Geriatric Players Club

[Kublai Khan]

whose house?

korts' house

Hey rofl!

[Kublai Khan]

I'd like to mod a large theme under the geriatric rules (probably 15ish players)

Give me a heads up?

[Kublai Khan]

MoI~!

[Kublai Khan]

I mean is the solution to just policy lynch all lurkers? That doesn't seem much better

Post or Perish

[Kublai Khan]

if you did that, more policies would go through. nobody is going to policy lynch for one game. it's only beneficial if it's a recurring theme, which it isn't.

Well, the overall problem is that pushing for policy lynches is viewed as a scummy move. Policy lynches tend to always be on town because mafia know who is who and can push policy lynches to achieve their win condition without raising suspicion.

To fix this there needs to be an out of game punishment. If someone is town and they prod-dodge and lurk all game then they should be considered to be "not playing towards their win condition" and get some sort of meta punishment if it's continuous.

[Kublai Khan]

The current meta is very vulnerable to prod dodging lurking.

An easy solution to this is to have a rule preventing prod dodges from resetting the prod meter. A game being geriatric should be no excuse to go two/three days without posting. Quite the opposite, in fact; you only have ten posts per day so if you don't use them, you lose them. Geriatric games don't need to require you to post literally every day, but they do require you to actually post at a reasonable rate.

This has ALWAYS been the case even back in the day. If you didn't post every day, that was okay. But if you made it a habit to basically semi-intentionally only post as infrequently as you could get away with...no shit you weren't gonna do well. This was true back then, and is still true now in every game, even geriatric ones. You need to post to win. Geriatric games just afford a more "reasonable" posting rate.

Geriatric games just address one of the excuses of prod-dodgers ("There's so many new pages, I can't keep up") and eliminates it.

[Kublai Khan]

added to the player list in OP.

I'd like to be added as well.

[Kublai Khan]

if you did that, more policies would go through. nobody is going to policy lynch for one game. it's only beneficial if it's a recurring theme, which it isn't.

Well, the overall problem is that pushing for policy lynches is viewed as a scummy move. Policy lynches tend to always be on town because mafia know who is who and can push policy lynches to achieve their win condition without raising suspicion.

To fix this there needs to be an out of game punishment. If someone is town and they prod-dodge and lurk all game then they should be considered to be "not playing towards their win condition" and get some sort of meta punishment if it's continuous.

issue is that lurking as scum is absolutely playing to your wincon

Well yeah. I was thinking more after the game where fellow players (and even the mod) can say "Hey, this town player lurked all game and hurt his win condition" and list mods punish off that.

[Kublai Khan]

i would argue then that the geriatric ruleset is pro-town if and only if the playerlist is normally active

i think the ruleset was definitely helpful to town in Aeronaut's game, since there was less material to get overwhelmed by, but all players were still producing genuine content to the point where it was easy to get reads

it is not, however, helpful if used as an excuse to only post once every 2 days

and i think geriatric games have the unfortunate potential to draw a crowd of lurkers or people who just don't have time to play mafia

Reviving this due to Reck's game which had town completely steamrolled.

Sample size = 1

Time for conclusions!

[Kublai Khan]

So sample size is three.

Time for conclusions!

[Kublai Khan]

Okay, so instead of tearing shit down, what's your take?

New metas have to emerge to deal with the new ruleset. It takes time.

Those who were scum correctly learned to target active players. When they are town next, they will not be passive.

People that are inactive and refuse to change should be blacklisted.

These things take time. Longer than 3 games.

[Kublai Khan]

the issue seems to be people signing up for geriatric games who have no intention of staying active

Do you realize the irony of this

The very POINT of this is to create a haven for people that aren't active and can now lurk without consequences or repercussions.

(right)

If it's not, if you look at it pragmatically that's gonna be the result

Unless you have the PERFECT playerlist of people that don't post a lot, but are extremely active

I would say the problem of lurking is exacerbated by the ruleset.

True. Non-geriatric games don't have the lurker/flaker problem.

[Kublai Khan]

Mulch has been asked a half dozen times to go away from this thread for being an asshole. It's so weird that his views aren't being welcomed. It's such a mystery. Gosh. So much mystery.

[Kublai Khan]

Maybe at the start, those players are joining because they're busy but think that they would be able to handle a geriatric game. Hopefully over time and after more geriatric games are run, they will be able to understand their limits and only sign up if they actually do have enough time to play.

Probably the best analysis done given the available information.

People without much time get excited to play mafia again and sign up for a game that promises not to have ridiculous 200+ pages of spam.
Sign up, but find out that they had less time to play than they originally figured. Self-correcting problem and serial flakes will be identified.

Instead of tracking wins/losses (like lol who cares?), we should be tracking if geriatric games have more/less overall instances of flaking and whether they encourage a greater diversity of players.