Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

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hi

skitter is right about everything

except this

VOTE: titi and tael

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If I'm coming across as too LAMIST compared to my usual play, that's because I'm approaching this game differently than others due to multiball.
My prototype for how we played this game is how Titus wanted to approach the Radiant Moonlight Fire&Ice and I'm trying to enact her vision of correct multiball play.
If you have some other reason to scumread us I would appreciate if you'd explain it.

not really aside from feeling

which is totally legitimate yes i am aware

in reality, i don't know what to think or believe right now, so i have to park my vote somewhere, yu're it

sorry

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you're taking my posts too seriously on multiple levels

it's just kind of embarrassing really

it's a shrugging sorry and the things i actually said confirm my vote was not serious

clarification of previous post

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what is "igmeou" fror the life of me

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really frightened, thanks

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cannot defend if there is no attack

buzzwords are not an essential mafia strategy, you know

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and yes, i CAN defend, if i want, and i'm going to:

"how is that necessarily scum behavior"

argument dismantled

i was debating if i should because setting a precedent where things like this are given attention is not really the best thing necessarily? i'm kind of mixed, i guess. sick of the status quo of discourse.

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meta as in what the things mean and how to townread = yes

meta is in individuals' = also yes but try to ignore it

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@skitter 127 point b does not conflict, someone can come in being a tryhard and you can also agree with them

you've never had any scum agree with you on something and had it feel a bit weird?

also not a fan of this trend of people scumreading for explaining a thing then voting another thing. something is off.

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not weird at all

directed at entire game, clarify:

dont like how people are being scumread for reasoning abt one read and voting another

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@ 137

a) its not really rvs
b) literally what the fuck are you talking about i didnt say anything was random, i wasnt shifting blame, what are you getting at

VOTE: sky because i want to.

i don't have a read? i just want to vote you for this. ok? ok. cool.

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a) its not really rvs
b) literally what the fuck are you talking about i didnt say anything was random, i wasnt shifting blame, what are you getting at

You're 99 and 102 where you apologise to Tatl and Tael for your RVS strikes me as scummy, that's what I'm getting at.

again you are taking it too seriously

it's a tounge-in-cheek apology, sorry because i don't really think you're scum, i just can't find antyhing better

i am literally the best at mafia do not question my strategic mindsight

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**not you specifically, but just someone in general

s'frustratin really

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151

because holy shit my point was that multiple people are doing it why are you trying to redirect me to this man

can you guys please read my posts before you respond to them?

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so SICK of all this he said she said SHIT that is comprising this games CONTENT right now

theres no clashes, theres no anything going on

ITS PURE PAIN

I AM IN PURE PAAAAAIIIN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


i think i know why

VOTE: tatl tael

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solid wagon

VOTE: beefster

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oi i be up near top mate whats up with that mate

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if anyone read my posts my motivations would be clear:

i was unsatisfied with the game state, willing to vote almost anyone, but didnt have any strong scumreads - waiting for a purpose.

then comes along a beef read that makes sense. i vote it

his defense is unconvincing

nobody on the wagon really pings me yet

but i still think sky is scum

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reading this game is as horrible as reading my own death sentence its horrible its horrible make it end

i dont know what to believe

somebody HELP HELP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i would deliver """content""" but its all just these minimal proses about these same players i can never tell apart

dont really even have a heart for this shit right now

flying down into the pit of my own despair

someone any someone ANYWHERE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: hawk

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https://vocaroo.com/i/s1mNdvCfsODk

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shit, don't know if that be allowed

fuuuck.

here's the vague transcript:


Not_mafia is not_mafia

he seems unconcerned with game state, doing his own thing, pleasuring himself

Not_Mafia is Not_ playing Mafia

and i think that's something i can respect, although i can see how it's not very helpful. mafia is just a game, just a game, right? yes?

Not_mafia is not mafia.



Sky_Paladin is someone, their posts of a certain type, this someone is a cloudposter. cloudposter is a new word, it's a type of posting that takes random fragments of greater, more elaborate posts, and picks on them, inquires. nothing wrong with inquiry, but there is something wrong when the posts fail to see the bigger picture. it's a bit dishonest, even if just by exclusion. it could be worse. it lacks context. i want to go away. sky_paladin is not mafia.

it could be better. beefster. he's town. you can clearly deliniate where his thoughts are with his posts, any holes poked have been thoroughly explained. there's a great amount of focus. town. unambiguously. beefster is not mafia.

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reading this game is as horrible as reading my own death sentence its horrible its horrible make it end

i dont know what to believe

somebody HELP HELP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i would deliver """content""" but its all just these minimal proses about these same players i can never tell apart

dont really even have a heart for this shit right now

flying down into the pit of my own despair

someone any someone ANYWHERE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: hawk

Same TBH

shit, don't know if that be allowed

fuuuck.

here's the vague transcript:


Not_mafia is not_mafia

he seems unconcerned with game state, doing his own thing, pleasuring himself

Not_Mafia is Not_ playing Mafia

and i think that's something i can respect, although i can see how it's not very helpful. mafia is just a game, just a game, right? yes?

Not_mafia is not mafia.



Sky_Paladin is someone, their posts of a certain type, this someone is a cloudposter. cloudposter is a new word, it's a type of posting that takes random fragments of greater, more elaborate posts, and picks on them, inquires. nothing wrong with inquiry, but there is something wrong when the posts fail to see the bigger picture. it's a bit dishonest, even if just by exclusion. it could be worse. it lacks context. i want to go away. sky_paladin is not mafia.

it could be better. beefster. he's town. you can clearly deliniate where his thoughts are with his posts, any holes poked have been thoroughly explained. there's a great amount of focus. town. unambiguously. beefster is not mafia.

How did you conclude that not_mafia and sky is not mafia?
You said what they do but not why those things make them townie

regarding nm i think my case is clear: he's just a jestering lad and i dont see how he's scummy in any way

with regard to sky, i was largely critiquing his posts and not his scumminess. the point of being like "ITS SO BAD btw town" is to show that i dont think his play is actually scummy at all.

@ gif that acts as if scum wont kill scum. they probably will, chances are in their favor. it's bad, not that bad.

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Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

also please calm down this is game, it will be better for your case

here's my vote

VOTE: hawk

l-1

i am ready... for action

reads:

hawk: until today, i did not think him to be scum, it seemed like everyone was on him without explaining why but thats because of fucking cloudposting

thanks GiF. you are great

now i think he's scum for reasons previously ascribed. way too mad. not very productive, misleads. etc.

Mikan Tsukimi: stop. Stop.

Kop: lurky man, scummy man? maybe

THATS THREE i can go back to playing bonks adventure

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Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

also please calm down this is game, it will be better for your case

here's my vote

VOTE: hawk

l-1

i am ready... for action

reads:

hawk: until today, i did not think him to be scum, it seemed like everyone was on him without explaining why but thats because of fucking cloudposting

thanks GiF. you are great

now i think he's scum for reasons previously ascribed. way too mad. not very productive, misleads. etc.

Mikan Tsukimi: stop. Stop.

Kop: lurky man, scummy man? maybe

THATS THREE i can go back to playing bonks adventure

Sesq was already voting me so that's l-2 not l-1. States that she wasn't thinking I was actually scum until today yet was like the 3rd on my wagon... Like I said before never makes any sense but I've mislynched this before so I don't think faulty logic is AI for Sesq from what I've played with before.

Also I'm a lot calmer and in a better mindset today. Sorry to anyone who took any offense to my anger yesterday.

i really don't remember voting you, but if I did it was out of desperation to park my vote somewhere. Now, I actually think you are scum

also: posts 345-347 are the funniest thing in mafia

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Okay

VOTE: mikan

let's consolidate here.

annoying and non-contributive. let's pile em up boys

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suspicious is a buzzword but i understand

why would you type like that if you weren't trying to obfuscate?

it's for the memes. it's the memes. she's a meme player. pass.

VOTE: rf

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BBBBUT WAIT

when i said "but I understand" in #384, i meant i understood where rf was coming from, because there is a legitimate case to be made. Also, he looks like scum I guess. more than anyone else.

anything and everything deserves total clarification

thoughts on the lynch: he's probably town. at least it gives us something to talk about

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Gif, while we're in twilight, thoughts on Kop?

As an aside I have been too busy to really focus on this game; I'm probably going to drop out if I can't commit properly by the next phase.

I think this is a pretty weird post. Like you pop in during twilight to ask GIF about Kop (ie as opposed to talking about something topical like Red wagon or the rc/mikan/gif thing).

Like why is this directed at GIF in particular? Why were you specifically asking about Kop at that juncture?

also "next phase" instead of "next day" is an interesting word choice

also later calls this day "phase"

make what you will

he's town

Other thoughts:
I enjoy Mikan's entrance to the game, it's fairly active and her opinion is clear. It's miles-away more towny than TD IMO. My only concern is that she was part of the back and forth with Tatl and Tael that resulted in them putting doc in every post which proooooobably gave away that they were the doc. I'm town-sorting this slot for now.

Actually that's the whole player base so I'll just do a full reads list.

Town
GiF - for towning it up late day 1 even if it was for a mislynch
Mikan - as above

To Sort
Hawk/Skitter

Scum
Icon/Beefster

Some of Icon's posts that ping me -

152 - posts complaining about hydra's. Contrast with my own post 137 -
"if you're playing a hydra I expect you to bring the best and worst of both players, and you don't get to blame your other head for not being town enough."
With
"Make up your mind, and then say what you want. It doesn't help town to hear 2 colliding opinions coming from 1 slot."

Bolded for emphasis. This doesn't seem like a towny-thing to say. Two different opinions is exactly what I'd expect - and hope for - from a hydra. The more unique thoughts out there, the better off town is.

179 is a bit weird. Icon has gone a good chunk of the game at this point asking for a lynch on NM solely because NM claimed scum (...which is fair) and earlier criticises Kop for not voting NM (158), and made it clear in 155 that their vote on NM was

I'm voting him because he claimed mafia, and has made no attempt at, well, anything.

This post asking for Beefster to explain their vote on Not Mafia therefore surprised me, because Icon is aware that by that point the only real reasons to vote NM were because of inactivity and claiming scum. What else could Beefster add? It seemed opportunistic. Icon later switches to Beefster which I concede does look natural.

Later when the game is stalled, Icon questions Tatl and Tael for their NM vote 242. They also poke Skitter for the same thing a little later.

Late day 1 Icon posts some thoughts on Hawk/Beefster, and finally settles on Beefster. This looks natural and I wouldn't call it except...it's multiball, and scum can legitimately scum-hunt the other team.

@Icon

I guess I'm questioning your progression of reads here, Icon. It looks like you wanted NM dead and then once you switched away, anybody else voting for NM got your question mark, and you didn't really mention them late day 1.

What is your current opinion on Hawk/NM?

hydras are not necessarily good for town, "more opinions" is kind of hard when most hydras are so fucking bad at distinguishing eachother, and most people are so fucking bad at distinguishing them, it looks like a contracted fuckpile of uncertainty. scum can use this for subversion and trickery

bad point

the rest of your case is just shitty buzzwords

i am aware i'm focusing a whole lot on you for some reason. i don't know why. just how it is

beefster is also in the category of "town but useless besides the vote"

undying admiration for gif. best player thus far

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its seriously as if beef has not thought for a damn second before fabricating any aspect of this "case". its embarassing

not scummy. just bad

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Oh also

You were, rather confidently, pressuring my vote one way or the other. I was put off by it at the time even though I sort of kinda saw scum in RF (at first). You primed my thought processes for a scum read.

You call it pressuring.
I call it convincing.

Terminology. Lawyering. Technicalities.

"calling things out but not actually explaining why they are bad" meme.

it is important because it makes your case potentially look worse than it is

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stop wasting your time trying to crossexamine gif

literally nothing to be gained

honest as an eagle

VOTE: mikan

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Uhm. No. I'm trying to point out that GIF is doing those things: dismissing my case for terminology and technicalities rather than actually refuting my points. I find that suspicious.

I'm super suspicious of your defending him. Please, tear apart the flaws in my case piece by piece so that I know it's my ideas that are bad.

Why is it that you admire GIF?

I suspect a Sesq/GIF scumteam.

i already did but i'm reiterating my frustration

i like gif because their post style is cool and effective

>YOU MUST BE SCUMTEAM

lol

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Sky_Paladin is someone, their posts of a certain type, this someone is a cloudposter.

Sure, that's true. 90% of the time I can only play by reading at work, and then I get home and reply to the things that stood out to me that were interesting to me. I personally prefer this style over people who quote somebody else's entire post and then add their own one-liner at the end ^_~

Responding to 492

Turns out there's only one thing I want to focus on.

the rest of your case is just shitty buzzwords

I'm interested in why you chose to jump in on this post specifically to shit on it. Icon is a big boy/girl and can (and has) respond themselves.

I accept your opinion on hydra's is divergent from mine, but then you dismissed the rest because 'buzzwords' and said that I'm useless except for my vote.

I was also asking Icon to explain his position on NM and his voting/pursuit of other votes on NM. Do you think this is not interesting? Why?

if i see another ^_~ im gonna nightkill you

to be clear i didnt consider the question to be a part of the read, if thats on the table

as for the question, i don't know? good on you for trying to gather information? ???

another thing in your post i didnt need to comment on

on another note: the skitter wagon is shit. stop

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oh my god ane make a FUCKING point JESUS

i dont remember where my vote was UNVOTE:

beef seems appetizing but i do want to hold back

his vote on me is stupid but that's obvious

readlist?

town: gif, sky, skitter
null: nm, beef, ane, ico, springlullaby
scum: non

i need to eat

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at icenonum - yesterday i was too shitty with voting (and today) and i want to change that

there could be other scum out there in the woods

at ane - my issue was you had long wallposts without making a solid point and i've railed against that extensively in the past... if you read my posts youd be aware

also your entire read is "YOU ARE BAD!!!!BUT I WONT EXPLAIN WHY IM JUST GOING TO THROW SHADE!!!!! "

also seconding springlullaby's call to cut the quote wars bullshit

yes
YES

ane is annoying me so much i think im going to night kill them (and no other type of killing, i harbor no hatred or ill will)

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oh yeah

VOTE: beefster

haha - some habits never change.

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don't worry, all will be clear soon

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at ane: it was before you were in the game, it was a criticism of that posting style and not you in particular. if you read my posts you would... etc, etc.

also sorry for my harsher tone

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hahahahaha...

haaaahahahaha

HAAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

god i feel great right now

i'm up for mikan wagon because again, what else is there? VOTE: mikan

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hahahhahaahaha i love this game ahahahahaha

1 fire, 2 ice, 4 town

hahahaha HAHAHAHAHAHA

actually no.

VOTE: springlullaby

this slot is scum and i'll tell you why soon

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dont worry i have reasons that i will clearly deliniate

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he is not lurking

he came in at the end of the day and was plenty enough active

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not yet

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springlullaby is ice and tried to frame me

i said i was going to nightkill ane and he's been pushing me before and after on the basis of it

hasn't done anything except call me and some others scum

VOTE: springlullaby if i didnt already

would really like if you guys piled up here too

will admit the gambit fell apart more for me the more i thought about it but he's still scummy as hell

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fair but "scum flailing" is the exact mafia equivalent of "you're just salty bro" and there is no way to unsee it, therefore it's always funny

you being an old player makes sense because older players tend to read based off draconian shit that does not matter

i have a history of being weird and really unplaceable

the best scum read ever done on me was when i was town, which was interesting

for clarity's sake, it wasnt a gambit until after i made the ane nk joke. i realized it could be. got excited at the aspect of doing something kind of useful and got carried away

also i already made a reads list, if i didn't i'm not doing it again

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as for mikan wagon, i dont' care i dont care i dont care i dont caare town

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yeah, gif has been feeling kind of shifty in reflection

i was trying to build i case but i fell asleep and woke up at a transit center twenty miles from my house so i decided it wasn't a good idea

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thanks alisae, i needed that. i've been a lazy player (and also shitting on wallposts all day)

between spring and gif i'm unsure

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i fuckin love alisae posting, for one, i want it to continue

not so convinced ice should be our wagon for today

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replacing out