Micro 768: Geriatric Grey Flag Nightless - Game Over

[RayFrost]

VOTE: CultOfAthena - mistaking me for Jack Frost, my cousin, is a vote-worthy offense.

I'm the reason ice bubbles are so pretty. That's my only winter responsibility.

[RayFrost]

If you don't mind sharing what name I know you by, Jingle, it'd be appreciated. If not, tally-ho. I'd like to note that I haven't actually been too busy to post. I waited.

Currently of the opinion that the stuff between jingle and korts is interestingly game-starting but otherwise uninformative. Good on yous for doing the thing.

While CultOfAthena says this is meant to "pressure" keychain into voting, the entire post does a great job of not actually contributing to the ongoing game-starting discussion (what do you have against helping push things forward?) and expresses no real opinions. Pressure voting someone without applying any pressure is not actually pressure voting. Not having anything to read as scummy as fine, but faking it is suspicious.

Insanity covered other CultOfAthena-related suspicious things rather well, in my opinion.

I dislike the specificity of what Jingle calls goodposting as it seems to revolve around opinions that match his own. Also feels like an easy way to blanket not-really-respond to the posts. I dislike the fact Jingle answers a question for CultOfAthena.

The answering-for-each-other being done Luca-for-Jingle, and Jingle-for-Athena makes me twitch. I dislike twitching. I am noting that I am twitching here for future reference.

Luca's posting involves a lot of putting words into other people's mouths and doesn't feel like a lot of words coming out of his own mouth and this is questionable and worthy of suspicion.

There is nothing else that I consider noteworthy in the past page and a half of content.

[RayFrost]

Am actually too busy to commit time for full responses, so short responses for now:

Reck - I'm not going to have fire-tested anything two pages into the game. There's just enough for me to put forward what I did for the time being (I could've mayyybe written some more things, but etc).

Jingle: you answer a question directed at cultofathena in the post that I linked directly before that statement, unless I'm misreading something. fair enough on the other thing, not really anything specific I want to discuss at this time thanks - if you want to ask me something feel free

Re question regarding luca putting words in other people's mouths, I suppose I used the wrong wording, I'll get back to that sometime later or forget and then get back to it when someone asks

CultOfAthena asking me about why I mention my availability - transparency's sake. I don't see how saying I haven't been too busy to do the thing could be for town cred given that jingle specifically said "I don't find ray suspect of doing thing because he's probably too busy to do the thing," though I'd like to see how you think it could be. Please, do explain.

[RayFrost]

Hey guys bit of a prod dodge-y post but I will be here this weekend. I've been kinda skimming things but haven't done any full reading. Happy New Year to all of you, and take care.

[RayFrost]

Just gonna start with saying I know jingle wants me to react to the vote on me in some way, but this is the limit of what I can say in response to it. "Okay."

What the hell is LAMIST? I've seen it used several times now and can't for the life of me figure out what it's supposed to stand for.

For other Jingle related things: I really dislike using meta to describe / explain everything, including your own play. While there's a certain amount of influence meta should have on your reads, it definitely shouldn't be

the

thing you rely on. People change. How they think changes. Situations and circumstances being different will change how they behave. It's not as cut and dry as "they were like this before so they will be like this again in this situation." In no small part because the situation is not exactly the same. Also, people who are aware of their own meta are capable of actively playing along with / against it.

That's just an in general mafia discussion style comment, though.

As for the Aristophanes case: I think Jingle raises a good point about how Aristophanes is handling the self-meta stuff. I don't think the original l-1 vote argument is worthwhile, though I do feel the following discussion had merit. My short-version understanding of the meta stuff is Jingle saying "ari is suspect for not putting the l-1 vote" with ari saying "no, I don't do that stuff" with Jingle saying "aha! but you do! look at these games" to which Ari responds "hmmm I see I have done this thing but those situations were different" leading to Jingle saying "I have caught you saying you would/would not do things when you have experience doing/not doing those exact things!" and having Ari respond with "well I can't make you think you're wrong on this"

While the original point from Jingle is horribly weak (Aristophanes didn't put someone at L-1! Scum!), I do feel that how Aristophanes handled the rest of it is suspect. This is more so in light of the rest of his posting. He's put more effort into defending himself from Jingle than he has in contributing anything else in the thread so far. His most recent posting about his actual reads before Jingle-stuff was "I have reads forming but nothing to say about them" - which is the equivalent to saying nothing at all. Anyone can say they have thoughts. What

are

the thoughts? The most clearly worded thought processes are self-defense against Jingle and agreeing with someone attacking his attacker but then saying it's gut.

Regarding Luca putting words in other people's mouth thing, I suppose the more correct wording would be "responding to questions addressed to other people and saying the answers were ~obvious~" - I am typically suspect of calling things obvious (especially when I feel they're not) when it comes to other people's reasoning. It's not saying that it's what they're trying to say, but this post as well as the one below it are mostly along the lines of "they're clearly doing A" - others may read it differently, but that's the feel I get from it. Korts may be wording things better than me about it.

I don't see anything suspect about not putting people at L-1, so commentary from Jingle saying keychain is suspect for that I disagree with - I also am generally finding keychain townish at the moment aside from that. Similarly have town-leaning reads on Korts and insanity.

I'm vaguely interested in seeing the final reveal of Jingle's Grand Plan. Withholding judgment until then.

If there's anything else specifically you'd like me to comment on, feel free to ask. I don't have much else to say on the mind.

Pending content from CultOfAthena's replacement and certain other people's postings, I am comfortable doing the following:

UNVOTE: CultOfAthena

VOTE: Aristophanes

[RayFrost]

Activity is currently this low because of the holiday season coinciding with the start of the game, leading to an even lower level of activity from a playerbase that came in expecting to have low levels of activity.

As far as I am aware, everyone is voting seriously.

[RayFrost]

I'd appreciate an expansion on the Korts read, if one is available to be had.

You've made a lot more slight comprehension errors than I'd normally expect from you. How closely would you say you're reading the thread?
Do you have any particularly strong reads at this time? I see a few weak ones, but nothing strong. If not, do you have any particular reasons behind that?

I liked Korts' initial posting and don't see anything particularly wrong with his current posting (as in it's neutral). Ergo, town-leaning.

I'm reading close enough to post what I'm posting. I'm not the only one having comprehension errors re: your case, so I'd say the lack of clarity is on your side not mine?

And I don't recall having much of a history of Very Good Comprehension in general if there's a lot of other things I'm missing. My most recent history was almost entirely me being told I'm wrong about everything by the other players in the game. Further history delving doesn't show a lot of Understanding And Empathy. I say things are how I see them to be.

My strongest read at the moment is the scumread I have on Aristophanes, along with the scumread I had on CultOfAthena's playerslot (which I've put on hold pending review).

Reason: there is not as of yet enough content for me to feel I have a stronger grasp on anything else I've stated. I am thinking about things, but not all of my thoughts have a place in this thread at this point in time.

[RayFrost]

I'll be able to properly catch up and post over the weekend, response to one question I can respond to quickly:

Hopkirk, my lack of response to your posting was due to my choice to wait and see what further contributions you made to the thread before placing a judgment.

[RayFrost]

Also not a fan of reck's only recent content being "this person is scummy and so them replacing out is also suspect" - hopefully he has more to offer when he's back from HAVING FUN WITHOUT US.

[RayFrost]

I'm terribly sorry but life is kicking me hard in a variety of ways.

Mod: Please replace me.

I simply don't have the time / energy to keep up with mafia. Even at this slow pace. My apologies.