Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Iconeum]

Okay guys you got me, I can't handle the pressure anymore, I'm Ice Mafia, you can leash me if you spare my life

VOTE: Not Mafia

Out your scumpartner so we can leash the both of you. Also, your name suggests otherwise and I don't like liars.
I guarantee cookies for complying.

[Iconeum]

Okay guys you got me, I can't handle the pressure anymore, I'm Ice Mafia, you can leash me if you spare my life

I hope this is a joke. In my last multiball, I made it to about page 10 before I gave up.

VOTE: Technical Difficulties

I'm on board with this wagon for now. Mathdino seems self-conscious about the multiball situation and Impede's half just looks self-conscious in general. Let's see where this takes us.

Being self-conscious = scummy?

[Iconeum]

Fair point.

No, it's not.

[Iconeum]

Ofcourse. If his claim is real let's have him prove it.
I lied about the cookies though, but don't tell him that.

[Iconeum]

Ice Mafia Goon Role PM wrote:
Welcome, [player name]. You are a Foreign Spy, along with your partner, [player name].

Abilities:
•Factional Communication:

During the night phase you may talk with your partner here

[Private Topic link].
•Factional Kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.

Win Condition:
You win when the other mafia team is eliminated and you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Quoted from OP. Bolded part. You do not fool me. Give us your scumpartner if you want to live.

[Iconeum]

V/LA weekends.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Iconeum

Like...43 could have been funny and RVSy. But your 51, 54, and 58 are just...unnecessary and fake. Especially 58.

Talk to you Monday, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised to see you pop in soon.

I disagree. NM's posts have been useless. By interacting with him i tried getting some actual discussion out of him. Do you disagree with my 58?

What the hell does that comment on my popping in mean?

[Iconeum]

Also, NM's iso looks very bad, I dont see any town motivitaon in his posts. When he got L-3, he voted with GIF nakedly which looks weird. I would vote NM but it would be L-1 so Ill vote

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Attacks NM, votes guyinfreezer without any explanation?

[Iconeum]

Is meta play a big deal here?
My vote on NM is serious.

Tatl n teal i dont like. More on that tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

So Tatl and Teal:

42 TT comments on skitter post to TD in regards to general advice. TT says he likes that post, but I don't. Skitter could have made that same comment earlier towards TT's opening post which was the same only larger.
I don't like skitter there, and I don't like TT's response to skitter either.

In that same post calling out NM's claim as possibly genuine, but no interest in following that up.

In 82 he backs down and says there is maybe no meaning in NM claim. Also, other aspects of NM's play are town? I'd want to see where you think he has played town so far.

[Iconeum]

How am I supposed to judge a slot if 1 head says something is scummy, and the other one comes in saying the opposite?
I'm not going to let you cover up like that. That would only allow your other half to come in and save you if any of you slip.

Make up your mind, and then say what you want. It doesn't help town to hear 2 colliding opinions coming from 1 slot.

[Iconeum]

Agreed it's early, but I noticed it and found it worthy to mention.

Regarding Skitter, his 38 was in response to TD's 19. I feel that post would have been better suited as a response to your 21. It strikes me that he chose TD's post over yours to respond to.

He only responded with a joke on statistics.

[Iconeum]

Also to elaborate on NM, I don't think it's a trivial point. I'm voting him because he claimed mafia, and has made no attempt at, well, anything. Your slot says they consider NM as scum, but also as not scum but also not as town. Now if NM would be lynched, that gives us exactly 0 indication on where you stand.

[Iconeum]

Well as you can see the whole double tap has me confused. At least now I know where you stand on NM.

[Iconeum]

I'm not voting for Not Mafia this day phase. I have had a lot of dealings with Not Mafia and he plays the same almost, in either alignment. It gets to a point that he virtually becomes a policy lynch for myself because he's hard to read. So I'm not prepared to jump on that wagon just yet.

But this vote stands out for me.

VOTE: RedFlavour

You want to postpone NM lynch, despite you believe it will become a policy lynch anyway. That's not a town mindset, as lynching NM later only gets in the way of lynching more developped leads/reads.

Also, kettle and pot something with your vote here ->129
You vote someone else then who you talk about/attack, but you call out and vote Red for that very reason.

[Iconeum]

Beefster, care to make at least a reference to me seeing how I'm your top scumread?

You make somewhat of a case on TnT, and I feel your vote on NM is justified yet a little weak at this stage.

[Iconeum]

My current perception of scumminess (from ISOs, most scummy to most towny):

Iconeum
Not_Mafia
Tatl and Tael

skitter30
Sesq

GIF
RedFlavor
Hawk

Kop
Sky_Paladin

TD
Mumble

I'm not sure I can really explain why atm. It's purely intuitive and it's likely to change as I figure out what my subconscious is trying to tell me.

Explain me why your previous vote was on Hawk, for reasons you mentioned in 177, yet you switch to NM while pushing Hawk to upper half of your read list?

[Iconeum]

I'm not quite sure why, but I was sheeping Tatl and Tael for a while... Upon closer inspection, they look scummier than they did initially.

I'm not sure what to think about Sesq
I was wrong about TD and heavily misread - They're probably town.
Tatl and Tael seem quite self-conscious. It's a hard slot to read, but I'm going to lean scum on them. Tael's opening post that was theory-heavy looks somewhat suspicious and that hydra slip looks like it may have been deliberate attempt to look like careless town. Same could be said about head contradiction.
RedFlavor and Hawk both look reaching in their logic. I suspect they're both scum, possibly even a scumteam. But it's hard to say anything for sure.
Not_Mafia seems passive/lurky, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention.

VOTE: Hawk

There's 5 hours between this post and the general read list in 177, yet both hawk and red move from suspected scum to null? 6 players become more scummy then his 'possibly a scumteam' read.

VOTE: Beefster

[Iconeum]

T&T's mumble case is garbage. Mumble is obvtown.

Explain this. Unless it's also something you can't really explain.
I'm having trouble accepting that Beefster still reads me as nr 1 scum, without being able to clarify, while having other scumreads he CAN explain.
On top of that, he managed to vote

6

different players. And not one of those votes was on his nr 1 scum read.

If Beefster is town here, and he reads player x as his top scum, I'd expect him to put pressure on that target and at least try to verify the read...

[Iconeum]

There's 5 hours between this post and the general read list in 177, yet both hawk and red move from suspected scum to null? 6 players become more scummy then his 'possibly a scumteam' read.

Is it unlikely for that to happen?

I'm not sure if unlikely is the word I wanna use here. It doesn't make any sense. Nothing changed in that timeframe. And 'upon rereading' making a full 180? So yes, unlikely. It feels more like backtracking under pressure.

[Iconeum]

7

[Iconeum]

I do like questioning my scumreads

[Iconeum]

Which is your reason for voting me

[Iconeum]

Lol

[Iconeum]

okay let's just lynch N_M.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Paused and a week left but settle on NM?

[Iconeum]

Yo skitter, yesterday it was too soon for a NM lynch and 24h later you settle for it? What's up with that?
Don't you have TD to push with so much time left on the clock?

[Iconeum]

Hawk and RedFlavour are obvscum

Convince me

[Iconeum]

Vla back monday

[Iconeum]

About Hawk:

The good:

61 feels like a big overreaction for that stage of the game, but more likely to come from town then scum.
73 and 98 feel like town to me.
192 def a town-motivated post.

The bad:

240 'others want this slot lynched so that's ok for me'
274 instant vote change as he gets called out for voting NM.
284 disagreeing with GiF logic but Hawk changed his vote after following said logic.
The entire Hawk-GiF duel that follows is not in favour of Hawk.

There's a few more posts that follow where he goes cookoo against players who are voting him, actually I read them as frustrated town and not as caught scum.

I'd say revisit Hawk D2/3 if he's still alive.

[Iconeum]

About RedFlavour:

65 'Hey guys i'm reading this slot as scum but i don't want to pressure it so I'll just vote elsewhere'.
66 feels like a defense of what I originally read as a joke.
85 'Oh it wouldn't be as much pressure as I thought and i'm being called out for it, so i'd better switch there now'.

110 Yo Red, if you thought I made weird looking posts, why didn't you call me out yourself?

113 is a lie: Red didn't think NM was at L-1, he literally said he didn't want to bring NM to L-1. See 65.

I'd vote Red over Hawk 100% of the time here.

[Iconeum]

I'm not liking Mikan's ISO one bit, and it has nothing to do with that PR. It's even less meaningfull then NM and that is saying something...

Still not liking Beefster, and his 364 is kinda weird: he looked through Hawk ISO but didn't find anything except the voting pattern. Yet the vote that pinged Beefster wasn't made until 2 days AFTER Beefster votes Hawk.
So what was your Original vote based on there, Beefster?

Yeah it's between Beefster and Red for me, today.

fp'd by Beefster

[Iconeum]

I voted NM because it seemed like progress on mumble and RedFlavor wasn't going anywhere... No one seemed to agree with the thought Mumbles sudden defense of Beefster was odd. And Redflavor was meeting some kind of invisible resistance. he never hit l-1 to push a claim.

Also if my reasons seem shallow or arbitrary it's because I really don't have a strong sense of scum this game. Mikan could be scum but I didn't think TDs stuff was alignment indicative. I do think that if I'm incorrect about that the case looks a lot better because I basically had that slot as null not as town or as scum so if I'm wrong it's a scumlean.

Mikans recent play hasn't inspired a townlean but it's not super scummy. The scummiest thing I feel was the vote on me felt oppurtunistic but she's also following the last read list of her predecessor so... idk...

Yeah... No. Not buying this explanation.

Voting on someone you don't think is super scummy? Look I know I'm not one to talk here, but do you have

any

scum leads, or is it just this weaksauce Mikan case?

Yo Beefster, you don't get to play that response. Here's your 'reasoning' for voting Hawk:

VOTE: Tatl and Tael

Something just seems off about this slot and I don't think it's the hydra.

Not_Mafia gives nothing to work with for analysis, so is an understandable policy lynch, but I think it's too early in the discussion to be policy lynching.

You didn't get to explaining the vote later, and the reasons you mentioned only happened AFTER you voted Hawk.
Please explain what part you are not buying?
Also why are you giving Hawk crap about his vote on NM, while you were voting NP too for similarly crappy reasons before?

[Iconeum]

Ill catch up in the morning. L1? Intent to hammer rf

[Iconeum]

If doc doesn't target me they don't deserve my reads.

So much pro town here...

[Iconeum]

Doc is protecting GiF if RF flips scum

[Iconeum]

I can dig that

VOTE: beefster

[Iconeum]

Busy for the weekend expect mofe from me on monday

[Iconeum]

I don't like Beefster case on GiF, mostly because it's based on seeing scum motivation in the softing of doc. I really don't see why a scum would soft doc

with another scum team active

. This would hold up in a normal game, not in multiball.
Also don't agree with many of the other points Beefster makes on Gif.

That said, I don't read Beefster as scum for it and I like the effort he's putting up. UNVOTE: Beefster

[Iconeum]

Liking sesq's intervention in the beefster-gif discussion.
I suppose I'll put GiF on the town-side of my reads here.

[Iconeum]

skitter's 518...

Voting beefster over a vote that beefster made on GiF... While in that same post you attack Gif for the very reason beefster is all over GiF...
Really seems weird. Continues to attack GiF in 520 while skitter's vote is on beefster for doing the same thing.

VOTE: skitter

[Iconeum]

In response to Sky's 473:

I stand by my complaint about hydra's. 2 different opinions are good/2 different opinions coming from the same slot, not so much...
Knowing my own reasons behind NM vote, I was curious why Beefster was voting there. Why would I not question that?

NM was a good place to start, but I conceded that lynching him probably wasn't the best thing to do so I moved on to a better read. Not sure you were criticising me on scumhunting there?

Somewhere in there I agreed that policy lynching NM wasn't best option, I accepted that and moved on. The reasoning behind this is pretty good, so I found the 'late' votes on NM suspicious.

My current opinion on NM/Hawk is that they are useless because inactivity. I read Hawk D1 as scum-sided based on his late NM vote.
NM... I don't know. Does anyone? If he's town he probably won't be NK'd... If he's scum, he's probably not getting NK'd... I hope he's town and will produce something usefull.

[Iconeum]

Yeah we should definitely lynch Beef today.
In addition to his last 2 pages and his sheep vote, he isn't even following up on his biggest scumread from D1. He's not town.

I'll bet he will have to look through his own ISO to go find out who was that scumread was.

VOTE: Beefster

[Iconeum]

That's L-1.

[Iconeum]

sesq why are you holding back on beefster? Especially seeing how you have 0 scumreads. Not much effort from you in hunting at all.
Noting this for D3, after Beef is lynched and flips scum.

I very much wanna see a Beefster lynch today

[Iconeum]

VCs.

(1) Was Not Mafia an RVS wagon?
(2) Was the RedFlavour wagon a counter to Beefster's? (Meanwhile my slot was wagoned too.)
(3) Who was scum here?

Kop

, GuyInFreezer, Not_Mafia, Sesq, Beefster,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

(2) and (3) looks important, especially because the Beefster-wagon seemed to fade into nothingness.

1) Started in RVS, continued for various reasons because of playstyle I suppose
2)I consider RF wagon a compromise wagon for getting a lynch. There was definitely something there to warrant the lynch
3)In retrospect, I'd say Sesq, Beefster are scum on that wagon. Lynching Beefster for flip would fortify my read, and if that happens I would maybe look at Mikan as well.

[Iconeum]

You guys seem to have the flavour down. Care to get me up to speed on that one?
That way maybe we can get the 1-player scum out of the game, that's 1 NK less to worry about.

[Iconeum]

I suppose the good news is, I *could* just random vote since that's a 50% gamble.

[Iconeum]

Sky_Paladin - scum / not with Mikan
Sesq - town
Mikan Tsumiki - scum / Most sure about this one, pretty sure partnered with aneninen based on ISO. If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.
skitter30 - not sure
GuyInFreezer - town
Springlullaby - not sure

[Iconeum]

Spring has a grand total 9 posts, so scum lurking? He manages to call my townreads scum, but I don't really read him is as scum for that...

[Iconeum]

We should really grant Tattle's wish here and lynch Mikan today.

[Iconeum]

Mumble, right. Still a null read. He was pushing me, but didn't really feel committed.

Everyone should make a read list now, there aren't that many players left so the effort isn't that huge.

[Iconeum]

I'm not very happy with the Beefster lynch btw, scum wagon don't go as easy on d2 as rule of thumb.
So yeah this town needs to clam its tities.

Right now, Sesq's post doesn't make me read him less scum.
and scum list are good

Scumming up:
skitter
sesq
possibly GIF (it was one of GIF or sesq yesterday) I dunno, I like sesq as scum better so GIF as null

NULL
SKy
Ico

TOwn:
Mikan


I'll do a VCA next now we have a scum flip.

I'd seriously love an explanation on that Mikan town read bro

[Iconeum]

spring, if you are going by 225 from TD, what do you think if his hard-townread on me? You have me as scum.
Would you agree or disagree that a townTD is pushing the Hawk-scum read much much harder?
How do you explain the read change between 167 and 225, where TD goes from scum!beefster to town!beefster? That's a full 180 there.

So yeah, 'town all over' is not what I would call that 225.

[Iconeum]

Mikan, we are waiting for your GiF case and we don't like this waiting!
Get to it, now!

[Iconeum]

spring, changing mind is not scummy by itself. However, there is no reasoning behind the change whatsoever. Read the posts in between the 180. There is no reason for switching like that. 1 minute it's scum, next it's town? That's not a change of mind, that's convenience and I do read it as scummy.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: mikan

[Iconeum]

So I was going to give TD space but at this point there's something I dislike about every single one of their posts and the only person I feel strongly enough about to consider as an alternative is RedFlavor but even them there's stuff I like? Like there's not really any comparable options to me and that's the only situation I'd consider lynching someone I expect to be active, so, like idk, I don't want to not wagon scum right now. Let's get this wagon going seriously and we'll see if TD does anything to make me reevaluate that read.

-Tael

@Mumble I still expect a response to my question.

VOTE: Technical Difficulties

Sesq feels town, Skitter has been bumped up to near locktown, not happy with mumble, Kop is okay.

Alisae you fucking know better than to question me being docced.


REMINDER THAT ALISAEA SLOT REPLACES TD AND IS SCUM 100% OF THE TIME.

Alisa's is literally scumclaiming right now so if I die you know who the next two lynches are, neither of those two would contest doc on me ever as town.

Probably even scum together.

Not intentionally outing alts but he replaced an obvscum slot and both of you are trying to encourage the doc to encourage someone who hard caught gif scum in our last game and hard caught Ali in Night and Day

Ali doesn't push some.sort of crap about how I shoulsnt be docced for having been absent s few days nor does he ever call me scummy for that hammer

hi you know I'm good enough to do better plays as scum than to lurk and scummy hammer and my Hydra partner not doing her part isn't going to.make scum any less likely to nightkill me?

Like 100% one team kills me if I'm not docced I only live if both do

U-uh, I think its just my opinion that I don't like the fact you've been laying low.

Fuck you you know that I don't lurk or lie low as scum in multiball where my only chance of survival is the doc save.

Ali is scum

This isn't the way townisae talks to me.

Doc on me or not, mikan isn't surviving tomorrow ever

So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point

[Iconeum]

So yeah I'm basicly sheeping this read at this point

Form your own reads based on your own conclusions.
Plus I can bring up multiple quotes where RC as said that he cannot read me reliably.

If I had a firmer grip on this game I would def be pushing my own reads... BUT I don't so I reread confirmed town ISO's and there are pretty solid reads on you there so it's good enough for me

Oh wait you're scum
riiiiiiiiiiight.

OMGUS much?

[Iconeum]

thank you for stopping the trolling.

HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
HEY SPRING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING
STOP TROLLING

YOUR GARBAGE PLAY IS THE SAME AS TROLLING IF YOU'RE TOWN
STOP IT.

BTW, the mod shouldn't have tolerated you switching account like that, it's all least bad practice.

LOL
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Vote: Sesq

I haven't read the entirety of day 1 but I don't like much the mikan votes.

A)The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling;
B)Kop's iso reads as low key no content: with susp on mikan and tatl , but not enough that it looks like defensive NK. -> I guess the NK was targetting a possible low poster flying under the radar doc.
C)The Taetl iso looks like a bunch a crap I'm hard pressed to see the rhyme to that kill so won't speculated there.

> My conclusion so far is that mikan looks too juicy a target to be true and Sesq's vote isn't seemingly motivated by anything beside wagon?

Sesq: reads on all players of the game please.

This post contains nothing that is worthwile and adds to the game.
Not to mention her read on me is basicly "I'm too wolfy to be a wolf" and I don't really feel like they have a naturally formed read on me, it kinda just feels like they know I'm town.
This is a theme in their ISO btw.

Soo many words. Dear town can you make it easy for me to read you as town by cutting the bullshit and quote wars and so on out.

HEY LOOK. HEY LOOK.
YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT I SEE?
I SEE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO READ POSTS.
I SEE SOMEONE WHO ISN'T READING THE GAME.
GUESS WHAT?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WALLPOSTING?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ALT SLIPS?
YOU'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAME NOT BEING READABLE WHEN YOU ARE

MAKING 0 ATTEMPT TO READ THE GAME AND UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE CONCLUSIONS THEY ARE COMING TO?

THEN GUESS WHAT
DON'T PLAY THE GAME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE POSTING.

WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING MIKAN?
WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING MIKAN?
IDK, HERE IS A SUGGESTION
IT'LL IMPROVE YOUR PLAY BY 10%.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT WHY PEOPLE ARE VOTING THE WAY THEY ARE?
OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN THE WHOLE GAME AND CONTINUE TO BE CLUELESS?

Soo many words. Dear town can you make it easy for me to read you as town by cutting the bullshit and quote wars and so on out.

I kinda want to unvote sesq just because it's easier to read. *sigh*

FOS Skitter for low content day 1 and lurkage now.

Mikan is

continued

Mikan is a town read for me, on account of Technical Difficulties post D1.

GIF, why are you voting Mikan?

Sorry um, lost my composure there for a bit.
Their anger about wallposting is probably coming from scum.
Their "I want to unvote sesq" seems lame and comes off as they are just forming reads on the spot.
their FoS on Skitter seems like they are just forming reads on the spot.
Spring is making no attempt to get a read on my own play because she knows I'm town.
Her asking GiF why he's voting me is just a repeated question that will never get a follow up.

--

this is gonna be mostly shoot from the hip
[snip]

This post is a huge town read for me, for clarity, to the use of image to demonstrate a very valid point and so on.
So yes, why people are voting mikan again?


Gotta go, catching up more later.

Spring is making no attempt to get a read on my own play because she knows I'm town and this read doesn't advance the gamestate in any way.
Her asking why I am getting voted is just a repeated question that will never get a follow up. If she cared she would look into it herself.

--

I didn't really have a read on Mumble. Spring's posts are really weird; I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how she's been coming to her conclusions. Spring/sesq probably isn't a thing. I don't really understand where her readlslist is coming from (especially the strong townread on Mikan)

I already answered to the Mikan slot. Mikan himself is not a townread of mine, but Technical Difficulties's #225 (IIRC) is a strong town read from my going through D1 and I'm sticking to it. I think perhaps people don't understand my reads because I replaced in and am not embroiled in tunnels of interactions. I think also people don't understand my read because I'm an old player and stuff that seem obvious to me do not seem so to you guys.

Beefster was quite obviously town to me just on account of the speed of his wagon. You better bet that, esp in multiball, there will be resistance to a wagon on scum. See my last game where I was scum and did belly dancing to avoid my

cop counterclaimed partner

being lynched, and it almost worked too.

What I really don't see is how you guys are reading Mikan as scum. Just go read 225. It's town all over.

BTW, this is actually a good post from skitter

BUT

it lacks a vote.
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VOTE COUNT

RedFlavor

(7) -

Kop

,

GuyInFreezer

,

Not_Mafia

,

Sesq

,

Beefster

,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

Not_Mafia

(2) -

Tatl and Tael

, Sky_Paladin

Beefster

(2) - Iconeum,

skitter30

Iconeum

(1) -

Mumble

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

RedFlavor

Not Voting:

A lynch has been achieved!

Night has ended.

Flip incoming.

VOTE COUNT

Beefster

(6) -

Not_Mafia

, Mikan Tsumiki, Sky_Paladin, Iconeum,

Aneninen

+

Sesq in #607

Sesq

(2) -

springlullaby

,

Beefster

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

GuyInFreezer

Not Voting:

skitter30

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

--> I kinda understand how Mikan's vote don't look good. But my town read on TD is really strong.
--> THe VCA and the Ane's flip throw a wrench in my townwagon D1 theory. Though I still can see another scum on there.
--> I can see GIF being townier and Sky paladin being scummier from the VCA.
--> Sesq's vote don't look good.


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Sesq, whereas I was scum I wouldn't see the point of your "gambit". Me being town just make me go wut about your reasoning. I have zero control over NK's so what you are saying is akin to me saying, "yeah sesq is scum who killed Aneninen to frame me by saying that I killed Aneninem to frame him"

That kind of logic is just bad and not townie and I don't know how people are not reading it as scum. Plus the casual jokes about who you are going to NK, it's just piling up.

Also, your vote on me has OMGUS voting all over it.

My yesterday's vote was more of a hunch but today you are flailing quite hard I believe. + Bad votes.

VOTE: SESQ

Updated read list

Scum:
Sesq
Sky
Icon

Null:
GIF
Skitter

Town:
Mikan

I'll think about fire and ice next.

Her read on me is extremely lacking in that its day 3 and there should be more then enough information to get a read off of my slot. It really doesn't feel like she's trying to sort my alignment here. And if her townread on me is so strong then it really doesn't feel like she's making any attempt to really defend my lynch, if anything it feels like she doesn't care if it goes through. Hence why I asked for a towncase, if she was town and thought I was town and had a strong townread on me, she would attempt to do everything in her power to make sure I am not the lynch today. However she's not doing that.

Her Skitter thoughts here is scum attempting to hold onto a read and doesn't come across as natural.
Her attempt at VCA honestly doesn't feel like she's making any attempt to scumhunt and form naturally formed reads.
Honestly her Sesq push honestly feels like its coming from scum.

Also her readlist is terrible and honestly just kinda feels like she's adjusting her reads as she goes.
I don't get the sense she's trying to form reads like at all, and she's probably WKing me for some kind of "towncred" that she's never going to get because no one cares.

Beefster: The things he thinks are scummy are actually fairly consistent, and his reads reevaluation reads genuine. I powerlynched Beefster literally last multiball game, and either he's actively making an effort to not play exactly the same, or he's just not scum here. Constantly changing trajectory heavily implies town. Not_Mafia vote is actively pro-town.

Nope, still not scummy. I think it looks like TD reviewed his case on Beefster (and everyone else for that matter) before replacing out. I don't think scum would have done that, why go to the trouble and put a target on themselves for potential inconsistency? What scum TD would have to gain from doing that? I think it's just a genuine read.
Why am I seemingly the only one seeing that?

My read stand.

Even though I don't particularly like Mikan's posting style. ^

Honestly the more they talk about one TD post instead of their posting overall and my posting overall makes me think she just knows I'm town, and the "I don't particularly like Mikan's posting style" bit kinda just seems like something she can use to vote me later on

Me putting pressure on you to stop the bullshit, make me protown, not scum.

LOL

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Funny how you are dismissing what I'm saying by acting like OMGUS was the case. I suppose it's the best play to do what you are doing: personal attacks to clutter up the thread and hide the fact that you are incapable and unwilling to dive into the actual content.

In fact, all you have done since you replaced your alt, which was not a pro-town move, is continue trolling with 1 difference: instead of roleplaying you are acting like a dick, continuously attacking players directly.

Not only is it poor behaviour for a player, it's not even game-related anymore.
I'd just policy lynch you at this point for ruining the game, if there weren't any actual scumreads on you.

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@Mod playing on this account for now so repping out of Mikan to play on this.

Just for you
I would rep in and out and in just for you but I don't want to torture the mod she's my friend.

If you don't like it leave.

Oh whats that?
You have an opinion?
Here is my opinion about your opinion:
I don't care.

For all I care you're furniture.

You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

Like
I have concerns
I have things I am saying
I have arguements I am presenting.

But if you want to ignore all of those and say well,
This

Then thats fine,
Your stubbornness isn't town motivated though

Such strong town motivation

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You should pick up a pair of glasses and read my posts instead of just saying "WAAAAAAH I'M BEING BULLIED WAAAAAH."

Like
I have concerns
I have things I am saying
I have arguements I am presenting.

But if you want to ignore all of those and say well,
This

Then thats fine,
Your stubbornness isn't town motivated though

You are turning around the facts here. I have concerns about you. You are deliberately going on the offensive because it's getting hot beneath those feet of yours. You are twisting and turning in every possible angle to show that 'OMGUS' was my point. It wasn't. There is no need to go on about this.

Make no mistake. I don't read you as town. I did have a hard time fabricating a case on you, that's exactly why I went back to reread and get help.
Am I less capable as a player because of this? Perhaps. Am I wrong because of this? Hell no.

The fact that you keep playing this personal shows just how incapable you are of refuting the actual points, and that's just a sad sad way of going about.

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Ur my single biggest scumread and I failed to produce a presentable case on you, and I went back to get help in fabricating a case... so why wouldn't I?
I can't just wait hoping for someone to put it together for me...

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I don't think Alisae is obv-town, she is in my 'could be Fire mafia' list.

I don't really see a valid scenario of Skitter-Spring as buddies together, because I would have expected in that scenario, Skitter would have been more interested in when I pushed Icon for the lynch (or GiF, who is also in my list of picks for Fire mafia).

While I could see Skitter/Icon as Ice mafia team, neither of them are viable lynches at this point. I was hoping GiF would give me some insight into why Spring could be fire Mafia but he declined so maybe one of the others on that wagon (hint Alisae) could explain their vote for me. At this stage I'm not interested in hammering there.

Alisae, do you actually see scum!Skitter or are you just raging at Skitter's vote?

Switch your vote to Alisae, your current vote makes little sense. You want to lynch fire, you distrust Alisae, but she is on the same wagon.

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What is town-motivated about Alisae play? Bashes everything and everyone that has a different opinion, not a single effort to try and get some form of town cohesion. Quite the opposite in fact.
I'm not calling spring town, but I am not voting where Alisae is.

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Sky_Paladin - scum / not with Mikan
Sesq - town
Mikan Tsumiki - scum / Most sure about this one, pretty sure partnered with aneninen based on ISO. If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.
skitter30 - not sure
GuyInFreezer - town
Springlullaby - not sure

Hey, I am/was scumreading you too man. But there have to be a few town here, who knows maybe we are both town.
Fact is that we both read Mikan as scum so let's start there.

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Well, after you found Not_Mafia, Control Group half-dissolved in the kitchen sink

Yup this kill is the cheeky kill.

VOTE: Mikan

If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.

Please do.
Cos I see Sky as very strong potential partner of Mikan.

Spring could be redscum tbh
But the only reason I have for that was her comment on Kop death: it was kinda too descriptive

VOTE: spring

There isn't a whole lot of GiF pushing cases here, but you make your scumreads clear.
So you think it's Spring as red scum, then Mikan/Sky as blue?

If so, why is Sky voting with me on Mikan now?

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I don't see how anyone still thinks i'm scum here

[Iconeum]

Reread how I got to Alisea as scum, and tell me you don't see a town-motivated read behind it. i know this is still multiball, but it has to count for something.

[Iconeum]

We should really grant Tattle's wish here and lynch Mikan today.

yw

[Iconeum]

Sky_Paladin - scum / not with Mikan
Sesq - town
Mikan Tsumiki - scum / Most sure about this one, pretty sure partnered with aneninen based on ISO. If anyone cares I can go into further detail here.
skitter30 - not sure
GuyInFreezer - town
Springlullaby - not sure

This is a copy of my previous readlist.

I'm down 100% for lynching sky today. Skitter as secondary option.

other thoughts?

[Iconeum]

Since this is now a 3v2, we literally need all 3 town to allign votes here unless scum busses.
Don't vote unless there is a majority agreement on the lynch.

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Interesting that we don't have flips on any of the players who voted Alisae. I personally expected GiF or myself to be the night kill because GiF had for a long time pushed the narrative of blue scum being Sky/Mikan, and with Mikan flipping red (and red being dead) that doesn't hold water any more. So, what better way to setup a GiF mislynch then by killing me and showing a green flip? Skitter has wanted GiF lynched for most of the game - wouldn't that be enough?
If somebody wanted to push a mislynch on me, the easiest way would be to kill a player who I'd been focusing on. Is that why Kop was killed? Is that why Sesq was killed? But red killed Kop and blue killed Sesq.

If both mafia teams hated me so much, why not just kill me? Or am I just obviously mislynchable?

Or, more likely, you are scum

I'm also interested in you proving that i've been working together with skitter.
Because if you flip scum, I'm putting him at 50/50 with spring as your partner.

[Iconeum]

Everyone should at least state their preferred lynch

[Iconeum]

Come on guys, talk to me.

Who is willing/not willing to lynch Sky?

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I kinda feel like I'm letting myself get distracted by sky.

Out of everyone, I think that spring is most likely scum - she's been coasting for days now and providing very little content, and the hammer yesterday on someone she townread was atrocious.

Going through spring's ISO:

603 - sky likes TD's readslist in part 'for the use of an image to demonstrate a very valid point' -> I just realized the very valid point is that TD used that image to demonstrate his townread on mumble-slot. This actually kinda looks like she's using TD's readslist to bolster a townread on her slot?

OK, reading through the rest of her posts, and the main thing she does is defend the townread on TD despite badposting from alisae. I'm overall really confused as to the motivation of holding such a strong townread on someone for like two gamedays and doing like nothing else (and then hammering the townread when the oppurtunity came around). There's like very little scum-hunting from her at any point.

There was actually a fair bit of turning around on the alisae town read by spring by the end of the day. It's literally there in the last few posts if you actually read the spring ISO.

I'm willing to vote sky. Anyone else?

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I was sick, back now.

Going to hammer, spring is scum, I'm still believing it's with Sky. We can figure that one out if we are correct about Spring.

VOTE: spring

[Iconeum]

Yeah you had to nk me