Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Donempire]

Whats cooking ay

[Donempire]

do we shitpost or random vote

[Donempire]

now you're pandering to bears. how low can you sink?
VOTE: Chickadee

[Donempire]

by the way, one me isnt enough to win the game, so dont die. ask mm on advice if need be.

[Donempire]

mario is a spy

[Donempire]

So since no ones doing anything productive...
Anyone know how to pass those fucking goddamned awful flight missions in san andreas?

[Donempire]

Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

[Donempire]

I'm not going to paraphrase, but i asked what the deal with the colours was.

[Donempire]

The role PM's said to confirm what your color was so it's not like it was hidden that there even were colors.
Plus Empire even confirmed that anyone could ask the mod what the colors were.
It's basically just a completely pointless argument and doesn't confirm you as Town BTD.

But what I will say about this argument is that I'm a bit curious as to why Empire would claim to have been town asking about what color the scum got because town basically get nothing for asking the mod about the Mafia's colors and the Mafia gain from being able to potentially do what BTD just did.
Along with the fact Empire used the fact that he asked the mod before the game what the scum's color was as the reason for voting against BTD doesn't really make me think him as town.

I didnt ask for scums colours, as i said, i asked what the deal with THE colours was. Themed game or something, and then i got the scums colors indirectly. I was saying its as easy to do this as scum as it was for me.
And why
shouldnt i vote bullshit anymore? just when im sure someone is scum? %101?
ok

[Donempire]

Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

Why do you suggest what I did is more likely to be done by scum than by Town? Do you have statistics to back it up? It's a lot more likely for Town to see their own colour than for scum to deliberately plan a gambit.

where would i get statistics for that

[Donempire]

Wait wait
did you tell everyone who asked or did you just tell mafia outright?
cause if its the latter THAT conftowns btd

[Donempire]

Alright. Even though BTD's logic is still bullshit, and his response was sketchy, i cant base my whole argument on him throwing a gambit like that as scum.

Time to find another unholy victim.

UNVOTE:

[Donempire]

I don't understand what you're saying.

You accused me of complaining.

Complaining means to express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event. Where exactly did you see me expressing that in the post you linked?

Hey. Stop beating around the bush mate. Not everything has to be their exact same definition as in the dictionary. Even if you werent complaining there, i dont see the reason for you to drag this out for so long.

[Donempire]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

[Donempire]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

[Donempire]

Im going on a field trip for a day with friends so i wont be able to post much. Ill try to read the new posts when i have time.

[Donempire]

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

Huh. Then i dont have a point to make. I'll think about this but im really confused on what to make of the LUV situation now.

[Donempire]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

I have to disagree with that tbh. That question can come from anybody, even from scum.

He's null at best.

Theres never just one reason to read someone.

[Donempire]

For fucks sake though QR, you are the root of the problem. My stance on you is taking a dive as we speak. Either stop fucking around with "i dunno what to make of anything" without referencing anything, or just dont post at all.

You know what, im not voting anyone. I realize i was just townreading you but if you say nothing is happening in this game, its not an option to sit back and watch.
VOTE: QuantumRadius

[Donempire]

L1 them

</3 do I really have to hardclaim for you

In a game that only has vanilla townie and mafia members, why does this post exist?

Nice 180 too IO.

So QR, you're saying you waited around doing nothing just to luck out and have people vote you just in lieu of a reaction test? Or am i understanding it wrong?

[Donempire]

Spoiler: IO

UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

I was. I thought it was a joke to want to lynch someone on not having reads 2 days into day 1.

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

Contradiction one. Lets analyze this one by one, shall we?

First she says that she isnt comfortable having someone at L-2 for a RVS. Fair point. If it was true. She already mentioned that she didnt realize we were out of RVS, but it should have been obvious to anyone keeping up with the game, and if not the game, the damned post count. No game of this caliber has a rvs that lasts until post 280.

Why is this post important? Because she is intentionally trying to steer herself away from any unforeseen consequences (the possible "lolhammer" that will never happen in a L-2). If she really cared about pushing the game forward, she'd have put her foot down and pushed QR harder till he squeezed. Instead she just backs off, saying "isnt it rvs" when its pretty clear by all means it isnt.

And again, her second post proves that she isnt keeping up with the game, with her mindless push on LUV for a post that was posted at least a few pages before that, and now the 2 days comment. I just isod her and she keeps coming back. We just dont notice it all that much because she really doesnt have anything productive to say. Shes just passing by to vote, or throw shade, without following the game.

I think post #163 should've been a clear indicator we were out of RVS, but she still brings it up as a reason to not vote someone, even though she was just voting lil uzi. Whatever.

And then in her last post, he just outright votes QR without any plan on what to do next, with her reasoning being "there isnt much to lose" and "he probably wont be that usefull late game" which is just bullshit coming from someone who wasnt even confident in putting someone in L-2 10 posts ago.

Why is this noteworthy? Because if she was town, she wouldnt be trying to lynch QR instantly, instead trying to squeeze him for information as i said. In her case, she isnt giving QR any room for defense, and is just trying to get an easy lynch in. If we lynch QR now, we will get literally no information out of him apart from his few reads, which is exactly what mafia wants. Exactly what IO wants.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Io

I'm going to play some age of empires, then i'll come and explain her second contradiction.

[Donempire]

For fucks sake.

I feel like i have to answer io now, but theres stuff i havent thought much about, and then electricity cuts off for 4 hours.

w8

[Donempire]

Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

[Donempire]

@BTD
RVS was over when we were analysing the color thing. I've said that before. People were starting to use their brains by that point instead of just their hands, which is enough for me.

Lolhammer cant happen in L-2. Unless he is a king of some sort, which this game doesnt have.

This whole case is just IO pleading human error on everything.

[Donempire]

Spoiler: wall of text

Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

Well, that's rather hostile for no reason.

I know that's kinda your thing, but still.

I guess i was just salty the internet cut off. Sorry about that.

You're still doing fuck all for us though.

[Donempire]

VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

That isnt even the main point of my argument.

Maybe im explaining it wrong. Who the fuck knows, since im an "angery player".

I keep pushing you for the RVS because you keep pleading human error in a part where its less likely human error and more likely to divert yourself from oncoming accusations. Thats why, not just because you didnt know it was RVS. If it was just human error with no clear motive, why the fuck would i push you on that front?

And im also suspicious because you keep using the word "lynch" rather than "push" when theres not enough concrete evidence. Lynch QR, lynch him, lynch her, lynch the mod, but never the word push. Thats why im also suspicious of you.

And with isoing as i said its easier to find easy places to push, but you're less likely to find information, especially in day 1, since there arent even any flips yet. For that reason if you're town you isoing borders on useless, and if you're scum you're going for an easy lynch.

1- I read ISO's because it's the fastest way to find out if someone is at a glance being townie or scummy.
2 - And honestly what you described in that 3rd paragraph is pretty much what I call RVS. It's rather pointless arguing over what post RVS stops at though, but voting someone to get them to L-2 or L-1 (Which MM4 was pushing for to happen) to get information is RVS.

1 - On later days, when there are associations to be made. Right now theres nothing unless you stretch it. Which you seemingly will, with ease.
2 - RVS/=/ Random Voting, the latter they were doing to get information, as you said.

Why the fuck wouldnt you want to get information again?

And yes, i am confident if you are scum i'll be able to make associations. Thats why i was wondering if there was a mafia daychat. I dont care if it pings your suspicions, there are only 4 days left and if i cant reunite the town in that time we'll probably be left to lynch the lowest hanging fruit, which will leave us again with nothing.

[Donempire]

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

[Donempire]

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

OK, so if that's the case then go ahead and prove it please. Because when I look through the ISO the instances I see of me saying lynched are valid reasons for the word and just make as much if not more sense than saying pushed. I'm so confident with this that I can guarantee that you could not take quotes to even make this point viable without the same insane stretching that you've been doing this whole game.
Seriously you can grab any 3 quotes from me you like and prove that it was completely unnecessary to say lynched and pushed would have worked better to describe what I was saying.
This entire point of yours is basically degrading to you don't like my word choice which is frankly just a stupid accusation to begin with.

And there's not been any cherrypicking.
I don't see why if you're town you feel the need to lie so much about what I've said and give these halfassed weak pushes.
I've yet to see a single valuable piece of criticism come out of your mouth this whole game.

theres cherrypicking mate, you took only one line of about ten line response to your bullshittery, is that not cherrypicking
mm spicy, time to respond to your uses of "lynch" because apparently we dont have anything better to do because this will fucking end like everything else i play, i'll be right, no scum will be lynch UNTIL i die so i cant get credit for it. COOL.

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

She's talking about lynching Quantum when she should be only pushing him in this stage with no information.

I was. I thought it was a joke to want to lynch someone on not having reads 2 days into day 1.

Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

Honestly it is reaching into policy lynch territory, but frankly you made yourself such a valuable asset to the Mafia if you are town it could be fatal if you lived to the final 5 or 6.

And honestly if you're coming out and saying that you were faking being a VI, then you're gambit was pretty reckless as if you actually failed you would liekly have been lynched due to the lynch all liars mentality for faking to be a VI.

lynch lynch lynch, and also talking about a POLICY LYNCH in day 1, and you're saying you're thinking about day 5 or 6 but you're not even thinking about day 2, where we'll be left with no information if we'd lynched him.

Post 316 quote:
"My vote was just a joke as well, so when you took him to L-2 trying to seriously lynch him I grew concerned and wanted to get off."
The infamous post. We werent trying to lynch him, we were pushing him to get information. Your use of the word definetely hints at a more opportunistic vote though.

[Donempire]

Like seriously empire if you thought I was scum why are you making mountains out of mole hills to look for an excuse to vote me.
You're the only one who is actively looking for an excuse to vote me. Everyone else at least can come up with a valid reason to vote (be it just a gut like LUV or a reaction test like QR and Chick (which I don't even agree with but whatever that's a rant for another day))without making excuses like you are.

looking for an excuse?
im out. im done circlejerking. time to take my head off the ground so the town will listen to me as you get away. fuck this game

[Donempire]

Spoiler:

Can confirm I'm vanilla scum

woooooooooow
that might actually be a slip

This is some really scummy shit right here.

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I personally don't really get any use out of RVS until after some scums die and we can get associations, so really I've just been watching people's posting patterns moreso than who's actually being voted.

With that being said I frankly see nothing wrong with either of you two, QR's RV has a reasonable explanation, and you're at least going for trying to get discussion and stuff going and considering Mafia thrive in inactive town's I say that's at least good enough for you to not be of immediate concern to me.

I'd like for the memes to sort of die down soon though, because there's no way to read someone who is just meming about. Part of the reason I put my RV on empire because he's just a meme.

In that case I am vey interested to see what you come up with! ja?

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

lmao this is a town post from BTD.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

This is some scummy shit right here.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I feel fine adding you to my scum pile for now. Though, I can see where you could be looking out for town.

Not bottom tier scum, but like, I'll get a lot of info on you from a flip.

This is some towny shit right here.

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Sorry, I never got the PM that this was starting.

I'm going to read the game now.

tbh
why am I not surprised.

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Bruh how the fuck do people even eat popcorn that fucking fast.

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

There was no flavour in the roles, there are only VTs and MGs, also I told everyone that the blue team existed.

Bruh you fucked up.

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why has nobody asked the obvious question
@

mod what are the team colors

It's Red (scum) vs Blue (town).

This should never been a thing in the first place.

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No one is confirmed and the mod is a good guy.

Let's all go back to actually playing mafia

Okay, at this point I thought this could also be some really scummy shit right here. Did you agree or disagree with the theory of BTD being town based off of that post?

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Alright. Even though BTD's logic is still bullshit, and his response was sketchy, i cant base my whole argument on him throwing a gambit like that as scum.

Time to find another unholy victim.

UNVOTE:

This is still some scummy shit btw.

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VOTE: Chickadee

If I trust you and think you're town I'll look into this some more.

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VOTE: Chickadee

Do you do anything other than fluff and vote?

Okay, why are you asking LUV this opposed to just everyone else. Because I am seeing other people do this exact same thing.

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You're saying that no one is playing the game.
That's the definition of a complaint.

No, its not. Nothing in that statement implies I'm unsatisifed with the situation.

It does, but whatever, you're rather pointless to argue with since you can't even notice a blatant contradiction like you posting fluff while complaining about no one playing the game.
And you still miss the point entirely that you've posted nothing but fluff until I called you out on it, and all you've done since then is try to detract from my accusation that you've only posted fluff by saying I'm scum for pointing out you're contradictions.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

i was just going to leave it at that, because you could just be ignorant, but I realized typing that last sentence that you are just trying to avoid my accusation and beat around the bush to try and turn my accusation into a reason I am scum.

tbh, I feel like this is PURE OMGUS except it's just has some sprinkles on it to make it seem like it isn't.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

I will gladly powerlynch you.

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OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

Yeah except I feel like other people are fluffing and you going for LUV for fluffing makes me draw questionmarks.

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Maybe all the ladies rolled scum this game

Io and LUV seems town on town to me.

The post that started that whole thing, LUV saying let's get back to playing, was not pointless as Io pointed out. I can see how it'd be taken that way, but everyone came in harping about a day start PM, when it was obvious (at least to me) that there wasn't one. It was a distraction to the game.

Thinking about it now, I'm going to go back and take note of that whole thing, for reasons.

This can be a scum!Chick post tbh.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

lol.

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Wait wait
did you tell everyone who asked or did you just tell mafia outright?
cause if its the latter THAT conftowns btd

Considering the blue claim was an abuse of human error I will not further comment in any way on this matter so as not to conftown or confscum anyone.

Stop.
Commenting.
On.
This.
This post should have never been made.

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VOTE: QuantumRadius
blatant opportunism

Okay, maybe MM4 can be town.

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UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

Okay, your Io interactions are making me think TvS, except I'm trying to figure out which one is which at this point.

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i dislike io wagon because occam's razor is a thing
it's more likely io just has a cold and calculating playstyle than scum using a claim to be a VI to elaborately jump on the wagon than to jump on for the scummy things QR has done.
also the wagon composition is pretty horrible.

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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VC 1.7

Io (L-2) - Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire, Kop, Chickadee
QuantumRadius (L-6) - MarioManiac4
Lil Uzi Vert (L-6) - Sesq

Spawn Campers (5) - Flairs, ex-Assemblerotws, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Io, ex-taiho

Assemblerotws is due to be kicked for being AFK for too long (boo).

taiho has left the game

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

Also me voting someone with a valid reason is not hypocritical as I said I wan't going to lynch someone or let them get lynched in RVS. And voting someone with a valid reason is the exact opposite of RVS.

But if you yourself had a valid reason to vote why were you so scared of a lolhammer?

VOTE: Io

I almost freaked the fuck out and would haved deathtunneled you out of pure fucking anger for this.
I mean 90% of the time this comes from town but still.
Give the fucking replacements a chance to come up with content.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

You are still scum.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

It's not, but why are you sounding shocked if you were so confident I'm scum?

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

Scumposting right here.

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VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

Okay this is better thank you

gee, no wonder you townread IO.

[Donempire]

Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

He couldn't produce reads early, and then when he did they seemed exaggerated. But when I looked at his town game he had similar trouble starting up and votes seemed weird there too.

I wouldn't put him town either, but there is a realistic chance he may be VI.

I produce reads early but i dont say them until im pretty sure of them and also sure that at least some good can come out of me saying those. Thats why i held out on just shitting out readlists.

[Donempire]

Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

LOL THESE TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME THING man what the fuck are you on about.

Its not you drooler. Pushing someone is to get information, trying to lynch him is scumgame.

[Donempire]

You know what? im fucking done. I thought i'd play a proper game in open games after newbie games being easy but in here everyone seems to do fuckall, and lynch a townie that did nothing but scumhunted the entire game, then ignore his entire case and "lynch that scumfuck XD"
I just got my "whole carreer ended" by A2 apparently, which is obviously bullshit, but i couldnt be bothered to do it after the IO disaster and everyones lack of thinking capacity in this game.
You know what? Lynch me. And this idiot is also hopping on the wagon, so after im dead you can see the bullshit in their posts for a mere fucking second and lynch them. Then we'll win. Then i'll stop throwing a hissyfit and boast on about one scum i got lynched after smillion scumreads that were correct.
You are lynching me today, IO tomorrow, A2 later. I dont want to hear one complaint, or telling the scum "lol you played good XD" after game after you didnt follow what i said. Cause if you dont, thats what will fucking happen. Time and time again.
VOTE: Dongempire

inb4 just a game.

[Donempire]

Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

LOL THESE TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME THING man what the fuck are you on about.

Its not you drooler. Pushing someone is to get information, trying to lynch him is scumgame.

No it isn't.
When you push someone you're trying to lynch them. That's what pushing scum is.
It's like comparing the words A and AN its the same fucking thing.

a and an serve the same purpose. pushing someone for information and trying to lynch someone you think is already scum or you see as mislynchable dont.
its like talking to a brick wall.

[Donempire]

You're voting me or you're admitting 447 is bullshit. Or we're lynching you. Have it your way.

[Donempire]

I have a wincondition and i will achieve it tomorrow, when everyone sees how much of a bullshitter you two are.

[Donempire]

funny

[Donempire]

A2 is trying to disrupt the town. Lynch io already, so we can get on with the game.
VOTE: IO

[Donempire]

VOTE: dongempire
Come on mario, we have time to think too. You're not really going to lynch sesq, are you?

[Donempire]

You found two scum. You have to get the town to lynch them or you'll lose and your team will be ridiculed and everyone will say "LOL YOU PLAYED GOOD XD" post-game.
The only way to attract their attention is to vote yourself or they'll just fuck around throwing random votes. But if you vote yourself you'll be tagged as VI and will never be regarded as logical.
What do you do, mario?
Of course, you shitpost. But if you dont shitpost and lose and postgame say "lol universal townread git gud", THEN what do you do?

[Donempire]

first thing i do is reconsider my reads and realise there's a probability they are wrong
if i'm right and people don't let me take credit for it postgame i'd just be like "ok well that's kinda dickish" but i haven't seen anything of the sort happen ever

i think taking credit itself is kinda dickish, so i just stick on getting things done.
Read my io summary again, now that there are replacements there should be some time to do it.

[Donempire]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p9407524
and
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p9402059

[Donempire]

See? Getting some reactions is fine and dandy and its much better than sitting around voting Io.

LUV scum, Jimmy town.
I'll touch more on this later, right now im going to focus on the task at hand.
VOTE: IO

[Donempire]

Mario isnt scum by the way, he'd have slipped some point by now.

[Donempire]

Mario isnt scum by the way, he'd have slipped some point by now.

http://www.britishburnassociation.org/burns-units

Sike, im not from UK.

[Donempire]

UNVOTE:

Io may have just changed my mind. Reading that post by dongempire really bothered me and it makes me think his so called "drama explosion" was just some act.

And we're back at square one! Isnt this exciting?

[Donempire]

anybody wanna play age of empires 2?

[Donempire]

Hows the IO lynch going?

Oh. I see.

[Donempire]

Hows the IO lynch going?

Oh. I see.

[Donempire]

edgy

[Donempire]

thank you based mario

the yawns this game caused is astronomical.