Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Hawk]

VOTE: Sesq

Lots of familar faces. Should be fun .

[Hawk]

VOTE: techinic

50% mathdino seems like a scum excuse

This feels like reaching. VOTE: RedFlavor.

Beef if your vote was "not really" serious why did you take the time to give a reasoning for your RVS vote?

I don't understand the self conscious thing? are we not supposed to acknowledge we are in multiball. Both Hydras opened this way so if it's an accurate multiball Scumtell or something then I doubt that's a pair.

Iconeum are you serious about your NM vote and reasoning??

[Hawk]

VOTE: techinic

50% mathdino seems like a scum excuse

This feels like reaching. VOTE: RedFlavor.

This feels like reaching. VOTE: Hawk.

How is that reaching?? RedFlavor voted saying that Mathdino saying 50% is a scum excuse. But I don't see how math commenting that he wants the Hydra to be 50% him and 50% impede as scummy? Like why would you make the slot 100% one head of a hydra if that was the case just play your main. Is that a meta read on half a head of a hydra?? I've played one game with Dino and in that game he was terribly productive as town. I would like Tael said rather he not he a backseat in that hydra but if he's got team mafia and it's a pain to long into the Hydra I don't see that statement as AI.

Reds lurk scummy but opportunistic as well.

Iconeum I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not here.

[Hawk]

Ooooh

So I get where Skitters coming from. The early cases being weak (fence sitty, policy, ect. ect.) I think is fine as it's early. Though I can definitely see how you would see them as contrived. I still don't know how I feel about the Hydra comments being AI... Is this the first game for that Hydra?? Math made it sound like it was a new hydra.

I'm still cautious of Red here.

Sky doesn't GiF voting first then NM following up onto me make GiF look better if Red was scumleaning NM? I don't follow the logic of Red moving his vote then and even mentioning it's to move off of NM. how would Reds vote have put NM to l-1?? NM had to my count 3 votes on them with Red being 4... it takes 7 to lynch? I was so confused by this statement.

[Hawk]

hi

skitter is right about everything

except this

VOTE: titi and tael

This is a Wifom pop-in if I've ever seen one....

Sesq why are you voting T&T??

Also

Mod: I'm VLA till Monday taking a weekend with the family so won't be able to check in much

[Hawk]

Hey I'm back, I'll catchup what I missed and try and make a post later today.

[Hawk]

I'm not quite sure why, but I was sheeping Tatl and Tael for a while... Upon closer inspection, they look scummier than they did initially.

I'm not sure what to think about Sesq
I was wrong about TD and heavily misread - They're probably town.
Tatl and Tael seem quite self-conscious. It's a hard slot to read, but I'm going to lean scum on them. Tael's opening post that was theory-heavy looks somewhat suspicious and that hydra slip looks like it may have been deliberate attempt to look like careless town. Same could be said about head contradiction.
RedFlavor and Hawk both look reaching in their logic. I suspect they're both scum, possibly even a scumteam. But it's hard to say anything for sure.
Not_Mafia seems passive/lurky, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention.

VOTE: Hawk

Does not
me and hawk were reaching so we can be scumteam
sound reaching?

VOTE: beefster

So I haven't finished my catchup because the last thing I see after reading is that Beefster has decided that me and RedFlavours "reachy comments" make us both scummy and possibly a pair.

Uhhh Beef where's the logic in me voting Redflavor in a multiball if we are scum partners?? Distancing? I mean I can see that I guess. But imo I don't come into a day distancing when I play scum.

Impedes case on Beefster is pretty good but I'm still very wary of both Hydra slots. People keep talking about being selfconcious and their intros.

I don't see the "tryhard" angle on Kop from TD and I dont get why they might be pushing it that way. Kops always fairly Lurky and in multiball it's going to be even more scummy looking so choosing to say his posts were "tryhard" is an odd choice.

TnT idk felt fency?? kinda not really I'm not sure what pinged me I'll go back again and try and articulate it better but something about what they've been saying feels very off to me.

Asside from that I have a few people I don't think are pairs so that'll help later as we sort it down the line but for now I still like my Redflavor vote. Since his OMGUS vote on Beefster makes me wary. Tho these two are most likely never paired.

Beef why me and not RedFlavor if both out "reachy" comments made us scummy?

[Hawk]

Beefster wagon was too fast...not scum, I think.

@Tael

: You didn't really care about your question to me, did you?

Resistance to wagons will be low in multiball. I'm not sure the speed is super indicative of scum but I see the argument.

Mumble gun to your head lynch a player on Beefsters wagon who do you lynch? Why? Make sure to explain if their position or jump onto the wagon is apart of your reasoning otherwise I'll consider that those things have no bearing on your answer.

Before anyone asks, I'm asking Mumble because I dont have anything down for them and this post pinged me when I saw it just now.

Anyone who feels the same as Mumble can elaborate who they think is scum on Beefsters wagon.

If he's town there's a 33% mafia to town ratio meaning at least one of the 5 there now is probably mafia. Correct?

[Hawk]

Sesq doesnt ping you?? That's interesting...

I agree Red Flavour looks bad.

I'm not sure how AI Ico is for reading NMs claim and responding in the manner he did.

What do you think of TDs initial push on Beef? You ignore it entirely which is fine for nor pair two people like that but if you think Beef is town shouldn't you be more scrutinous of people's reasoning?

Couldn't Beef still be scum?? I find your quickness to voice you don't think Beef is scum because of speed of wagon but not finding qualms with the one who had no reasoning and not posing any major resistance to the arguments of TD and Sky in your response odd...

I think I might be okay with this too.

VOTE: Mumble

Basically I feel like mumble just said.

TD started the wagon he's not scum.
Red and Ico were the scummiest jump ins so one in here.
Sky had reasoning that I agree with.
Sesq didn't give any real reasoning but I wont explain why I think that's not scum.

[Hawk]

@GIF: Please explain exactly why you backed off Hawk. Do a towncase if you have to.

I'll answer if your replacement asks the same question.

What if I ask you?

[Hawk]

Fine I didn't want to know anyway.

[Hawk]

I'm ignoring TDs readlist. Because of the replace out. It won't help read the slot until it flips so I'm going to have to reevaluate after that happens if I'm still alive... not that I was very certain of the slot before anyway.

It bothers me more that they unvoted, asked for a replace out, and are now voting...

[Hawk]

Is that a policy lynch T and T??

VOTE: Not Mafia I'm not opposed since it seems like everyone has voiced at least a bit of concern with him living too long.

[Hawk]

Yes let's PL with two scumsided nightkills

I feel like this is fairly towny.

As to why I am advocating PL on not mafia it seems like it's better to get that out of the way early especially if are 2 NKs rather than wait till later in the game to sort him.

I don't see anyone posing better alternatives really.

Beefster I'm not sold on. I tried to push on mumble (I'll admit it wasn't the most solid case.) And redflavor is still scummy imo.

Sky hasn't been playing his usual town game (Not that I'm entirely sure what that looks like I've only played one game with him. We were masons.)

TDs replacement has said nothing since replacing in.

There's just not a lot of activity going on in this game.

[Hawk]

Let me just show you the math

13 players: 9:2:2

D1 mislynch + two town kills = 6:2:2
D2 mislynch + two town kills = 3:2:2

If the luck is not in our favor we can get rekt in 2 mislynches
2. mislynches.

Do you know what this mean?

Also yes that is worst case scenario. Who says the Policy Lynch hits town?? Are you that convinced lynching NM flips green? That's some scum partner talk there.

It's not optimal but everyonen is seemingly divided which is odd because the two scumteams should be hunting too..

Who would you lynch if not NM? RedFlavor? I can concede that a PL is worse than lynching someone I feel is scummy. My bad.

VOTE: RedFlavour

[Hawk]

Are you that convinced lynching NM flips green?

This amount of conviction is how I won my first towngame on this site!

Was it multiball? Correlation does not equal causation. Sure playing the #'s a PL is as good as a 4/12 from every town perspective. However in this game and most others a d1 lynch is as good as random especially in a open setup.

I'll concede that I would rather see Red or Mumble lynched as my gut and intuition on comments they've made have said to me that they're more likely to flip scum than a policy lynch.

[Hawk]

Skitter what about my play was scummy?? GiF confidentially stated that we shouldn't PL and gave a double mislynch as his reasoning. It's not shade, it's just pointing out Gifs logic should be that NM is a mislynch which not even scum would know.

Why is TD slot scum still?? Don't bring up anything about the hydra or Maths play versus dinos play cause that isn't talking about the "slot" -_-;;

Pedit: yes town is more likely to be killed than scum that's a fucking fact but nothing fucking d1 is fucking concrete and you saying a Policy Lynch is so much worse than some other lynch is just fucking stupid. Its a 1 in 3 chance we lynch scum today. Logic and reasoning should make it higher if we scum hunt but half the player list is inactive and lurking so unless you're seeing someone who's obvscum you're preferred lynch is no better than a policy lynch on NM.

A policy lynch on a player who probably won't get NK'd is a good lynch. He looks scummy hasn't done anything productive for the game and waiting to see if he fucking perks up is asking to shoot yourself in the foot later in lylo or mylo when you have to choose between NM and someone else.

[Hawk]

Skitter what about my play was scummy?? GiF confidentially stated that we shouldn't PL and gave a double mislynch as his reasoning. It's not shade, it's just pointing out Gifs logic would be that NM is a mislynch which not even scum would know.

Why is TD slot scum still?? Don't bring up anything about the hydra or town!Maths play versus scum!maths play cause that isn't talking about the "slot" -_-;;

Pedit: yes town is more likely to be killed than scum that's a fucking fact but nothing fucking d1 is fucking concrete and you saying a Policy Lynch is so much worse than some other lynch is just fucking stupid. Its a 1 in 3 chance we lynch scum today. Logic and reasoning should make it higher if we scum hunt but half the player list is inactive and lurking so unless you're seeing someone who's obvscum you're preferred lynch is no better than a policy lynch on NM.

A policy lynch on a player who probably won't get NK'd is a good lynch. He looks scummy hasn't done anything productive for the game and waiting to see if he fucking perks up is asking to shoot yourself in the foot later in lylo or mylo when you have to choose between NM and someone else.

Ewop. Sorry I'm getting annoyed and typing fast.

[Hawk]

Actually I confidentally stated that NM is town.

How the fuck do you know that??

[Hawk]

I'm just that confident.
And you know it's really my confidence because this is a multiball.

No I don't. You could be gambiting as partners. Or if you are scum gambling he's not 2 in 11 that you know could be town which are pretty good odds. It being multiball doesn't change the fact that confidentially saying someone is town isn't logical.

[Hawk]

You're trying to lynch town and I'm trying to lynch scum so who's more productive now

I want to lynch Redflavor, Mumble and or you. So you're saying those 3 are in your townbloc?

[Hawk]

I'm just that confident.
And you know it's really my confidence because this is a multiball.

No I don't. You could be gambiting as partners. Or if you are scum gambling he's not 2 in 11 that you know could be town which are pretty good odds. It being multiball doesn't change the fact that confidentially saying someone is town isn't logical.

omg lynch this pls

What about my logic is flawed explain NM?? I don't believe any of those things but it doesn't mean they're not possibilities. His logic is flawed. Town can use bad logic. Stop being terrible if you're town and step up.

[Hawk]

Because I didn't think it was alignment indicative. I'm not meaning to sound like I'm attacking him? I'm just paranoid I guess... I agree that we can probably do better than a policy lynch with 5 days left. I disagree with his logic that NM is town and that we shouldn't policy lynch him because of that "fact"/"confidence" he's spouting.

[Hawk]

Also it regarding the slot I was basically asking why you think the slot is scummy independent of TD since well you said the slot is still scum...

[Hawk]

H-hello!
My name is Mikan Tsumiki. I-I am the ultimate nurse!
My m-master told me to join this game because I had to be punished
Uuuuuu
I-I hate multiball

VOTE: Hawk
I-I'm sorry you're scum, please fry me on a gristle.

Reasoning??

The entire lot of you lurkers sure do like to just throw votes out there and not post a single god damn reason for them. Skitter is literally the only one whos listing why they think I'm scum and not just playing like shit.

NM drops in every now and then to throw a one liner and not get prodded.

Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

Beefster and skitter have been have engaging with me

And now I'm being voted solely off *I'm sorry you're scum??*

VOTE: Mikan Get the fuck outta here.

[Hawk]

H-hello!
My name is Mikan Tsumiki. I-I am the ultimate nurse!
My m-master told me to join this game because I had to be punished
Uuuuuu
I-I hate multiball

VOTE: Hawk
I-I'm sorry you're scum, please fry me on a gristle.

Reasoning??

The entire lot of you lurkers sure do like to just throw votes out there and not post a single god damn reason for them. Skitter is literally the only one whos listing why they think I'm scum and not just playing like shit.

NM drops in every now and then to throw a one liner and not get prodded.

Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

Beefster and skitter have been have engaging with me

And now I'm being voted solely off *I'm sorry you're scum??*

VOTE: Mikan Get the fuck outta here.

Could this be it?

The famed "caught for the wrong reason?"

Hawk's posts just bleed scum, he's one of those people who just can't fake a towny persona believably

Okay guys you got me, I can't handle the pressure anymore, I'm Ice Mafia, you can leash me if you spare my life

[Hawk]

H-hello!
My name is Mikan Tsumiki. I-I am the ultimate nurse!
My m-master told me to join this game because I had to be punished
Uuuuuu
I-I hate multiball

VOTE: Hawk
I-I'm sorry you're scum, please fry me on a gristle.

Reasoning??

The entire lot of you lurkers sure do like to just throw votes out there and not post a single god damn reason for them. Skitter is literally the only one whos listing why they think I'm scum and not just playing like shit.

NM drops in every now and then to throw a one liner and not get prodded.

Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

Beefster and skitter have been have engaging with me

And now I'm being voted solely off *I'm sorry you're scum??*

VOTE: Mikan Get the fuck outta here.

OMGUS?

I'm afraid deflecting and calling attentions to other viable wagons does not count as a legitimate defense. Try again, scum.

-_-;; You're not serious are you. This is a misrep and if you guys would take a damn minute and look at the game you would see that I haven't done half the things people are accusing me of doing.

[Hawk]

Thank you for your confession.

VOTE: Hawk

YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED IT'S THE QUOTE NM POSTED WORD FOR WORD EADLIER THAT EVERYONE IGNORED AND DECIDED WAS NAI!!

Always serious remember to announce L-1

pedit:... maybe I'm just to strung up. Guys please forgive me if I'm coming off as an insane o right now.

[Hawk]

Also Claim VT since I'm L-1

Pedit: wtf is this character even??

[Hawk]

I agree, anyone who claims scum is scum

.... i... I know this has to be joking... you claimed scum...

pedit: okay I'm getting off I'm not in the right mindset for this trolling...

[Hawk]

Sesq makes no fucking sense ever but I have mislynched her more times than I can count so it's nothing that isn't par for the course.

also please calm down this is game, it will be better for your case

here's my vote

VOTE: hawk

l-1

i am ready... for action

reads:

hawk: until today, i did not think him to be scum, it seemed like everyone was on him without explaining why but thats because of fucking cloudposting

thanks GiF. you are great

now i think he's scum for reasons previously ascribed. way too mad. not very productive, misleads. etc.

Mikan Tsukimi: stop. Stop.

Kop: lurky man, scummy man? maybe

THATS THREE i can go back to playing bonks adventure

Sesq was already voting me so that's l-2 not l-1. States that she wasn't thinking I was actually scum until today yet was like the 3rd on my wagon... Like I said before never makes any sense but I've mislynched this before so I don't think faulty logic is AI for Sesq from what I've played with before.

Also I'm a lot calmer and in a better mindset today. Sorry to anyone who took any offense to my anger yesterday.

[Hawk]

I dont think GiF is scum, but I don't agree with the townread on NM. I don't see what NMs play so far as towny but asside from being kinda Lurky I don't have a reason to push on that front.

I'm going over some ISO and will have some more cases soon.

[Hawk]

I'm not sure whether that hammer was ballsy scum or town. Only time will tell, I suppose.

They were both already on my wagon... please pay attention -_-;;

[Hawk]

I voted NM because it seemed like progress on mumble and RedFlavor wasn't going anywhere... No one seemed to agree with the thought Mumbles sudden defense of Beefster was odd. And Redflavor was meeting some kind of invisible resistance. he never hit l-1 to push a claim.

Also if my reasons seem shallow or arbitrary it's because I really don't have a strong sense of scum this game. Mikan could be scum but I didn't think TDs stuff was alignment indicative. I do think that if I'm incorrect about that the case looks a lot better because I basically had that slot as null not as town or as scum so if I'm wrong it's a scumlean.

Mikans recent play hasn't inspired a townlean but it's not super scummy. The scummiest thing I feel was the vote on me felt oppurtunistic but she's also following the last read list of her predecessor so... idk...

[Hawk]

VOTE: RF

[Hawk]

That was 5 votes btw so L-2

[Hawk]

Ack sorry I forgot about this game. Just received the day start email. I'll post more later tonight or tomorrow. Doing family stuff this weekend.

[Hawk]

@mod Replace me. I'm not finding time to play mafia lately and I don't want to be a burden to the other players.

Sorry guys it was good playing with y'all while I could.