Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Aneninen]

Hi there!

[Aneninen]

Who would like to give me a short summary about the recent events took place in

Twin Peaks

the game?

(I'll have a kind of catch-up anyway.)

[Aneninen]

How do you feel about replacing in to a scum slot?
Are you fire or ice?

I know that feeling from other games.
Right now I'm neither fire nor ice. My element matches your Miltank's.

Needle kill is Fire and KGB insignia is Ice.

Flavour?

Man TD rep-out post still bothers me.

234?

[Aneninen]

VCs.

(1) Was Not Mafia an RVS wagon?
(2) Was the RedFlavour wagon a counter to Beefster's? (Meanwhile my slot was wagoned too.)
(3) Who was scum here?

Kop

, GuyInFreezer, Not_Mafia, Sesq, Beefster,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

(2) and (3) looks important, especially because the Beefster-wagon seemed to fade into nothingness.

[Aneninen]

this is gonna be mostly shoot from the hip
scumhunting in multiball is just as shit as ever
open queue needs more singleball games
anyway

This does read incredibly forced

That's terrible indeed. Although, withough knowing its context I don't know whether it's an alignment tell or not.
I can't see why it would be harder to scumhunt in a multiball (assuming there's no SK). Why did he sign up for the game then?
What has his replacement done so far?

[Aneninen]

Fuck that was meant for the Scum PT
OHHHHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOO

I know it was a long time ago but I don't think Not_Mafia used to post jokes like this by the time I was active. (I mean his earlier scum-claim too.)

I am NEVER widely townread. I have no clue why. Math’s point is fair because I am typically scumread and Math is typically townread and part of the entire point of this hydra is to fix that. So yeah I’ll probably need his excessive towniness to balance out my bad play.

Was Technical Difficulties a hydra? Regardless of the answer this post is scummy.

hi
skitter is right about everything
except this
VOTE: titi and tael

Another terrible post (as a first post).

I don't know what to think about the fact that you're apologising for voting us. Your voting post seemed pretty sure, backtracking from it feels off. Also hi again!

That was about Sesq too.
In my very first scum game I apologized when I hammered a townie. 102 was just as bad.

VOTE: Iconeum
Like...43 could have been funny and RVSy. But your 51, 54, and 58 are just...unnecessary and fake. Especially 58.
Talk to you Monday, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised to see you pop in soon.

And what if he wanted to find an inactive player whom he could scumread without much danger?

(Until the second VC. I'm not reading everything thoroughly but feel free to point out anything.)

[Aneninen]

First up, even though I've been V/LA, I only went 2 days and 22 hours without a post. Not Mafia has gone 79 hours and, as the saying goes,

'has been active elsewhere on the site'

.

If that really happened that may be a tell.
In that post SkyPaladin voted for Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia gave a naked vote for RedFlavour in the very next post.

VOTE: sky because i want to.

Whut?

As for the 159 VC. My intuition says, Not_Mafia and TechnicalDifficulties are both scum but not with each other.

Was the Beefster-wagon launched by TD, in 167? Sesq and RedFlavour jumped on it on the same page. Than came Iconeum. And Sky Paladin.

Beefster wagon was too fast...not scum, I think.

Hmmmm... soft-defense?

T&T's mumble case is garbage. Mumble is obvtown.

Hmmmm...

Assuming bussing is less common in multiballs and 2-people scumteams have to defend each other more than eg. 3-member teams in a singleball, this was interesting.

Oh My Gods, how many times did TD post "after" replacing out?

Beefster was vote-hopping all the time. (Although that's not an alignment tell in itself.)

Meanwhile a wagon emerged on my slot without too much reasoning. And on Not_Mafia again, as far as I can see.

H-hello!
My name is Mikan Tsumiki. I-I am the ultimate nurse!
My m-master told me to join this game because I had to be punished
Uuuuuu
I-I hate multiball

VOTE: Hawk
I-I'm sorry you're scum, please fry me on a gristle.

Eeeeeeeeew! Was that a joke?

Okay guys you got me, I can't handle the pressure anymore, I'm Ice Mafia, you can leash me if you spare my life

Wow.
I remember replacing into a Newbie where my predecessor joke-claimed scum on Day1 and had terrible posts. As town. I have the same feeling now. (Even if I'll get scumread for saying this. Should I post that "Okay guys you got me..." line too?)

I agree, anyone who claims scum is scum

Ummmmmmmmmmm...

I am Mikan Tsumiki!
I am the Ultimate Nurse!

This page is full of quality posts.

Actually I'm quite aware of that.
I'm just trolling.
Seriously trolling.
Because I'm always serious.

Okay, now I give up and jump ahead a bit.
I simply don't know what was going on here. (Yeah, I should have read everything thoroughly but it's late here.)

u-uh I'm sorry.
P-Please forgive me and make me your pet if you must!
aaaaaaaaah
VOTE: Hawk

I'm not sure whether that hammer was ballsy scum or town. Only time will tell, I suppose.

And that was not a hammer.
Which means, TD/Mikan Tsumiki is not scum? As far as I can remember, I haven't seen scum performing that fake-hammer trick before.

So, the RedFlavour wagon. GiF's vote may be okay (I haven't read everything, remember), Not_Mafia's vote naked, Sesq seemed to be willing to jump anywhere, Mikan's one empty. Beefter's one empty.

First off you're scum
Second off I've survived the first night of my presence in game one game this year and it's also my only win
Gif is scum trying to bait the doc off me to kill me
If I am dead 1) doc is a moron and 2) speedlynch gif

And he got Nightkilled, didn't he?

If doc doesn't target me they don't deserve my reads.

???
Don't tell me you're Mikan and you slipped!

Mikan is scum, GIF probable partner

Then no. Then who? Tatl?

Who else is alt?

________

Going on with Day2 tomorrow.

[Aneninen]

So, here's the end of my catchup.
Please, don't point it out that I'm vague because I know I've missed a lot of things. Point out things I should pay attention to instead.
Also, during the day I had some time to read the game on my mobile but I was only able to make notes on a piece of paper.

(1) The Day was started with two naked votes, from Not_Mafia and Iconeum. Can you explain those?

(2) Scitter has too many scumreads and too few townreads. (Which one was it? 458? Or also another one?) I can see a paranoid town moveset here. Especially considering it's a multiball.

(3) SkyPaladin must be town. (Example post is 468.) There

are

read progressions, explanations and they look genuine.

(4) GuyInFreezer, why did you say in 470 that you had been inactive? I don't think it was (and is) true.

(5) Beefster's jump on GIF in the next post was terrible.

(6) (I can't find the post I'm answering this to) Pushing a mislynch is not alignemnt indicative in itself. A town could do that because of misreading someone and a scum could do that intentionally. In a multiball, even scum are scumhunting, so it's also possible that a scum is misreading a townie and getting surprised by the flip. Beefster used the same reasoning for conf-biasing. (Reference needed! I only wrote this without anything else on the paper. It may have been against GIF.)

(7) I don't get the whole Skitter-wagon at all.

(8) Springlullaby's 567 was flat-out terrible. Not liking the Mikan-votes? Whut? There was enough reasoning there which shows that he

had actually read

the game. Or is he scum with Beefster, according to

"The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling"

? Point (B) there is speculative. I don't get (C) at all. The vote is bad, too, he was just throwing it to someone who appeared and appears to be an easy lynch. But about Sesq I'll talk later.
Something else here. He's had three posts so far and I guess he's trying to stay under the radar. Even I have tried harder and I replaced in later than he did!

(9) Back to this, GIF. 571.

"1. Sky_Paladin is not a Red Mafia (Assuming that needle = red and KGB = blue)"

Where did it come from? As for your 578, why are you scumreading SkyPaladin and why do you think he's

blue

scum with Mikan? Why can't they be

red

scum? Why is it important which team a scum belongs to if we manage to lynch

scum

? There hasn't been a scum-flip yet!!!

And now, the recents:

(10) Wait, that's strange. I asked three questions.
The first one was:

"Was Not Mafia an RVS wagon?"

Skitter answered in 583:

"irc, yes. At least, I don't think that any reason was given for it beyond lol!NM.

Iconeum answered in 593:

"Started in RVS, continued for various reasons because of playstyle I suppose"

Even I have found that "various reasons"! So, it's clear that it was NOT an RVS-wagon.

(11) SkyPaladin, 589.

"At the moment I have him as town because of his early response this phase to the RF flip being a vote on Beefster being affirmative rather than reactive action."

Do you mean his early-Day2 vote or something else? Is there any other reason why you townread Not_Mafia?

Readlist comes next.

[Aneninen]

Not_Mafia

– As I said, in the past he didn't have jokes like the "scumclaim" here. There were other disturbing bits, too, like his Day2 starter vote. In fact I didn't like his 570 either. I mean, what if he tried to get a joke out of me so that he could launch a wagon on a player who had been wagoned earlier (and without letting me catch up)? Because my memories about him might be wrong as well, he's

lean scum

now.

Sky_Paladin

– Altough I haven't read all his long posts thorougly, the ones I've checked look town with genuine effort.

Probably town

.

Beefster

– There have been plenty of scummy things, see my earlier posts.

Probably scum

.

Sesq

– Plenty of WTF posts. The latest one (586) tells everything. I don't get the part which was about me. He didn't remember his own vote. Aaaand the cherry on the pie is the readlist which is one of the worst ever seen.
STILL, I strongly think he's

probably town

. Not because of his posts are good. They aren't. I think he's a lynchbait where both scumteams could jump on without getting FoS-ed. Also, behind those posts I can't see a scum agenda. They're simply pointless.

Mikan Tsumiki

– I really appreciate your role-playing! And I have an idea which will give you a delightful excitement. We could make you wear a kind of french-maid uniform and tie you to a wheel. Then we'll spin you and start throwing mud at you. Like it? Aaaaaah, isn't it? But wait, I must tell you something else! This is a kind of scum test. Shut your eyes and ask for more, more, more! And in the end we'll check you. If your clothes are still clean, you're town. However, if you've got dirty, you're scum.
BUUUUUUUUUT, my problem is that you're Alisae! I haven't had a game with you yet but I know that you're one of the mods of the Team Mafia. Which means, you're a pretty experienced player! So, you MUST know that all the roleplaying you're doing is making your posts un-readable! Also, your predecessor looked scummy, as far as I can remember. The only caveat I found for my read was that fake-hammer (explained earlier). Put everything together:

Lean scum

.

Iconeum

– This may be biased by his latest, because you had been "under the radar" while I'd been reading the chat. But your answer for my questions were very town. Everything together:

Lean town

.

Skitter

– As I said, I don't understand the scumreads on him. What have I missed? The only thing I found were his answers for my questions. Those prevent me hard-townreading him.

Lean town

.

GuyInFreezer

– Reflecting to your recent post the most important thing which disturbed me has been cleared. Otherwise, I found nothing particularly scummy but I wouldn't say that my read is firm.

Lean town

.

Springlullaby

– I seriously disliked the only contentful post he's made. And I found his predecessor scummy too. Remember eg. that Beefster–Mumble interaction I pointed out in my 581? (Yes, I can tinfoil too, I know, but) he must be scum with either Beefster or Mikan.

Porbably scum

.

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Beefster

Springlullaby would be a better idea but I don't know whether we'd have time for that.

[Aneninen]

I've just got home.
What are you talking about, Seth?

[Aneninen]

I've checked your ISO. Before your latest you mentioned me only once. Here:

"oh my god ane make a FUCKING point JESUS"

. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but I don't get it.

[Aneninen]

I read Beefster as townish, and the speed of his wagon today doesn't change my mind about that.

Can you explain the correlation between a read of yours an the speed of a wagon on the same player?

GIF why are you voting mikan?

As far as I can remember he usually posts his reasons for his votes...

I kinda want to unvote sesq just because it's easier to read. *sigh*

Pigeon poop.
Why didn't you simply unvote him then?

Mikan is a town read for me, on account of Technical Difficulties post D1.

Whut?
Explain this!
Wait, I found it.
Why was 225 so town from him?
What did that image have to do with your read on that slot?