Mini 1935: Green Haired UPick (Game Over)

[WhyMafia]

Hi

[WhyMafia]

Will catch up later tonight/tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

Why are you interested in pushing a claimed vigilante?

[WhyMafia]

Gut scum reading randomidget

[WhyMafia]

Why are you interested in pushing a claimed vigilante?

You mean the miller vigilante?
Yeah, no thanks.

You don't believe his claim to be accurate? Isn't it quite easy for a vigilante to prove themselves?

[WhyMafia]

You don't believe his claim to be accurate? Isn't it quite easy for a vigilante to prove themselves?

No, no I don't.
People that say that Vig is an easily provable role are wrong imo.
There's so many roles to prevent this, and not to mention 3rd party.

If he kills townie players we can lynch him and if he is a SK his going to get killed by scum eventually.

-Shawn

Sums up my thoughts

[WhyMafia]

If he was really a vig he would have used his shot already. I don't trust him with a 10 foot pole.

err ..
it's day 1?

[WhyMafia]

If he's third party, we leash him until he messes up. If he's mafia, he's found out. I doubt there's gonna be extra mafia kills in a 13p game???

[WhyMafia]

Like pushing for a claimed vigilante lynch is incredibly scummy

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: 1 shot vanilla town

[WhyMafia]

Tarkus is a proven liar, twice.

We can just lynch him and then lynch WhyMafia tomorrow.
Scum flip, they're buddies
3rd party flip he's WK him.

@Mod - I have usual V/LA on weekends but I'll post each Friday to advise.
Forgot to advise when signing up, let me know if it's an issue

Wtf is this pre-flip association

[WhyMafia]

1 Shot Vanilla Town is inherently linking Tarkus and I. I'm not saying Tarkus is necessarily not scum. It's just extremely preemptive to lynch him day one without letting him proving his role. Using setup speculation to justify a PR lynch is horrible. Power roles will sort themselves out on due course

[WhyMafia]

Keep trying to cast shade
I'm advocating caution. You're advocating a PR lynch and already speculating further lynches
See the difference? This is scum

[WhyMafia]

@Mod, can we have VC?

[WhyMafia]

Anyways, bc of deadline, I'll go VOTE: RandomMidget for now, but wanna pressure up 1SVT tomorrow

[WhyMafia]

@ranomidget

, Are you saying because he can't convince you he must be scum? You are correct that I did misunderstand your post. The question was why did you scum read tucker at the moment of your vote so your only reason for voting him was for pushing a Lucky wagon? I can't find your response to my question so could you please link it?

I dislike Whymafia's vote flip from 1SVT to randomidget as it is going from a wagon with 2 votes on it to one with 3 votes, with 4 days left I'm uneasy with the fact that his trying to push for a deadline lynch with two close wagons and is going for his second choice while also pushing for a 1SVT lynch tomorrow. If he thinks 1SVT is scum why not push him today? What's going to change tomorrow that makes a 1SVT push better?

Well the activity levels in his game are quite low. I'm comfortable with my scum read on him, thus my willingness to switch my vote. It's not like I nullscum read him, it was a scum lean. Your case, coupled with a lack of momentum on 1SVT made me decide to switch

[WhyMafia]

ya i agree
also whymafia has been towning it up
VOTE: lucky2u
deadlines coming up and just in case 1svt is town i wouldnt mind giving them another day to show it

Why do you think I'm Town?

[WhyMafia]

What is scummy about lucky? I feel like his first two posts were strange, but not necessarily scum indicative

[WhyMafia]

What do you feel on 1SVT or Random and why

[WhyMafia]

Anyways, bc of deadline, I'll go VOTE: RandomMidget for now, but wanna pressure up 1SVT tomorrow

Why can't you pressure me today still? Your vote isn't the only form of pressure.
Why is Random scum here rather than just being, well, Random?

Because I'll be a lot busier this week with a last minute rush in summer homework and shopping

[WhyMafia]

Basically it's a heavy gut read + what idanyboy has said. Just feels off.
From your latest posts:

thats what im comparing 1svt's play to here.

So you are using meta from one game which was a bastard game?
Great, I'll avoid your opinion this game.

Scummy. Completely tuning him out is something scum would say.

I'm still pretty ok with my vote, and I'm ignoring the double miller game until day 2.

So what happens day 2?
Do you think Miller claims should survive until late into the game?

When I find that a miller is scummy that's when I'll persue it. Right now I find you and random scummy.

[WhyMafia]

Alright fuck it sheep me

VOTE: Cookiedotjay

Sheep god-emperor cowbells. This shit flips scum.

Can you tell me why plz me confused

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

Oh and welcome chickadee

[WhyMafia]

I like 1SVT actually. Don't get why people are voting him. Please explain better.

I already did. Explain why you like 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Random
I'll compromise here

[WhyMafia]

Bah I must be missing something. Re-reading cookie

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Cookiedotjay

Thanks for announcing L-1!

[WhyMafia]

Kinda shocked on how fast this got wagoned ..

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: 2IAM

[WhyMafia]

Like, don't just say 'oh TIAN did all this stuff' because I read it and came to the conclusion that you all are barking up the wrong team and my scumreads may be inconsistent but my townreads are solid as fuck.
If you think that I'm missing something, if you think that there's something actually scummy about him: please go ahead and enlighten me. I will listen.
I miss the melodic sound of your voice and the times I spend with you are the moments that I treasure the most in this game <3

TIAM says he vote Cookie because he hasn't scum hunted and that Cookie voted his town read. Cookies vote on you happened in Post 109, I asked TIAM of he had any other reads in Post 204 he answered with Post 206 which read to me like he doesn't have any more reads and he needs more content to generate reads. I asked him again in Post 216 if he found anything AI and he did not answer. So when he comes in and says that he town read you in Post 353 I find it hard to believe. So his vote on Cookie doesn't make sense and looks like he wanted to lynch the leading wagon and retroactively came up with reasons to justify it. I don't know how you can possibly town read his play. The only thing that he had going for him was his claim but he did not realise that Tarkus was a miller, I had to point it out.

This

[WhyMafia]

Plus I'm uncomfortable how quickly that wagon developed, and him putting cookie at L-1 without announcing didn't help

[WhyMafia]

Erm. ?????

[WhyMafia]

That last post by random is making no sense to me. I just can't make tails of it. I wanna re-vote him for that, but idk it direkickdickdjcx

[WhyMafia]

RC I still await the day you read me correctly

[WhyMafia]

???

Correctly TR you in 1793
Correctly SR you in Fire Emblem: Birthright which I replaced out of
DID incorrectly scumread you in that one game but it was a terrible game

You played in that fire emblem game? Never remembered you there. I thought you didn't even notice me in that newbie game lul.

[WhyMafia]

Why should you scum read me?

[WhyMafia]

And what if we get our vig claim to shoot random? It gets rid of two issues at one go

[WhyMafia]

If we go with what I said, then 1SVT, or 2IAM is preferred
I'm still hesitant with how quickly cookie piled on, albeit I didn't examine cookie's posts too much

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

Yeah. Re-read 2IAM. He can be moved to nulltown. Gut feel, and there are certain posts which makes him unlikely to be scum. Having said that, there's not enough to justify him with a town lean.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: 1SVT

I asked you to commit to a read on jjh Hydra.

Don't naked vote 1svt.

You did? When? Must've missed it. And you never asked for me to case 1SVT, I'll do that rn

[WhyMafia]

@RC I null town read Cookie

[WhyMafia]

Oh, guess I didn't. Must have just thought it.
Still want you to put a ring on it.

But why? Cuz right now I feel pretty confident you two are scum buddies.

I have no idea why you scum read me but ok. Regarding the first part. Meh. Gut feel + a few other things.
A) I don't like the flash wagon. At all. It doesn't seem natural
B) Of the posts you cased, the only one I definitely agree with is post 224. Everything else that you pointed out seems likely to be natural in my mind.

[WhyMafia]

1SVT has done nothing to help sort people or even give any indication of doing so. He has merely done setup speculation and distanced himself from making actual content. Additionally, I am getting the vibe that he knows some people are town and wants the vigilante lynched as it can prevent him, or scum buddies death. He keeps trying to shift conversation back to the two millers. His scum reading has been apathetic and posts 185, 186, and 189 are bad. He sets up pre-night result discussion to maybe get a quicklynch through tomorrow, already proclaims us to be scum buddies, and tells me to vote him, which seems forced and not natural. Then in post 252 he flat out discredits and proclaims he won't interact with a slot.

[WhyMafia]

One of you are going today will it be him or you?

I obviously know I'm town so I'd vote for the counter wagon lol

[WhyMafia]

Whymafia you know how fast wagons happen when I commit to reads most of the time. That read feels fake. Feels like an excuse to not vote your partner.

I'm flat out saying I don't believe him to be scum. I've never seen you push a wagon that fast actually, seeing as Mulch never took off in that newbie .... and it took me near deadline to get lynched in the other newbie

[WhyMafia]

The way people just piled on doesn't sit right. The justification that you said it's common, if true, just means scum can get away with it

[WhyMafia]

And holy heck, how do I have the second highest post count in this game lol

[WhyMafia]

This is either scum or extremely lazy town. I don't even know what to respond to ....

[WhyMafia]

RC can you actually give me something to respond to instead of causing more splits in the voting resulting in a no lynch ...?

[WhyMafia]

For some reason I thought the deadline was less than a day.

Whymafia:
Why would scum want to push for a miller lynch right now, when there's so many valid other (inactive) targets to choose from?
And what's wrong with the cookie wagon other than it building fast? Was there any reason not to join this wagon? What did you think of RC's case on Cookie?

A) Pushing an inactive slot can really backfire later in the game.
B) I already said what I viewed on RC's case

[WhyMafia]

RC can you actually give me something to respond to instead of causing more splits in the voting resulting in a no lynch ...?

Uhm what I'm causing splits in voting resulting in a no lynch?
You just voted a vanity wagon 2 days to go with no general support. It's hilarious that you're trying to spin it so that I'm the one causing a problem here.

I don't believe in any of the alternatives. I don't want Cookie or 2IAM to be lynched. Random seemed off, but I changed my mind on him. You clearly believed in options that had more general support, and are constantly causing medium, if not big wagons to form, and then you abandon them. You have been slowly removing yourself from the Cookie wagon, even though that's a much better lynch in your view atm. That's your main scum read, and he was brought to L-1. Yet now you're pressuring me, resulting in some people splitting off.

[WhyMafia]

L-3 actually, and by the activity standards of this game it'll be quite rough to get Cookie lynched

[WhyMafia]

hype

[WhyMafia]

Okay, so what's your point? Should I bail off him and vote you?

Cause it feels like you're just looking for one of the weaker but loud town to get a town mislynch going so you can hop on and discrediting both me and the jjh wagon in the interim

I don't get what you're saying. I don't believe JJH or 2IAM to be scum. Why should I vote them? I'm just saying it's weird how you got a lynch almost through, and now you're backing off/the wagon is dying down

[WhyMafia]

I don't get what you're saying. I don't believe JJH or 2IAM to be scum. Why should I vote them? I'm just saying it's weird how you got a lynch almost through, and now you're backing off/the wagon is dying down

What's the implication here?
If you think the wagon on you is scum motivated, then you should be more willing to vote Cookie who I feel quite happy is flipping scum.
If you think that I'm scum for pushing multiple people at the same time, then I would love to hear an explanation of why it's scum motivated because right now I feel like you're fighting me because I'm pushing both you and your buddy and you're trying to get neither wagon to go through.

I'm saying the way you're pushing both wagons is the reason it's scummy, as neither wagon will go through

[WhyMafia]

Like 75% of the game is inactive. There is no way you'll get a cookie lynch if you push me/others. Naz voted me, and now you need 3 votes for cookie. That ain't gonna happen

[WhyMafia]

You know what's actually funny. I still haven't been told why I'm scum. I believe cookie to be Town. I'm not going to vote there. I have no idea what you want, but congrats, you just ruined towns chances of getting a lynch through

[WhyMafia]

@Nazeebo what was the point in shifting your vote to Cookie when you scum read me more? After all, my wagon is beginning to pick up! And why is being concerned over lynched more likely to come from town than scum?

[WhyMafia]

I don't necessarily see that as scum indicative though because anyone would prioritize their own survival. If you take any inactive slot, and bring em to L-1, they're of course going to defend themselves, but then is likely to go inactive again.

[WhyMafia]

I'm calling you scum because the way this is playing out, you're simultaneously attacking Cookie and I, resulting in neither wagon going through, and you looking all the more townier. It's ridiculously easy to look pro-town in a game where basically the whole player list is lurking/inactive

[WhyMafia]

My guess if you, Naz, and 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

Scum intent: Strengthening towns view that you're obv town and push a no lynch through
Town intent: ??? Why on earth would town try to get both scum reads lynched in a game where it's already pretty hard to get people to be active to switch votes/already have a scum read on L-1

I don't understand why you're switching views this close to deadline
We're not having a lynch thanks to you

[WhyMafia]

The implication is also that I'm deliberately attempting to force a no lynch: what specifically is my motivation in doing so? Absolve myself of responsibility?
Why wouldn't I just push on one of them at some level not hard enough to get lynched, have someone else get lynched, then continue to push on who I was pushing anyway?
This is assuming that you actually believe that I'm deliberately trying to force a no lynch which feels like a really convenient position to hold right now and seems overplayed.
Like that's a huge read into my intent and it feels more grasping at straws than legit thought process: it's such an obscure thing to do and the way you're pushing me feels so bad.
Like you realize that I'm towny and trying to attack me in spite of it.

Yes, I look pro-town because I'm town and pushing wagons. You could look pro-town if you too were town and actually doing stuff but insofar this game you've done virtually nothing.

Because you and I are the only ones actually interacting. It's kind of hard ya know ... and unlike you ... I understand that my interests aren't going to be lynched, and nobody else is willing to interact with me. How is saying you're deliberately going for the mis-lynch convenient? It makes sense to me considering you had your top SR on L-1 ....
Lol everyone says my pushes suck. What's your point. Want me to just completely not interact? If you're town, get Naz and some of the inactives back onto Cookie. You're continuing to make me out in a bad light, causing your old wagon to disintegrate

[WhyMafia]

I am pretty clearly only trying to get votes on JJH. I'm pushing on you because I want you to go tomorrow because I expect to not be alive to do it myself. Pretty damn simple.

Well then how come you didn't object when people began switching to votes to others?

[WhyMafia]

You keep insisting that we're not having a lynch and that feels to me like you're going to try to use your scumpartners to force a no lynch (because we're voting scum!) and blame me for it.
Why are you so sure that we're having a no lynch if I'm scum?

I'm certain we're having a no-lynch due to sheer apathy that town is displaying this game. Dany used to do stuff, but he's gone silent, so it's just you and I in this dustbowl. It'd require a massive surge in activity to get your favored lynch through, and the more we post, the more people are going to think one of us is scum.

[WhyMafia]

You keep insisting that we're not having a lynch and that feels to me like you're going to try to use your scumpartners to force a no lynch (because we're voting scum!) and blame me for it.
Why are you so sure that we're having a no lynch if I'm scum?

I'm certain we're having a no-lynch due to sheer apathy that town is displaying this game. Dany used to do stuff, but he's gone silent, so it's just you and I in this dustbowl. It'd require a massive surge in activity to get your favored lynch through, and the more we post, the more people are going to think one of us is scum.

Why's this my fault though? What in my play specifically gives you the idea that I want a no lynch versus that I'm concerned about you but want Cookie dead?

You aren't objecting to people getting their votes off Cookie

[WhyMafia]

I like WhyMafia for town, and I'm fine with a Cookie lynch so I'll switch my vote if there's a chance of a no lynch. I think Cookies got 5 votes on him so I don't think we need to be worrying about a no lynch.

Speak of the devil, you're back!

[WhyMafia]

EDIT: Missed Naz switching back to Cookie ...
I feel like a fool now

[WhyMafia]

If you expect me to spend 24h of my waking life yelling at everyone who doesn't submit to my will and vote Cookie then that's unrealistic as hell.

I mean that was what I thought after your explosion with Chickadee

[WhyMafia]

It's not. Town is pathetic this game

[WhyMafia]

RC: What makes 1SVT town to you?

[WhyMafia]

RC what makes Beeboy a viable vig shot. The slot has done literally nothing

[WhyMafia]

Can someone answer why I'm scum yet????

[WhyMafia]

All the inactives are coming back wooo

[WhyMafia]

Why beeboy?

[WhyMafia]

And I thought I was le scum

[WhyMafia]

I look like a scumfuck don't i

[WhyMafia]

Well all my reads were horribly wrong

[WhyMafia]

the vig proved himself, so VOTE: 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

Like I have no idea what to say. Clearly I was wrong this whole game. My actions speak for themselves. If you think I played like a partner then I can't change your opinion. However, I stand by everything I said earlier. I can't change your minds over that. Instead, we can persue someone who actually behaved scummily

[WhyMafia]

Because it tells me you don't want to think for yourself. Not a good town quality.

Not a good town quality, but something Town could still say

[WhyMafia]

Null: Beeboy, Nazeebo, 1 Shot Vanilla Town, Lucky2u

I feel like there's at least 1 scum in here, leaning towards Naz and 1SVT

[WhyMafia]

Null: Beeboy, Nazeebo, 1 Shot Vanilla Town, Lucky2u

I feel like there's at least 1 scum in here, leaning towards Naz and 1SVT

I disagree on Naz. Reading through his iso, he looks good. He asked the right things and while he was weak on the cookie wagon, scum Naz had a good opportunity to push doubt on that wagon or just not vote it. We were in danger of a no lynch, so him voting it at the end means he rather take a small amount of town cred then a no lynch and that doesn't make sense. I'm not saying he is definitely town, but he is not today's lynch by a long shot.

That's fair. My primary reason for my scum read was bc of the cookie wagon, but what you say makes sense. What do you feel on 1SVT?

[WhyMafia]

It's not a contradiction. Associations make me look like a scumfuck. Not actions

[WhyMafia]

I do like naz's recent posts though

[WhyMafia]

I'll sheep
VOTE: esires

[WhyMafia]

It's not a contradiction. Associations make me look like a scumfuck. Not actions

What would you call pushing that RC is trying to get a miss lynch by having two scum reads?
VOTE: WhyMafia Your sheep makes me uncomfortable.

Because my main reads were wrong. 1SVT remains my strongest SR, but no one is willing to go there. I didn't like either wagon, because ya know .... I'm Town, and I felt cookie was Town, which was wrong. I thought RC was scum because he was pushing both of us so close to deadline, which could lead to a no lynch

[WhyMafia]

VC 1.10

WhyMafia (2):

beeboy, Nazeebo

Tarkus (1):

1 Shot Vanilla Town

CookieDotJay (7):

RadiantCowbells, Lucky2u, TwoInAMillion, Nazeebo, iDanyboy, Tarkus, esires

TwoInAMillion (1):

CookieDotJay

1-Shot Vanilla Townie (1):

WhyMafia

Not Voting: Chickadee

You were also on 1SVT while arguing this.

Read above

[WhyMafia]

So you were arguing that RC was trying to no-lynch while you were helping a no lynch go through.

If no-lynch rather than lynch a town read

[WhyMafia]

So your town read was so strong that you were sure he was town and preferred a no lynch? How did you conclude that Cookie was that townie.

I wasn't convinced by RC's case. I didn't find him scummy

[WhyMafia]

But you said he was a town read. Why was he a town read?

Because I didn't find him scummy

[WhyMafia]

If I have an absence of a scum read I genuinely believe that to be town. Additionally, I felt like his wagon was scum driven with RC

[WhyMafia]

If I have an absence of a scum read I genuinely believe that to be town. Additionally, I felt like his wagon was scum driven with RC

Why do you genuinely believe he is town? If you say because he wasn't scummy then why did you say this?

You know what's actually funny. I still haven't been told why I'm scum.

I believe cookie to be Town

. I'm not going to vote there. I have no idea what you want, but congrats, you just ruined towns chances of getting a lynch through

There is also no situation where a no-lynch is better than lynching a null read.

He wasn't null. I didn't want to lynch him because I thought the wagon was scum driven, making him town.

[WhyMafia]

Do you guys honestly think I'd be that blatant ugh

[WhyMafia]

Where is everyone? I know I shouldn't be one to talk because I'm not that active, but damn.

I've been trying to give people time to chime in. There's not that many votes though, so I don't feel like this one will hurt their chances of being able to come chime in at some point. I definitely don't want anyone to hammer before everyone gets here though.

VOTE: WhyMafia

sigh

[WhyMafia]

In a 3 person scum team, do you guys honestly think I'd hard defend him that much? Sure, it's WIFOM, but how was anything I said anti-town/scummy

[WhyMafia]

I made a mistake in my reads for god's sake

[WhyMafia]

And BTW Lucky, why aren't you voting me then?

[WhyMafia]

Because I didn't believe in either lynch. I expressed why I believed in my scum read of 1SVT multiple times. He never explained his scum read to me so I had nothing to counter. The way he was pushing me made me look like scum, which could lead to a shift in wagons (almost happened), and thus result in a no-lynch. I don't vote on town reads and there were no other viable wagons.

[WhyMafia]

He wasn't fucking null. If I think a wagon is scum motivated, then therefore the wagoned person is town

[WhyMafia]

Oh you are

[WhyMafia]

Sigh
VT

[WhyMafia]

Don't pre emptively hammer please

[WhyMafia]

Ryoko Tanbo

[WhyMafia]

@Why - if you rolled doc instead of a VT, who would you have protected last night?

Danny

[WhyMafia]

What country do you live in WhyMafia?

?

[WhyMafia]

There is mafia on my wagon. No way they would pass up easy lynch

[WhyMafia]

Can lucky be scum?

[WhyMafia]

@Why - what do you think of this:

you guys are running up the wrong guy.

esires is where it's at.

I'm split. I see the merit in scum reading Esires, but I don't get why he didn't hop onto my wagon then

[WhyMafia]

And I got cold feet on my small Naz scum read. He's like null town for me rn

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: esires

Pretty sure this is scum.

His day opening was terrible. And Cookie's behavior around him was really weird. Cookie scumread esires early in the game, when I asked him to walk me through that read, I never got an answer. He later moved esires to null for ??? reasons but never really interacted with him.

Seems like a really crappy bus attempt by Cookie tbh. I'd love to see this get rope.

[WhyMafia]

.... I said not to hammer

[WhyMafia]

1, if not 2 scum on my wagon

[WhyMafia]

Danyboy and the miller vig are Town

[WhyMafia]

Until proven otherwise

[WhyMafia]

1SVT and Esires need to be looked at

[WhyMafia]

Sounds like you aren't scum then, Why.

No ... I wasn't

[WhyMafia]

To be honest I find it weird that anyone finds me scummy considering I could have just let my V/LA run into the deadline on D1 and allowed it to result in a no lynch instead of hammering what turned out to be a scum PR.

hm
that's fair
chick and 1SVT top two picks for me

[WhyMafia]

Hmm yeah, I guess I can see that. If I had to guess, Cookie wasn't able to provide any reasons that he scumread me because he would have known I'm not scum.

fair response

[WhyMafia]

Chick has literally gone scott free for bandwagoning & keeps complaining about a lack of content without doing anything herself. She's not willing to put people under the spotlight or to try to sort people.

[WhyMafia]

RC had a scum read on Chick as well. Lynch her tomorrow. Apart fro her original catchup post, she has completely refrained from sorting/giving opinions on slots. Her town read of Random seems well ... as if she already knew his alignment? And don't forget her weird ass vote on me Day 1.

[WhyMafia]

gg everyone