Umlaut's Micro Normal Review 2

[Nexus]

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------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Micro Queue (Players and Moderators)
Date: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:30 pm
From: Umlaut
To: Radja

Hi, Radja.

1. Yes, I'll be ready to run my game when it reaches the top of the list.
   
2. This is a 9-player game.
   
3. I don't have a backup or co-moderator.
   
4. Past modding experience: Open 661, Micro 691, Micro 695. Current commitments: modding Newbie 1790 and playing in two games.

I have a setup in mind and will PM it to you along with my opening posts, role PMs, etc., as soon as they're drafted, which should be in no less than 24 hours.

------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Micro Queue (Players and Moderators)
Date: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:52 pm
From: Umlaut
To: Radja

Here's the game information.

Setup

1x

Mafia Ninja

1x

Mafia Strongman

1x

Bulletproof Townie

1x

Town Cop

5x

Vanilla Townie

Mechanics

• Day start
  
• No daytalk
  
• Days last 12 real days; nights last 2 real days
  
• Quick night allowed by unanimous consent of living players
  
• The Bulletproof Townie can be endgamed

Post #0

Micro ###

S̴̴̸̴̷̷̡̢̢̛̱᷂̞͎͉̱͙̱͎̣̱̜͚̗̰͚̮̥̦̫͓̭̘̥̣͙̥̥̹͖̻̫̤̭͙᷿̭͍͕̙͕̣̝ͪ̄̃͌᷉̀̌̆̃̿͆̀̍͗ͬ͐̈́ͣ̂ͯ͗̽ͯ̑̐̌᷆̀᷉̔̑ͥ̇͐͐͊ͦ̏ͭ̿͂̏᷁͆̂̽ͩ̔᷄᷉᷄ͬ̾ͨ̆̒̇͆᷅̾ͦ᷈̕̕̚̕̚͜͢͝͠͝͞͡Y̸̸̨̛̛̝̞̝̲̯̗̻͖̞͍̹̖̬ͦ̔͒᷃̍᷇ͭ͂͌͆̋̍̾᷅͋̒᷆̑̕̕͏̸̨̢̡̨̢̧̛̛̛̤͖᷊̳̦̠̖̹͉͖̬̟̥͇͖᷂̱̺̦̤͉͖᷊᷂͎̰̞̠͛͊ͦ̐᷀̄͒̔̌̐᷃ͣ͊̍̓᷈ͤ̍̌̀᷆᷄ͦ᷅̃ͦ̍̊̋̊ͣ̔᷄̐ͣ̈̌͛̚̕̚̕͟͢͠͡͡͝͡͝Ş̷̶̸̨̛̛̛̛͈̙͙̬̻͍᷂͉̻̤̹̖̤͍᷊̘͈̬̹͙̫͈᷿͎̥̪̳̘̹̙̦̱̣᷿̭̖̹̗̰ͭ̑̆̾̊͆̃͐̿̏̑͐͆͒̒̾͛͑͆̇͛̐̔ͦ̈́᷉ͩ̏̔̀͑᷁᷅̈͐ͦͥͭ̅͌̇ͧ͂̊̌᷀ͮͬ̾͒̓͛ͤͤ̎᷾᷈͋͐̄̒̂͗̚̚̕͘̕͠͝ͅͅ͏̯̆ͮ̓̀᷇T̷̵̡̠̲̰̤͇̠̗̞̭̥͚̤̹͖̼̞᷿̟͎̟͖̜̻᷂̱͓̜̟̲̯̟͕͉̹̭̭̭͗ͣͮ̇᷅͑̂̊ͭ̄̅͐ͣ᷾ͪ᷉ͭͦ᷆̌᷄̌͛ͯ̎᷄᷃͐ͩ͟͜͞͞͡͞͡ͅ͏̴̵̨̧̛᷿͕̠̣̖̲̩͙᷿͖͙̦̩᷊͓̬̩̖̻ͩͤ̏᷁̉᷇ͯ͒᷉̏᷄̔̍͑̆̒̀ͮ̈́͜͜͡͞͠ͅE̸̵̵̢̡͖̬̳͓᷿͚͕ͥͭ̐͛̑̽ͪ᷄ͪ̌͂᷈̽̕͠ͅ͏̡̡͇̟͉̱͍̪̰͉̳̫͐͆̅ͮͧ͌ͪ͋᷈ͣ̕ͅ͏̷̸̷̷̵̷̸̢̡̡̗̟̰̼͕̱̤̼᷊͚͈᷿͈᷿͓᷂̩͓̠᷿̼᷂̮̼̱ͯͥ᷾̆̌̋ͯ̏̐̋ͥ̊ͧ̄̍̃͂᷉ͭ̄ͭ̀᷁̉̃̐̂̚͘͘͢͡ͅ͏᷀ͩ᷉͞Ṁ̸̴̨̢̡̧̛̛̛̛̛͖͍̫̰̮̫̜̞̹̩̥̙᷊̲̫͚͍̹͔͔͙̠̥̰̱̜̤᷿̗̬̮̰̲̜̠͍͎̝᷂᷊̫᷿̈́̊ͥͩ̔̀̈͗᷁᷇̃ͦ̒ͫ̓ͨ̇̂ͦ̐́̅ͥ̌͋ͫ͑᷀ͫͨͫͪ᷁͐̊̉ͮ̂᷄̂̊᷁᷄ͤ᷅̑̂ͬ̓ͨ̓ͩ᷀᷇᷄ͥ᷃ͩ̂̑̓᷉͘͘̕͘͢͜͟͟͜͢͠ Ȩ̸̵̷̨̨̛̞᷿̜̠̻̮̳͙̪̦̖͍͎͕̦̟͖̰͖͕̙̖̪̥̹͎̖͉̲᷊̬̺͍̦͚̖̪̥̓ͦͣ͊᷀ͭ͊ͦ᷀̏̍᷆̏̅̐ͨ᷀᷾̌̂͊̄᷁̌̈͒̾͊̓̅᷾̋͑͛͆ͭ̌͋᷆̾̋̉̃̾ͪ͋̾ͮ͐̐ͧ͌͌̂͛ͯ͂ͭͦ̇͊͐͑̃́ͬ̆̋ͧ̋̕̕͜͟͢͠͝͞͡͝ͅͅŘ̶̸̴̵̷̡̨̧̡̢̨̛̩̙᷂̟̣̭͖͈͇̰̱᷿̩᷂͚̙᷂̜᷿̠̯̙̣̟͇̗͎̭͙̥̝̝̬̘͇̯᷿᷿̐́ͦ᷾̊͛ͮͮ̽᷾͑ͣ᷉ͧ᷅᷉̾᷆͗̑᷾̊̿᷈᷆ͥ̌͆᷀᷁᷅ͯ͗ͮ̍̓̐᷄ͥͣ̀̔᷈ͪ᷉᷈̏̏͆᷄̅ͮ͋ͭ̇᷄̔͂ͦ᷀ͦͪ͐͛ͦ̕͘̚͢͢͟͞͝͠͠͞R̵̴̷̙̬͔̪̝̘̘͓̯͈̯̫͎͓̪̦̪͓̠̬̱̫̮̪̜̟̻̮͔̻̮͉᷂̤̯̣̠̥̫̹̰᷉̋̈͆̈́̑᷅̌͗ͮ᷀ͩ͋ͭ̆̊᷉̃̓̈́᷆͌͊᷄ͣ̌᷾ͥ᷾̔̃̅͑̉᷆᷾ͬ͊̊͂͒͋̒ͪ᷇ͮ͂͂̈́ͤ̿̓͗̃̓ͪ᷀̌᷃̇͆ͩ̚̕͘͘͢͝͝͏̸͕̘̬̜᷈͌̊̇̇᷾͞ͅȌ̶̸̴̸̡̳̳̘̙̺̥̻̝͕̗̰͓͚͙̗̟͈͕᷿̰͎᷊̩͕̤̱᷄͒͋᷆̇᷀ͮ͒͊᷃́͊̓ͦ̃̇̾̈̌ͣͯ̑̒ͭ᷉ͮ͘̚͝͠͡͏̶̧̢̨̧͖̼̣᷿̘̫̯͉̫̠̳̙̭̯̳̙͕͇̳̗͕̠̎ͤ͗̆᷈̀᷈᷆̏ͩͣ᷇ͦ͋̌ͭ᷀̐̅͐̐̓̏͂᷇̇̅͐̑͘͢͟͟͡͝ͅR̸̵̷̷̢̨̡̧̨̧̛̞̟̠̲̙̳̭̦͎̙̹͖͎᷂̬̮᷊͈̘͚̘̞͈̦̜̩̦̳̟̗̬̳͍᷂̤͚͍͕̊᷇͆́ͤ͛͛̿̂ͥͪ᷇ͩ͆᷄̏̌̈́ͯ͆ͯ̃̂᷄̄̇᷈̄͆̔͑͊᷉͛̔̄̒᷀᷀̂́̐̐͛̒̆ͪ͗̽᷉ͥ᷁̌᷁ͦ̆ͥ̓̈̔͋ͯ̓́᷇᷃̑̕̚͘͢͟͜͟͡͡͠ͅ

Spoiler: /ͦe᷅t͕c̓/̐p͡a͑s̘s̢w͉d̺

(Player list)

User	Status
Player 1	Awaiting confirmation
Player 2	Awaiting confirmation
Player 3	Awaiting confirmation
Player 4	Awaiting confirmation
Player 5	Awaiting confirmation
Player 6	Awaiting confirmation
Player 7	Awaiting confirmation
Player 8	Awaiting confirmation
Player 9	Awaiting confirmation

Spoiler: /̝v̾a͠r̋/᷉l̒oͯg᷾

(game links)

Spoiler: /̌b͇i̝n̷/̘v̨c̷

(auto VC settings)

Living Players

Player 1
Player 2
Player 3
Player 4
Player 5
Player 6
Player 7
Player 8
Player 9

Links

Day 1: Post ##

Deadline

0000-00-00 00:00:00 0.00

Post #1

R̵̩͇̜̬̖͚͖̺U̵̶̙͖̲̬͚̯L̶̙̖̘̕E̗̹͢͢͝S̛͢͏̙̲̖̲̗

None of these rules supercede or contradict the Forum Rules and Guidelines, all of which are in full force.

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Conduct

• Don't use
  orange
  , it's my color.
  
  
• Play to win.
  
  
• Don't discuss the game outside of the game until the moderator says it's over.
  
  
• Don't flame. Don't harass. Don't use insults that target minority or disadvantaged classes.
  
  
• Keep interpersonal disputes out of the game thread.
  
  
• Don't quote or misquote private communications from the moderator.
  
  
• Don't use encryption, tiny/hidden/unreadable text, or anything that could be easily confused for such. (For this game, "glitch text" is explicitly permitted, but hiding information via combining characters is not.)
  
  
• All replacement requests will be taken as serious, irrevocable, and immediate. Once you request replacement you are no longer a player.
  
  
• Don't game the rules, pretend to break the rules, or intentionally test the limits. All pretended violations will be dealt with identically to actual violations.
  
  
• Don't break the rules of any other ongoing game in this thread.
  
  
• Don't argue moderator actions in the game thread. If you want to dispute a ruling, do so via PM.

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Voting, abilities, and deadlines

Day

• Days begin with a deadline of
  12 days
  .
  
  
• Days end when one of the following events occurs:
  • The deadline is reached.
    
  • A lynch (or no-lynch) is achieved.
    
  • A town-aligned player is modkilled.
• Votes should be made via the vote tag: "[vote]<playername>[/vote]" or "[v]<playername>[/v]". Full player names or initial segments thereof are preferred.
  
  
• When more than half of living players are voting for the same player, that player will be lynched and the day will end. Votes are irrevocable once a majority is achieved.
  
  
• You may vote not to lynch by voting for "No lynch". When half or more of living players do so, the day will end without a lynch.
  
  
• If the day reaches deadline without a majority, there will be no lynch.
  
  
• I will interpret malformed votes according to my own discretion. In general, if it looks like a vote, I will probably count it as a vote. I reserve the right to edit malformed votes for easier counting.
  
  
• When a majority vote has been achieved but not yet recognized by the moderator, the game is in
  twilight.
  Players, including the lynchee, may continue to post during this period.
  
  
• Under certain circumstances I may elect to extend the deadline. I will announce this in thread if it occurs.

Night

• Nights will last
  48 hours
  or until all living players give me their approval to end the night early.
  
  
• During the night, you should be unable to post in the public game thread. If for some reason you are able, doing so is still against the rules.
  
  
• Mafia night abilities should be submitted in the Mafia's private thread. Factional kills must specify which mafioso carries out the kill.
  
  
• Town night abilities should be submitted via PM.
  
  
• Use of active night abilities is optional; if no action is submitted, no action will occur.

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Activity requirements

• Players who do not confirm within
  48 hours
  of receiving their role PM will be replaced.
  
  
• Players who do not post for
  48 hours
  in a single game-day will incur a prod.
  
  
• Players who do not post for
  24 hours
  following a prod will be replaced.
  
  
• Players who incur three prods will be replaced.
  
  
• At my discretion, excessive "prod-dodging" may result in a mod warning and subsequently in disregard of future dodges.
  
  
• If for any reason you are temporarily unable to meet these requirements, you may declare V/LA status
  in thread
  and be excused. V/LA declarations must include a definite end date.
  
  
• Notwithstanding V/LA status, any player who does not post at all for
  7 days
  of consecutive day time will be replaced.
  
  
• These are minimal requirements, not recommendations; please keep the game active.

Post #2

S̛̠̠̺̙̟͜E̶̹̠̹̟̫̜̲̯̕Ţ̴̯͖͔̮̗̰ͅU̳͉͇̥͞P̹͖̗̗̭

• This is a normal game with two factions:
  Town
  and
  Mafia
  .
  
• This game uses a day start.
  
• This game does not have daytalk.
  
• All Town-aligned players have the following win condition:

  You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

• All Mafia-aligned players have the following win condition:

  You win when half or more of living players are Mafia.

• One or more players will receive the following role PM:
  Spoiler: Vanilla Townie Role PM

  W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

  
  
  You are a

  Vanilla Townie

  .
  
  

  Abilities

  
  You have no special abilities.
  
  

  Win Condition

  
  You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.
  
  

  Links

  
  Game thread
  
  

  Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Spoiler: All role PMs

Vanilla Townie

W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Bulletproof Townie

W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

You are a

Bulletproof Townie

.

Abilities

You are protected from being killed by means other than lynching.

(You can be endgamed.)

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Town Cop

W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

You are a

Town Cop

.

Abilities

Every night you may investigate one player. At dawn you will learn whether that player is

innocent

(Town-aligned) or

guilty

(Mafia-aligned).

Win Condition

You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.

Links

Game thread

Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Mafia Ninja

W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

You are a

Mafia Ninja

.

Your partner is [redacted], a

Mafia Strongman

.

Abilities

You and your partner may talk in your private thread during the pregame and night phases.
Your faction may kill one player each night. You must specify which of you carries out the kill.
If you carry out the factional kill, it cannot be witnessed by investigative actions.[/list]

Win Condition

You win when half or more of living players are Mafia.

Links

Game thread
Mafia PT

Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Mafia Strongman

W̷̨̳̖̯̮͙̪E̵̗̮L̛̝̣̝͎͚̖̫̩̗̀͟C̦̬̥͚͎̹͕̀O҉̶͎͕M̢͚̟̯͇̀E̶̺̻̬̝̕

You are a

Mafia Strongman

.

Your partner is [redacted], a

Mafia Ninja

.

Abilities

You and your partner may talk in your private thread during the pregame and night phases.
Your faction may kill one player each night. You must specify which of you carries out the kill.
If you carry out the factional kill, it cannot be prevented by protective or blocking effects.[/list]

Win Condition

You win when half or more of living players are Mafia.

Links

Game thread
Mafia PT

Please confirm your participation within 48 hours by replying to this PM with your alignment and role. You may not post until you have done so.

Spoiler: Result PMs

Cop guilty

You find that #NAME is

guilty

.

Cop innocent

You find that #NAME is

innocent

.

[Nexus]

i think scum is too strong - get rid of the strongman and i think i'd be happier.

[Umlaut]

If I got rid of the strongman I'd have a cop and a

completely bulletproof

townie with no counterweight at all. Is that really balanced?

My thought process was

• A cop alone is close to balanced but a bit scumsided,
  
• but
  adding a bulletproof townie is too much and makes it townsided,
  
• but
  adding a strongman weakens the BP too much since scum will just use it every night,
  
• but
  adding a useless ninja fakes scum out of doing that, so is hopefully balanced.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not a fan of balancing around ninja/strongman since there's no informed decision being made, sort of just random chance.

[Umlaut]

Any comment from Empking?

[Empking]

I like the gsg of Ninja/Strongman personally. Particularly in a Micro. I think I'd pass it as is.

[Umlaut]

RC, putting aside whether you like that method of balance, do you think the game is in fact balanced?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am still thinking about that.

[Nexus]

RC pls

[RadiantCowbells]

If everyone else passes it I'll pass it but I don't like it.

[RadiantCowbells]

To be honest it's probably slightly scum sided anyway. if strongman busses the ninja and claims tracker that's pretty much game. the bulletproof isn't going to absorb two shots.

[Umlaut]

I mean, Nexus hasn't passed it as-is.

I can try and townside it more but I'm not sure how to do that without going back to the drawing board altogether.

[Umlaut]

To be honest it's probably slightly scum sided anyway. if strongman busses the ninja and claims tracker that's pretty much game. the bulletproof isn't going to absorb two shots.

Only if strongman guesses there isn't an actual tracker

[Nexus]

Strongman + Ninja v Cop + A.N. Powerrole that isn't a BP might be nice

[Umlaut]

Would a doctor with the ability to self-target be overpowered as a replacement for the BP, and if not would it be acceptable as the one non-normal role?

If not, what would work? I'd like at least one of the Ninja or Strongman roles to actually be useful.

[Umlaut]

Wait, that's possibly worse because there's a better chance it's killed early.

[RadiantCowbells]

that would get really nasty if strongman is lynched early

[Umlaut]

Yeah, too swingy... well, what is more powerful than a BP but countered by a strongman? Just a normal doctor?

I feel like if I were mafia I would want use the ninja until I had a specific reason to think a kill would be blocked. Also the ninja might make mafia paranoid about strongmanning obvious kills, e.g. claimed cop, in case there's a watcher.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wouldn't be okay with JK/Roleblocker because of the potential for false clears with 1 scum dead.

I really don't like this setup.

[Empking]

I prefer the tricked role to be passive. There's no real cause for complain then, as there is where you track the killer but the killer's an always-ninja.

[Umlaut]

I can just withdraw the setup, if no one can agree on whether it's balanced or whether any possible change to it is better or worse than what it is now?

[Nexus]

Why not a Bodyguard as the second PR?

[Empking]

I'd pass with a bodyguard.

[Umlaut]

I guess I can do it with a bodyguard, but can someone explain how that's balanced while a BP is scumsided?

[Nexus]

Bodyguard is still a death whereas a BP is not.