Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[Raya36]

Hey everyone! I'm replacing Clockworkgirl. Just popping in to say that I'm reading up but I probably won't be able to post until tomorrow night as I have work tomorrow.

[Raya36]

Alright, I'm just going to do this page by page. Feel free to ask me about anything you think I should focus on.

Page 1

Even though this is my fourth game, I still feel really new.

I got a tip from a mafia member in another game, and that person said that the mafia can be very stressed/uncomfortable during RVS, and the transition out of it. Considering that, I just want to point out that Tuberkulos seems the most unnatural with his posts, and is sorely sticking out to me at the moment.

What exactly made you feel this way about Tuber and did that stay consistent up until they got replaced and with the new replacement?

Page 2

Yo I'll be around tomorrowish. Been busy with work.

Llama feels town to me on a skim.

What made you feel that Llama was town up to this point?

Stuff needs to start happening though. This much standing around will eat up deadline fast. While I greatly appreciate games where people don't post 20 times a day, this is more than just a bit light.

Dude, the deadline is on the 22nd.

That's the weirdest thing I read thus far. Like, I get that it makes you sound really townie to want to get more info, but that was a really over-the-top sell.

This didn't really stand out to be so odd to me. I don't necessarily think it was him trying to sound townie by wanting more info. Plus he had a point. I've played slow games before and things don't get done, giving scum an advantage.

[Raya36]

Page 3

Forgot that I should unvote
UNVOTE:

It was RVS, a stage where people start completely unserious and everyone has nothing to work with. You stood out because you completely skipped it and went right into intensive questioning towards clockwork. I'm looking for things that don't make sense to me, and although that doesn't make me confirm you as the mafia, it was something that

could

have something to do with it.

What makes not participating in RVS scummy?

[Raya36]

@Raya

I have answered all of those questions asked by other players. Some of them were frustratingly, ad-nauseam.

Ahh okay.

@Everyone
I'm going page by page so if I ask something that has already been answered please just point me to the post or ignore me.

[Raya36]

Page 4

Siv's 84 comes off as genuine to me.



I'm having mixed feelings about Reed here. His posts seem genuine when he responds to Siv although Siv has a point in saying that he was responding to pressure on Clock as if it were on himself. I'll probably come back to this later.

[Raya36]

Page 5

I kind of want to townread guyy for having the balls to go after me after a self-admitted to being an omguser but I know that would be one of the laziest reads I could make.

Eh, you have a point here. Not a strong point, but still a point. I don't see scum being as likely to go after someone who just said they omgus.


Should have a lot more time after work tonight and the next couple of days so I'll try to get fully caught up then.

[Raya36]

Page 6
I like the reasoning in Siv's 132, however, I don't like that he says that it almost makes him lock scum. While the back-pedalling is scummy I think it's still possible it could have come from town. Do you still think this slot is scum and have they done anything else you consider scummy to back up you scumread if you still have one?

Page 7

I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?

Took a look into this. The first question to Clock sounds a bit like something you might find during RQS. I don't see it being entirely helpful besides getting a slight idea on Clock's meta. I like the question to Siv a bit better though. Something that encourages discussion better related to the game although I'm not quite sure what he expected to get out of asking someone what they think about Clock answering a basic question about RVS. Seemed NAI to me. Later in post 24 his questions seem a bit more helpful as they could potentially lead to something AI.

VOTE: llama

I don't townread him. I want more from your slot though. We can push this if it'll help. I'll check that game once I'm back from the hospital.

This seems opportunistic. A new player comes in and says they want to push Llama who throughout the game has been called unhelpful towards moving the game or null then suddenly jumps on the wagon.

Page 8

Also didn't like the L-3, this can be Siv just not knowing he doesn't need to say L-3, only L-2 or L-1, or scum trying to be careful in their play

Can you explain what you mean by scum trying to be careful in their play? How does stating L-3 make you think that?

Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.

I've liked basically all of your posts up to this. You just stated several reads including people you were willing to lynch but this paragraph is basically saying anyone could be scum which kind of sounds like you're opening up your options for later or to be wrong after a lynch goes through that you pushed.

Your scum because of gut.

Not a fan of this. I haven't played many games with Mulch so I don't know if this is normal or not but it's veru weak reasoning, scum could do it easily, and it doesn't help us get a read on Mulch either. Plus it's opportunistic.

Page 10
Ginngies list looks good to me. I'm getting a good town impression.

Not sure what game advancing imformation Mulch plans on getting from asking "what if I flip town?"

VOTE: giningie

You know I will flip town and therefore are being akward when asked how you would react if I flip town.

OMGUS?

You may say this but people will look back on this later game and see

The difference between you and me is that I don't truly care if I'm lynched but you do care

Why don't you care if you get lynched?

Page 11

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

Why wouldn't you want to talk to him more to try to get a better read?

That selfvote... can't tell if Mulch is scum or anti-town.

[Raya36]

Page12

Llama is super scummy right now lol

Can you elaborate? Also why are you still voting for yourself at this point rather than Llama?

Also can I hear a full case on Ginngie from you?

Yes you will. You will lynch me, I will flip town, and then you can lynch Ginningie tomorrow,


or don't and lose.

What makes you so confident that we will follow through with your plan. As I see it you seem to be the only one on board and there is no real reason to Ginngie if you flip town so why would we?

Page 13

I know that Ginnigie is scum because they were afraid to talk about what would happen if I flip town and in my vast experience playing forum mafia that has never, ever been a reaction from a town.

This isn't that strong at all.

you scum reading ginngie is not the issue here

it could be. but you chose to make it weirdly about lynching you instead

This!

Page 14
At this point I'm starting to think Mulch is scum trying to distract town. I mean, he's done a good job if that's the case. How many pages has he kept the focus on him while not allowing anything actually productive to happen?

I've been tossing around the idea of Llama/Mulch and Jae/Mulch. I still need to look into which of the three I want to vote for the most right now though.

Also want to see Raya's full catchup before we lynch.

Consider it done.

[Raya36]

Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.

I've liked basically all of your posts up to this. You just stated several reads including people you were willing to lynch but this paragraph is basically saying anyone could be scum which kind of sounds like you're opening up your options for later or to be wrong after a lynch goes through that you pushed.

I remember when I said that, I was starting to majorly self-doubt my reads. I still am to this point; it's like I'm surrounded by a stormy cloud of what-ifs.

I can buy this.

@all
I'm wanting to vote Mulch, as this player is the most suspicious to me. One major reason is the half-answers that we consistently get from him. Another being non-convincing voting reasons plus the thoughts I've had earlier. This is the player I've got the highest percent suspicion of. But if I do, I'll put him at L-1, and even though I'm really suspecting him as mafia, I don't really want the day ending early. I think it's for the most benefit that we get as much information as we can until we have to make a lynch. So I'm stalling my vote at the moment and reading all your interesting comments.

You know what. I think I'm going to go for this too. It's where my gut has been since he first started posting and he has only managed to support that feeling. I keep thinking to myself who would be the most beneficial to keep around. My other scum reads, Jae and Llama, are actually giving us content that is game advancing and can help us get reads on themselves and others which potentially could change my read on them if they are town. Mulch is at best anti-town and as I said earlier has been doing a pretty good job at actually keeping the game stagnant or at least centered around something not all that helpful. I'll place my vote here but I'm up for stalling for a bit first since we have the time

[Raya36]

This isn't that strong at all.

Why not?

That seems to be your only or at least your strongest reasoning and what you're pushing him for. It's hardly anything at all and may be worthy of a scum lean at the most although I personally don't think it's scummy to not want to work out pre-flip associatives.

[Raya36]

Sharing some more reads, properly answering questions, giving us something to help us read you better if you're town, try to reconsider your reads to see if you still honestly believe in your previous read or to find more evidence to back up your reads.

[Raya36]

^
This too

[Raya36]

I had a lot of questions for you in my catch up posts. Also as I was catching up I noticed some 1 word responces or very short sentences which weren't all that helpful.

[Raya36]

Wait... the days already over? That was quick

[Raya36]

Mulch (Eclipsed & Bhoysterous)

Spoiler: Mulch

Eclipsed's first read was Llama seemed town but did not say so confidently. Scum town-reading partner but not comitting? Said Clockwork sounded like scum and backed this up in a later post agreeing with someone else. Still unconfident. Scumread SIV but not enough to vote. I posted a lot of thoughts on Mulch during my catchup. I found him pretty scummy for a few different reasons but I was also tossing around the idea that he was being more anti-town than scummy. He has been playing better than earlier now and I think I'm leaning more towards his past play being anti-town although I'm still definitely wary of this slot.

guyy (daRealDodo)

Spoiler: guyy

I liked guyy from the start and that stayed consistent throughout the game. He appeared to be scumhunting and engaging in the game as well as getting others to engage as well. I like him for town.

A Simple Plan (Tuberkulos)

Spoiler: ASP

Removed Tuber's vote on Llama and defended Llama. Maybe Tuber was attempting to distance and ASP didn't want the vote there anymore? There are very few posts from asp and are mostly pushing Mulch or defending/agreeing with Llama. Not liking this slot. Scum lean

JaeReed

Spoiler: Jae

I wasn't JaeReed's biggest fan as I was doing my catchup but I think I'm feeling a lot better about JaeReed now and I'm happy with putting him at a town lean.

So I'm thinking the most likely for scum right now is asp but I don't want to vote yet until we here more from him.

[Raya36]

I'm a little confused as to why I'm being voted for. Asp, you say you like my 574 and you say it's a good thing that I said another quickhammer would be bad but then you say you're not convinced I'm town and vote me.

[Raya36]

V/LA until Monday night. More work to do than I have time for...