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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:24 pm

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VOTE: Jingle

A Christmas-themed vote.
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Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:18 am

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In post 11, Korts wrote:
In post 5, Jingle wrote:VOTE: Korts

Chainsaw defense.
Hmmm can you elaborate? Am I the perpetrator of this chainsaw defense, or are you justifying your vote with it? And do you mean the PolarBoy or the Tarhalindur version of the chainsaw defense?
I agree that this questioning feels superficial.

1) Putting a serious spin on a jovial RVS vote

2) Obviously he wasn't accusing you of being the perpetrator. How would that even have been possible in this scenario?

3) It's obvious which version he meant. Did this really need to be asked?
In post 14, Korts wrote:VOTE: Jingle

Much obliged.
Follows up his serious questioning with a jokey-looking vote?
In post 15, Jingle wrote:Serious votes time.

VOTE: Korts

Assuming I’m right there, reck is probably town. I don’t see two scum jumping so blatantly for such an obvious piece of bait. I do find Korts’ line of questioning incredibly superficial, to the point where it overshadows recks lack of RVS vote.

You may all begin groveling at my clearly superior ability now. I’ll see you tomorrow.
I like this apart from the
'reck is probably town'
bit. I disagree with the general idea that scum wouldn't jump on the same wagon early on; it happens all the time
because
no-one thinks they would.
In post 17, Korts wrote:
Sigh. Jingle, if you're going to play the look-at-me-I'm-scum-but-scum-wouldn't-say-that reaction test game, let people weigh in and allow the situation to develop before you jump in with your grand analysis.


"Superficial" questioning, really? What exactly were you expecting in response? I asked you to confirm that yes, you are claiming a scumtell on yourself, which you did, and now you're shocked that your wagon took off. Pull your head out of yourself, dude.


By the way - if Reck's "probably town," why mention his lack of RVS vote? What does that indicate, exactly?
Bolded
- this is a good point.

Italics
- Your questioning was pointless as I stated above.

Underlined
- The fact I could answer this myself means this is probably another pointless question.
In post 19, Aristophanes wrote:
I honestly keep going back to Jingle's VT claim and feeling uneasy about it! It just feels wrong. Their play otherwise is alright so far but nothing stellar.


I like Reck and Korts thus far!


Athena, why is getting a game moving towny, and how do you think he is doing so? I don't see as much forward movement as you seem to in their posts.
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- It feels wrong, but not enough to make you switch from your RVS vote? What exactly is so wrong with it anyway?

Italics
- Why?

Underlined
- You don't see forward movement? All the discussion in the game has stemmed from Jingle's opening posts.



UNVOTE:

VOTE: Korts
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Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:30 am

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In post 22, insanity018 wrote:UNVOTE:

I don't think Jingle's VT claim is alignment indicative. In this setup, what else could he possibly have complained?

But I really don't like this post. It's prefaced as 'serious votes time' but the reasoning doesn't really make much sense.
In post 15, Jingle wrote:Serious votes time.

VOTE: Korts

Assuming I’m right there, reck is probably town. I don’t see two scum jumping so blatantly for such an obvious piece of bait. I do find Korts’ line of questioning incredibly superficial, to the point where it overshadows recks lack of RVS vote.
If it's such an obvious piece of bait, why do you assume that any scum would have jumped on it in the first place?

Is it bad to have 'superficial questioning' when not many others questions have been asked in the game yet?


Also, what is bad about Reck not voting during RVS?


It's not a question of what's good or bad, but what is scummy, and superficial questioning is scummy.


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In post 23, insanity018 wrote:
In post 16, Keychain wrote:
That said, Reck's also looked pretty tongue in cheek to me so Korts's follow on was unexpected and felt out of place.
I see Korts's post(s) as similarly tongue in cheek. Why do you think that Korts sounds more out of place than Reck?
In post 18, CultOfAthena wrote:I like Jingle's posting so far – he's getting the game moving.

VOTE: Keychain
Why no vote?
In what ways has Jingle got the game moving? I see Jingle making 1 RVS post, 1 discussion-ny post and 1 'serious vote' with dubious reasoning.
Why is it scummy to not be voting atm?


Korts' is more out of place because it was subsequent to his serious questioning.

You asked earlier is it bad to have superficial questioning early on, so I ask you is it bad to have dubious reasoning early on?


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In post 24, insanity018 wrote:I am liking Reck for town at the moment. Townlean on Aristophanes as well.

In particular, I feel that Reck's has genuine intent to probe at Keychain's play.


Explain this Ari townread to me.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:52 pm

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In post 27, Korts wrote:
In post 25, Luca Blight wrote:1) Putting a serious spin on a jovial RVS vote

2) Obviously he wasn't accusing you of being the perpetrator. How would that even have been possible in this scenario?

3) It's obvious which version he meant. Did this really need to be asked?
1) I don't see why people are hearing a serious tone. Deadpan, maybe. I deliberately took the scumtell claim at face value to increase its potential to generate useful discussion.

2) There was no subject included in his two-word justification for the vote. Justifications for votes are usually meant to implicate the target of the vote, and me being the perpetrator would have made as much sense (i.e. zero) as him.

3) Sure, yeah, but I wanted to give him an opportunity to subvert expectations. That whole line of questioning was to get him to explicitly commit to the scum claim.
1) I'm not sure what you expected would happen other than a continuation of the RVS jesting. It feels to me like you were deliberately setting up a situation whereby you could vote him for the apparent scumclaim, but then excuse yourself by saying you were just reaction-testing yourself.

2) Context is important here. As I said, there is no way, even from an RVS standpoint, that you could be accused of a chainsaw defence there.

3) How would you have responded had he subverted expectations?
In post 27, Korts wrote:
In post 25, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 17, Korts wrote:
By the way - if Reck's "probably town," why mention his lack of RVS vote? What does that indicate, exactly?
Underlined
- The fact I could answer this myself means this is probably another pointless question.
Go ahead and answer it, then.
It's showing both sides of the coin. Jingle townreads him based on his flawed reasoning that you're probably not partners, but also shows the side of Reck's play he hasn't liked so far. Just because you townread someone, it doesn't mean that read has to be locked down forever and you can't make small reference points to refer back to later on. I think everyone does this to some degree.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:35 pm

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In post 28, Jingle wrote: Also, Luca may be scum.
Of course I may be; I wouldn't expect anyone to trust me implicitly based on a post or two, but what particularly makes you want to point this out here?
In post 31, Korts wrote: I do agree with your Luca suspicion.
Why are sheeping this opinion rather than raising it yourself earlier?
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Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:48 am

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In post 40, Jingle wrote:
In post 34, Luca Blight wrote:Of course I may be; I wouldn't expect anyone to trust me implicitly based on a post or two, but what particularly makes you want to point this out here?
Because I'd like to know one way or another, and I think posting that will make it more likely for your alignment to become apparent sooner than later because of reasons. To answer the related question of why from CoA, or rather, to fail to answer it without ignoring it, I'd rather wait to discuss it for a few more days.

On a mostly unrelated note, I recognize your name, but your gameplay is off from what I have associated with you in my memory. Which would you say is the most likely reason for this? A. A large playstyle change over the last couple of years. B. A conflation of two players in the long time between games. Or C. An intentional subversion of meta/ change of playstyle for this game? It probably doesn't matter much, and I'll get around to the meta work eventually, but I'd appreciate your two cents before I do
This is my first Geriatric game so I'm certainly adjusting my playstyle to fit in with that. I had a very long break from the site so I'm sure my play will have naturally changed as a result of that too.

What kind of gameplay did you have associated with me, out of interest?
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Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:24 am

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In post 41, RayFrost wrote:If you don't mind sharing what name I know you by, Jingle, it'd be appreciated. If not, tally-ho. I'd like to note that I haven't actually been too busy to post. I waited.

Currently of the opinion that the stuff between jingle and korts is interestingly game-starting but otherwise uninformative. Good on yous for doing the thing.

While CultOfAthena says this is meant to "pressure" keychain into voting, the entire post does a great job of not actually contributing to the ongoing game-starting discussion (what do you have against helping push things forward?) and expresses no real opinions. Pressure voting someone without applying any pressure is not actually pressure voting. Not having anything to read as scummy as fine, but faking it is suspicious.

Insanity covered other CultOfAthena-related suspicious things rather well, in my opinion.

I dislike the specificity of what Jingle calls goodposting as it seems to revolve around opinions that match his own. Also feels like an easy way to blanket not-really-respond to the posts. I dislike the fact Jingle answers a question for CultOfAthena.

The answering-for-each-other being done Luca-for-Jingle, and Jingle-for-Athena makes me twitch. I dislike twitching. I am noting that I am twitching here for future reference.

Luca's posting involves a lot of putting words into other people's mouths and doesn't feel like a lot of words coming out of his own mouth and this is questionable and worthy of suspicion.

There is nothing else that I consider noteworthy in the past page and a half of content.


I agree with most of this post, but the bolded is nonsense.

The only time I put words in someone else's mouth was when I was specifically asked to by Korts.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:24 am

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You're the one twisting what I said into a reason why you must be scum.

I still don't see why Jingle voicing his opinion should influence whether you share your own. You didn't want to OMGUS me, but then it's suddenly Ok to once someone else has voiced their own suspicion (even though that player happens to be the one you're voting)?

Also, you no longer want to
'continue the thread'
regarding Jingle, yet you're still sitting on your Jingle vote. What exactly is your read on him right now?
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Post Post #63 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:43 pm

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V/LA until 6th Jan.


I will try to keep up with the thread as much as I can while I'm away.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #9) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:26 am

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I could accuse you right now of discrediting my position and not scumhunting. What you're saying is completely baseless - you have shown nothing that suggests my post was purely set out to discredit you instead of to scumhunt.

I agreed that your questions were superficial. Why is it scummy to reiterate what someone else has said that you agree with? If I tried to claim the opinion for my own perhaps, but to openly agree with something?

It feels like you're reaching for something to scumread me for.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:50 am

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Why am I scummy for co-opting the
'superficial narrative
', but you're not scummy for co-opting Jingle's opinion that
'Luca may be scum
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Post Post #134 (isolation #11) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:32 pm

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In post 68, Korts wrote:You have conveniently failed to address the biggest indicator: undermining my questions. My reading of everything else comes from that.
I was elaborating on why I believed them to be superficial/pointless.

Back from V/LA now but still pressed for time. Will catch-up in a bit.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #12) » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:42 pm

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Man, I was really enjoying this game but the New Year break has really killed my motivation/enthusiasm to play Mafia. I think I need to take another extended hiatus from this site :(

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