Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[Cabd]

Hi

guys

girls!

-f



Will be at Pokemon go festival today so probably not too much from me for a bit.

[Cabd]

Lady hebichan is aligned with

Town

.

This, though, is a little disappointing as I feel like Hebichan is somebody I was looking forward to being able to read on my own.

[Cabd]

Hi my literally wife is in this game pretty damn sure we should be paired up because we can read each other pretty damn well. PS Niantic sucks Pokemon go festival was like dashcon.

[Cabd]

Hi my literally wife is in this game pretty damn sure we should be paired up because we can read each other pretty damn well. PS Niantic sucks Pokemon go festival was like dashcon.

do you think you'd be able to sort her in less than 6 days without a hood? (or more importantly can she sort you in that time)

like thats whats still puzzling me about everyone's obsession with hoods

i'm not opposed to pairs like p_a/cabd and dunn/maria where they can read each other well but i dont understand why a hood needs to be in the equation when we might have to lynch someone who's in that group anyway

pedit: i dont mind compromising and, say, having hebi vet the validity of a pairing rather than have her decide as a whole what the right thing to do. as long as we talk about it though

Yes. I do think so. And I think we will eventually obtain the right read on each other 100% odds. So if paired and one is scum it's nukabke from orbit. But she would never draw scum and break my heart. Or something.

[Cabd]

Back from dashcon 2.0; and at a keyboard. Hang on.

[Cabd]

LLD i think it's a grand idea and all but it'll never work because trying to herd that many cats is impossible.



As for the mechanic... The wife and I signed up (breaking our "no playing with each other" personally-set rule) because of the mechanic. If she decides she's really interested in shopping around so be it; but I'm not doing diddly until that case. Some thing just aren't worth it. I don't have any particular issue with locking horns with somebody else if that's the case, though.

[Cabd]

...

[Cabd]

I don't know much about Cabd's scum game, perhaps he's actually really good at scum.

There's two games where I manipulated her effectively specifically. Both Vi moderated.

Mafia Xenologue and Mafia Pinnepedium.

I imagine it's a function of those two games having been such strong scum victories.

[Cabd]

Also want to address the "grandstanding" thing.

Just because I came into the game while signing up thinking I'd instapair with penguin doesn't mean I'm not open to hearing reasons against it.

Any "breaking" strategy that at least sounds possible on paper should be debated.

Re: LLD and your concerns; I've tried breaking strats in games this size before and herding cats is impossible, so chalk it up to "prior shitty experiences tell me this won't work"

[Cabd]

I don't know much about Cabd's scum game, perhaps he's actually really good at scum.

There's two games where I manipulated her effectively specifically. Both Vi moderated.

Mafia Xenologue and Mafia Pinnepedium.

I imagine it's a function of those two games having been such strong scum victories.

Not to mention I called you scum in one of those, and P_A refusing to lynch you is what lost me that game, so fuck yeah I'm paranoid about you being partnered with P_A.

That game...

We don't really talk about that game any more in any sort of depth. Neither she nor I were in a good mental place that game.

You might want to refer to the last game P_A and I played together though, where she was scum and got me mislynched while I called her scum. Things have changed in the past two years.

[Cabd]

By the way, the fact that penguin put that much effort into actually considering things makes her a town lean.

Not a husbando-endorsed townread, but a lean all the same.

[Cabd]

Honestly, she appears to be a bit unstable. I'm really glad I'm partnered with MariaR right now.

Instead of yelling at you, I reported this post.

What?

Ableism isn't cool and shouldn't be part of mafia, etc.

[Cabd]

The irony that the cat herder chose not to even herd herself isn't lost, i hope?


Oh well.

[Cabd]

If I were to not ask penguin I'd be asking Alisae^2 right now, fwiw.

LLD, you didnt address my post at you because...?

[Cabd]

Deal breaker

Rule Breaker?

[Cabd]

But really; "let me pair with somebody I scumread then lolsuicide" isn't exactly a game-breaking plan given the past few times this setup got ran, from my skims.

[Cabd]

Oh RC ninja'd me meh.

[Cabd]

My intent is to pair with Alisae or Penguin; I town read both enough to feel like I can permasort them with some one on one lovely time.

[Cabd]

The only reason I'm not flinging the invites already is because how this is developing deserves watching.

[Cabd]

I'm just as likely to go for alisae right now but penguin did sign up assuming she would pair with me. So it's her call if I do that or aggressively attacksort alisae.

Ladies first etc

[Cabd]

I'm just as likely to go for alisae right now but penguin did sign up assuming she would pair with me. So it's her call if I do that or aggressively attacksort alisae.

Ladies first etc

I'll be waiting~

What is your explicit read on me? And on penguin?

[Cabd]

So here's where I am.

I have a town tell on Penguin that's 100% good so far. I'd rather not burn said tell.

If me linking with her is going to cause her to get auto-lynched; I'll pair with somebody who isn't as scummy; or I'll intentionally get flipped in the pre-dance phase to confirm my reads and tell was coming from town. I'm that confident.

People seem to already be lining up to lynch either my half or penguin's half of the potential pairing, sooooo.

The onyl reason I haven't taken action is that in the end; I want her opinion on this.

[Cabd]

Well; banging my head against the wall hasn't done much either, yet here I am.

[Cabd]

Brain fart. Supposed to be "Somebody who isn't as town"

[Cabd]

Lady A2, would you like to square off into the sunset together?

[Cabd]

Why A2?

I am now thoroughly convinced you are not even bothering to read my posts.

[Cabd]

I'm just as likely to go for alisae right now but penguin did sign up assuming she would pair with me. So it's her call if I do that or aggressively attacksort alisae.

Ladies first etc

I'll be waiting~

What is your explicit read on me? And on penguin?

My intent is to pair with Alisae or Penguin; I town read both enough to feel like I can permasort them with some one on one lovely time.

[Cabd]

If Penguin is town i am sorry that i kinda pressured them out of it.

Either she is; or she's somehow gotten ahead of the arms race without even knowing what I look for after doing that tell for her entire mafia career.

[Cabd]

i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far

what are your thoughts there?

Idk what to think of alisae yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?

Ya'll can let me deal with ALisae. We're gonna have a nice chat. Just me, Alisae, and a chair with rope.

[Cabd]

i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far

what are your thoughts there?

Idk what to think of alisae yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?

Ya'll can let me deal with ALisae. We're gonna have a nice chat. Just me, Alisae, and a chair with rope.

Sucks that alisae danced with you lool

To the contrary. If my current townread on Alisae proves incorrect; then I can leave. Might make people calling for my blood happier anyways. Whoever pairs with penguin needs to be 100% town because she is. And me pairing with penguin was obviously just going to get us autolynched, which would be a great way to lose town slots immediately.

[Cabd]

Guess your confidence isn't as good as mine, then. Shame.

[Cabd]

Guess your confidence isn't as good as mine, then. Shame.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p6078431

Read my ISO and her ISO this game.

[Cabd]

Over the course of my mafia career; I've had three "100%" tells. I've burned one. I'm keeping the other two.

I have zero reason to doubt them as accurate.

[Cabd]

Sorry Cabd but I've been here so, so many times with pairings like this where one side gets hard pocketed. I don't trust your ability to read her as much as I trust her ability to fool you and I independently scumread her.

You can be sorry all you'd like, you're still wrong and I'm gonna be smug and furious at the same time if she flips before I do/you do.

[Cabd]

Reads list incoming, probably Morph style.

[Cabd]

Unpaired Ladies:

gigabyteTroubadour:

Post 20 came off as pretty town. If I had been a lady slot and interested in the mechanic and not just enjoying the game with the wife before being hit over the head that mechanic matters; I might have made that post. I made something similar in Cephrir's FE:A game iirc. 102 also comes off as genuine. ~70% town

penguin_alien

: ~90% town (10% is more out of deference to not placing her on the same line as the IC slash RC ~feelings~)

hebichan

: Confirmed 100% town

Mint Berry Crunch:

Early posts suck (All questions, very low analysis or reaction) but once he got into his groove he came off as pretty genuine. His 29 and 445 ping a little, but 584's top half does a lot to offset that. The bottom half of 584 also comes off as a legit set of thoughts. By far the weakest of my four reads; maybe ~55% town?

[Cabd]

Cabd, I'm more interested in the unpaired boys. Who is left again?

I'm making one of those reads posts for each of the three groups, it'll be in my next few posts.

Unpaired gents are:

keyenpeydee:
Priscila:
Maxous:
Vecna:
ActionDan:

[Cabd]

Cabd, I'm more interested in the unpaired boys. Who is left again?

I'm making one of those reads posts for each of the three groups, it'll be in my next few posts.

Unpaired gents are:

keyenpeydee:
Priscila:
Maxous:
Vecna:
ActionDan:

Of these, I'd like to see Vecna denied a partner, if we can do that lynching thing, but I also need some of these people to post more.

Are you still scumreading me? I feel like I got shoved in a corner of /ignore but usually the ignore folder is reserved to people being assholes to you.

[Cabd]

I want to see priscila's reaction to the past few hours before making a judgement call there 100% because I liked some of the posting but nothing of the more recent items.

[Cabd]

I want to see priscila's reaction to the past few hours before making a judgement call there 100% because I liked some of the posting but nothing of the more recent items.

You don't like them because you townread P_A and are scumreading Priscila for disagreeing with you on that read.

I was talking about post 496 and 506. Neither of those contain much mention of the P_A read; outside a side mention.

The idea of "I am OBVTOWN" but also "I want the IC with somebody obvtown but don't wanna link with the IC" don't really fit together. Yeah I get that priscila would rather suicide-style scumhunt but the two come off as conflicting.

[Cabd]

You were being shoved in the ignore corner until I saw what you did. I'm still pretty convinced you're scum, and your dancing with Alisae makes me much more convinced that you are scum.

Do break this one down. Or don't, I guess.

[Cabd]

Cabd, I'm more interested in the unpaired boys. Who is left again?

I'm making one of those reads posts for each of the three groups, it'll be in my next few posts.

Unpaired gents are:

keyenpeydee:
Priscila:
Maxous:
Vecna:
ActionDan:

Of these, I'd like to see Vecna denied a partner, if we can do that lynching thing, but I also need some of these people to post more.

Are you still scumreading me? I feel like I got shoved in a corner of /ignore but usually the ignore folder is reserved to people being assholes to you.

You were being shoved in the ignore corner until I saw what you did. I'm still pretty convinced you're scum, and your dancing with Alisae makes me much more convinced that you are scum.

Here's the issue though, I kind of need your vote to kill more obvious scum like Dunnstral and Shiro, so I'm letting you think you're getting away.

Oops, did I say all that out loud~?

Pst psssst cabd, tell me more about about how you feel about this~

I don't really care if you scumread me. If you're town, you're allowed to be wrong. If you're scum, you aren't lviing to endgame anyways.

I asked you above what you meant about "what you did".

Or is this some sort of "come flirt with me about reads!" invite that lacks any sort of blunted edge?

[Cabd]

I also think if you and P_A are scumm, you NEEDED to do this.

You think we both drew scum together and THIS is the path we took? LMAO

[Cabd]

You mean the iceberg where your heart would usually go?

[Cabd]

There's zero universes in which I draw scum with her and then both make a big show of being bummed I couldn't pair with her AND hard defending her to the point of citing one of my 100% tells. Why create that much attention to her? DO you think she's such a weak player that I'd have to defend her here instead of letting her do her own thing, or in the worst case, feeding her the answers from a scum topic?

[Cabd]

There's zero universes in which I draw scum with her and then both make a big show of being bummed I couldn't pair with her AND hard defending her to the point of citing one of my 100% tells. Why create that much attention to her? DO you think she's such a weak player that I'd have to defend her here instead of letting her do her own thing, or in the worst case, feeding her the answers from a scum topic?

No one is calling you scum together, stop attacking a straw man. She's saying you're scum and P_A is not.

Not sure that it's correct, but at least attack the right argument.

Right I'm currently refuting the "if you were scum together you'd do XYZ" part; not the entire argument she's drawn up as a whole.

[Cabd]

All of that was mostly true, but also mostly irrelevant? I really just wanted to see if I could force you to pick another partner, and A2 arrived. I find it very strange that town!cabd would allow this to happen, or would cave to my pressure.

YOU didn't force me to pick another partner. Half the game scumreading me and the other half scumreading her with me having a trust-tell level townread on her made me pick another partner. You greatly over-estimate the achievement your work alone had.

[Cabd]

I am p. sure Cabd's desire to pair with you and ask you was a cabd self inflicted necessity, so.

I invited her to this game with the intent that it'd be like playing together and fun.

Things changed once we entered the thread and mechanics breaking got involved. I haven't played this setup before in any depth. I didn't really bother exploring it till the game began and your "scortched earth breaking strats" came up.

[Cabd]

I am p. sure Cabd's desire to pair with you and ask you was a cabd self inflicted necessity, so.

I invited her to this game with the intent that it'd be like playing together and fun.

Things changed once we entered the thread and mechanics breaking got involved. I haven't played this setup before in any depth. I didn't really bother exploring it till the game began and your "scortched earth breaking strats" came up.

You makin' fun of my desire to kill all the people?

YOU MAKIN' FUN OF ME~?

Always.

If we'd joined this setup with me doing any amount of research instead of just seeing fakegod setup and sorta-kinda-ish remembering piegirlyn talking about dance setups being fun then I would have had a vastly different approach to pairing.

[Cabd]

No but in all seriousness, I'm p. sure Cabd is scum and his partnering with Alisae only makes me more certain, and a lot of his recent posts read more like "scum caught for the wrong reasons" as opposed to "town being wrongly accused".

I don't care if my reasons are wrong, if my read is right~~~

You're allowed to be wrong if you're town. The Cabd that played those Vi games 2-3 years ago would be going down a meta rabbit hole and frothing at the mouth about setup breaking, probably. I just can't be assed these days, and I'm finally confident in not using meta as my only crutch any more. You seem to be looking for a town-cabd model, as ffery would put it, that died a while ago.

[Cabd]

I wanted to try to convince LLD that she had me pocketed and get her to bus her scumteam first but this game is toxic and I just want it to be over at this point.

So wait what's your objection to lynching Dunnstral/MAria and then LLD/RC if it would get 2/3 scum?

Like, this makes your previous objections about my lynch ideas even weirder.

What I said above. Also, you aren't going to lynch P_A when I'm dead with hardpocketed Cabd.

If this is the case; why aren't you hard-pushing for her to pair with somebody you think will ignore me and do it anyways?

[Cabd]

If this is the case; why aren't you hard-pushing for her to pair with somebody you think will ignore me and do it anyways?

Isn't this exactly what I did when I said that Priscila should pair with her and immediately leave the dance?

My memory officially sucks because I don't remember that. It's dumb anyways, though!

[Cabd]

An apology and an admission you can't read me for shit, RC?

Do I get to have you apologize in person at Gencon if you're town when the game is over and P_A and I are both 100% town?


Because otherwise BORING.

[Cabd]

All kidding aside, ANY sort of bet will get people modkilled so let's not do that. At all.

[Cabd]

Oh yeah dunn said it too.

[Cabd]

BRB buying stocks in brick wall repair companies.

[Cabd]

Not really sure if I'm actually correct that P_a and Cabd are really together irl, but most of what has been said, that's what I thought of them.

We are married. We live together.

We even had a mafiascum table at our wedding.

Shameless FWAN link here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p8239678

[Cabd]

Comon Alisae; please don't make me regret pairing with you.

Less spam; more talk about the remaining pairings.

[Cabd]

I support Dan making it to the next stage. Especially after 1354; 'das town.

[Cabd]

By the way, LLD.

You've told me many a time in the past that my scumgame sucks or was just me being lucky/etc.

So I'm taking this death tunnel as a sign of begrudging respect for it, however misplaced it might be.

[Cabd]

Hey Cabd, about those morph-style reads lists...ETA on them?

When my motivation comes back.

Probably.

[Cabd]

We have so many people with weird activity times, also we have like, just over 24 hours to do this I think, so can we just pair up?

Who do you want the final pairings to be. Prisc-P_A; and... you with who?

[Cabd]

p-edit: I like maxous/giga priscilla/penguin dan/me and in that case it would leave vecna or key/mint which is meh either way and will probably get killed at some point.

That, though I will take anything at this point.

All your scum reads are in the existing pairings, then?

[Cabd]

Since the post opening the game: 5 days 13 hours 14 minutes 13 seconds ago



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Remaining; and I adjusted that slightly so when it expires there's a few minutes left. That's a live timer.

[Cabd]

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LLD hasn't posted in 4 days...

[Cabd]

Yeah; but aren't prods a thing?

I have posts directed to her that have sat ignored.

[Cabd]

(expired on 2017-07-30 08:58:49)

^Live timer.

[Cabd]

I'm just waiting for pairs to finish tbh

Who are you and what did you do with angrycat?

[Cabd]

I'm just waiting for pairs to finish tbh

Who are you and what did you do with angrycat?

She got married, moved in with us permanently and gets lots of pets all the time.

I knew about the first one, but the second and third are news to me! Yay!


(But seriously, there's a post directed at her that I'd love to see addressed)

[Cabd]

Both Vecna and Key should probably be allowed to braindump before Guga accepts either.

[Cabd]

By the way, LLD.

You've told me many a time in the past that my scumgame sucks or was just me being lucky/etc.

So I'm taking this death tunnel as a sign of begrudging respect for it, however misplaced it might be.

This was meant both to taunt you AND to get an updated reads set from you. Instead it got buried :~(

[Cabd]

RIP people who had the game "solved" already.

Thanks, deadline, for happening while people were asleep and helping us autolynch down to two scum.

[Cabd]

Since the post opening the game: 5 days 13 hours 14 minutes 13 seconds ago



(expired on 2017-07-30 08:58:49)
Remaining; and I adjusted that slightly so when it expires there's a few minutes left. That's a live timer.

(expired on 2017-07-30 08:58:49)

LLD hasn't posted in 4 days...

(expired on 2017-07-30 08:58:49)

^Live timer.

Dude....

You aren't even reading the game. JFC

[Cabd]

O hey look my read is still 100% a legit tell

[Cabd]

Nobody fucking walk out jeeZ. It's such a trap in this setup.

Lynching grants data.

[Cabd]

I was snowing my wife and then chose to kill her instead of having her defend me because....?

[Cabd]

Okay, here for real now.

[Cabd]

Dunnstral - MariaR
Firebringer - Shiro
Cabd - A2
Priscila - Mint Berry Crunch Assemblerotws
ActionDan - hebichan

5 Pairings. 3 of these are 100% confirmed to be town-town pairings. Most likely two of them are scum-town pairings, but it's technically possible it's 4 and 1.


We technically only have... two lynches until "lylo"?

I think?

Lynching a town-town pair would make it
T-T
T-T
T-S
T-S

Lynch another T-T setup and then it's...

T-T
T-S
T-S

which means 6 alive, 4 to vote. SO MYLO actually.

And this assumes nobody gets hot headed and just suicides. (Which is antitown here bw so plz don't TIA)

Technically one of the pairings being S-S doesn't actually change the math here.


Is all of this correct so far?

[Cabd]

Please just lynch Dunnstral and Mint Berry, thanks.

Of note, this was LLD's last post. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of me, but Hebi can probably articulate that if LLD wanted me dead my name woulda been there.

I'm gonna try to basically rank the remaining pairs including my own with most to least likely to be scum. That's the best way I have to try and get engaged into the game again. I wasn't expecting Penguin to die overnight; I was gonna stop playing patty-cake with A2 ITT and use her as a sounding board. Meh.

FYI: if you're gonna walk out; announce it ITT before actually doing it and let your partner braindump. Or, you know, just fucking don't and let lynches form instead so there's votes and accountability.

[Cabd]

I'm quite aware, thank you. It doens't mean that those were not her last set of reads.

[Cabd]

Some nasty family shit went down that I'm not gonna post publicly here, but that ended with my mother having a temper tantrum and my brother deciding not to talk to me indefinitely.

I'm gonna post what I have and if it's not enough for me personally, I'll replace out and let somebody who isn't currently crying help.

[Cabd]

I'm digging in now.

{Actiondan, Priscilla, A2} is my current core. (And obviously Hebi but duh Hebi)

[Cabd]

Dunstral is my current highest scumread; not shirobringer. Both will likely be flipped and "lylo" if by some miracle those are wrong will be the hell that is 4p MYLO.

{hebi}
{Dan, A2, Priscilla}
{Maria, Shiro, Assemblerotws}
{Fire}
{Dunn}

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Firebringer

Let's get this time-limited show on the road, I guess.

[Cabd]

Radiant Cowbells directly took about a week of IRL time from this game, we have no choice but to lynch quickly and decisively.

[Cabd]

Not quickvoting. I want to analyze flipped scum's interaction with remaining folks. We can take up to 2 IRL days (of the 5) to do so before the going gets tough. Nobody walk away please.

[Cabd]

Can we do the opposite?

I want to work backwards and rule people OUT not IN as scum.

Ideally with my town reads group of {Dan Hebi A2 Priscilla} alongside, doing reviews on each of those so i don't go off the paranoid deep end. But I suppose flipping Dun first is fine and THEN doing that since the deadline is the same; if we're accepting that there's ZERO chance dun makes it to lylo.

[Cabd]

I find it hilarious that all 3 scum literally asked a different lady to dance in their first posts. I can only imagine the strategy discussion in their scum qt. 3 scum gentlemen, must have been an oh-shit moment

??? You're assuming that it's 100% lock-in levels Dunn? And the fact that FB suicides early instead of forcing us to lynch him isn't weird at all?

[Cabd]

Can't you allow him to try and milk the last bit of paranoia inducing posts he has?

Dunn is scum.

I am as close to 100% on that as I can be.

Humor me and say they both flip town. What then.

[Cabd]

I don't have a shitton of faith right now. But I don''t want you two alive in LYLO if it comes to it...

[Cabd]

Don't leave yet

[Cabd]

Fuck

[Cabd]

No votes please.

[Cabd]

We can afford one more mislynch before LYO, clarified with the mod.

The question is; Flip me and A2; or flip one of the other pairs.

If Hebi has a 100% townread on their partner, game is won. If not, things get difficult.

Hebi?

[Cabd]

Hi Hebi.

I have a major concern that I want to discuss with somebody who is confirmed town so Imma do so now.

If you'll be around for a second?

[Cabd]

So you know how I do stupid gambits all the time and am generally a terrible person (As endorsed by LLD)?

I did the thing. And the results disturb me.

[Cabd]

During the lock as Dun-ria flipped; I made a post in my lovers PT where I gloated about winning and endgaming Alisae. (Like as in I thought I'd won as scum)

There was ZERO stock put into it being real, it was an instant "lol stop trolling me"

It didn't get mentioned here once. It's been about 12 hours since I did that and A2 has posted several times here.

I am a little worried that the reason it was immediately dismissed as trolling was because A2 knew I couldn't be scum.

And that I was pocketed and this endgame scenario was planned for A2 to win it alone by pocketing me and a few others; while hard-bussing to set that up. The kill on Penguin is then a way to further pocket me out of having anyone else to sounding-board off of.


It's possible I'm just going on a total rabbit hole but something has felt OFF all game.

[Cabd]

[quote="In post 2305, hebichan"Or it could be she thought you were just trolling. It would be way too early for you to troll.[/quote]
It could be. Yes. Something just feels wrong.

I sort of want the final set of folks to be you-dan and one other player set that isn't me. A2 and I are too mislynchable in MYLO.

I town-read dan more than A2 at the moment.

[Cabd]

{Hebi}
{Dan~Priscilla}
{mint~A2}

[Cabd]

If it was an endgame where A2 and I were both flipped town; where would your thoughts be? If you think dan is town we basically just win outright, so long as you can convince one of {prcisilla; mintslot} to agree.

[Cabd]

Dont walk.

I have a plan.

[Cabd]

The game can legit end right now with an assured town win if you and I are both sure of dan-town.

[Cabd]

Because I share somewhat your A2 sentiment due to gambitthings.

[Cabd]

If Hebi and Dan are down with that plan, (And we're willing to lose if dan is scum) we can do this:

Either you and I walk. If the game isn't over; the remaining one instavotes themself. Hebiu and dan hammer.

[Cabd]

Ah. Well; shit.

[Cabd]

What ARE the rest of your reads; then?

[Cabd]

Yes, right. There's only one left.

[Cabd]

meaning a single town-town pair can win alone.

[Cabd]

Me so high is quite the change, but okay I guess?

[Cabd]

I think given only one scum left if hebi is okay with it we just both suicide pact, Priscilla

[Cabd]

I don't think I'd ever town read you and your flaker more than Dan so at this point we are just watching the clock tick down. The me and A2 pair cannot be left alive at endgame.

[Cabd]

I am also fine with that order on the condition that your lover shows up and confirms the plan itt. Namely that not suiciding after I do is a scum claim and you should be lynched three to one.

I'm gonna be pissed if that slot stays in active or the prod and replacement process eats up all remaining time in the game.

[Cabd]

If we do you first me second,I do so saying that me not walking out is a ascum claim and then A2 Dan and Hebi should powerlynch.

[Cabd]

The game has effectively come down to lylo between A2 and Dan

[Cabd]

I'm assuming dan is more town than A2. Do you think the opposite?

[Cabd]

Right sorry i'm at a keyboard let me break this down.

[Cabd]

1: There is one scum player left alive.
2: With two pairs alive, the town in a town-scum pair can self-vote and therefore town can still win by having a single town-town pair left alive in endgame.
3: Hebi is confirmed town.

We can agree all three of these are true, yeah?

[Cabd]

From an outside point of view; here are the remaining player slots left alive:
Cabd - A2
Priscila - Assemblerotws
ActionDan -

hebichan

Agreed?

[Cabd]

From an outside point of view; here are the remaining player slots left alive:
Cabd - A2
Priscila - Assemblerotws
ActionDan -

hebichan

Agreed?

And from my point of view:

Cabd

- A2
Priscila - Assemblerotws
ActionDan -

hebichan

And from your point of view:

Cabd - A2

Priscila

- Assemblerotws
ActionDan -

hebichan

[Cabd]

All good so far?

[Cabd]

So, you can cross out two of the three lines.

From a pure statistical play, crossing out both the lines containing one confirmed town is suboptimal.

BUT if your scumread on a player (IE acitondan) outweighs your combines scumread on both the other slots, then you can do so.

So the question is, which two lines do you cross out?

Does your scumread of ActionDan outweigh your combined scumread on myself and A2? Are you willing to let a potential scum Mint slot win?


{Or, if your answer is "I don't know and I want to double check and read more, that's entirely fine}

[Cabd]

Then you should sort between Dan and Assemble tonight; and once you've made your choice and we talk it over with Hebi, we can lynch me slash A2. The timer is very quickly approaching and I'd rather lose via scum endgaming than lose to the clock.

[Cabd]

Yes. I think assemble may have flaked... saw them replaced out of another game iirc?

Lemme see if I can find it.

[Cabd]

I'm gonna be around all of today and tomorrow.

[Cabd]

Sure. See you tomorrow. Until everyone checks in; Walking out is an antitown move so nobody do it~

[Cabd]

Yeah, not sure what the heck that was.

[Cabd]

vote: priscilla-assemble

it's not really like the slot has done anything all game, regardless of who was in it.

Are you comfy with Dan such that if priscilla-assemble flips T-T I'm good to walk?

[Cabd]

In the end it goes back to the "two lines" theory.

Can only pick two of three.

[Cabd]

Eh, I don't.

[Cabd]

At the very least; neither of us should walk until we are 100% sure. I'd like at least 24 hours to data mine after a potential T-T flip; should it come to it.

[Cabd]

Oh don't worry hebi.

I will be here till the end. This won't go to deadline.

Either A2 and I walk; or you and Dan walk. But scum can only win this in endgame, not by the clock.

[Cabd]

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)

Just keeping that in every post I make today so it doesn't slip past us...

[Cabd]

It is sort of ironic that in the end almost everybody who was scumreading me heavily is now townreading me; but it doesn't really matter, heh.

[Cabd]

Cabd, I'd still like to know how you formed your reads previously.

Didn't miss this, FTR.

Mostly consensus and gut.

I didn't do any actual meta-ing for this game and haven't in my games since coming back from my hiatus. And not really planning to.

[Cabd]

Yeah. Give me like... 24 hours. Please don't suicide or anything stupid until then.

Dan and A2 should be treating this like lylo

[Cabd]

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)

Give me the first ~30 hours of this to scumhunt, please? I'm going to be throwing out my reads on both A2 and Dan; and re-reading the game knowing that everyone else's flips are known. You should probably do the same.

A2 and Dan should be casing each other. I guess in Dan's case, he can case me as well, but casing A2 serves the same results.

[Cabd]

Okay Cabd.
You're putting effort into this game now.

When I get home I am. You're not getting major effort without a keyboard. I've been mobile for nine hours.

[Cabd]

Home. Let me get a keyboard and dig in.

[Cabd]

Digging into ISOs.

[Cabd]

Also right now I don't like the fact that he's making me and Dan go at each others throats while he just sits and watches. He should be treating this as LyLo too ya know, but instead he's making us do all the work for him.

This isn't untrue. But it's mostly because I know I'm town and the game has basically come down to which of Hebi or I walk. We can do it the lynching way too but you know, same diff.

[Cabd]

Spoiler: All posts of Keyen this game, with some of them colored in but some of them are impossible to tell what is quotes or not so fuckit.jpg

Heyyyyyy

Lady Gigabyte

, you're a truly great person, will you take my hand and dance with me?

no hood talk is a no go, since hoods are fun

Agreeing here. I retract my invitation to dance with you,

giga

, hehehe. I really want someone to talk to in terms of hoods.

Just wanted to make sure if EoD means End of Day? Thanks xx

I'm going to sleep now and I expect this game to be 10 pages when I catch up loooool

I feel kinda excited and nervous playing with

LLD

.

Seriously, I think

hebichan

deciding who should be paired with takes away the fun of the game. I joined this game because of this mechanic. But meh, let's all have a fun game.

I'll catch up later. I'm on page 6.

All these talk about how we play this game is boring, party pooper, etc etc. Let's just do what we ought to do and let the game flow.

That avi is bad key.

A woman posing to take a picture in front of her pink lamborghini is not bad but okay ill change to a more appropriate one if i get a chance

keyenpeydee:

I'd like to know why you proposed to dance with Gigabyte out the gate. Nothing else interesting here.

Giga

is an amazing person and I would like to play with her <3 though I don't think I would be happy to dance with her since she doesn't like hoods. i'll think about this.

GigabyteTroubadour, care to dance?

I'm starting to feel jealous

Id like

maxous

to team up with

A2

actually.

Id hate

Cabd

to pair up with

A2

Please convince me on

Cabd

because I really do not understand that read.



and omg everyone wants me um...
I think I need some sleep and thinking about this before I decide the dude I want to dance with.

Pair with

maxous

I think both of you will do great

True story, I had a high school boyfriend who dumped me, then asked me to prom a week later 'as friends' while telling me not to worry if I declined because he had set up a back-up date with a mutual friend. Yes, I made sure to set that mutual friend up with someone else before turning the ex down. Don't do the backup thing, ha.

This is savage loool
and being a backup hurts
it feels like you're just an option.

That's all I have to say.

Lady Gigabyte, you're a truly great person, will you take my hand and dance with me?

While I'm still thinking about this, I'm still down for this.

I wish I had more to add to this game but nothing pops out that makes me want to comment so I'll just...sit here zzzz

All I can say rn is that

Priscila

is going to be my townread.

All I can say rn is that Priscila is going to be my townread.

What? Huh?

It means that

Priscila

is a leantown.

Key?

That was the first name that came to mind for me too for the record.

I feel very hurt

keyenpeydee - I really don't like this slot. I feel that they just want to get this phase out of the way, and join for a dance. No sorting of players, or showing it at least. This is who I'd leave out for the dance.

You're right. I really want to have a partner and play the game because this is why I signed up for this game. All these talks about how we should play the game is meh for me.

Actually, if I don't get a partner, it's fine for me to leave. I can feel this game will be more "personal" fights than actually playing the game.

My readlist

The people who I can confidently say they could be town:

Vecna

- his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.

Priscila

- though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.

Maxous

- townread because most of his posts I agree with.

Giga

- townlean

A2

- townlean

Maybe town:

Cabd

Penguin

Fire

LLD

- she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.

RC

MariaR

The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:

Dunnstral

- don't like his posts and anything about the slot.

Still trying to sort:

Mint

Action

Guys is this how you play mafia because I don't know how to

I have so many homeworks that I would really love to prioritize with so goodbye for now.

I'll pair with somebody who isn't as scummy

What do you mean by this?

Penguin

feels so town idk why

I was kinda scumreading

cabd

but i forgot why

Ali

you should've paired with

maxous

i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far

what are your thoughts there?

Idk what to think of

alisae

yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?

i'd be ok with max/hebi fwiw

Agreed with this.

Regarding

cabd

, i'd probably iso him tomorrow after my school which is going to be long hours from now.

i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far

what are your thoughts there?

Idk what to think of alisae yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?

Ya'll can let me deal with ALisae. We're gonna have a nice chat. Just me, Alisae, and a chair with rope.

Sucks that

alisae

danced with

you

lool

not happy about max/hebi

Could you explain why?

Penguin

is town but a 100% town seems a bit exaggerated.

Honestly I just haven't felt much at all from the priscilla reads at all.

I actually use my tone and gut when playing mafia, so based on her tone,

Priscila

does sound town, no? Still, I'm not convinced that she's town, just leaning town.

this is bs and I am prob auto leaving the dance

See I knew you'd say that. Can we just talk and not jump to conclusions about it? I want to get a good read on you this game and I'm not jumping to conclusions, if you feel I should be townreading you we can talk about it

You think I'm scum and I think you're scum what's the issue? We can just both leave and be done with it you say I am scum the

moment

you get any type of support not out of no where you only say it when someone else has the guts to say it first your thought process doesn't make sense you wouldn't feel bad for me if you really thought I was scum because you'd be thinking I was faking it I've told you more then 1 time scum me wouldn't dance with you if I was scum I would not dance with you at all it's stupid to wifom the risk thinking I can trick you or something like that so yeah you're scum and I'm leaving

I get town frustration here and I'm still convinced that both of these slots are town. I was actually scumreading

Dunn

until he posted where he said he thinks

MariaR

is scum and that actually felt sincere or appeasing? Idk, just felt he's town by that post. My opinion between these two pairs is just wait to have a PT, and you can sort each other there.

--

Also I remembered that I should explain why I was scumreading

Cabd

, and I think I still need to sort this slot since I'm getting a town vibes from him. I think the only thing I dislike from him is how he says he can read his wife which is kinda unbelievable for me. I get an impression of "Of course

P_A i

s his significant other, so why can't he read her?"

Not really sure if I'm actually correct that

P_a and Cabd

are really together irl, but most of what has been said, that's what I thought of them.

---

It appears people are having a rather hard time making up their mind who those townlocks are though.....

Maybe ill have to turn off my usual town-"charm" for a little while and try to cuddle up to people for a bit.

Do this and I can say you're scum from being too cuddly.

---

I don't think

Dunn

would fake a post like that I think it's a srs post but it's a NAI post

ugh, sorry

I really do feel like if you're town I'm ruining this game for you if you've been looking forward to it

Is this what you call sincere or appeasing?

Not sure if I'd go with sincere since

LLD

and

Hebi

said

Dunn

is appeasing.

--

Forgot to address something about

RC/LLD

, I think most people scumread them from being themselves, which if they're town, we'll lose a *could be* asset from town. Seriously, if both of them are town, this game will probably end with a town win.

--

I also think if

you and P_A

are scumm, you NEEDED to do this.

Me agrees here.

--

There's zero universes in which I draw scum with her and then both make a big show of being bummed I couldn't pair with her AND hard defending her to the point of citing one of my 100% tells. Why create that much attention to her? DO you think she's such a weak player that I'd have to defend her here instead of letting her do her own thing, or in the worst case, feeding her the answers from a scum topic?

This has a point actually

--

I invited her to this game with the intent that it'd be like playing together and fun.

Things changed once we entered the thread and mechanics breaking got involved. I haven't played this setup before in any depth. I didn't really bother exploring it till the game began and your "scortched earth breaking strats" came up.

This is by far the most summarized post I want to express in this game. This is why I don't really feel this game.

--

The interactions between

MariaR and Dunn

on page 34 just makes me convinced both of them are town.

--

Like literally half this game has been people going on about how they wanted to play this game with their friends, so we're sort of past the point of bias.

Oh my god yes
this is why i still don't have a partner
but this is also the reason why I asked

giga

because she's an amazing person

--

LLD

doing this "~" makes her tone feel scary but friendly

--

Wish we could just hurry this phase along already, this is all starting to resolve around inter-personal memes and drama and people trying to polish up their own ego

I love this post

--

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

This is by far the most scariest laugh I've ever read

--

I think that Keyen is the most likely to be pocketed and I am fine with seeing them gone

I've been here for 1 year but I still don't get the word "pocketing." Can someone please explain that to me?

--

Yeah im not really sure im interested in pairing up with Mintberry Crunch overly much, so ill just leave it up to Gigabyte whether im gonna participate in this game or not.

You can pair with

Giga

and I can pair with

Mint

because me and

Mint

need to sort each other out.

--

Um, you know Cabd and Penguin are married right?

Cabd

probably has some way to correctly read P_A.

@Keyen
can you talk to me about Cabd more?
Like
gimmie an actual case

If you read my above post, you'll see what I think of Cabd.

--

I still don't have a read on

Shiro

and

Dan

tbh.

--

If Penguin isn't scum then the last one should be in A2/Mint/Vecna/Gigabyte.

Why do you think Vecna and Giga are possible scums?

--

Done catching up. My free time is up and I need to study my lessons. Goodbye! Also, take note that these are my original thoughts and I change my mind a lot, so it's really better for people to see my thoughts before changing them. Apparently not posting my original thoughts and changing them is the reason why some people don't get me a lot.

Thanks for clarifying.

Except the thing is
if he was town
I probably woulda townread him already
and I don't care about his posts at all
and has he even been scumhunting???????????

You wouldn't townread me if you're scum, of course.

--

if Keyen was town
I am like
pretty sure I would be townreading him by now because he would have wrote something I care about

Aww too bad you're scum this game, Ali. I think I might actually scumread you for the same reason how you scumread me: If you were town, I would've probably townread you too. Also can you please link me a game where I'm town and I was all into scumhunting? I feel like all my games either town or scum doesn't involve a 100% scumhunting.

I think Cabd and Ali would make sense to partner together if they were scum. Feels like Cabd went to Alisae, which is his scumbuddy, when he couldn't partner with his wife. I actually want to say that P_A could be scum, but she's too town to be scum.

--

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353

Hmmm
I was into this game because there are fun people around like you, Ali, but what happened now? You rolled scum this game?

--

Well... I'll just go back to my yuri then...

Is Yuri a pokemon?

--

Please don't let Vecna be kicked out of the dance to dance with key

It's okay to not like me, RC.
But this actually has a point.
Vecna is a more asset to town than me.

--

Is everyone going to act like an ass to me because I scumread them?

They act like an ass to you because you state your scumreads without any explanation afterwards.

--

honestly I'm not but me getting called scum by everyone and everyone trying to leave my townreads out of the dance makes me very uninterested in trying to sort people.

You don't need to be self-centered when playing mafia games.

--

I am doing good. Excited for my pt!

A2, giga, and priscilla are all scummy. I think they all deserve death

Why is giga scum?

--

I am doing good. Excited for my pt!

A2, giga, and priscilla are all scummy. I think they all deserve death

your scumreads suck

Dunn is town even if I agree with this
The only part I only agree with his scumread is Alisae

--

how is priscilla scummy

and deadass how am i obvious scum lmfaooooooooooo

You're not scum

--

Hey Giggles
You should just take like
a tiny bit more effort
when reading me
because 90% of the time
you're wrong.

Just a recomendation

Because like
the only time you really correctly read me as town
was when you were scum imo.

i correctly scumread you as scum in xyzzys game

and my scumread of you isnt even that strong? what have you done that's town?

you're not at all fazed by p_a's tr on you?

Um
it's an early game TR
am I supposed to be fazed by that shit?

Giga

, let's dance together and destroy

Alisae

.

--

Then you clearly have 0 understanding of my play.

This is not the

Alisae

I know

--

dunn please you're so scummy it hurts.

He's not lol

and

still can't lynch me

BURN
--

Cowbells how much would you like to wagon a Dunnstral?
I would LOVE a Dunnstral wagon.

Eww no

--

Yeah we can do Dunfucko and then I'ma just Powerwagon Keyen and/or Fire after that.

Fire

can we wagon

Alisae

--

keyen is obvtown stop

Don't worry

giga

,

Ali

is scum this game, and we need to work together to destroy her

--

Okay Giggles
connect the dots for me
because I clearly do not get it.

If Mafia is real life
Scum's way of thinking is not clear
because they kill people
and that's very bad
like you are rn

--

Ya know what
I'ma just lurk till we start doing the thing where we lynch people and I get my hood with Cabd.
Pce

This is clearly scum trying to be town.

--

Okay Giggles
connect the dots for me
because I clearly do not get it.

have you ever seen scum keyen before?

like

think about players like creature who just are really bad at scum and cant fake a thought process so they get really nervous and dont do anything or implode in thread kind of

thats scum!keyen too

hes capable of playing it up and reading like newbtown but it generally doesnt last since he almost never comes up with substantial reads. i'm seeing thoughts and i'm seeing effort even if it's passive

This is one of the reason why you should partner with me because you can read me right.

--

Cabd and Me are friends
but our pairing formed naturally.

YEAH BECAUSE YOU PLANNED IT TOGETHER
stahp

alisae

stahp

--

Yeah I wish Hebi was not the conftown.

tbh I wish it was me so I could loldictator the pairings and end the game in 3 rl days.

This game would be terrible if that is because it will end in a scum win for sure

--

we can dance together inspired by jealousy

I'll protest when you two partners together

--

Then let's take to the floor, GBT!

I FEEL VERY HURT

--

Then let's take to the floor, GBT!

screams internally

i want to dance with all three of my options kms

IS THIS A YES

--

GBT we're both friendless, let's form a new friendship and be happy together.

STOP MANIPULATING

GIGABYTE

--

That's your scumbloc?

Mind leaving Key out of it then?

I don't think Key is scum ftr but

But you dislike me and that's very okay

--

Key hasn't really been engaged with the game at all.

Sorry
School is hard sometimes
and I need to prioritize school first
and the only time I can play Mafia is my free time
so I'm desperate to read the game without actually giving any thoughts.
I'm more active on Friday and Saturday.

--

Giga/Priscilla good pair.

I disagree

--

Seriously
if

Vecna

is just a lady, we could pair, and

Giga

and

Priscila

could pair together.

--

i want dan's thoughts not yours raybells.

pedit: keyen is obvtown stop

Im just gonna come out here and say this......

Even knowing that hes like my direct confrontation for a partnering, and itll look iffy for me to say so......

But of the 5 remaining players I think Keyen should be left out because at least theres a little chance he flips scum. His lasts few posts seem to be a little too "in the grain, and buddy-buddying".

Still think he's most likely town, but id prefer the person to be left out to be Keyen, or maaaaybe Dan because he doesnt seem as active.

Priscilla, Maxous and me will probably add more to the game - even though Maxous and Priscilla are probably going to be slightly stubborn persons to argue with.

If I hurt the game with my lack of contribution, I'd be fine being left out though it will hurt town and my feelings.

--

Maxous scumreads are shit loool

It sucks that I'm more active when people are inactive.

It feels like people saying that I need to be left out feels like scumdriven.

And town are agreeing with that

Like seriously everybody townreads me but anyone wants me to leave lol

Just scumread me, it's much better.

Like seriously everybody townreads me but everyone wants me to leave lol

EBWOP

I will start to ignore Alisae now because he's a fucking scum

The main reason you scumread me is because you think I'm 0% scumhunting. You don't even read my thoughts on the game and how i try to play the game.

If you're scum, you win, because I can't even fucking handle being pressured.

You're acting like if I'm town, you are townreading me now which is complete bullshit

Don't play with me again Ali if you're going to read me for dumb reasons

Like most of my games here doesn't involve a 100% scumhunting lol

The main reason you scumread me is because you think I'm 0% scumhunting. You don't even read my thoughts on the game and how i try to play the game.

If you're scum, you win, because I can't even fucking handle being pressured.

My main concerns is your progression over me and that you're points on me is just you attempting to win a debate and not a genuine evaluation of those posts.

That's my thoughts on you and you should deal with it.

Lol if everybody thinks that I am weak player, then i'll go ahead and leave this game. I just want you all to know that yall should be sure that yall are doing the right choices.

It's up to giga if she wants me to play the game or nah

Yeah because I feel confident in my ability to read you?
Am I not supposed to feel confident in my ability to read you?

You're confidence is strong, but I hate to disappoint you, you're reading me wrong.

You want me to replace out?
I can do that.

Like you replacing out would make my slot better
People are still going to want me out of this game because I'm "too weak."

If not you, then who should be booted out?

Can someone please explain to me how Mint Berry Crunch should not be booted out other than me? Thank you.

Mechanically impossible due to gender not being male

But if no one asks her?

Yeah why not?

I could just leave the dance if she's really scum

Sure, but that doesn't mean she'll accept it.

Oops I thought Mint was a she loool
He's lady in this game

I disagree that it's natural to call Dunn/MariaR a town pair and then let them decided in their Pt or the emergence of a scum read on A2 and subsequent reassignment of Cabd as scum. The latter of which is either completely reactive, or you know, fake.

As far as I know, my thoughts are my thoughts and it's not my problem if you think it's fake.

Then we shouldn't pair.

Honestly, I think it's much better if I'll just leave the dance. It's a wise decision for people to enjoy the game and for me to finally take a break from playing mafia.

Giga and Vecna should pair. I'm confident that both of these slot are town.

Priscila

should be with

Hebi

.

Mint

and

Dan

are the ones who I don't townread at all, so I could confidently say they could flip scum.

I don't think I can trust Priscila with Hebichan though. Vecna and Hebi should be together fwiw.

I would like you in over Dan right now.

Why?

Uhm I think I misread that. Can you elaborate more, RC?

If my choice is Dan or Key, I'm not dancing.

Then don't. It could benefit town.

I know that I'm town
so it's between you and Dan who could possibly flip scum.

Can you prod LLD just to ensure she's playing?

GBT pair with me
Vecna should be with Hebi

hebi/key, me/you, pris/mint,

Sounds a great plan!

Hebi

, wanna dance with me?

I love hoods and we can talk to each other there.

Giga and me aren't scumbuddies.
The reason I only want to dance with her is because I want to play with her regardless of her alignment, but I'm pretty sure she's town here.

youve been saying the entire game youd prefer me over key, but now hes suddenly your strongest townread? and youre trying to force keyen to stay in even though the majority seems to want him out?

I think she prefers to pair with you because she's your friend. She wants me to stay because she thinks I'm town and I can say that she knows how to read me.

i really want to take vecna or keyen dont make this harder on me to decide

like im kind of spiteful that three pairs were basically formed because ~friends~ so i want to pair with people im friends with \_O_/

I don't know if this is one or the main reason she actually wants to pair with you, but at least she said this ^

Gigabyte, I'm confident that you're town, take my hand and dance with me, please?

Hi giga

Hallo

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This is the incredibly relevant reads list one though.

My readlist

The people who I can confidently say they could be town:

Vecna - his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.
Priscila - though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.
Maxous - townread because most of his posts I agree with.
Giga - townlean

A2 - townlean

Maybe town:

Cabd
Penguin

Fire

LLD - she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.
RC
MariaR

The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:

Dunnstral - don't like his posts and anything about the slot.

Still trying to sort:

Mint

Action

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For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?

Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.

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For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?

Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.

Like I can state with near 100% certainty that her PT from the interlude is her telling Maxious how town I am. And that I'm being lazy.

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For the record: The reaosn I dislike playing with players like Firebringer is because they do this shitty "make a billions posts, none of them with reads or sustaince" thing as both alignments and get away with it. At least he had an excuse here.

I'll tr u A2 if you vote actiondan

Lynch dan tomorrow.

The two most relevant quotes; both coming after he'd walked out knowing what his flip would be AGH.

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GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.

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Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.

On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.

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I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.

I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.

cut. I strongly advise all unpaired girls to try and pair if possible. you can be choosy, but pair.

If this is a bus I'm very proud of you dan. Especially the "cascade" thing is just so likely to come from town.

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There's plenty of evidence to support it.

Care to share? There's a good chance you're dead tonight if town

This post contains it

Also A2's original case about Key is indeed a case coming from town.

:~( This can't be true sentiment AND factual at the same time.

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No matter who it is there was heavy bussing :~(

Fuck.

I came into this expecting it to be very clearly and obviously A2.

Plus my gambit.

But now... ugh.

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)

One more day to get it right.

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. I was really hoping everyone else would be around tonight.

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What do you mean by hammertest?

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There aren't any votes on the table at the moment?

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I mean; I won't, but if you're gonna hammertest me, it's functionally the same as just lynching Dan from your point of view. The second I don't hammer; dan becomes confirmed scum to you.

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Like
uggggggh
Can you actually sort us?

Do you not think that's what I'm working on?

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That's about a third of the way right.

I'm hoping and praying one of you does something that will give me the confidence to state which of the two of you it is.

But I'm still trying without that hope for the other two thirds. I'm certainly not done with my re-read and casing yet. I legit put my wife to sleep and told her I'd see her in a few hours, because given work won't let me near a PC tomorrow; today is ~IT~ unless the day tomorrow is as devoid of action as today was.

The timeline dictates that this time tomorrow; we need a decision.

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I fully admit I am both happy to be hammertested and yet also not looking forward to being confirmed town because then the decision weighs more heavily on me. I don't envy hebi right now.

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Ever since you failed the gambit; I've wanted to throw my hands up, go "fuck it" and walk.

I'm not because I owe the rest of the player list at least a re-read before I confbias on a single self-led gambit read.

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Not to mention; if you are town I can hopefully see that in the re-read.

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My kingdom for hebi to be around. And Dan. I wish all four of us were here right now singing.

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TBH i just need sanity and somebody to tell me that walking out instead of trying to deal with this is the wrong option.

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When I can't yet make up my mind; the gut wants to fall back to earlier bias with the gambit.

As I said, I don't envy you.

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The only relevant thing from my QT is the gambit, though. Everything else was just banter back and forth. No major reads lists were discussed. I recall posting something to the effect of "not bothering until after intermission's done" because of how annoyed I was at the day getting cut so short slash apathy.

I'll go re-read the PT now and see if anything else is really relevant.

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On July 30th, a scumread on Maria and Firebringer was expressed.

It was re-affirmed on July 31st iirc right after the LLD flip.

At that point it was also expressed a pretty-good townread on me by way of "keyen didn't like you two pairing up"

A2 also accepted that my read on penguin was genuine regardless of my own alignment.

Late July 31st expresses a scumread of Maxious.

A2 thought the game ended with MAria dead; expressed townreads on Dan, Priscilla. (August 5th)

Expresses shifting read slash paranoia of Dan on the 5th as well.

My stupid gambit goes off at aorund 11:45 PM Chicago time on the 5th.

Four minutes later the reply was "staaaaahp trolling meee" with a few letetrs shifted around to not be a direct quote.

August 6th, A2 expresses "The second I townread Dan, I'm leaving the dance."


That's the TLDR; at the very end A2 talks about trying to POE the game.

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TBH i just need sanity and somebody to tell me that walking out instead of trying to deal with this is the wrong option.

Look, I town read you 100% at this point, and I should make this decision here.

I know this, but yet.

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I'm sure the dead PT is having a hoot because it's probably super obvious or something :~(

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Firebringer

Let's get this time-limited show on the road, I guess.

?

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I did, I was the last or second to last vote. I wanted to vote Dunstral but due to the game having limited time I went onto the fire wagon instead.

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Can I just walk? I just wanna walk.

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Because that's ALSO my verdict.

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If dan is scum here; he did a VERY good job of the bussing.

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Whereas all of Alisae's votes and bussing if scum came from emotion and after the two flips with scum a bunch of... nada.

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The thing holding me back right now is the conversational fire and A2 had. But I can see that being fun "let's bus and kiss ITT" planning.

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Is dan around?

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I don't see myself going any other way than this. I'm sorry to town if I'm wrong. If Dan is scum he deserves this win.

Sorry Hebi, if I'm wrong you can call me an idiot postgame.

Leave the Dance

Self-voting has the same effect since Dan can't vote anywhere other than me, and your vote is already down on me.

GG.. to somebody.

A2 come claim your alignment now please.

Dan, same.

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it's over. it's finally fucking over.

GODS AGGHHHHHHHHHHHH THIS FUCKING GAME

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HRUITVHGRUIVTHGRWUIVNTHGRUITNHRUWITHNWRIVTNHWR


Sigh.

One of you two claim so I know what happened and can sleep.

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Also, screw you for going offline right before I left the dance, fakegod.

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END MY TORTURE JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

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I SEE YOU IN SITECHAT ONLINE DAN

COME ON AND JUST SAY IT

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YOU TOO ALISAE.

YOU ARE BOTH ONLINE COME ONNNNN

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Stop trolling?

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Or did my stupid ass fucking gambit actually win this fucking game?

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Dan plz say you were town. PLZ

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I NEED FUCKING SLEEP GUYS OKAY

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Goddamn it. Alisae you had me pocketed so goddamn hard until the end. That stupid gambit is the thing that made me reconsider.

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There's a dan post that won this game for him.

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GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.

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Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.

On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.

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I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.

I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.

cut. I strongly advise all unpaired girls to try and pair if possible. you can be choosy, but pair.

If this is a bus I'm very proud of you dan. Especially the "cascade" thing is just so likely to come from town.

The re-reading of this post won us the game. If you're both not trolling

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You never gave one, and were I her, I'd find that unsettling.

Thankfully, you aren't. Sometimes there's things about what a person DOESNT say that are readable; but it takes spending years with somebody to pick up on them.

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Yeah Hebi
we thought Maxous and P_A were just a lot more dangerous then you two when Dan had 0 Charisma and tbh you weren't much of a threat Hebi.

It wasn't to make me cry? Because you made me cry.

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Yeah that too, Hebi.

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I can't leave when I'm the only person on my scumteam that can potentially carry.

No as in like.. two hours ago when I was waffling.

You should have been playing up the threats to leave here; not just in our PT.

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Yeah. You played really well.

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Your life is never in the gutter. There's always the CCCP couchsurf special.

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The Chicago scummer group.

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I was too. Then I got gud

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?

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It wasn't a troll yay.

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Now I understand that gambit more fully.

I probably would have shrugged it off, but hey I guess it worked

It was incredibly stupid and transparent. But it caught alisae unaware at just the right time I guess?

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Regfan I'm flattered but there was nothing that great about my play.

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A2 was technically playing to wincon as scum soooo