implosion's Mini Normal Review

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Need to see rules. Need to see PMs.

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A player is still considered to have acted for the purpose of the motion detector even if their action fails (either because of the loyal modifier or because of the rolestoppers).
No daytalk for mafia or neighborhood (I'm very open to flipping this, though; it would make both the rolecop and the motion detector stronger).
Mafia can act and kill on the same night.
Rolecop gets full role name: Neighbor on the neighbor, Motion Detector Neighbor on it, Rolestopper on the rolestopper, 1slfn on the 1slfn. If the rolecop targets the backup rolestopper, then they get "rolestopper" if they've become an actual rolestopper, "backup rolestopper" otherwise. Kills resolve before investigations, so if they kill the rolestopper and investigate the backup, they will receive a result of "rolestopper."

1) I don't think thats normal for a Motion Detector.
2) Okay on daytalk or neighborhood. Maybe include that their isn't day talk without encryptor in one of the opening posts though?
3) Thats fine on the Rolecop targets.

I haven't thought about this on balance terms yet.

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I would say don't worry about town having too much power and buffing the scum. Just worry about what town has and seeing if that is okay before worrying about scum power.

Scum start out with more power than town.

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Yeah I think this game would be improved with a full Loyal Friendly Neighbor and a Weaker Rolecop on the scum team.
I don't think scum need a full role cop in this and I definitely think town doesn't have much power.

Motion Detector isn't very powerful.
Rolestopper is okay.
Loyal Friendly Neighbor can only basically confirm themselves as town and get semi clears on other town.

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Although i think it'd still make sense for them to see motion if they targeted the loyal friendly neighbor and the loyal friendly neighbor targeted mafia?

It's a bit ambiguous.

I don't know if theres any official wording on it, I always considered a role blocking type action preventing someone to act would prevent them actually doing ANYTHING, which means a tracker shouldn't see them perform anything, a watcher wouldn't see them visit their target, and a Motion Detector wouldn't see them doing anything.

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loyal friendly neighbor has the potential to get guilties as well; if they target mafia and the mafia doesn't act like they got the message, then they get a pseudo-guilty (they know that they either got a guilty or were roleblocked). I guess it is a bit more ambiguous as a guilty than I was giving it credit for since either the mafia could figure it out if they've already claimed, or they could claim there's a mafia roleblocker. I'm fine with making it full.

The logic behind the full rolecop is that it gives them a way to deal with the fact that the town will have a way to protect the loyal friendly neighbor for most of the game with two rolestoppers, and it empowers the motion detector to potentially get more useful information. I'm fine with limiting it (odd-night or 2-shot or something of the like) if there's a consensus thereof.

I see what you are saying here Implosion, with the reasoning behind this stuff. I don't know application wise it would work out that way? Most games the role cop either becomes redundant role for scum, so thats part of reason why I don't really mind it, but I also don't think scum need it at all.

As far as Loyal Friendly Neighbor, yes it will act as a Pseudo-guilty but if scum role cop it, plus if they claim early its unlikely that it will have much impact. I believe chances are low that it will have that kind of impact to the game as a quasi guilty.

I still think this needs a bit of adjustment in terms of roles.
Would like to hear mastina opinion.

I think town is a bit too weak for me to sign off on this right now.

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I think Town needs a little more or scum needs to do without rolecop.

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Bump bump.

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I guess thats fine?
Empking?

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lol

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I am fine with it like that then I guess:

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I was bothered by full role cop since I didn't think scum needed it, I don't think this is town sided or scum sided so I would say its reasonably balanced. Personally with the way town has been playing lately, Id say scum has higher chance of winning this, but who knows.

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Still

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