Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[Maxous]

Checking in.

[Maxous]

Trying to control the pairings isn't gonna be helpful. It lets scum hide too much because they can't be held to account.
I'm vetoing this.

[Maxous]

I would ask people don't accept proposals straight away but I'm not gonna be the fun police

[Maxous]

Trying to control the pairings isn't gonna be helpful. It lets scum hide too much because they can't be held to account.
I'm vetoing this.

Elaborate.

I think letting people meta pair and pair with no content is way more dangerous to letting scum hide, and that is literally all I have seen so far.

Not...sure what you want elaborated.
I don't agree with your point.

@Vecna: I would surprised if scum paired together, I don't see the benefit.

[Maxous]

Trying to control the pairings isn't gonna be helpful. It lets scum hide too much because they can't be held to account.
I'm vetoing this.

i don't really see what scum have to be held accountable to here - i think everyone in this table is more than capable of coming up with a narrative for why they want to pair up with whoever as scum that would make some degree of sense

what are you expecting to happen here?

Not necessarily.
Particularly if the person(s) they want happens to already be taken and they have to adjust.

[Maxous]

@mint berry: TL;DR - Giga and Hebi are saying that scum are either gonna pair by meta( what Dunn and Maria did) or come up with well reasoned excuses for why they want to pair with someone, so there's no point in letting people choose themselves.
I don't necessarily agree it's gonna be that easy for scum.

[Maxous]

Hebi, as long as the girls don't just accept the first offer they get, I think we can still control the lynch

[Maxous]

I have scumleans on penguin and maria but they're both on the girls side unfortunately.
I think cabd is town, ftr.

[Maxous]

I will agree to be scorched as long as LLD comes down with me.
Otherwise, no.

There's my stance on the issue

[Maxous]

I will agree to be scorched as long as LLD comes down with me.
Otherwise, no.

There's my stance on the issue

elaborate.

I'm not sacrificing myself for a scum-driven plan.
If I *am* gonna sacrifice myself the person pushing the plan is coming with me.

[Maxous]

I will agree to be scorched as long as LLD comes down with me.
Otherwise, no.

There's my stance on the issue

elaborate.

I'm not sacrificing myself for a scum-driven plan.
If I *am* gonna sacrifice myself the person pushing the plan is coming with me.

That's obvious enough, I'm asking you to elaborate on why you think it's a scum driven plan.

I don't necessarily.
If I'm going along with sacrificing myself, I am making sure it isn't.

[Maxous]

You asked for everyone's opinion on the plan.
I gave mine.
I'm not saying I *want* to be, I am clarifying the only condition I will agree to it.

[Maxous]

I actually want to pair with ActionDan.
I entered on the wrong side.

[Maxous]

max talk to me about your p_a scumread because i'm getting town from her posting

And yeah, I'm dancing with my husband (Cabd).

I have better faith in him to sort me than vice versa under normal circumstances, see the last micro we played in when we'd only been dating for two months, but I should have some insight. Plus, fun times. Which is the point.

I'm up for listening to confirmed town.

The other side of this mechanic too is that *all* unpaired players leave the sance after pre-dance, no? So if we decide there's a likely-scum lady, we can lynch two gents and a lady, effectively. So scum hunting among us ladies is relevant.

P-edit: LLD, pairing up doesn't preclude public scum hunting. I suspect Cabd would take even greater delight in getting me lynched if I was scum than using the suicide mechanic, even if it ends the same way for him.

"i'm not doing this but i'm gonna make sure i don't piss off the confirmed town"
completely rubbed me the wrong way

[Maxous]

on page 14.

not impressed by LLD-RC theatre.

at all.

[Maxous]

whoa are you implying we're both scum?

that's rude.

maybe it's just one of you but regardless i would not want your pair into LYLO.

both your reasonings for wanting to suicide on each-other are weak and not overly believable.

[Maxous]

MariaR

gigabyteTroubadour

Shiro

A2
penguin_alien
hebichan

Lady Lambdadelta

Mint Berry Crunch

well, caught up.

I would prefer to partner with Mint Berry or A2 if possible.

[Maxous]

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

Make no mistake I still plan to kill the fuck out of you, but there are some things I need to see to before I shuffle off this

mortal coil

dance floor.

I

highly

request this pair is not alive by the second dance phase

[Maxous]

Maxous is my strongest townread this game.

i think this is kinda weird considering how paranoid you were about me last time, idk

[Maxous]

Alright I kinda want to get a partner sorted, it seems most people are ready to move on.

I'm assuming cabd-penguin which is unfortunate for me because I think cabd is obvious town while I'm not feeling Penguin at all, she's going to my first vote, I'll explain it when I make the vote.

I would of liked to pair with Giga if I felt she was town. But I'm not convinced at all so I would rather not.

I could pair with Hebi but I don't think that would be optimal.

I feel as if myself and A2 could be a safe town pairing so that's certainly an option. She reads very town to me.

I would like to pair with Mint Berry either because I feel like he's town and I feel like I could get a good feel for him in the PT throughout the game anyway.

[Maxous]

Flipping yourself doesn't prove anything.

[Maxous]

sorry Maxous

nah, i'm kidding - i actually think you and cabd is a really good town-pairing.
If Penguin is town i am sorry that i kinda pressured them out of it.

So uhh, i don't think Mint Berry wants to pair with me though.

Hebichan?

[Maxous]

Why only trust Maxous to read me? I went back to check out of curiosity, and we've never played a game where we had to read one another. Maxous, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only overlap I saw in his topic list was NY 168 where I replaced in after he was dead and Open 543 where I replaced into a clear slot and the game was all but over. There's no reason to think he's got a bead on me, especially since he's not the only one who's scum read me here.

I remember you being really obvious town in a game we played before but if you were confirmed town in that game..that's actually different than what i remember.
I should double-check that cause that's actually part of my read.

[Maxous]

And Maxous, it's been three years since I've played the vast majority of my games, but Open 543 ( I replaced into a one-shot cop slot) and NY 168 (you died N1 as a fire goon before I'd replaced in as a one-shot ice cop for the last day of a game that had basically been solved) were the only ones I recognized in your threads list. Maybe you have an alt I played with? Otherwise I don't know.

i don't play with alts.
I checked, it was the pick your poison game i was thinking of. and that was actually longer than i remembered too so i should prob should disregard that meta completely.

idk, i think your reads are overly shallow and appeasing but people who know you better that i am strongly town-reading are convinced i'm wrong here.
i'll give you a bit of slack.

[Maxous]

i guess that means i'll be voting LLD/RC or Gigabyte
maybe Vecna either.

[Maxous]

Maxous, care to elaborate why youre scumreading me to this extent? Id think you of all people should be intimately aware of my scumplay, and that this is nothing like it.

what?
that game where you completely snowed me?

I don't like your cabd read, i thought it was weird you were pushing me to pair with A2 and your request to pair with Giga felt out-of-nowhere and unexplained.
And now you're scumreading A2?

[Maxous]

Maxous, what do you think about me and the accusations made against me?

i would guess you're town.
the only accusation i can remember from the the top of my head is LLD saying that you contradicted yourself about scumreading her but i didn't think much of it.

[Maxous]

As opposed to pyp where I cuddled you with kindness, ill just be blunt here. I wanted you to pair with A2 because A2 as town gets completely pocketed by competent manipulating scum and will defend them to death, to the detriment of the game. Since you are probably town, and Id estimate youre way less manipulative as scum then Cabd, it felt like a much much better and pro-town pairing that way.

Whether A2 is scum or not is completely besides the point. He tends to scumread me in literally every game we feel, and every time it just feels weird and forced - and I bet he'd merily continue that habit as scum.

Sometimes, it doesnt hurt to ask these things. Lets work together this game and snow the scumteam for once.

gonna be honest, i'm most interested in why you decided to pair with Giga.

[Maxous]

Tell you what, I'll let Action Dan pick between Hebi and Penguin and I'll ask the other to pair up.

As fun as all this schadenfreude is, I'm just gonna relax in the meantime.

[Maxous]

oh lord

rabble rabble

If Dan doesn't make a choice on Hebi/Penguin soon then i will.

Put Giga and Priscila together so we can lynch them.

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RC is 100% dying in this game. Him pairing with LLD makes no sense with the plans he's been trying to make, i'm not even sure what his scum-read on LLD was ever

supposed to be

and now he's flooding the thread trying to get out of the suicide-pact because he's knows he screwed up.

like, if you don't want to do it straight away, fine, but it's definitely happening

[Maxous]

They're both people I would to lynch.

[Maxous]

That's the nicest compliment I've ever gotten

[Maxous]

Gigabyte is being non-committal to all the pairings going around here *particularly* considering she has 2-3 offers.

i'm not saying she had to accept anybody yet but she is trying to play ALL sides in a pretty disingenuous way and not giving indication of where she wants to go.
Hedging her bets -way- too much for my liking.

[Maxous]

I town-read all the other 4 to varying degrees apart from Priscila so hence i would like her to be with the person i want to lynch.

Though maybe we can put Vecna with her since he wants to leave me out. And i do have some issues with his play.

[Maxous]

I mean, he could. You'd be surprised how far you can away with it

If one of them flipped scum I'd re-evaluate anyway though

[Maxous]

Maxous, where did you go from townreading me to scumreading me? Why is GBT hedging her bets on her partner scummy?

That read was something like 30 pages ago.
I don't scumread you per se, I see you as the weakest read of the boys side.
I believe you answered your own question about GBT later, I'm voting her first.

[Maxous]

*tips fedora*

Penguin_Alien, care to dance?

[Maxous]

*tips fedora*

Penguin_Alien, care to dance?

Sure, let's cut a rug!

Assuming Dan-Hebi my priority to keep is keyen>>>Vecna>Priscila

[Maxous]

I think keyen is an easy townread personally

[Maxous]

Maxous why do you TR Keyen?
I don't get it
is there something I'm missing here?

Can you TL;DR for me why he's scum.
Because I don't see scum motivation in anything he's doing.
He knows he's been the favourite to get cut for a while now and I've seen no panic or desperation from him to get a partner.
If he's scum, it's a hell of a bluff

[Maxous]

if this tip-toe'ing around is gonna lead to me being left out due to time constraints my suspicious natire is ordering everyone to lynch your pair first.

you've been asking around for concensus on who should be left out. from what i can see the overwhelming majority is saying that you should pair me and that key should be left out.

you agree me and hebi will result in a guaranteed kill during the intermission, and thus is not a very optimal pairing.

yet youre still holding off on pairing. youve been saying the entire game youd prefer me over key, but now hes suddenly your strongest townread? and youre trying to force keyen to stay in even though the majority seems to want him out?

i might not know him, but this seems really iffy.

TL;DR, Giga is scum, yeah.

[Maxous]

The easiest way to summarise is that I think her reads over the game are too vague/cautious and appeasing.

[Maxous]

no?
Key is town

[Maxous]

Key>Dan>Vecna

[Maxous]

Lol, whoops.

Sorry guys.

VOTE: Shiro

[Maxous]

Guys, this is getting tiring to read through.
Play nice please.

I'm town because the dead scum was laughing at my shit reads.
Probably the lamest town defence I've had in a while but when life gives you lemons etc.

I agree it likely means Priscila!town too.

As of now I'm thinking a Shiro lynch but if we're going to intermission I'm going to sort out my reads on everyone in the PT anyway.