Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[A2]

A2 replaces Assemblerotws, Steel replaces taiho (awaiting role PM confirmation).

Don't even fucking wait next time just announce the replacement.
Whatever, catching up later.

Also Sesq, LUV, Chick I'm no keeping this alt secret anymore so...

[A2]

Can confirm I'm vanilla scum

woooooooooow
that might actually be a slip

This is some really scummy shit right here.

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I personally don't really get any use out of RVS until after some scums die and we can get associations, so really I've just been watching people's posting patterns moreso than who's actually being voted.

With that being said I frankly see nothing wrong with either of you two, QR's RV has a reasonable explanation, and you're at least going for trying to get discussion and stuff going and considering Mafia thrive in inactive town's I say that's at least good enough for you to not be of immediate concern to me.

I'd like for the memes to sort of die down soon though, because there's no way to read someone who is just meming about. Part of the reason I put my RV on empire because he's just a meme.

In that case I am vey interested to see what you come up with! ja?

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

lmao this is a town post from BTD.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

This is some scummy shit right here.

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Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I feel fine adding you to my scum pile for now. Though, I can see where you could be looking out for town.

Not bottom tier scum, but like, I'll get a lot of info on you from a flip.

This is some towny shit right here.

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Sorry, I never got the PM that this was starting.

I'm going to read the game now.

tbh
why am I not surprised.

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Bruh how the fuck do people even eat popcorn that fucking fast.

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I forgot about this game because I didn't receive any link or Day Start message.

So far, there's not much content here, apart from the N0 Global Neapolitan fakeclaims.

The Mod messed up in one respect. Sample Role PMs were not provided. Thus, I can claim my team (which is paraphrasing, not quoting):

I am on the blue team.

As sample Role PMs were not provided and there was flavour in Role PMs, this should essentially confirm me as Town, particularly as it is generally common for Town to be green and scum red. In Opens, I don't think scum are ever given fakeclaims.

There was no flavour in the roles, there are only VTs and MGs, also I told everyone that the blue team existed.

Bruh you fucked up.

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why has nobody asked the obvious question
@

mod what are the team colors

It's Red (scum) vs Blue (town).

This should never been a thing in the first place.

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No one is confirmed and the mod is a good guy.

Let's all go back to actually playing mafia

Okay, at this point I thought this could also be some really scummy shit right here. Did you agree or disagree with the theory of BTD being town based off of that post?

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Alright. Even though BTD's logic is still bullshit, and his response was sketchy, i cant base my whole argument on him throwing a gambit like that as scum.

Time to find another unholy victim.

UNVOTE:

This is still some scummy shit btw.

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VOTE: Chickadee

If I trust you and think you're town I'll look into this some more.

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VOTE: Chickadee

Do you do anything other than fluff and vote?

Okay, why are you asking LUV this opposed to just everyone else. Because I am seeing other people do this exact same thing.

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You're saying that no one is playing the game.
That's the definition of a complaint.

No, its not. Nothing in that statement implies I'm unsatisifed with the situation.

It does, but whatever, you're rather pointless to argue with since you can't even notice a blatant contradiction like you posting fluff while complaining about no one playing the game.
And you still miss the point entirely that you've posted nothing but fluff until I called you out on it, and all you've done since then is try to detract from my accusation that you've only posted fluff by saying I'm scum for pointing out you're contradictions.

VOTE: Lil Uzi

i was just going to leave it at that, because you could just be ignorant, but I realized typing that last sentence that you are just trying to avoid my accusation and beat around the bush to try and turn my accusation into a reason I am scum.

tbh, I feel like this is PURE OMGUS except it's just has some sprinkles on it to make it seem like it isn't.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

I will gladly powerlynch you.

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OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

Yeah except I feel like other people are fluffing and you going for LUV for fluffing makes me draw questionmarks.

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Maybe all the ladies rolled scum this game

Io and LUV seems town on town to me.

The post that started that whole thing, LUV saying let's get back to playing, was not pointless as Io pointed out. I can see how it'd be taken that way, but everyone came in harping about a day start PM, when it was obvious (at least to me) that there wasn't one. It was a distraction to the game.

Thinking about it now, I'm going to go back and take note of that whole thing, for reasons.

This can be a scum!Chick post tbh.

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hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

lol.

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Wait wait
did you tell everyone who asked or did you just tell mafia outright?
cause if its the latter THAT conftowns btd

Considering the blue claim was an abuse of human error I will not further comment in any way on this matter so as not to conftown or confscum anyone.

Stop.
Commenting.
On.
This.
This post should have never been made.

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VOTE: QuantumRadius
blatant opportunism

Okay, maybe MM4 can be town.

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UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

Okay, your Io interactions are making me think TvS, except I'm trying to figure out which one is which at this point.

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i dislike io wagon because occam's razor is a thing
it's more likely io just has a cold and calculating playstyle than scum using a claim to be a VI to elaborately jump on the wagon than to jump on for the scummy things QR has done.
also the wagon composition is pretty horrible.

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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VC 1.7

Io (L-2) - Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire, Kop, Chickadee
QuantumRadius (L-6) - MarioManiac4
Lil Uzi Vert (L-6) - Sesq

Spawn Campers (5) - Flairs, ex-Assemblerotws, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Io, ex-taiho

Assemblerotws is due to be kicked for being AFK for too long (boo).

taiho has left the game

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

Also me voting someone with a valid reason is not hypocritical as I said I wan't going to lynch someone or let them get lynched in RVS. And voting someone with a valid reason is the exact opposite of RVS.

But if you yourself had a valid reason to vote why were you so scared of a lolhammer?

VOTE: Io

I almost freaked the fuck out and would haved deathtunneled you out of pure fucking anger for this.
I mean 90% of the time this comes from town but still.
Give the fucking replacements a chance to come up with content.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

You are still scum.

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holy shit that's hammer
wtf

It's not, but why are you sounding shocked if you were so confident I'm scum?

Okay.
You can be town for this.

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Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

Scumposting right here.

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VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

Okay this is better thank you

[A2]

I probably should have spoilered that huh?
Okay whatever.

{MM4, BTD, Sesq, IO}
{LUV, Kawso}
{Flairs, Kop, Taiho}
{Chick}
{Quantum, Dongempire}
VOTE: Quantum

[A2]

I'll be around a bit to interact with people.
But for the most part after that I'm just going to lurk to attempt to keep my post count low since that's how I play on this alt.
and holy shit I actually did a full catchup as town for once.

[A2]

I disagreed A2 but I prefer not to talk about it in depth any further.

With?
I wrote a ton of shit in that wall I have no clue what you're talking about if you don't point things out.

[A2]

Ah okay.
Let me ask you this.
Do you see BTD making that post as scum?
With my experience with him I highly doubt he does that tbh.

[A2]

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz
Also

{Quantum, Dongempire}

Okay, LUV what do you think about these two people?

[A2]

I'm saying that, I'm looking at Io's ISO, especially the part where she basically tells Radius they're an idiot for claiming Kawso scumslipped, and thinking, "Yeah, it's much, much more likely that this is just Io than that this is indicative of Io!scum"

Yeah but why you're basing that on such little supporting evidence? I think town are more likely to at least meta dive her a bit just to be sure.

A2 what do you think of this post?

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz

Do you have statistics to back it up?

@_@

lol "metadiving"
Never done it in my life.
I could see it coming from scum!LUV.
Just like my interactions from him where.

LUV I'ma have to ask you to site your sources plz
Also

{Quantum, Dongempire}

Okay, LUV what do you think about these two people?

Superstitious and The Divergent I believe.

I like both tonally and their cases on Io.

FFS LUV those are towngames.
I wanted a scumgame where he tries to use mechanics to try to get him towncred like that.

And nah, I'm not taking tone for an answer with those two. I want you to go further then that.

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Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

this pinged me hard for being opportunistic.
you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town.
VOTE: io

How are they even both so scummy here.

I never really said it was Scum v Scum? Pretty sure I said it was Town v Scum. And mostly because I thought one of those two were scum prior to those interactions. Those interactions just made me think further that it was town v scum because Io keeps on being really indecisive with her vote and I just straight up scumread Quantum prior to those interactions.

[A2]

these two votes are, in my sight, miles apart from each other.

dong's tone is genuine frustration. he's a bit angry that i was playing useless. he also realizes that he isn't on the board. this signals to me that he wants to kick the game into motion and see some action in the thread. he isn't playing passively and letting the town destroy itself. he easily could have forgotten the vote and left it as a shadecast, but he instead wants me active and forming independent position. can't see that post ever coming from a mafia member.

your vote, on the other hand, screams that you want me mislynched. you clearly don't give a shit about my alignment. you just know that i was being useless, and the town would feel as though they weren't losing much through the lynch, camouflaging the mafia members on my wagon. it was extremely opportunistic and advantageous from a scum perspective.

conclusion: dong town, io scum. i got exactly what i wanted.

Are these reads too simple or did they make sense in context?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Quantumradius might be VI, his T game is not so different I think.

VOTE: Dongempire

Not sure if his anger is quite real, and his posts and votes seem even more one dimensional than io's.

Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

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I could've sworn he was scum in Supertitious

I'll try to go through my Wiki tonight to see if I actually have a scum game with him.

As for those two, tone and the cases are really the only thing. Could you elaborate on why you scum read them A2?

EBWOP.

I can explain my reads sure, I'm just wondering why you won't do the same.

Dongempire is scum mostly for trying to shush people up and mostly trying to make it seem like things like BTD's town post doesn't come from town. It's manipulative.
Quantum mostly because the fact they bought that Kawso could have slipped kinda shows that they have more information then me. Also a lot of their posts I feel like were designed to be towny but I don't buy they're actually coming from town.

[A2]

hooooooly cow the deathtunnel
hi a2 *awkward wave*

Hai

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Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

He couldn't produce reads early, and then when he did they seemed exaggerated. But when I looked at his town game he had similar trouble starting up and votes seemed weird there too.

I wouldn't put him town either, but there is a realistic chance he may be VI.

Your posture is gross.

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God ye good den fellows.

I had a town read on Taiho. Please don't let me down.

A2 replaces Assemblerotws, Steel replaces taiho (awaiting role PM confirmation).

Don't even fucking wait next time just announce the replacement.
Whatever, catching up later.

Also Sesq, LUV, Chick I'm no keeping this alt secret anymore so...

Alisae!

Tis not an alisae alt...

Wrong.

Im tempted to scumread Kawso because I townread him

^Only serious quote for this post. MM4 you continue to be in my town pile for stuff like this.



Also, A2, I'm town this game D:
Please don't scum read me.
I'll do better!

Hi Chick :3

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Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

LOL THESE TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME THING man what the fuck are you on about.

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lynch lynch lynch, and also talking about a POLICY LYNCH in day 1, and you're saying you're thinking about day 5 or 6 but you're not even thinking about day 2, where we'll be left with no information if we'd lynched him.

Post 316 quote:
"My vote was just a joke as well, so when you took him to L-2 trying to seriously lynch him I grew concerned and wanted to get off."
The infamous post. We werent trying to lynch him, we were pushing him to get information. Your use of the word definetely hints at a more opportunistic vote though.

Um Policy Lynches come from town 99% of the time. And this Day 5 or 6 or 2 or 88 or 420 shit is super irrelevant imo you're scum.

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VOTE: Io

I want to see a flip already.

lol

[A2]

VOTE: Dongempire
I'm about to end this guys whole career.

[A2]

Spoiler: Ending this guy's whole career

Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

Alright. Even though BTD's logic is still bullshit, and his response was sketchy, i cant base my whole argument on him throwing a gambit like that as scum.

Time to find another unholy victim.

UNVOTE:

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

For fucks sake though QR, you are the root of the problem. My stance on you is taking a dive as we speak. Either stop fucking around with "i dunno what to make of anything" without referencing anything, or just dont post at all.

You know what, im not voting anyone. I realize i was just townreading you but if you say nothing is happening in this game, its not an option to sit back and watch.
VOTE: QuantumRadius

UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

I was. I thought it was a joke to want to lynch someone on not having reads 2 days into day 1.

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

Contradiction one. Lets analyze this one by one, shall we?

First she says that she isnt comfortable having someone at L-2 for a RVS. Fair point. If it was true. She already mentioned that she didnt realize we were out of RVS, but it should have been obvious to anyone keeping up with the game, and if not the game, the damned post count. No game of this caliber has a rvs that lasts until post 280.

Why is this post important? Because she is intentionally trying to steer herself away from any unforeseen consequences (the possible "lolhammer" that will never happen in a L-2). If she really cared about pushing the game forward, she'd have put her foot down and pushed QR harder till he squeezed. Instead she just backs off, saying "isnt it rvs" when its pretty clear by all means it isnt.

And again, her second post proves that she isnt keeping up with the game, with her mindless push on LUV for a post that was posted at least a few pages before that, and now the 2 days comment. I just isod her and she keeps coming back. We just dont notice it all that much because she really doesnt have anything productive to say. Shes just passing by to vote, or throw shade, without following the game.

I think post #163 should've been a clear indicator we were out of RVS, but she still brings it up as a reason to not vote someone, even though she was just voting lil uzi. Whatever.

And then in her last post, he just outright votes QR without any plan on what to do next, with her reasoning being "there isnt much to lose" and "he probably wont be that usefull late game" which is just bullshit coming from someone who wasnt even confident in putting someone in L-2 10 posts ago.

Why is this noteworthy? Because if she was town, she wouldnt be trying to lynch QR instantly, instead trying to squeeze him for information as i said. In her case, she isnt giving QR any room for defense, and is just trying to get an easy lynch in. If we lynch QR now, we will get literally no information out of him apart from his few reads, which is exactly what mafia wants. Exactly what IO wants.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Io

I'm going to play some age of empires, then i'll come and explain her second contradiction.

Sesq, shut up for a second if you're not going to help. And no, lynch and running LUV doesnt help. Or wait wait wait, dont shut up, you still need to help the town or you're the next in the chopping block.

Now that i got that out of the way, i want to answer IO's post pretty quickly. ('Cause i cant answer it in depth now that electricity cut removed the post i was making. Fun!)

First off, RVS is a section, its not an action. Random voting is a different thing altogether but by the time you made that post we were out of RVS milleniums ago.

And i think you got off the wrong foot. The fact is,

no one, especially me, was trying to lynch QR.

We were trying to get some information by pressuring him and L-2 wasnt going to end up in a lolhammer. And know what, we did end up getting information. If not information, at least QR is fairly active in the game now. You saying that really makes me feel like you were trying to steer yourself away from a lynch that wasnt going to happen anyways.

And you werent following the game, you said it was RVS in post godfuckingknowswhat00, in which point it was very obvious it wasnt. And you isoing someone to get information rather than trying to find information on whats happening right now leads me to believe you were isoing people just to find some easy places to push (not to get information, but to lynch).

A stretch? Definitely. But im confident enough by your behaviour overall that that was your endgame when isoing flairs. Just to say you contributed. And thats why i want to LYNCH you now. I think i got enough information by now. And if you do get lynched, i'll be the one to pull associates.
(by the way 321 is bs)

VOTE: Dongempire

You're pushes on me in particular are feeling very scummy.
Like you're whole argument is that I don't follow the game and am wrong about RVS.

And really the fact you are willing to lynch me over just that (and me ISOing) and to end the day right now with such confidence saying that you're going to lead day 2 and find another scum off me flipping scum is pinging my suspicions a bit.
Also since you're saying I'm also scum for ISOing and voting Flairs is furthering my suspicions on Flairs to the point I am very confident if one of you is scum you both are.

That isnt even the main point of my argument.

Maybe im explaining it wrong. Who the fuck knows, since im an "angery player".

I keep pushing you for the RVS because you keep pleading human error in a part where its less likely human error and more likely to divert yourself from oncoming accusations. Thats why, not just because you didnt know it was RVS. If it was just human error with no clear motive, why the fuck would i push you on that front?

And im also suspicious because you keep using the word "lynch" rather than "push" when theres not enough concrete evidence. Lynch QR, lynch him, lynch her, lynch the mod, but never the word push. Thats why im also suspicious of you.

And with isoing as i said its easier to find easy places to push, but you're less likely to find information, especially in day 1, since there arent even any flips yet. For that reason if you're town you isoing borders on useless, and if you're scum you're going for an easy lynch.

1- I read ISO's because it's the fastest way to find out if someone is at a glance being townie or scummy.
2 - And honestly what you described in that 3rd paragraph is pretty much what I call RVS. It's rather pointless arguing over what post RVS stops at though, but voting someone to get them to L-2 or L-1 (Which MM4 was pushing for to happen) to get information is RVS.

1 - On later days, when there are associations to be made. Right now theres nothing unless you stretch it. Which you seemingly will, with ease.
2 - RVS/=/ Random Voting, the latter they were doing to get information, as you said.

Why the fuck wouldnt you want to get information again?

And yes, i am confident if you are scum i'll be able to make associations. Thats why i was wondering if there was a mafia daychat. I dont care if it pings your suspicions, there are only 4 days left and if i cant reunite the town in that time we'll probably be left to lynch the lowest hanging fruit, which will leave us again with nothing.

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

Thats because i was pushing you, not lynching you. Try to replace the word lynch in your quotes with push and it works fine. If you try replacing push with lynch it doesnt work half as well. Its not that your percentage of saying it, its that you could've said something else that wouldve fitted the bill. If you were town.

Nice cherrypicking. Anything else to add?

OK, so if that's the case then go ahead and prove it please. Because when I look through the ISO the instances I see of me saying lynched are valid reasons for the word and just make as much if not more sense than saying pushed. I'm so confident with this that I can guarantee that you could not take quotes to even make this point viable without the same insane stretching that you've been doing this whole game.
Seriously you can grab any 3 quotes from me you like and prove that it was completely unnecessary to say lynched and pushed would have worked better to describe what I was saying.
This entire point of yours is basically degrading to you don't like my word choice which is frankly just a stupid accusation to begin with.

And there's not been any cherrypicking.
I don't see why if you're town you feel the need to lie so much about what I've said and give these halfassed weak pushes.
I've yet to see a single valuable piece of criticism come out of your mouth this whole game.

theres cherrypicking mate, you took only one line of about ten line response to your bullshittery, is that not cherrypicking
mm spicy, time to respond to your uses of "lynch" because apparently we dont have anything better to do because this will fucking end like everything else i play, i'll be right, no scum will be lynch UNTIL i die so i cant get credit for it. COOL.

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

She's talking about lynching Quantum when she should be only pushing him in this stage with no information.

I was. I thought it was a joke to want to lynch someone on not having reads 2 days into day 1.

Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

Honestly it is reaching into policy lynch territory, but frankly you made yourself such a valuable asset to the Mafia if you are town it could be fatal if you lived to the final 5 or 6.

And honestly if you're coming out and saying that you were faking being a VI, then you're gambit was pretty reckless as if you actually failed you would liekly have been lynched due to the lynch all liars mentality for faking to be a VI.

lynch lynch lynch, and also talking about a POLICY LYNCH in day 1, and you're saying you're thinking about day 5 or 6 but you're not even thinking about day 2, where we'll be left with no information if we'd lynched him.

Post 316 quote:
"My vote was just a joke as well, so when you took him to L-2 trying to seriously lynch him I grew concerned and wanted to get off."
The infamous post. We werent trying to lynch him, we were pushing him to get information. Your use of the word definetely hints at a more opportunistic vote though.

Like seriously empire if you thought I was scum why are you making mountains out of mole hills to look for an excuse to vote me.
You're the only one who is actively looking for an excuse to vote me. Everyone else at least can come up with a valid reason to vote (be it just a gut like LUV or a reaction test like QR and Chick (which I don't even agree with but whatever that's a rant for another day))without making excuses like you are.

looking for an excuse?
im out. im done circlejerking. time to take my head off the ground so the town will listen to me as you get away. fuck this game

139 - No, that is not bullshit. It's you attempting to come up with manipulative bullshit to not get people to townread BTD for that. Like, 99% of the time this is not a stunt scum yet alone scum!BTD would try to pull. If anything it comes from cocky town who thinks they have the game all figured out.
192 - If you tried to waste your time with BTD some more it would look scummy, so you have to come up with bullshit to try to stop. You can't base you're whole argument around it? why can't you? Why can't you just continue to push the gambit if you

genuinely

feel that way.
235 - Man you are so quick to TR your buddy. Also saying "I don't know what to make of it, still won't, not even gonna bother trying" is the lazy answer. IE the Scum Agenda.
275 - Gross progression that is probably a bus tbh by how quickly he hops off and by how little he pushes it.
306 - First off, you went from lightly pushing Quantum to defending her? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Secondly, contradictions can come from town, so hush yourself or explain why it's a scummy contridiction, otherwise you're just saying "They contradicted themselves! They must be scum!" as an attempt to just justify a vote. And oh man scum sure do love those. Okay, but let's talk about you're argument you are presenting here. You are saying she's using it as a smokescreen yeah? Well it is quite a terrible smokescreen that can be seen through quite easily, so scum aren't likely to do it. Thirdly, not keeping up with the game isn't AI at all. Fourthly, you're bringing up this "I don't want to vote I Don't think we're out of RVS" or whatever shit as scummy when it really really just is not. If anything I see it's more likely to come from town then scum.
365 - Out of place frustration with sesq here. Also he wants to keep sesq silent for whatever reason that suits his scum agenda. You don't lynch for fucking information you lynch scum period. Lynching for information is bad and is probably the justification you are using to attempt to push town. You're not even attempting to analyze how they do what they are doing, you're just saying "They're doing something. Lynch it." You have to analyze the how because that's how you find out it's genuine or not. And you have to judge their conclusion too which you aren't doing.
376 - Your argument about the word lynch and not the word push is terrible and scummy. You're argueing such a little detail that doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. And okay, please tell me what information you sure do dearly care about.
385 - The two words mean the exact same thing.
431

Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

LOL THESE TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME THING man what the fuck are you on about.

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lynch lynch lynch, and also talking about a POLICY LYNCH in day 1, and you're saying you're thinking about day 5 or 6 but you're not even thinking about day 2, where we'll be left with no information if we'd lynched him.

Post 316 quote:
"My vote was just a joke as well, so when you took him to L-2 trying to seriously lynch him I grew concerned and wanted to get off."
The infamous post. We werent trying to lynch him, we were pushing him to get information. Your use of the word definetely hints at a more opportunistic vote though.

Um Policy Lynches come from town 99% of the time. And this Day 5 or 6 or 2 or 88 or 420 shit is super irrelevant imo you're scum.

432 - Lol that's a town response from Io, this post litterally means nothing not to mention the frustration is out of place.

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strongly disagree with the dong wagon
if we want to wagon someone else I'd like steel, his votesheeping screams red

lol
Swiggy Swaggity coming from that Quantum next.

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It's deadline now so let's kill Dongempire.

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Like, I am pretty fucking sure the scumteam is Dang, Quantum, LUV.
Pretty fucking sure.

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A2, I do not believe scum would wagon together so boldly as such.

VC 1.9

Io (L-3) -

Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire

, Chickadee
Lil Uzi Vert (L-5) - Sesq, MarioManiac4
Dongempire (L-5) - Io, Steel
QuantumRadius (L-6) - A2

Spawn Campers (4) - Flairs, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Kop

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

Didn't even notice this.
I mostly thought that LUV, Quantum, and Dongempire aren't really talking about each other because they don't need to.
If there's scum in the no voters it's either Flairs or Kop methinks?

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Why Quantum exactly? I don't really think a reaction test is a scum tell.
It's null at best.

Io.
It's not "oh, they did a reaction test, they must be scum."
it's that they're expecting to get towncred for it.
It's designed to be this "hah, gotcha moment" that I don't like.

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omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

This came sorta off like that to me.

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I don't buy that at all because it seems to be overdoing playing shocked.

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I don't buy that at all because it seems to be overdoing playing shocked.

EBWOP.

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That is litterally WIFOM.

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Okay
that's a lazy answer.
Let me ask you why scum!Quantum wouldn't play that up there?

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Okay
that's a lazy answer.
Let me ask you why scum!Quantum wouldn't play that up there?

EBWOP.

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Good job.

Dam you aren't even responding to my memes where I quote the post and say "EBWOP" without making any changes to it.
sad

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That's my townread

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Also I'm busy ending Dangempire's career.

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sesq what about Dangempire?

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I am trying to wagon Dangempire.

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Whatever
VOTE: Quantum

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Again, we're just pushing him, not trying to lynch him.

LOL THESE TWO ARE THE EXACT SAME THING man what the fuck are you on about.

Its not you drooler. Pushing someone is to get information, trying to lynch him is scumgame.

No it isn't.
When you push someone you're trying to lynch them. That's what pushing scum is.
It's like comparing the words A and AN its the same fucking thing.

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No one pushes anyone for information.

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Whatever tbh that's frustrated town.

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Yeah yeah
go devide up the town even further before deadline by voting the most obvtown thing this game.
Do it.

You have a wincondition.
Play to it.

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Did I strike a nerve?

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WAIT
HOLD UP
YOU EXPECT QUALITY PLAY IN OPENS
OMG
OMG
THAT IS THE BIGGEST JOKE I HEARD IN AWHILE.




Man if you want quality play you should play themed games.
The open queue is not for you.