Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[In4Fun]

Good luck, have fun.

VOTE: SIV36

[In4Fun]

As has been discussed, the game is in the RVS (random vote stage) part, where we have nothing to go on. It tends to end when someone does something that doesn't make sense, so a non-random vote is cast. I tend to be very adverse to this part of the game, as its just random, and I like the logic parts a whole lot more.

How would you help roll the discussions forward? Any particular opinion about the first 36 hours?

To anyone who has MafiaScum experience - how would you compare this start to other starts? It feels slow but maybe it's always the case in a Newbie game during RVS.

UNVOTE: SIV36

I don't want to put Bhoysterous to L-2 just yet but I wouldn't mind if he posted here. Same for Uberpro98 but I feel he'll get replaced.

[In4Fun]

Why are you showing intent to vote Byoh? You say that you aren't willing to put him at L-2, but he hasn't even posted at this point. What makes him your preferred vote over people who have not posted over UP who failed to even pick up their role?

Caution. I thought if I vote on him just because he hasn't posted, someone else can do exactly the same and now we're already at L-1. I probably overestimate what happens at L-1 (everyone directly accusing said player, being ready to finish him at any time), I thought it's better if we stay away from it for a couple of days. And remember, it's not like he said something that makes him scummy, he hasn't said anything. Just about everything could be the reason for that and being mafia is only 1 of them.

If I were to vote somebody, it would be Bhoysterous. But I'd rather search for scummy lines than to vote out someone who is going to get replaced anyway.

[In4Fun]

Unless you feel he is actively avoiding the game, why is hat a tell though? There are a few types of "not posting" things: Flaking from the game, life keeping someone busy, and making a conscious effort to not post. The last one is the only situation where its scummy. The first two are not tells either way. If someone is intentionally avoiding the game for their advantage, then its a tell.

Well that's what I was trying to say, Bhoysterous has done nothing scummy so far. He just hasn't said anything yet. I acknowledge UberPro's absence too but voting on an inactive person is a waste of vote. It's obvious he would get replaced eventually - and he did! Welcome, Yooh.

There is a slight chance that Bhoy and/or UP read in the PM that they were mafia, got scared and rather left the game but I wouldn't vote on them just because. And I had no intention of voting on either of them until they get their 48 hour warning and get replaced. I thought we are voting people who say something doesn't sound town, not people who don't say anything in the first couple days of the two-week long dayphase. Why are you pushing me into saying I'd prefer voting on Bhoysterous? Because it's clearly not the case.

[In4Fun]

Why do you think scum are more likely to not want to play the game than town are? Cant I make the argument that "Bhoy got a VT role, thought it wasn't interesting so left" instead?

Personal preference. I think if someone likes evil roles more than town, then they are slightly more likely to leave a game he was VT in, before it even starts. Slightly.

What is interesting to me is that he picked up his role and left afterwards. If he started the game, posted a random vote, and left exactly after his very first accusation, now that would have been sketchy. But picking up his role, saying confirm and never coming back, that's just too random. Why do you even confirm if you don't want to play the game? I can't imagine them changing their mind after 12 hours, I don't think there is an ingame reason why Bhoysterous didn't play this game. But we are looking too much into that probably.

All in all, Eclipsed start from null for me, despite being a replacing player.

It's hard to pick a lynch target at this point.

[In4Fun]

Forgive me for not knowing much terminology, but null is neither mafia or townie, correct?

Correct.

Prod received.

@Yooh: I was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know and welcome to the game. Is your vote for me random or do you consider me to have behaved scummily and if so, what specifically?

Semiserious. You prefer to push content from someone who haven't post rather than someone who have posted is a little bit strange. If you voted to someone actively posting, you would get their reaction faster.
I don't see why is that scummy or even a little wrong. Don't we want content from anyone, equally?

Howdy, new guy here, good luck and have fun. (ponders a bit why people are casting their votes early on)

This is hard for me to tell on whether it comes from a genuine complete newb place or a "I'm scum and feel uncomfortable in the early game" place.
I'd somewhat expect newbtown to react to RVS a bit differently somehow but I can't really words my feelings/the concept right now beyond that.

As a fellow newbie, I feel it's a genuine reaction. I would have phrased my reaction a bit differently but I looked at other threads first so I already expected RVS.

Makes an impression for me that he hasn't had any experience either, which is neither good or bad, just a fact.

Well, you also said this:

If I had to pick someone for a serious vote I'd say Bhoysterous just because they've confirmed but haven't posted yet and that's the easiest way to deny town information.

And went on doing this:

VOTE: Bhoysterous

So why isn't your vote on Bhoysterous serious?

Ehhhhnnn I'm reminded of Thor and House here in the nitpicky nature. Might be playstyle rather than AI.

Thor, House, AI: what is reference, what is game terminology? A bit hard to understand this post and it may be important.

It is just me trying to buddying Jaereed for no reason. I'm expecting Jaereed's reaction to come along, but they (Jaereed's pronoun is they?) ignored it.

I believe you are telling the truth here.[/quote]
How is that makes sense for you? Doing something "for no reason" is a weird coverup, not necessarily scummy but definitely interesting. @Yooh, would you like to say something about it? Because it's one thing that I don't understand, but you say it's for no reason, it's different. Also @SIV36, is it enough explanation for you to believe he's telling the truth?

VOTE: SIV36 is my general gut feeling at this point in the game.

[In4Fun]

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum. @In4Fun could you explain why you voted SIV36? Do you agree with my reasoning in my previous post or do you have anything more to add?

@I4F - Can you explain your vote on SIV? You haven't even mentioned him until just now. Thor and House are both older players. AI is a newer term (alignment indicative), I just tend to use the phrase "null".

Please note that I didn't say I think Yooh is town. I just believe that one answer is truthful. Why?

I could be wrong, but I believe if someone is going to make up a lie, they are going to want it to be convincing. They are likely to pad down the details. Chances are, they are going to work a little too hard on it than they have to.

Yooh said they he was 'buddying' JaeReed for no reason. Based on my theory, he didn't make a convincing lie. Chances are there actually was no reason, it was just a silly comment. He could have been trying to pocket JaeReed, but that was the weirdest time and method of doing that. It makes the most sense that it was just a joke.

So, I want to put a rest to the "let's friend JaeReed" and work on something else. I'll remember it happened, in case something changes my mind about it, but until then I'm satisfied.

(At the point where I accused and voted you) You haven't explained your move, it seemed like you blindly followed Yooh's questionable line about buddying JaeReed. Was I the only one who found this weird and out of context?

I do that because she is the only one I know among others. No particularly important reason. Why is it concerned you a lot?

And I mean come on, how was I supposed to know this? I gotta ask the reasoning behind buddying someone out of a sudden.

The reason behind my vote on SIV is that he didn't even question this sudden post, like a town would do in this situation (IMO), he just went on and saying something like "don't worry, you're OK". Like sweeping information under the carpet, let town discuss this later on, delaying the whole process (this lines up with your post earlier on when you said:

Dude, the deadline is on the 22nd.

That's the weirdest thing I read thus far. Like, I get that it makes you sound really townie to want to get more info, but that was a really over-the-top sell.

And this has nothing to do with Yooh being serious or not. It's about SIV trying to delaying the process, trying to make sure town do as little scumhunting as possible. My vote stays on SIV.

Yes, we want it, but faster is always better. Why would you push a content from someone who post once every 2 day rather than someone who post 10 times every day, especially in RVS? The quality of post is also matter, though.

I think if you don't start applying pressure on someone who posts rarely in the beginning, they won't pick up the speed in time and be less of a help if he can't get up to speed when we really need them, in the later game or as soon as late Day 1.

I4F I still think is likely scum

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum.

Any not flawed reasoning behind thinking I am scum or are you just preparing the bandwagon?