Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[RadiantCowbells]

I would like to dance with LLD for various reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would be down for this if FG would be more progressive in terms of pairing options.

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I don't want to pair with Hebi because it gives scum a very easy nightkill target.
I don't want to pair with GBT because she can't read me and she knows it so it'll be very easy for someone else (scum) to persuade her to drop out of the dance if she's town.
I would be okay with pairing up with MariaR because I think that most of the time I can read her and she'd be less likely to drop out because other people told her to.
I don't want to pair with Shiro for various reasons that I don't feel like getting into.
I would be okay pairing with Penguin_Alien because I don't know them and it could be interesting but I'm pretty sure Cabd wants to pair with them (obviously.)
I feel like I will have no ability to read A2 in a hood so I want to avoid them.
I am reasonably comfortable in my ability to read LLD, I think she will also want to pair with me, we're sorta nk baity if we're both town but it keeps all the paranoia onto one slot, and I think it would be fun to pair with her in general.
I don't know Mint Berry Crunch.

[RadiantCowbells]

So it's sorta

{LLD}
{Penguin/Maria}
{Mint/A2}
{Others}

for me

[RadiantCowbells]

During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's zero benefit to 'scorched earth' given that there's no standard nightkills. It's no different then forcing pairs and lynching certain pairs. I don't at all support it.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's also the side penalty that it prevents a significant set of people from actually playing the game which isn't fun at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would be voting LLD if this were a standard game where we could vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't scumread Cabd necessarily and I'm not sure where that's coming from though.

[RadiantCowbells]

LLD and I have never played a game together as far as I can remember. Maybe a long time ago. I can't prove that she should respect my scumgame like I respect hers but we've had interactions that I gut feel indicate that she would. So let's unpack this. She explicitly takes the time to bring up that Cabd is the person she would be most scared of if they were scum. Potentially true, sure? But I think it was deliberately said to make a show of her not being scared of me. I think that she's concerned that I would be difficult to deal with in a PT and wants someone that she feels that she would be more comfortably able to pocket as opposed to someone both with my own scum play to use as guidelines vs her as well as just being unpredictable and difficult as town in general.

I don't know much about Cabd's scum game, perhaps he's actually really good at scum. But I don't think she brings that up in the situation that she did unless it wasn't explicitly to give an alternate theory to my own 'I want to be matched with the most dangerous scum player because I feel like I am most able to deal with that slot properly, both in terms of not paranoia leaving when we're both town and not being pocketed.' It was out of place in her ISO, don't really see where it was coming from as town, but it serves a clear purpose as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I promise you if I dance with RC I will instantly blow myself up day 1. He thinks I'm scum, this should be good right?

Why?

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to dance with you not just because I'm concerned about you rolling scum but because I think I can comfortably townread you if you're town and not go paranoia hara kiri on you.
I was assuming that you would see the situation in somewhat the same light, but that's clearly not true here.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I feel like I should point out that agreeing to partner up just so that she can take us both out of the game is hardly agreeing to partner up at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

Giga you can't read me so you're going to have a paranoia fit on me in one game and it might be this one so I'm very wary of pairing with you because I feel like if fire and dunn or whoever sit there calling me scum later in the game you will not be confident enough in your read not to just leave the dance.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think LLD is scum and there's a large part of me that wants to just take her up on that offer and just both leave.

sorry but when i'm principled about something i stick to it - i'm not leaving this dance ever because i'm pairing with town.

we agree on not pairing together at the very least but i really dont know why you would think i wouldn't stick to my word here

Stuff like you being persuaded to vote MariaR in the radianttroubadour game. You're easily swayed to doing dumb stuff when people are clamouring for you to do things.

[RadiantCowbells]

fire thats not even scummy

I think LLD is scum and there's a large part of me that wants to just take her up on that offer and just both leave.

sorry but when i'm principled about something i stick to it - i'm not leaving this dance ever because i'm pairing with town.

we agree on not pairing together at the very least but i really dont know why you would think i wouldn't stick to my word here

Stuff like you being persuaded to vote MariaR in the radianttroubadour game. You're easily swayed to doing dumb stuff when people are clamouring for you to do things.

fair enough, but i think there's a huge difference between self-voting and suiciding here. the former i might do if my partner is scummy later in the game but you specifically said i would suicide which is why i dont get your thought process here

Get it or don't I think that if we got to 4 way and got into a long drawn out battle of wills and were both town then you would end up leaving before the town in the opposition would.

[RadiantCowbells]

Gigabyte is a they, and also a lady in this game and therefore not in contention for being left out of the dance.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dance with me, LLD?

[RadiantCowbells]

Seen this AtE a thousand times. Not happy about having to die for this but I'm not risking LLD getting away.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're the one who said you're autoleaving the dance sweetheart.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh honey I was embarassed the moment everyone in this room saw me dancing with you.

[RadiantCowbells]

=]

[RadiantCowbells]

Well this is boring the only reason I accepted this early was to sarcastically flirt with LLD. Now I have to actually play the game or something.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can I act like I know you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why is Fire your top townread :c

[RadiantCowbells]

Hebi you need to be paired with locktown please. I am not townreading Fire enough to be okay with this.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why? Why would I ever pair with confirmed town when there is a nightkill.

Fire is my scummiest townread.

Oh yeah I was still counting on me baiting a nightkill.

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't bother. let people pair up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Making spreadsheets of summon stats for DND tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

dunbunhun <3

[RadiantCowbells]

whoa are you implying we're both scum?

that's rude.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk I feel like you should know that if we were really scum theatre ing you wouldn't be able to tell it's scum theatre ing, y'know?

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whoa are you implying we're both scum?

that's rude.

maybe it's just one of you but regardless i would not want your pair into LYLO.

both your reasonings for wanting to suicide on each-other are weak and not overly believable.

I'm hurt.

[RadiantCowbells]

Giga, I strongly recommend not accepting that right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

~reason~

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

[RadiantCowbells]

Violent.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm concerned that you are not town-aligned and would prefer Giga to be matched with someone that I am comfortably townreading.

[RadiantCowbells]

Is either she or me supposed to be in some sort of hurry
Okay so are we scumbuddies? You think that this is the best that either of us can do in terms of making a SvS pairing?
Idk man you gotta know better.

[RadiantCowbells]

then I think it's a gambit terrible done.

why would I want to automatically walk out before I can try to influence the lynch?
if you were lovers with mod confirmed scum would you want to be lynched immediately or would you want the pair of you to be lynched when you'd contributed to the game?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah Priscila, stop making everyone else suck.

[RadiantCowbells]

Priscila, can I persuade you to dance with either Hebi or Gigabyte?

[RadiantCowbells]

Penguin, you say Mint is scummy but it doesn't feel like you've sorted him. Your reads and interactions with Hebichan feel like you're trying to pocket her. Your engagement with me doesn't feel genuine. I don't feel like you're town much anymore.

Let's dance.

Fuck off, you're not dancing with someone to commit suicide. I would like you to pair with a townread of mine.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I townread you and I'm trying to get two pairings that I'm confident are town/town to bring to endgame.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can I ask everyone to do as I say and not as I do in terms of not pairing with scumreads for the purpose of committing suicide?

[RadiantCowbells]

Cabd, if you want to dance with Penguin because OOG reasons I'm not going to stop you. But in game I do believe that I am at the very least wary of this because I feel like in general pairs are better at pocketing each other than reading each other.

If you pair with her and declare her locktown I'm not going to follow you off of that read, I've been burned way too many times on that before.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you think I'm upset you've misread my tone.

You have a pretty blunt way of putting things which can read as pretty aggressive friendo

I don't read anything on the past two pages as aggressive or upset from Priscila so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fuck off, you're not dancing with someone to commit suicide.

I mean this is the only aggressively worded thing I can find in like the last few pages and it was from me and wasn't really meant aggressively so I'm sort of confused here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless you're referring to something pre page 17 I have no idea what you're referring to.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see much benefit in pairing with Hebichan or giga personally - Hebichan if I want her to be for sure paired with town but I would prefer to pair with someone I don't townread so that I can get a better read on them and take them out of the game if I end up strongly scumreading them. If we don't have someone that I townread to pair with Hebichan I will go there but I would prefer that Cabd and Penguin don't pair up and the only other person I trust to read Penguin here would be Maxous probably.

You are more valuable for your obvtown status than your ability to read people in hoods.

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll just have to take my word for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well look who is claiming scum not even knowing that I'm town aligned.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly kind of think LLD is more townie than you.

@pedit at rc.

woof. bark.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's okay I only have to pocket LLD and she'll be the reason that I have a free walk to a win in 4 way.

[RadiantCowbells]

aggressively pockets Alisae

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I don't agree to scorched earth: it's much more likely to kill town than scum since all scum ladies will find a way to accept anything that comes their way and scum gentlemen can at the very least attempt to ask hebichan or potentionally their scum partner or honestly just work the entire floor. In any case the scum gentleman/ladies are going to have a much much easier time of staying alive than their counterparts. That's not even taking into account apathy, which barely a day into this game is affecting me when I come back to the thread and see 10 pages filled with metric tons of bullshit. Any town that signs up for a scorched earth plan that feels apathetic to the game will find appeal in just dying. It's exactly the same as if town suicides early if they feel they got stuck with a scum partner. And lastly, I see no appeal in getting scum "off balance" by forcing them to take their kill early. They shoot a mostly random town/town pair and the town is no better off for it.

I can't read most of you for shit. Maxous and GBT are town reads. Everyone else is a work in progress

I really like this post.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I was going through ISOs one by one and this stuck out.

[RadiantCowbells]

The concept of bringing stuff up to look useful isn't something that I would even consider as scum.

If I'm scum I brought it up for a lot more interesting of a reason than that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes and stay there until I say you can come out

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in my pocket obviously

[RadiantCowbells]

Listening to the wind of change

August summer night soldiers passing by listening to the wind of chaaaange

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What happened to RC having to die first LLD?

Youve already moved on to change the narrative, or did you already go 3/3 in finding scum?

Alisae, how come you are actually appearing completely unafraid of getting pocketed again this game? Youre joking around about it quite a lot, but apparently youre not even realizing what is being said when it comes to the pairings.

are you really still pushing the 2 scum narrative

[RadiantCowbells]

My apologies if my use of terms of endearment towards you was part of the problem for you. I was not at all serious if that helps.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fire I'm not sure what you expect me to do differently here.

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record I was very excited by this game because I've heard a lot about LLD's as a player and I thought it would be really fun to have the opportunity to play with her, especially with the dance mechanic. I understand that there's some playstyle clashes here and I'm not at all surprised but can everyone please do me a personal favour and try to get along?

[RadiantCowbells]

That was the first name that came to mind for me too for the record.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cabd is choice #2 probably.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would be happy to see Penguin/Cabd because I sort of scumread them both.

[RadiantCowbells]

Going to have to agree to disagree there.

[RadiantCowbells]

not happy about max/hebi

[RadiantCowbells]

because I don't confidently TR max and hebi pairing is one that we should be comfortable bringing to endgame if its not shot

[RadiantCowbells]

if you keep making shitty pairing with 1 towny / 1 scummy person then whether we have a pair to bring to endgame that's towny is nothing but luck

To the contrary. If my current townread on Alisae proves incorrect; then I can leave. Might make people calling for my blood happier anyways. Whoever pairs with penguin needs to be 100% town because she is. And me pairing with penguin was obviously just going to get us autolynched, which would be a great way to lose town slots immediately.

No, she's not 100% town.

[RadiantCowbells]

alright then.

Priscila, sorry to burn you but PA is in fact scum so force them to pair up with you so you can walk out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry Cabd but I've been here so, so many times with pairings like this where one side gets hard pocketed. I don't trust your ability to read her as much as I trust her ability to fool you and I independently scumread her.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you have a scumread in that pile then it would be beneficial for you to pair up with them so that you can take someone down with you, no?

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I was entirely against the idea but if this is a situation where Cabd is going to get hard pocketed by scum P_A then the only option is the nuclear one.

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Further, P_A is a lady and is going to get a partner regardless of what we attempt to do. In fact I think that it's reasonably likely that no more of the remaining gentlemen are scum.

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And like it's really wrong of you to say stop like it's been doing. I've put the idea down every time it's come up and made a point of saying that I think it's bad. But it's reasonably likely that if PA is scum and Cabd is town that Cabd can keep PA alive to endgame.

And PA is like third on my list of top scumreads so that's not something that I'm at all okay with. Especially when there's no super towny pairs to bring to LyLO because towny people keep pairing with scummy people.

[RadiantCowbells]

And really, pariah? I don't have personal experience with LLD's scumgame but I've heard her described as very similar to Frozen Angel but with better grammar, worse general towntelling, and more long term strategic thinking.
If she's even comparable to FA then I would never be okay with me not having the nuclear launch codes on her. If there was someone I could trust in this game not to get pocketed or to trust my reads if I was sure she was scum, I would let them. There isn't.

Cabd is already paired up, the pocket is burst already.

Doesn't mean that Cabd can't make it virtually impossible for a lynch on PA to go through by hard defending her the entire game. The problem isn't just solved by them not being paired.
If scum!PA pairs with someone who will not take her down then Cabd's hard defense of her will fairly easily bring her to endgame with their only competition being something like GBT/Priscila, and I'm sorry GBT but after you switched your vote to Maria in that game I do not at all trust you to not get peer pressured by PA/pocketedtown to not collapse near the endgame and walk out.

There are not enough towny pairs for me to feel at all safe relying on process of elimination to solve the game. I want to have the ability to eliminate my scumreads directly.

[RadiantCowbells]

You yourself said that there's no one that you'd feel safer paired up with LLD than me. Why am I suddenly a pariah for making the decision that everyone in the game knew was the right one?

I think I was the one who brought up LLD as dangerous scum to you, because I live with her and have lost to her scum on multiple occasions.

But she openly said she was going to kill you, and now I don't want to see the pair survive past the first dance, so yes. It feels like a pariah move to ask the person who outright said she would suicide on you to dance.

I already knew both by reputation and because I read through her scummy nommed game last year and some of her games in 2015.
I made what I believe was the right decision. If you have a problem with what I did then I would love to have you explain it to me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like sorry but if you have a problem with what I did I would love for you to explain what your problem is and what I should have done differently. If LLD actually is town and blows up on me at the start of D1 that's her affair.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want someone paired with P_A who will kill her if she needs to die.

[RadiantCowbells]

That was my way of softening the blow to P_A specifically.

But basically my deadlist before the nightkill is [Dunn/Maria] + [P_A/x] unless either PA or Dunn does something super towny and I'll make my decision on whether to step out on LLD when day 2 starts.

and raybells can you not ignore me - i really would like to see some substance to that read because i'm not seeing it beyond what i already mentioned.

The read is my own and I'm not going to be explaining it at this time, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you want me/LLD dead because you scumread me, scumread LLD, or both?

[RadiantCowbells]

wtf did I do to you hebi and RC.

You paired up with obvscum. Shouldn't have paired up with Dunn so quickly and I would have gladly paired up with you if we could have forced LLD/Dunn or something and forced them to both die.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you want me/LLD dead because you scumread me, scumread LLD, or both?

I want LLD dead because I can't read her and I never could. I want you dead because both you and LLD have shifted your position to, "Eh maybe we'll live, at least for a bit." and after the point where you both seemed to want each other dead, it makes me uncomfortable to leave you alive because LLD LOVES busing and making enemies of her scum buddies.

I simply can't abide that chance. I can't let the pair live because I don't trust myself to not get sweet talked by LLD unless I just put my foot down and say this can not be tolerated.

So it boils down to a policy lynch on LLD?

For the record, I never said I was going to instantly blow her up. I scumread her and to an extent I still do. But I paired up with her to go both ways. I don't want her getting policy killed if she's in fact town and I don't want her living if she's scum. I also haven't said that I townread her: I said that I am not blowing her up in the first day phase.

Do you think that I'm town, and if so, do you trust me to make the judgement that you don't trust yourself to make?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I don't trust anyone with LLD. At all. Go read our PYP game where she snowed me and then convinced katsuki to kill confirmed town in LYLO.

It wouldn't be a policy lynch if she didn't publicly state she wanted to blow you up though. I intend to hold her to her own promise. You accepted knowing she said so, I don't like you trying to convince me to let you live either.

me getting the cop inno lynched after I lynched every single unconfirmed player. I mean I'm impressed, but not overly so.

Honestly, its half policy lynch and half, I would do the same to anyone who actively said they would kill themselves and then didn't.

If you want to flip so badly, flip.

I never said this. You're conflating something that LLD did that you think is scummy with me. I want to have a say in scum lynches and I can't have that if I immediately walk out on LLD.
And for the record: if I do end up townreading LLD, and with my track record of reading very good scum players, I will end up defending her.

I believed that, if she was town she was rxn testing me with the claim to autokill me and that if she was scum she was attempting to deter me from trying to pair with her.

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And I say again that you respect us both as scum players. Do you think that both of us as super scary scum would have made a play that made the game universally wary of us and put us at the forefront of the game?

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Like there's an issue with your dichotomy where you acknowledge that LLD at the very least can fool you but then scumread something that she did without considering that if we were SvS we'd do something different.

I would have never consented to this as a scum strategy. Tbh I would have tried very very hard to convince her to let me bus her but if that failed we'd certainly not pair up and put 2/3 of scum at the risk of being policy lynched for double paranoia and questions about why we weren't NKed if we were townread. And if we really HAD to pair up, we'd have done it more convincingly.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll deal with dunn yall do w/e

You're the one who scum read him.... What did you expect to happen?

I said yes before he posted any content
Pedit: No in fact I'm the most obv town player here lol

Good joke

Why don't you post some content instead of being useless with your shade throwing or is asking for some content from you too much?

Probably too much to be honest, I am obviously a useless hindrance to the game and should kill myself irl

Please don't. If the game is making you feel like this then replace out.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do I have to say to LLD right now?

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Like again this should be something you BoP: do you think either of us as SvS are bad enough to not interact with each other? We don't have much to say to each other in public and what we do have to say can be said in hood. I have little to say to her and I'm not at all surprised that she has little to say to me either.

LLD not talking to me and having you do it instead is exactly how she would handle a SVS or SVT here. She knows she can't convince me, so if she has her partner who is probably town do it, I might just be convinced.

But no, I am content to let let you burn in the pyre you built for yourself.

If we're SvT then trust me to make that decision.

[RadiantCowbells]

Kind of annoying, if my current reads are correct we allready cannot lynch scum anymore with this dance-pairing

I agree that the remaining gentlemen are town!

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At least: I agree that they probably are. Maxous/Key could be scum slots and I'd be very happy to see Key removed from play, no offense. But I don't expect to see a gentleman scum flip.

What basis do I have for you to do that?

Arguing to live is not pro-town. Let your flip speak for itself.

Because LLD is not guilty until proven innocent any more than I am and I've dealt with years of this pseudo-PL bullshit and I'm tired of it.

Hey RC, I have a statement for you;

Ive never seen you care so much about people their read on you, or care so much about living as youre doing right now.

Why does it feel much more like youre just trying to make people back off by throwing so many words at them that they just tire of arguing with you?

Because this is a weird situation and I think everything will be clear in postgame but I don't expect anyone besides FakeGod who I detailed my thoughts to give to dead thread to understand what I am doing right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Starting ground: I do not fundamentally agree that LLD's 180 is scummy because I do not fundamentally agree that regardless of alignment LLD ever had the plan to automatically blow up on me.

I think that she said that she did either

1) As town, because she wanted to test my reaction to it and get information on my alignment and she carries on making the claim to try to get a reaction out of me.
2) As scum, because she wanted to try to scare me off but realized that if she backed down it would look worse so decided to just go for it and see what happened.

honestly, if she is town, LLD will just blow herself up on RC, so I'm not even sure why I'm bothering.

I don't think that regardless of alignment LLD ever planned to just autoblow up on me and you thinking that she did versus me disagreeing is why my read should take precedence.

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And Vecna? I don't do this as scum either. So at the very least you should recognize this is

weird play

because it's driven my out of game concerns about the idiocy of just policy lynching me and LLD for being me/LLD.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok Firebringer, but if Maria is scum and Dunn is town what does it matter which one of them we lynch, because once we lynch one of them, we lynch BOTH of them! Party favours for everyone!

Hey we need to talk because we haven't scum theatred enough and people are catching on.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vecna I support you/GBT ftr.

[RadiantCowbells]

WHYD O YOU WANT PRISCILA OUT DEAR LORD

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you really scumreading me to the point that you're doing your best to do exactly what I don't want you to do?

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to see priscila's reaction to the past few hours before making a judgement call there 100% because I liked some of the posting but nothing of the more recent items.

You don't like them because you townread P_A and are scumreading Priscila for disagreeing with you on that read.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maxous, what do you think about me and the accusations made against me?

i would guess you're town.
the only accusation i can remember from the the top of my head is LLD saying that you contradicted yourself about scumreading her but i didn't think much of it.

I have been calling him on lack of content and appealing to Maria and think he should very much be hung. RC also scumreads him.

I want to move on from the LLD/RC thing because it will either sort itself out or it won't and there's a lot more heads to bang for information.

p-edit: I would like Priscila or Vecna out. I would like Maxous or Action Dan as a partner.

Here's whatll happen; You pair with Maxous or Action dan - both will probably remain widely townread, and you'll give scum the easiest intermission-killchoice ever.

The point is to have MULTIPLE locktown pairings.

I want at least 2: Hebi+Townread, Giga+Townread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Priscila is the best gentleman and stays and that's non-negotiable.
I would rather not get rid of Vecna but I can live with that decision being made.

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And for the record, LLD, you haven't addressed any of my statements regarding your intent with declaring that you were going to kill me. Is that something you planned on doing?

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I don't think Dunn would fake a post like that I think it's a srs post but it's a NAI post

ugh, sorry

I really do feel like if you're town I'm ruining this game for you if you've been looking forward to it

Dunn's town

This is nai but we're lynching you guys anyway so

[RadiantCowbells]

It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

Oh really? Refresh me as to whose scum again?

LLD/Penguin_Alien/Dunnstral

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P_A is given away by the fact that she isn't responding to any of my attempts to push on her because she can't push on me without pushing on you at the same time.
You were given away by your terrible reaction to my attempt to partner with you and your partnership with P_A was given away by the way you approached Cabd/P_A.
Dunn was well obvscum and it's really obvious that you two are at blows in scumchat by the way that you're talking in game.

I must say that I'm rather disappointed.

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It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

Oh really? Refresh me as to whose scum again?

LLD/Penguin_Alien/Dunnstral

Townreading every single one of these

Well that's unfortunate.

But they're all dying.

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I wanted to try to convince LLD that she had me pocketed and get her to bus her scumteam first but this game is toxic and I just want it to be over at this point.

So wait what's your objection to lynching Dunnstral/MAria and then LLD/RC if it would get 2/3 scum?

Like, this makes your previous objections about my lynch ideas even weirder.

What I said above. Also, you aren't going to lynch P_A when I'm dead with hardpocketed Cabd.

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P_A is given away by the fact that she isn't responding to any of my attempts to push on her because she can't push on me without pushing on you at the same time.
You were given away by your terrible reaction to my attempt to partner with you and your partnership with P_A was given away by the way you approached Cabd/P_A.
Dunn was well obvscum and it's really obvious that you two are at blows in scumchat by the way that you're talking in game.

I must say that I'm rather disappointed.

Let's assume you're town for the moment. Just.... let's assume.

If that's the case, what will you give me post game when you find out that you're the most wrong about me and you can't read me for shit?

What do you want?

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If this is the case; why aren't you hard-pushing for her to pair with somebody you think will ignore me and do it anyways?

Isn't this exactly what I did when I said that Priscila should pair with her and immediately leave the dance?

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I townread fire right now.

Didn't mean to bait you. Sorry Fire.

P-edit: We won't lynch P_A if we get 2/3 scum and you were right on 2/3 of them?

We'll just lynch Cabd then P_A if we have to. Sorry, not sorry, I find your defense pitiable.

I'd defend myself harder but, y'know.

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Giga, can you please come in here and post some stuff so I can read you before im possibly sent away?

fuck off.

offer to pair with giga.

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If you want to do that then fucking go for it.

I haven't really cared about anything right now because I feel like the game's already sort of under wraps.

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Like for a long time I've been more interested in trying to get LLD to think that I townread her so that I can get her to hilariously bus her team before I walk out than in doing anything game related.

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If I walk out on you and you're town, absolutely!

I'm totally willing to reconsider and that's why you are last on the list and I want to powerlynch Dunn/Penguin first and also why I was trying to get in your good graces.

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Oh, and if you're scum you have to post in your GTKAS that you were thoroughly outplayed and wish you were as good at scum as I am.

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But either way if you're town you've been ignoring me and I can assume that you took offense to my directing terms of endearment towards you but you also ignored the apology.
So if you are town you gotta way step up the effort to interact with me. And yeah, let's just not go this direction.

Invariably, youre not actually gonna be correct about all your scumreads, and the way for scum to win is through pocketing people....

Okay then let's see you later KEyen.

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Hey no policy lynching LLD until I get my chance at P_A and Dunnstral.

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I think that Keyen is the most likely to be pocketed and I am fine with seeing them gone.

What I think you're town you're just getting thoroughly hoodwinked by Dunnstral.

What gets me about this is how I've pocketed Cabd. I mean, he has reason to want to nail me to the wall if I draw scum against him. There's no way he comes in looking to be snowed, and if my posts up to his town read were all it took, I'm pretty baffled.

This is a profoundly nonsensical post. You're saying that he's scum, correct?

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Like you just said his townread on you doesn't make sense because there's no way that he as town is looking to be snowed. Your alignment is irrelevant here: is he scum or not?

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Tell me that you love me dunnbunhun

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My feelings are hurt.

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You're welcome to try to change my reads.

I just felt like me trying to do the dance of hiding my scumreads so that I could deceive LLD was serving no purpose.

RC, Your read is profoundly nonsensical. I'm saying if he's town, he's not going to give me a pass that easily. You think I'm scum, and that my posting up the the point of his town read snowed him. I'm saying that's absurd.

Okay: you're saying that he is in fact scum because there's no way that he would give you a pass that easily. Thank you for that. LLD agrees with you!

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Oh and I know exactly what you're saying. You're saying that Cabd townread you quickly and there's /no way/ he would townread you quickly if you were scum right?

I stepped in before anyone said anything and said I give zero fucks about any mutual townreads you claim on each other because I've seen people close to each other pocket each other virtually every time one of them rolls scum. I think people's ability to pocket people scales harder than ability to read people with 1 on 1 closeness.

I think actiondan or priscilla should be left behind

No offense to either of them

lol @ leaving priscila behind.

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No, I'm saying my posts were not aimed to snow Cabd, and no reasonable reading of them would indicate so. I'm pretty sure he just has some annoying town tell on me. I'm pretty predictable in person, and he pays attention.

My read on him is pending more broad contributions to the game.

You know what he's looking for, you can post what he's looking for without deliberately trying to snow him. I am not going to write you off because he townreads you.
And your approach to me and LLD has been disgustingly bad and was actually the reason that I locked in the 3 of you as scum.

And yes, you have to ignore me: you can't push on me given that I'm paired with LLD so what else are you gonna do, huh?

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Why so biased to keeping in priscila RC?

Because she's obvious town and her posts on P_A are the ones that gave the game away.

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P_A has never looked for me as scum. She has never really tried to sort LLD. They both came to weird mutual townreads. I've done stuff that she as town should be super concerned about but she says nothing. She's just sort of ignoring the two of us. That's happening for a reason.

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The way you're talking to Maria, the way you're appealing to people, the way you're fighting with LLD like this is the carry on of a fight that's happening elsewhere, the way you're talking to her, her own actions making me think that this is a bus, a bunch of stuff.

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Hey I'm not saying I'm 100% sure but Priscila is very towny and I totally agree with that scumread so I want her in.

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There's really no question that I'm town this game. I find it funny that there is.

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Hebi LLD flipping scum doesn't make the way that you played this game right.

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And I say again that you respect us both as scum players. Do you think that both of us as super scary scum would have made a play that made the game universally wary of us and put us at the forefront of the game?

Well, yes actually. You do put yourself on the forefront as scum. I do not think you are scum but this argument is pretty meh for you being town.

There's a difference between aggressive and bad.

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It's like squares and rectangles. You can be bad without being aggressive, just like you can be a rectangle without being a square.

Analogy falls short because all squares are rectangles.

The play I made was bad if I was scum.

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Please don't leave Priscila out

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Penguin_alien, I wouldn't accept that invitation. In fact, I'd like if nobody accepted Priscila's invitations.

You would.

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quadrilateral

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Priscila, would you be okay pairing with GBT?

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No, your reason for scumreading me was because mariaR scumread me. That's what you said. You're backtracking.

stop bullying priscilla.

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Pretty sure dunn is town because his ate feels genuine and I honestly think he wasn't ate me that much as scum

I think ur mom is a nice lady

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Pretty sure dunn is town because his ate feels genuine and I honestly think he wasn't ate me that much as scum

There's townie maria

yes maria is townmaria i would never misread maria i am best maria reader on site ama

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she wears fluorescent pink crocs

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maria i wish we had danced.

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That's interesting because I'm scumreading Maria out of jealousy because she stole my love Andrius.

We need to split them up so that we can have our loves that we deserve.

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omg maria guess

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omg maria guess

So we can bus? :3

Does dunnstral contradict himself a lot as scum? Can he keep his story straight?

Uhhhh no he just keeps his cool a lot and keeps his story straight yeah my only worry is I haven't seen dunn get caught out this early and all these sr's feel...uhhh

this will be my last post tonight gn

wtf how would we bus if we were paired

we'd be bussing now since I'm lynching Dunnstral

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@_@

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^_^

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Yes qtpie <3

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I want Maxous or Key to be left behind in my ideal world.

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Please don't let Vecna be kicked out of the dance to dance with key

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rc why did you townlock me so quickly?

i've never been this active sitewide and i figured most of my towntelling came from my spammy style of parsing games but thats obviously not the case here and im doing way more reading than i'm used to

Meh if I were scum I'd have made a paper trail. I just sort of do I guess.

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tbh I think if I haven't already solved the game with my 3 picks its a town loss.

if lld is town we're just super fucked

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you've gotten way too spoiled with my scum play where i actually give reasons. I just do. on some level I know I could be wrong but I just do soooooo

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if I wasn't partnered in such a way that there's no way that I'm genuinely doing shit past my first few scumreads I'd do things differently but I'm tied to someone that I think is scum and even if we get in hood and both realize each other are town that's not going to prevent us from getting lynched. sort of makes it hard for me to bother with trying to get townread.

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honestly I'm not but me getting called scum by everyone and everyone trying to leave my townreads out of the dance makes me very uninterested in trying to sort people.

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I've been right on things like this before. I'm fine with dunn -> penguin -> lld. If any of them want me to do something differently they should talk to me.

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I am doing good. Excited for my pt!

A2, giga, and priscilla are all scummy. I think they all deserve death

your scumreads suck

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Why are you scumreading me giga?

And you think I'm scum with lld?

WAIT, giga is actually obvious scum

yes i do. also I know what your town game looks like and this isn't it.

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how is priscilla scummy

and deadass how am i obvious scum lmfaooooooooooo

Why don't you explain your read on me and how I can be scum with lld

Because her push on you looked like she was poorly pushing a hard bus and your reaction doesn't make me think any less of that theory.

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I know I do preflip analysis all the time but like, dont?

If I don't do preflip analysis in this game my reads will mean absolutely nothing because I'm tied to LLD.

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i still cant make peace with the fact the defacto lynch here is keyen

fine with maxous as well

I want vecna alive for competency and being generally okay towny

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dunn please you're so scummy it hurts.

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well I can't yet but I will!

I mean if LLD stops bussing you I'll just walk out so

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I thought you scumread priscila

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i mean dont' get me wrong that's a great idea but

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good luck with that funnstral

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dunn is just trying to create a viable mislynch since there aren't really any

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if I could be voting dunnstral I would be

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No P_A is actually really scummy her reads are super shallow she's evasive about her cabd read and takes a very convenient position for scum and her rationale for why I should townread her is dogshit.

like

Dunn/LLD/P_A is a thing for a reason. they're all so far below the rest of the game right now

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Yeah we can do Dunfucko and then I'ma just Powerwagon Keyen and/or Fire after that.

no.

I get my 3 lynches.

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in my life there's been heartache and pain
I don't know if I can face it again
can't stop now I've travelled so far
to change this lonely life

I wanna know what love is
I want you to show me
I wanna feel what love is
I know you can show me

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gbt please take priscila.

I'll step out first thing if you need me to prove the request comes from town.

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Mine wasn't formed cuz friends.
Cabd's wasn't formed cuz friends.

Only Maria/Dunn and Fire/Shiro and fire/shiro was okay but maria/dunn was maria giving herself up for no reason.

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Vecna is fine. But that means that scum pushing the anti priscila agenda get her way and the rest of the game becomes much harder.

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They are friends ish but it was formed for game related reasons. As was mine.

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Hebi won't pair with them.

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Yeah I wish Hebi was not the conftown.

tbh I wish it was me so I could loldictator the pairings and end the game in 3 rl days.

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oh god me being conftown in this game would be complete cancer

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Dunn if you're town please don't hate me.

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Meh. I've played with FA enough and LLD's supposed to be better. I was not letting anyone else dance with her. I'm not apologizing for that decision.

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how about:

all of the gentlemen who currently arent in pairs vote on a gent to lynch - first person to get three votes gets lynched and we decide on which gent pairs with which lady after that

Voting is bad and democracy is bad.

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Neither. I don't know what to say. Kinda like my FA scumread last game where I saw something but no one else could.

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I mean, it wasn't you alone scumreading her RC. And you had a lot of valid points (I assume you mean kh game)

I mean it fundamentally was, considering that you were the last slot standing on your scumteam. People tried to include you in the townblock and you would have made it very far if Jaereed didn't refuse to townread you and check you. And yeah I had valid points but the points were lies because fundamentally I scumread her because she was scum!FA and I know what that looks like in a way that I don't have the ability to put words to nor will I ever.

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I still feel bad about the AtE townread

Don't.

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It's nothing personal ftr.

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=<

I just wish you weren't scumreading me for something that I can't respond to.

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That's your scumbloc?

Mind leaving Key out of it then?

I don't think Key is scum ftr but

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I agree tho, for the record. I think scum guys would be more desperate and needy and clingy.

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its not that I think they're scum its that I think the remaining gentlemen will be far more invested than they will

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I won't cry if you drop vecna. I'd like to play with him but he's negotiable. Priscila is who I really want to bring.

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I sorta want to pair with priscilla over the whole, 'I want to pair hebi with a strong town read but not me"

I don't get their logic there, and it feels suspect? But maybe too obvious for mafia and just a bad move, but its one of the things making me wary atm.

My play of this game would be to pair the towniest people with the towniest people and create multiple pairings of obvtown and just PoE the game from there.

I think she subscribes to the same school of thought, but doesn't personally want to pair with you.

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I sorta want to pair with priscilla over the whole, 'I want to pair hebi with a strong town read but not me"

I don't get their logic there, and it feels suspect? But maybe too obvious for mafia and just a bad move, but its one of the things making me wary atm.

My play of this game would be to pair the towniest people with the towniest people and create multiple pairings of obvtown and just PoE the game from there.

I think she subscribes to the same school of thought, but doesn't personally want to pair with you.

Well sure, but we already sort of lost that point, your pairing is cancer, fire/shiro is bad, dunn/maria is bad, cabd/A2 is bad.

I'm pretty much left out to dry unless like... Maxous/Giga happens I guess?

Maybe that is a good pair.

I still think my pairing is correct. You get all the paranoia onto one slot and you get the two people who have a chance of correctly reading each other together.
The rest are awful although I do see some value in Cabd/A2: although I would have preferred Cabd/PA because I kind of want to get rid of both of them tbh.

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I remain confident that if she's town she won't blow me up.

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I'm fine with pairing Priscila iwth penguin so she can walk out I guess.

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keep in mind that if Penguin is the last girl she'll just pair with whichever guy isn't Priscila though so that needs to be forced early.

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@radiant cowbells unless the other guy doesnt give her the offer.

This would be a terrible EV play for that other guy regardless of alignment.

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The other guy is basically required to send it in because it increases town EV regardless of alignment.