Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

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Hi guys, ego posting from phone and catching up tomorrow.

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Vote: Sesq

I haven't read the entirety of day 1 but I don't like much the mikan votes.

A)The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling;
B)Kop's iso reads as low key no content: with susp on mikan and tatl , but not enough that it looks like defensive NK. -> I guess the NK was targetting a possible low poster flying under the radar doc.
C)The Taetl iso looks like a bunch a crap I'm hard pressed to see the rhyme to that kill so won't speculated there.

> My conclusion so far is that mikan looks too juicy a target to be true and Sesq's vote isn't seemingly motivated by anything beside wagon?

Sesq: reads on all players of the game please.

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VOTE: Sesq

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A)The speed of the Beefster wagon makes me think the RF lynch wasn't scumpiling;

What connects these?

I read Beefster as townish, and the speed of his wagon today doesn't change my mind about that.
As IIRC Beefster was vocal in the RF lynch, it makes me conclude that the proponents of that lynch was not a big scum manipulation.

GIF why are you voting mikan?

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Soo many words. Dear town can you make it easy for me to read you as town by cutting the bullshit and quote wars and so on out.

I kinda want to unvote sesq just because it's easier to read. *sigh*

FOS Skitter for low content day 1 and lurkage now.

Mikan is

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continued

Mikan is a town read for me, on account of Technical Difficulties post D1.

GIF, why are you voting Mikan?

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@Spring

reads on all players of the game please.

Do you have reads Spring? Please share.

Sky, I'm catching up.

Reading your iso, you seem to be talking a lot yet your vote on Beefster seems to be "this guy is sheeping". Am I right?
Can I have a nice list of all your reads please.

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this is gonna be mostly shoot from the hip
[snip]

This post is a huge town read for me, for clarity, to the use of image to demonstrate a very valid point and so on.
So yes, why people are voting mikan again?


Gotta go, catching up more later.

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Pleasing the dead is a bit casual no?

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I'll wait patiently.

Yeah, I'm waiting patiently too.

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I'm not very happy with the Beefster lynch btw, scum wagon don't go as easy on d2 as rule of thumb.
So yeah this town needs to clam its tities.

Right now, Sesq's post doesn't make me read him less scum.
and scum list are good

Scumming up:
skitter
sesq
possibly GIF (it was one of GIF or sesq yesterday) I dunno, I like sesq as scum better so GIF as null

NULL
SKy
Ico

TOwn:
Mikan


I'll do a VCA next now we have a scum flip.

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I redact GIF being null, i forgot this was multiball so GIF can be scum too.

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Gif, do you have only one scum as suspect? Really? and i'm not even on your list?

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I didn't really have a read on Mumble. Spring's posts are really weird; I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how she's been coming to her conclusions. Spring/sesq probably isn't a thing. I don't really understand where her readlslist is coming from (especially the strong townread on Mikan)

I already answered to the Mikan slot. Mikan himself is not a townread of mine, but Technical Difficulties's #225 (IIRC) is a strong town read from my going through D1 and I'm sticking to it. I think perhaps people don't understand my reads because I replaced in and am not embroiled in tunnels of interactions. I think also people don't understand my read because I'm an old player and stuff that seem obvious to me do not seem so to you guys.

Beefster was quite obviously town to me just on account of the speed of his wagon. You better bet that, esp in multiball, there will be resistance to a wagon on scum. See my last game where I was scum and did belly dancing to avoid my

cop counterclaimed partner

being lynched, and it almost worked too.

What I really don't see is how you guys are reading Mikan as scum. Just go read 225. It's town all over.

BTW, this is actually a good post from skitter

BUT

it lacks a vote.
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VOTE COUNT

RedFlavor

(7) -

Kop

,

GuyInFreezer

,

Not_Mafia

,

Sesq

,

Beefster

,

Hawk

, Mikan Tsumiki

Not_Mafia

(2) -

Tatl and Tael

, Sky_Paladin

Beefster

(2) - Iconeum,

skitter30

Iconeum

(1) -

Mumble

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

RedFlavor

Not Voting:

A lynch has been achieved!

Night has ended.

Flip incoming.

VOTE COUNT

Beefster

(6) -

Not_Mafia

, Mikan Tsumiki, Sky_Paladin, Iconeum,

Aneninen

+

Sesq in #607

Sesq

(2) -

springlullaby

,

Beefster

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) -

GuyInFreezer

Not Voting:

skitter30

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

--> I kinda understand how Mikan's vote don't look good. But my town read on TD is really strong.
--> THe VCA and the Ane's flip throw a wrench in my townwagon D1 theory. Though I still can see another scum on there.
--> I can see GIF being townier and Sky paladin being scummier from the VCA.
--> Sesq's vote don't look good.


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Sesq, whereas I was scum I wouldn't see the point of your "gambit". Me being town just make me go wut about your reasoning. I have zero control over NK's so what you are saying is akin to me saying, "yeah sesq is scum who killed Aneninen to frame me by saying that I killed Aneninem to frame him"

That kind of logic is just bad and not townie and I don't know how people are not reading it as scum. Plus the casual jokes about who you are going to NK, it's just piling up.

Also, your vote on me has OMGUS voting all over it.

My yesterday's vote was more of a hunch but today you are flailing quite hard I believe. + Bad votes.

VOTE: SESQ

Updated read list

Scum:
Sesq
Sky
Icon

Null:
GIF
Skitter

Town:
Mikan

I'll think about fire and ice next.

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BTW Sesq, read list if you please.

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Town:
Mikan

U-uh...
I would like to ask you to towncase me please.
S-Sorry if this is too much to ask!

I m not TD so i can't explain for him. But changing mind is not scummy. Esp on day 1. I don't have to espouse someone s view to think them Town. What do you think of that ico?

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Above is adressed at ico.

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Mikan, read list please.

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Whose alt/hydro is Mikan? It occupes to me it was larking or rp'ing or something.

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Occured *

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I already explained my town read on TD. It is what it is but I will review what Ico said. Mikan,you have not however posted a read list.

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Beefster: The things he thinks are scummy are actually fairly consistent, and his reads reevaluation reads genuine. I powerlynched Beefster literally last multiball game, and either he's actively making an effort to not play exactly the same, or he's just not scum here. Constantly changing trajectory heavily implies town. Not_Mafia vote is actively pro-town.

Nope, still not scummy. I think it looks like TD reviewed his case on Beefster (and everyone else for that matter) before replacing out. I don't think scum would have done that, why go to the trouble and put a target on themselves for potential inconsistency? What scum TD would have to gain from doing that? I think it's just a genuine read.
Why am I seemingly the only one seeing that?

My read stand.

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Even though I don't particularly like Mikan's posting style. ^

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Alright Mikan, you sign up with Mika, you post with Mikan.
You can just drop the RP. I'm not keeping track of your larking.

MOD: Please enforce this rule. It's annoying to keep track of people who play under different account in the same game. There are enough replacement to keep track of already.

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Alisae, thank you for stopping the trolling.

I read TD as strong town and already explained it. I don't actually know that you are town, just annoying to read on you other alt, enough to make me want not to bother.
You confirming that you were trolling makes me right, not lazy. Me putting pressure on you to stop the bullshit, make me protown, not scum.
BTW, the mod shouldn't have tolerated you switching account like that, it's all least bad practice.

Anyway, GIF is voting me because I made an hypothesis about why KOP was killed. Please demonstrate that it was a hypothesis only scum could have emitted. Thanks.

It's the ego parade in there.

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BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Anyway. I'll be reviewing the game once more sometimes tomorrow, put in a definitive vote and call it a day.

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And which alignement is more likely to think that the Kop kill, on a lurker was trying to target a doc?

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BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Anyway. I'll be reviewing the game once more sometimes tomorrow, put in a definitive vote and call it a day.

I don't like how easily you dropped the Alisae townread when they questioned you on it.

I'm not sure what you are referring to but to recap if isolated, I a)read TD as town, b) read Alisae as annoying, even more so with the putting forth of dumbs argument that I underlined.

I'm trying to separate the two not to get all my reads jumbled up because of dislike of the later's posting but Alisae is not protown, that much is clear. Though the sheer ego-ness, defensive over the top tone of the posts make me think more annoying than scum.

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And believe me, I trying very hard to not vote Alisae. But I have a strong read on TD and am sticking to it.

GIF, you said that you had other reads, but can you recap thank you.

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You know your wagon suck when there is literally nothing to respond to.

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Alright Mikan, you sign up with Mika, you post with Mikan.
You can just drop the RP. I'm not keeping track of your larking.

MOD: Please enforce this rule. It's annoying to keep track of people who play under different account in the same game. There are enough replacement to keep track of already.

In fact, this post at all is the only reason why I started doing so in the first place and even switched accounts.

Tell me alisae, what do you think of me putting pressure on you to stop cluttering the thread with account switching and an oui hein RP?

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*annoying ^

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BTW, just throwing another wrench in there, this is multiball, no scum can actually know that another player isn't scum. This is just eww from Alisae and makes me thing ego parade OMGUS more than scum because it's just so dumb.

Nope it applies just because you're scum doesn't mean you can't think a player is going to flip town and act like it will.

If this is all you have to say then you should just die.
Also if you think its dumb great, no one cares and we're just going to lynch you today anyways~

And now that the dust has settled a bit. What do you think of what you wrote there ? Still a valid point about why you think i'm scum ?

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@Spring

So I was looking at GiF's post just now because I was trying to figure out why if he was empty content posting and I noticed in your ISO that you had Mikan listed as your strong townread back in 647, 659 and actually pretty much every post since then.

What are you actually doing in 760/762?

Why are you voting Sesq and not (say) Icon or GiF?

Alisae's is getting on my paranoia since the logic is so bad. I asked questions to see if the slot can see the light with a clear head because, for me, when I read TD I still like.

Because Sesq is pretty scummy. Very low, scummy content, OMGUS on me, then replace out. Still my strongest scum read.
BTW I don't read Ico as less scummy now.

GIF what do you think of Alisae?

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I am very obvious town.
You can't see it because you have "I don't care about the game anymore so I just want my only real read dead because I cannot re-evaluate" syndrome.
The fact you've tunneled me all game, points you me being town.

And yes, those sort of reads flip town 100% of the time.
It's what you do when you want to THROW the game.

Alisae, reality check, if you are town that is, even with my very strong town read, what you put forth in the thread makes me doubt you.

Answer the questions I aimed at you please. And keep in mind that we are not all adolescents here.

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^strong town read on TD

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Gif, of you think something you want to speculate about you have to explain your reasonning not drop one liners that doesn't say anyyhing to test the water?

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Gif, i have a problem with your reasons of voting and suspicions that seem entirely based on outguessing the NK's.

So far, you seem to be suspecting:
A) Me because my speculation about why Kop died
B) Sky and Mikan, because some stuff about the Tatl and Tael kill

Do you have any other read beside that because that's just not how town does it.

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Please explain how my speculation was more "descriptive " (IIrc) than your speculation.

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Please explain how my speculation was more "descriptive " (IIrc) than your speculation.

Not relatively descriptive.
Just too descriptive.

Can you elaborate on why you think my speculation is too descriptive then.

What shocks you in my reviewing Kop's posts (to mind 8 posts total), and coming to the conclusion that since there isn't much content there and the slot is lurkish ( the mention that they aren't putting in the effort in one post) a reasonable hypothesis is that scum went for that slot to try and fish for doc. Especially given the setup, I don't see how thinking that scum would try to target the doc to be too descriptive.

I'm quite bothered by the fact that the only reason you find me scummy is some hypothesis I did regarding the NK, which I didn't even put emphasis on, but then come up which I find far reaching without blinking an eyelid. It's dissonant.

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Alisae, you are not exempt from answering questions I aimed at you.

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I didn't realise all votes were accounted for.

VOTE: Alisae

Better than me because I'm 100% town.

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I'm not scum. Whatever.

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Just very wrong about TD. Though Alisae had me going wut at some point so I can't be too mad at myself.
Bad logic, people, never let it pass, even when it's wrapped in an ego trip.

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Im not scum. I'll havé to reread though.

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Right now i'm partial to gif scum though.

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Sorry been busy.
I will have read when I do a VCA.

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Yay we win!! Bravo sky paladin, he won by himself. I did literally nothing D4.
A win well deserved by him I think

Thanks everyone for the game, it was enjoyable!