Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[GuyInFreezer]

Sky_Paladin

Cirno dies first

[GuyInFreezer]

Uh VOTE: Sky_Paladin

[GuyInFreezer]

O btw guys, if you're ever wondering if it's me or Math posting, just ask yourself "is this post extremely witty and/or incredibly useless?"

If yes, it's me.
If no, it's Math.

Or if y'all feel lazy to discern between hydra heads, just follow me and do this.

VOTE: Technical Difficulties

[GuyInFreezer]

Beef, GIF, serious votes?

I am always serious.

[GuyInFreezer]

Not really...

You should've said yes
Now I'm slightly disappointed.

[GuyInFreezer]

Besides for TD, I didn't particularly dislike any of the people who did anything real so I went with an opener which is just meh and mildly pinged me.

Let me guess.
It's the emoji.

[GuyInFreezer]

[bote]sky[/vote]


Learn how to vote

VOTE: /vote sky

*smirks*

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: techinic

50% mathdino seems like a scum excuse

This feels like reaching. VOTE: RedFlavor.

This feels like reaching. VOTE: Hawk.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh thank you for quoting that cos I didn't know that the scum PT was night only.

Now I can lazytownread Not_Mafia and not care about his posts anymore.

[GuyInFreezer]

You did it wrong.

You're supposed to post

"This feels like reaching. VOTE: SOMEONE".

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck that was meant for the Scum PT

OHHHHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOO

Idk about NM’s meta, but he’s joking a crap ton about being scum and saying literally nothing of substance. Gotta keep reading to see if Math has voted, but if not, I’m voting here.

Dunno that post that you just quoted is a p hard towntell.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm going to be quiet about GIF for now because I want more time to decide how I feel about him.

aka "I have no idea wtf GIF is doing rn so I'll pretend that I have some sort of read on him or something"

[GuyInFreezer]

Vague townread on Iconeum for their reaction to the ice mafia claim as well, maybe? I'm not sure how I feel about this one. May end up 180ing.

Is this based on the assumption that he's joking or he's serious?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh by the way, I'm barely active on weekends.
I'll still be here though.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway I was gonna do something with that lolhawkvote, but I got too busy and messed up the pace so I'm just gonna drop it.
His following replies looked kinda town to me anyway.


UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

Although I always feel like scumreading Kop because he looks tryhard.

What part of

I'm not voting for Not Mafia this day phase. I have had a lot of dealings with Not Mafia and he plays the same almost, in either alignment. It gets to a point that he virtually becomes a policy lynch for myself because he's hard to read. So I'm not prepared to jump on that wagon just yet.

But this vote stands out for me.

VOTE: RedFlavour

and

Not Mafia may be chatting shit with his ramblings and his claims, and yes whilst I jump on those type of comments, I just think he's dicking around.

Lynching him this day phase may appease those comments if he flips scum, but if he flips town, where does that leaves us on moving forward?

looks tryhard to you?

[GuyInFreezer]

I still think Not_Mafia joking with incorrect game mechanic is town, btw.
(If people wanted to know why I townread N_M, there ya go.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh, let me be lazy for one more day.
Have too much on my plate today.

[GuyInFreezer]

There's 5 hours between this post and the general read list in 177, yet both hawk and red move from suspected scum to null? 6 players become more scummy then his 'possibly a scumteam' read.

Is it unlikely for that to happen?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not quite sure why, but I was sheeping Tatl and Tael for a while... Upon closer inspection, they look scummier than they did initially.

I'm not sure what to think about Sesq
I was wrong about TD and heavily misread - They're probably town.
Tatl and Tael seem quite self-conscious. It's a hard slot to read, but I'm going to lean scum on them. Tael's opening post that was theory-heavy looks somewhat suspicious and that hydra slip looks like it may have been deliberate attempt to look like careless town. Same could be said about head contradiction.
RedFlavor and Hawk both look reaching in their logic. I suspect they're both scum, possibly even a scumteam. But it's hard to say anything for sure.
Not_Mafia seems passive/lurky, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention.

VOTE: Hawk

Does not
me and hawk were reaching so we can be scumteam
sound reaching?

VOTE: beefster

And this is one heck of an overreaction.

VOTE: RedFlavor

[GuyInFreezer]

not quite sure about Hawk tbh

[GuyInFreezer]

There's 5 hours between this post and the general read list in 177, yet both hawk and red move from suspected scum to null? 6 players become more scummy then his 'possibly a scumteam' read.

Is it unlikely for that to happen?

I'm not sure if unlikely is the word I wanna use here. It doesn't make any sense. Nothing changed in that timeframe. And 'upon rereading' making a full 180? So yes, unlikely. It feels more like backtracking under pressure.

I said unlikely because it can indeed happen. I've changed my reads (not in this game because I'm kinda :lazy:ing rn) within 30 minutes of posting my readlists while rereading before.

[GuyInFreezer]

HOWEVER, #219 is a very terrible (scummy terrible) and ppl should put some more votes on that dude.

[GuyInFreezer]

@GIF: Please explain exactly why you backed off Hawk. Do a towncase if you have to.

I'll answer if your replacement asks the same question.

[GuyInFreezer]

No, only from that replacement.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't get why people post after they replace out.
I personally think it's kinda breaking the spirit of the game.

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

Felt genuine and like he was *trying* to me. Like it doesn't feel faked to me.

Why do you think it was scummy?

That "trying" had a lot of scummy intention.
As if he wanted to justify(? dunno if it's the correct word here) that "townread" too hard

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes let's PL with two scumsided nightkills

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me just show you the math

13 players: 9:2:2

D1 mislynch + two town kills = 6:2:2
D2 mislynch + two town kills = 3:2:2

If the luck is not in our favor we can get rekt in 2 mislynches
2. mislynches.

Do you know what this mean?

[GuyInFreezer]

Are you that convinced lynching NM flips green?

This amount of conviction is how I won my first towngame on this site!

[GuyInFreezer]

No it was a singleball (a newbie game)

[GuyInFreezer]

Hawk and RedFlavour are obvscum

Convince me

Read RF's iso

[GuyInFreezer]

Doesn't change that town is more likely to be killed than scum.

tbh I don't know why I even had to announce it in the first place. It's a really simple number magic.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually I confidentally stated that NM is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm just that confident.
And you know it's really my confidence because this is a multiball.

[GuyInFreezer]

You liar.
You replaced into this game on your own will.

[GuyInFreezer]

aaaaah I'm sorry!
Please force me to do your bidding and make me buy a bethesda game.

Oh god dammit

[GuyInFreezer]

H-hello!
My name is Mikan Tsumiki. I-I am the ultimate nurse!
My m-master told me to join this game because I had to be punished
Uuuuuu
I-I hate multiball

VOTE: Hawk
I-I'm sorry you're scum, please fry me on a gristle.

Reasoning??

The entire lot of you lurkers sure do like to just throw votes out there and not post a single god damn reason for them. Skitter is literally the only one whos listing why they think I'm scum and not just playing like shit.

NM drops in every now and then to throw a one liner and not get prodded.

Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

Beefster and skitter have been have engaging with me

And now I'm being voted solely off *I'm sorry you're scum??*

VOTE: Mikan Get the fuck outta here.

Could this be it?

The famed "caught for the wrong reason?"

[GuyInFreezer]

Thank you for your confession.

VOTE: Hawk

[GuyInFreezer]

tbh if Hawk flips town I'll be a bit sad cos people are just bullying him for lulz

While I'm always serious.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Oh, just so y'all know, we're still lynching RF today.)

[GuyInFreezer]

This is a misrep and if you guys would take a damn minute and look at the game you would see that I haven't done half the things people are accusing me of doing.

Well I did say "caught for the

wrong

reason" for a reason.

[GuyInFreezer]

YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED IT'S THE QUOTE NM POSTED WORD FOR WORD EARLIER THAT EVERYONE IGNORED AND DECIDED WAS NAI!!

Actually I'm quite aware of that.
I'm just trolling.
Seriously trolling.
Because I'm always serious.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well I think all the dangerous folks are in your wagon so you prob won't need to worry about being lolhammered.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

Breathing space I guess

[GuyInFreezer]

I-I have a suggestion
I-If you do not like this suggestion please feed me to snakes.

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Who told you to chime in you filthy pig

[GuyInFreezer]

You saying this while riding the Hawk wagon all the way to a claim at L-1 puzzles me.

Actually I didn't know that my vote was L-1, or I would've announced it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok y'all had some cooldown? Great.

Now let's get back to the business.

VOTE: RF

[GuyInFreezer]

And to those who have problem with Mikan's self-imposed post restriction

At least she's not Gundham Tanaka.
Trust me, it CAN get worse.

[GuyInFreezer]

Okay

VOTE: mikan

let's consolidate here.

annoying and non-contributive. let's pile em up boys

wtf don't get distracted by shiny things

VOTE: mikan


I am just bored and this player's tone is suspicious so I'm voting her

this player's tone is suspicious so I'm voting her

this player's tone is suspicious

suspicious

This guy is literally using random words to lynch the low hanging fruit.

Is Mikan useless? Yes.
Trolling? Certainly?
But suspicious? Hell no.

Why are we not lynching this yet

[GuyInFreezer]

Do you have any thoughts on other players? Namely, you are currently voting RedFlavor so for you to pick out this one thing seems odd.

This is a very easy question to answer tbh but hey I'll still let him answer.

[GuyInFreezer]

I voted NM because it seemed like progress on mumble and RedFlavor wasn't going anywhere...

Pls vote RF.

About RedFlavour:

65 'Hey guys i'm reading this slot as scum but i don't want to pressure it so I'll just vote elsewhere'.
66 feels like a defense of what I originally read as a joke.
85 'Oh it wouldn't be as much pressure as I thought and i'm being called out for it, so i'd better switch there now'.

110 Yo Red, if you thought I made weird looking posts, why didn't you call me out yourself?

113 is a lie: Red didn't think NM was at L-1, he literally said he didn't want to bring NM to L-1. See 65.

I'd vote Red over Hawk 100% of the time here.

Hey you too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw I forgot to mention this

Okay

VOTE: mikan

let's consolidate here.

annoying and non-contributive. let's pile em up boys

We
are
not
f*ing
policy lynching
in
multiball

[GuyInFreezer]

-Tatl

Bring Tael here
Tell him to read RF's iso
and put that vote to where it belongs.

@N_M let's lynch RF pls

[GuyInFreezer]

Maybe if there are 6 votes on a wagon someone will lolhammer

[GuyInFreezer]

wtf no you get back here and vote rf

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Sesq

for backtracking... ish.

Sir your vote is in the wrong place.
Please fix it and vote RF asap.
Thank you.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Sesq

for backtracking... ish.

If what he did was a backtracking, then it was a good backtracking.
He literally voted Mikan as a policy lynch.

[GuyInFreezer]

L-2!

For those who grumbled about RF wagon not gaining traction, you're welcome.

Now we just need 2 more.

P-Edit: Indeed.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well, actually, 1 more.

We already have someone intending to hammer.

[GuyInFreezer]

That would be fantastic.

You can always ISO RF to convince yourself if that's the way you prefer.

[GuyInFreezer]

Tbh that Mikan vote is enough as a case

That Mikan vote was

1. very opportunistic
2. with BS reasoning
3. going with a flow of "Mikan is being useless"

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean, sure, Mikan could be scum.
But this is multiball after all.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean at this point literally only thing that will work in his favor is if he claims doctor.
Which I won't believe 100%.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw, I don't know why you want the hammer when Ico already called one.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: redflavour

Doc is on me
-Tael

Wtf no doc on me
You're not getting killed

[GuyInFreezer]

First off you're scum

Second off I've survived the first night of my presence in game one game this year and it's also my only win

Gif is scum trying to bait the doc off me to kill me

If I am dead 1) doc is a moron and 2) speedlynch gif

Pft I'd kill Mikan over you N1 if I'm scum

[GuyInFreezer]

No you wouldn't gif.

I'm actually serious.

[GuyInFreezer]

Are we randomly outing alts now?
Although I knew already

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean I don't see scummy hammer
Only justice

LAMIST

[GuyInFreezer]

hi you know I'm good enough to do better plays as scum than to lurk and scummy hammer and my Hydra partner not doing her part isn't going to.make scum any less likely to nightkill me?

Like 100% one team kills me if I'm not docced I only live if both do

U-uh, I think its just my opinion that I don't like the fact you've been laying low.

Fuck you you know that I don't lurk or lie low as scum in multiball where my only chance of survival is the doc save.

Ali is scum

I bet it would be thrilling when you break it one day.

[GuyInFreezer]

How would town mikan talk to you?

[GuyInFreezer]

I guess I'm grabbing a popcorn D2 if I live

[GuyInFreezer]

Do you know what would be hilarious

RF flipping town

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif, while we're in twilight, thoughts on Kop?

Didn't really pay attention to him that much.

[GuyInFreezer]

But I'm making it as clear as possible where my reads stand

Thoughts on Hawk/Sesq/skitter pls

In case you're somehow really nightkilled.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunno if that will appease the doc to be on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

RC is a serial killer, keychain probable partner.

[GuyInFreezer]

Kop kill is very interesting

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod:

Has mumble been replaced? Also

Fire Mafia kills and Ice Mafia kills have different kill flavour (i.e. the moderator will make it clear which Mafia team was responsible for each kill).

VOTE: GIF

I don't like the way you pushed the Red wagon and I don't like any of your twilight posts.

I also have scumreads on Beef and Mikan. My only townread of note right now is Iconeum but it's weakening.

How did I push the red wagon exactly?
Your own words pls

[GuyInFreezer]

(This is not me disagreeing that I pushed the Red wagon.
I did it, proudly, and with no regret)

[GuyInFreezer]

How did I push the red wagon exactly?
Your own words pls

You were lobbying for votes on him by like asking anyone who posted to vote him. You took it from like two votes to L+1 in hours and I still maintain that he wasn't scummy. He was like awkward in a trying newb town kinda way.

I must be a very charismatic player to pull that off like that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh don't worry he's not even pushing the fact well because this guy is clearly not explaining how I was able to get that wagon up so fast in the first place.

[GuyInFreezer]

although I can't specifically recall why RF was being scum read other than this.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out every time he made scummy post.
And no this was not just a lollynch on inactive player because that would be like 100% against what I preached Day 1.

[GuyInFreezer]

So yes, him not being active was 0% concern of me.
I mean I'm town and I'm shamelessly inactive.

[GuyInFreezer]

I should not have gone along with you.

Oh?

I'm preeeeetty sure I let you decide if you wanted to join the wagon or not.

That would be fantastic.

You can always ISO RF to convince yourself if that's the way you prefer.

Maybe I'll hammer after RF claims.

I need to evaluate this for myself.

Yup. Hammer after claim. Unless RF says something that somehow redeems him.

[GuyInFreezer]

My only concern is that she was part of the back and forth with Tatl and Tael that resulted in them putting doc in every post which proooooobably gave away that they were the doc.

You have no idea
how much I tried to fix this
by softing doc myself

[GuyInFreezer]

And how does that make me scum?
Would I be scum if RF flipped scum?

[GuyInFreezer]

I just read through your ISO and I see no softclaiming doc.

VOTE: redflavour

Doc is on me
-Tael

Wtf no doc on me
You're not getting killed

But I'm making it as clear as possible where my reads stand

Thoughts on Hawk/Sesq/skitter pls

In case you're somehow really nightkilled.

Dunno if that will appease the doc to be on you.

[GuyInFreezer]

You can use it either to get votes off you

Did you feel the urge to get your vote off me when I replied that to

Sky

?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm also gonna wait a bit until more people talk, because I do have some fun thing to cook up.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF does quite a bit of white knighting against PLs in 267, 273, and 378

Do you even know what white knighting is?

273 in particular reeks of IIOA.

Do you even know what IIOA is?

He really likes pointing out that this is a multiball game. It seems as if every third post from him makes some reference to that.

And?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also

In general, his tone comes off as trying too hard to be friendly/joking.

I'm pretty sure I was anything but friendly this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's easy to stand up to policy lynches and it's an easy way to earn towncred.

Focusing on stats in the context that you brought them up doesn't look all that great.

You do realize that I had to step up because the policy lynch was actually happening, right?
You even agreed with me sarcastically.

Last time I was in a multiball as scum, I called attention to the fact that it was multiball and therefore scum would scumhunt. It, among other factors was my demise.

Apparently you don't see the difference of what you did as scum apparently and what I did so let me clarify it for you.
What you did, was stating an obvious theory that everyone with a half of brain knew about, in attempt to earn towncred.
What I did, was stopping the anti-town thing from happening because some of the people had no clue what the hell they were doing.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because you're always serious.

Always.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't really think beef is scum either, which is kinda frustrating because all I can do is snap back at him for that piece of work.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also

You were, rather confidently, pressuring my vote one way or the other. I was put off by it at the time even though I sort of kinda saw scum in RF (at first). You primed my thought processes for a scum read.

You call it pressuring.
I call it convincing.

[GuyInFreezer]

rather than actually refuting my points

Not refuting? You speak as if you had a point in the first place.

OH LOOK HELLO THIS IS BEEFCASE

In general, his tone comes off as trying too hard to be friendly/joking.

False statement that everyone who skims my ISO can clearly see. Hey didn't I say this already?

His RF tunnel strikes me as odd. 197 was the first he ever mentioned RF in any meaningful capacity and he never provided a single justification for the wagon other than that post.

I didn't need to justify anything when people could ISO him and already see what I was talking about. I didn't even bother with responding to this because, hey,

YOU

were one of the people who checked the ISO as I asked and went "yeah scum lol."

GIF does quite a bit of white knighting against PLs in 267, 273, and 378

273 in particular reeks of IIOA.

Using terms that do not fit the situation. Hey, I think I already said this too.
You call it fiddling with terminology but I do it because it matters, when describing what I did with the term you used falsely accuses me of doing scummy things when what I did was totally not what you described.
Some people call this "misrepresentation" using "buzzwords."

311 and 314 are garbage.

Nice points. 10 points for Gryffindor.

He really likes pointing out that this is a multiball game. It seems as if every third post from him makes some reference to that.

Obviously all that multiball thing was mentioned because my point was that PLing in multiball is bad for town. Oh hey, didn't I already say this as well?

Jokes about townflip on 440

And? It's not like I knew that he was actually flipping town. This is multiball, remember? Also silly thing so I didn't even bother.

457 is suspicious.

Your great point #2.

Your "case" basically contained:
1. False statement that can be proven wrong easily just by ISOing me, or well, following the game
2. Skipping context to paint some actions as scummy
3. "misrepresentation using buzzwords"
4. Just calling things "garbage" and "suspicious"

You have 3 posts to accept your shame and stop calling this a so-called case, before I go total war on you for rest of the Day 2.

[GuyInFreezer]

"GIF why the overreaction"

The fact that I have to deal with the "case" so low in caliber is just fucking

insulting

to me.
Even more when it looks like he's serious.

[GuyInFreezer]

RE: being insulted

This just builds my frustration because I can no longer tell if this is just bad or scummy.
Already getting similar thing wrong once (RF lynch was still #justice) doesn't help it either.

[GuyInFreezer]

It'd be easy to just call this scum but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me please the dead while I decide

VOTE: Mikan

[GuyInFreezer]

but you've sort of taken control of the game

I mean nobody else is posting.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh by the way, let me tell you the secret of assembling RF wagon so quickly.

Look at the posts I quoted carefully, sans those I told them to check RF.

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: answer

Yes, that is correct.
I actually just formed a "compromise" wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

Sure, you left the choice "entirely" up to me and simply directed me to RF's ISO. I felt pressured and I suspect that affected my biases. If that's not "taking control of the game" I don't know what is.

I don't understand why you felt the pressure in the first place.
I don't understand how me asking you to look at RF could create bias (enough to change the read, it sounds like). It's not like you were townreading him You had him as a null-scum range the entire Day 1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh that was literally "your vote is in the wrong place because ypu're not voting RF"
You know, rallying call

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah, and that's what I don't like about it.

So just jealousy. gotcha gotcha.
Because I don't know who wouldn't want to lynch their scumreads more effectively than rallying people who have shown interest in lynching the same scumread.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm saying that I don't like it because it felt compromise-y and like people went along with it because it was just *there* and were just like 'why not?'.

I mean as someone pointed out, RF scumread was literally my

only

major scumread that I even pushed D1.
It is impossible for me to push for RF lynch as a compromise when he was literally my only major scumread that I even bothered pushing D1.

I only said that wagon was "compromise" because it probably was for others. It wasn't for me.
#StillTakingFullResponsibiliy #StillNoRegret #StillJustice

[GuyInFreezer]

I only said that wagon was "compromise"

because it probably was for others

. It wasn't for me.

OK, and does like concern you at all?

No?
He was my scumread and I wanted him lynched?
And this game is a multiball so it is totally acceptable and understandable that scum would be on different scum wagon?

You were on the RF wagon for about half the day. That's not compromise.

Good grief.
I literally just said that

I

was not compromising, and explained how it was impossible for me to compromise on RF wagon in the first place.

That's going for the low hanging fruit.

I betcha you wouldn't have said this in Day 1, considering how agreeable (pressured, biased, whatever) you were to lynch him yesterday.
hindsight 10/10

[GuyInFreezer]

Beef, next time you say something, please at least attempt to read first.
It will save both you and me a headache, or everyone who's reading your posts really.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like ... you agree with me that the wagon was kinda compromise-y and that opposing scum might be on it, so why don't you seem to be much concerned about this?

Because I was scumreading RF?
Like all these "concerns" (Oh noes wagon went weird it must be on town etc) you mention doesn't really have the same effect in multiball.

[GuyInFreezer]

Don't lynch anyone yey
I need to go through Kop posts

[GuyInFreezer]

A)The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling;

What connects these?

[GuyInFreezer]

Some things to linger on for later:

1. Sky_Paladin is not a Red Mafia (Assuming that needle = red and KGB = blue)

Needle kill is Fire and KGB insignia is Ice.

[GuyInFreezer]

Man TD rep-out post still bothers me.
I know Titus (relative of MB) pulled this almost same thing long time ago as scum: posting something big and readlist thing before replacing out (It was an open from long time ago, I think faith++?), so the chance is, MB is also capable of pulling this off.

[GuyInFreezer]

No, 225.

[GuyInFreezer]

I have a very reaching tinfoil theory of Sky/Mikan blueteam.
How far should I speculate this?

[GuyInFreezer]

Of course, there is SOME minor reasons to even think of that in the first place.

1. Sky's claiming that RC was obvdoc seemed like being cheeky scum
2. Mikan vs RC was Mikan just being snarky and then now she's back to doing nothing.
3. They both have reasons to kill RC, even though he barely did nothing D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

????????

[GuyInFreezer]

but
GiF
475

And?

[GuyInFreezer]

(9) Back to this, GIF. 571. "1. Sky_Paladin is not a Red Mafia (Assuming that needle = red and KGB = blue)" Where did it come from? As for your 578, why are you scumreading SkyPaladin and why do you think he's blue scum with Mikan? Why can't they be red scum? Why is it important which team a scum belongs to if we manage to lynch scum? There hasn't been a scum-flip yet!!!

I did say it was a tinfoil theory.
And the reason for them being blue scum is listed very nicely in those 3 points.

[GuyInFreezer]

continued

Mikan is a town read for me, on account of Technical Difficulties post D1.

GIF, why are you voting Mikan?

The reason is literally with the vote

[GuyInFreezer]

if I die tonight quicklynch Mikan pls

[GuyInFreezer]

Well, after you found Not_Mafia, Control Group half-dissolved in the kitchen sink

Yup this kill is the cheeky kill.

VOTE: Mikan

[GuyInFreezer]

Well, I guess it COULD be the xkill attempt I guess

[GuyInFreezer]

Who were scumreading NM again?

[GuyInFreezer]

Well, after you found Not_Mafia, Control Group half-dissolved in the kitchen sink

Yup this kill is the cheeky kill.

VOTE: Mikan

You have till I finish umineko to Lynch me before I get back

aaaaaaaah sorry sorry please forgive meeeee.
Y-you have 4-5 days to do whatever.
VOTE: gif

You heard this, people
Light up your inner rebel
Bring forth justice

[GuyInFreezer]

That Not_Mafia kill certainly did not come from those who thought he was town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll wait patiently.

[GuyInFreezer]

then he's scum because he scared of me being a threat.

There is literally one person who I'm scared of as scum in this entire site.
And that's pienyan.

[GuyInFreezer]

Never mind the fact that the play I've played this entire time is very detrimental to play as scum in multiball, if I was scum who felt threatened by you, I would've killed you over, you know, KOP, NOT_MAFIA or HAWKSLOT, no?

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, seriously, I literally played this way the whole time so that I can eat nightkill because I wanted out of this game ASAP.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, if Mikan wants to get the reads out after 5 days, that's fine with me I guess, but I really think it would be Mikan who killed RC N1. I don't see anyone else, especially RC barely did jack all Day 1.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not very happy with the Beefster lynch btw, scum wagon don't go as easy on d2 as rule of thumb.
So yeah this town needs to clam its tities.

Right now, Sesq's post doesn't make me read him less scum.
and scum list are good

Scumming up:
skitter
sesq
possibly GIF (it was one of GIF or sesq yesterday) I dunno, I like sesq as scum better so GIF as null

NULL
SKy
Ico

TOwn:
Mikan


I'll do a VCA next now we have a scum flip.

Flip that upside down and it's very similar to mine.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif, do you have only one scum as suspect? Really? and i'm not even on your list?

That was me telling you that your readlist sucks.

[GuyInFreezer]

If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Please do.
Cos I see Sky as very strong potential partner of Mikan.

[GuyInFreezer]

@GIF: What do you think about the fact that RC wanted you lynched if he died?

More reason for me-town :shrug:

[GuyInFreezer]

I kinda think that we probably want to lynch the fire mafia today so that we don't have two kills tonight.

GIF, what do you think about this?

Guess that's optimal.
I have no leads on the fire one though.

[GuyInFreezer]

Of course there is the MO, a big one too: establish that I'm town and can't be scum. It is just as important when a single mislynch can endgame.

[GuyInFreezer]

I am a very self conscious player by the way, and I appeal to my own competence that i wouldn't play the game such a way that aims to eat a nightkill, and playing just that as a scum is not worth the WIFOM at all, when dying as scum like that is a borderline gamethrowing.

[GuyInFreezer]

(And this is why I like playing multiball, because being semi-provable town is easy in multiball much more than in singleball)

[GuyInFreezer]

With that said, I'll prob have to go

@mod: V/LA for 3 days

because I'm having less and less time to pay attention in mafia games.

[GuyInFreezer]

Spring could be redscum tbh
But the only reason I have for that was her comment on Kop death: it was kinda too descriptive

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: spring

[GuyInFreezer]

Please demonstrate that it was a hypothesis only scum could have emitted.

You know, this is not how mafia works. Lot of the things can come from both town and mafia. It's more of "which alignment is more likely to do this"

[GuyInFreezer]

And which alignement is more likely to think that the Kop kill, on a lurker was trying to target a doc?

Both!

But that's not my point sooooo
(Hint: It's "too descriptive" part)

[GuyInFreezer]

And it felt kinda distance-y and posture-y since GIF had been loudly proclaiming a townread on NM - if he floats the idea that someone with a scumread on NM killed him, it kinda distances him from the kill.

I can only see NM kill as an attempt to xkill. Like, think about it for just a bit. Would killing NM for wifom reason worth it when there are others?

...You know what, I'll just come clean. I'm just mostly salty that even he get to eat a nightkill over me.

[GuyInFreezer]

It was at this point that GiF suddenly pushed for a RedFlavor wagon.

Actually it was when the PL talk came on rise. I was not going to accept PLs in multiball (especially on my townread, nonetheless) and I felt like RF was kept going under the radar while a lot of people scumread him, so I pushed it hard.

Don't believe me? Look at my rallying post. Look at the quotes that I quoted.

[GuyInFreezer]

And yes, he was literally my only scumread (one that mattered anyway) during the entire D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

This is a post.

#760 has no point.

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF - thoughts on Skitter/my posts on this page?

too
damn
long

[GuyInFreezer]

What is town-motivated about Alisae play? Bashes everything and everyone that has a different opinion, not a single effort to try and get some form of town cohesion. Quite the opposite in fact.
I'm not calling spring town, but I am not voting where Alisae is.

I don't think Alisae is a fire scum sooooo

[GuyInFreezer]

Right, and the fact that you started off the day voting for them given that you don't think they're fire mafia is kinda bothering me.

Inner sadist got too excited

[GuyInFreezer]

I never thought of you as fire scum ever

[GuyInFreezer]

I have a very reaching tinfoil theory of Sky/Mikan blueteam.
How far should I speculate this?

[GuyInFreezer]

I have a very reaching tinfoil theory of Sky/Mikan blueteam.
How far should I speculate this?

I'd be very interested in hearing about this theory.

I mean I explained that few posts below that post already.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gif, of you think something you want to speculate about you have to explain your reasonning not drop one liners that doesn't say anyyhing to test the water?

If you're talking about #797, it's already explained literally few posts below, and this is like my fifth time saying the same thing.
Who's testing the water now?

[GuyInFreezer]

A) Me because my speculation about why Kop died

You do realize that it's based on how the spec was done, not based on the fact that the spec was done, right?

I already explained this once, so I think I can count this as a misrep.

[GuyInFreezer]

Plus I townread sesq and ico, and I don't think how skitter acted today is redscum sooooo

[GuyInFreezer]

Please explain how my speculation was more "descriptive " (IIrc) than your speculation.

Not relatively descriptive.
Just too descriptive.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why don't you think I'm redscum?

You're the one who reminded me about lynching redscum

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm quite bothered by the fact that the only reason you find me scummy is some hypothesis I did regarding the NK, which I didn't even put emphasis on, but then come up which I find far reaching without blinking an eyelid. It's dissonant.

No that was my reason to start seeing you as redscum.

If you were towning up I would be unvoting you; I'm not THAT stuck-up, you see.

[GuyInFreezer]

(That, and PoE. Look closely on my "not-red-scum list," and see the remaining players list)

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF - if Spring is red, why haven't blue hammered?

Blue absolutely will not hammer this dayphase.

[GuyInFreezer]

By hammer, I mean like scumhammer.

[GuyInFreezer]

lolscum

[GuyInFreezer]

Man I was secretly hoping that you were town
Because of what TD pulled after repping out

[GuyInFreezer]

I think scum is:

Spring, gif, sky, icon, sesq, in that order.

Dunno why you have me up there when all the Fire Mafia is dead.

[GuyInFreezer]

The thing that bothered you most about me is that I didn't immediately go for the Fire mafia and went for my Ice mafia read.
That's what Fire mafia would've done, and now I'm confirmed not Fire mafia.

[GuyInFreezer]

then everybody is confirmed not Fire mafia

I mean yeah duh
I put emphasis on me not being a fire mafia cos that's basically what skitter has been pushing me for.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well it's not even a push.

"has been bothered for"

[GuyInFreezer]

singleball is how mafia is meant to be played.

I mean original mafia didn't have PRs either.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh noes
I quit mafur 3ever

[GuyInFreezer]

Bit busy; will be back tonight

[GuyInFreezer]

I could've sworn I posted.

I think I'm leaning on skitter/ (one of sky/spring)

skitter cos his reasons for scumreading me is expired/baited.
By baited, I mean literally going after me for "leading the mislynch" on RF when really all I've done was rallying people who were already scumreading RF. Opportune, etc.

Spring... well. I'm p sure I mentioned something about "no reason to unvote" yesterday.
That "too descriptive" thing was a hook for scumread spring, and then her following posts I just didn't feel like town was posting. This is more of a gut read than a logical read.

Sky, well, the "cheeky scumfuck" theory still stands. But less so at this point really, being LyLo and all that.

I townread Ico.

[GuyInFreezer]

Gun to the head, skitter/spring, btw.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't really think 'all you've done was rallying people who were already scumreading RF' is entirely accurate

I meant that's how I created the wagon.
I voiced my own suspicion vs RF and I remember saying that I take full responsibility with that with pride.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I'm saying that I, too, scumread RF.
But that is really all I have done to form a wagon. I didn't beg people, tried to convince people, etc.
I literally just grabbed the posts where people said they scumread RF and told them to hop in.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok I'm decided.

I'm locking on my Sky townread.

VOTE: Spring

[GuyInFreezer]

A quick one for Skitter since I've only had 5 hours sleep

There's a giant cake over Icon's posts. That's why I said happy scumday. Is it not his scumday?



Yes I see GiF's Spring vote. GiF while I appreciate the town read I would appreciate it a hell of a lot more if you actually put any value into my posts - I haven't seen you ever give any sign you agree/disagree with anything I've written, at least not where it matters. I feel you should have some interest in the fact Icon/Sky/Skitter have spent what feels like a month in RL fighting and that comprises over 50% of the player base.

This is where I am right now

- 5 people left.
- Sky is town.

- 3 left.
- Between {Ice/skitter/spring}, spring is defo scum

- I'll figure out from {Ice/skitter} later.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also re: not really responding

I'm reading posts, but I'm reading them to see how town/scummy they are, not to analyze, if that makes sense.

[GuyInFreezer]

I see no hammer
I have a good feeling

[GuyInFreezer]

You know

I've been having that unvote thing in my clipboard

and have been F5ing furiously for first few hours of my vote.

But I saw no vote.

So I think this is it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Day 3 says blue will not hammer

I believe I meant "scum quickhammer" there.

Like, "YOLO GG BOIZ" kind of scumhammer

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not real clear why GiF decides to vote Mikan in 505 other than 'to please the dead' aka Tatl and Tael.

"Pleasing the dead" was just a front tbh.
It was actually that math-rep-out-post that pinged me very very hard.

I think I mentioned this eventually.

[GuyInFreezer]

HOW THE HELL DO I HAVE THE MOST POSTS IN THIS GAME

[GuyInFreezer]

Blitz voting in 24 hours.

[GuyInFreezer]

(expired on 2018-04-03 18:00:52)

[GuyInFreezer]

I kinda think GIF has sky pocketed and wanted sky in lylo cuz it doesn't really look like sky has ever really been open to considering the possibilty of scum!GIF; he's been townreading him fairly consistently.

I actually prefer ambiguity in LyLo over pocketing as scum. Especially when I know town-Sky would roll his head around like crazy until the last moment for every possibilities.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like, me being scum means:

1. I softed a doc claim day-flipping-1 to draw nightkill for ????
2. I didn't join the beef wagon Day 2, which I could've easily and still get away with it, for ???
3. Draw aggro like crazy during first 1.5 days, for ????
3. I went for spring over Alisae, bussing my partner with other scum alive for ????
4. I killed Ico, whom I could've kept for lylo ambiguity, for ???

Man I must be the worst scum player in mafiascum in history.

[GuyInFreezer]

I dare you to say I planned all this as scum as a giant wifom
Because that's really underestimating my play capability and saying that I do not understand that drawing nightkill is not worth that giant batman gambit.

[GuyInFreezer]

Remember when I said I enjoy playing multiball as town because it's easier to prove my towniness over singleball?

[GuyInFreezer]

This however is a possibility so I am interested in seeing GiF's thoughts on why he has actually town read me.

I can't explain the 80% of the reason and I hope you understand.

I can explain the rest of the 20% though. I mostly read people by how "genuine" their posts look. But that is also my weakness, because there are people who can fit that criteria as scum and I fall easily to those.
I know from the open game that you played that I modded that (that's a lot of that eh) you are capable of doing just that. So I'm going with my

inner consciousness

gut feeling on this.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mostly read people by how "genuine" their posts look.

This is also how I reached my townread on beef. Goddamn his posts were just wrong in just about everything D2, but they didn't look faked. So I taunted him to see his follow-up, but his posts also looked like he really thought he got me as scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

3. I went for spring over Alisae, bussing my partner with other scum alive for ????

While calling spring a fire scum and calling Alisae ice scum even.

[GuyInFreezer]

he's been townreading him fairly consistently.

Define consistently for me actually.
Because I called him bluescum for quite some time.

[GuyInFreezer]

4. I went for spring over Alisae, bussing my partner with other scum alive for ????

Because I like covering my bases and try to prevent as much counterargument as possible, here you go. (Which is very hilarious and ironic considering how lazybum I am)

Yes, I am fully aware that I jumped the gun and opened with voting Alisae without thinking about which mafia is more optimal to lynch.
I am also aware that it was you (skitter) who pointed that out.

And I'd rather not see you use that against me and gain some town points so let me shut that down right now.

1. Yes, I did indeed voted Alisae first, which seems to nullify this quoted point above. However, it actually does not nullify it! Which scum did I think Alisae was when I opened with a vote on Alisae? Yep, Ice! Do you know what that means? I made a suboptimal choice of jumping my gun and voting my ice scum read. My

ICE SCUM

read. What does this imply? You tell me.
2. No, you did not point me towards lynching spring. You merely pointed me towards lynching a fire scum. Your Day 3 was mostly going against Sky (which makes you brown-nosing sky hilarious right now) and Alisae. Like 0 mention of spring.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm I probably should stop saying "I wouldn't do this" stuff.

I'm just gonna ask you to read my games and my MD posts (y'all would totally pull the efforts to do that much since it's LyLo, right? Unlike me, who

is too lazy to look up past games

prefer to play the games with only the information that I have on the past games that I have actually played) because I think if I try to do this myself it might by incorrectly seen as attempt to pull the trust tell, which is illegal and bannable offense.
So here's this "yes, technically it is possible that I totally break how I approach mafia games in general for a huge reckless gambit, so y'all meta me and decide for yerselves"