Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

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PK FFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRREE

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VOTE: Mathdino

Serious vote

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Mathdino is legit scum

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I think mastina night be drunk

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The awkward moment when Mathdino draws a scum role pm

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See, if math is town, that's going to carry us far. If mastina is town, it's going to carry us even farther. If both are town, that's an automatic win. But if both are scum, we lose.
I want to hear the thoughts on the game from assemble right now, that'll help me sort mastina.

Ummmmmm no

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Wtf is happening

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Oh awesome, back to regularly scheduled programming

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lol

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Let's not BoP mastin pls

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You don't lynch people out of spite, you lynch them for being scum

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No lynch is bad

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VOTE: ice

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No it's not.

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mastina is definitely the stick

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not_mafia what the fuck are you doing voting someone other than me

please actually explain this

I thought you were scum but now I don't, seems pretty self explanatory

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mastina's was just well written and enjoyable to read.

if you encourage mastina again i'm labeling you as the worst of the policy lynchpool

I have to agree with my prehistoric pal here, I have a finite amount of time on this earth and don't appreciate it being wasted reading 17 paragraphs that could have been said in a single sentence

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acryon is town, don't ask me why, everyone has what they need to figure it out

PEdit: omg everyone staph

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Can we please cancel the Mathdino and Mastina Show before it gets a second season?

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Mastgina

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I can't believe we're actually taking no lynch seriously

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acryon is town, don't ask me why, everyone has what they need to figure it out

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soft harder mastin

VOTE: kthnxbye

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I'm never voting acryon

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consider this post my vote for acryon. I'm not voting officially till I have a VC cuz I'm lazy and cuz math is hard and even though acryon is certainly today's lynch, there's no reason to cut off conversation for it this quickly.

If this lynch doesn't happen today, them I'm done. Barring an investigation claim, if we don't lynch this scum today, might as well just give up due to incompetence.

I'm never voting acryon

And why the hell is that? Due to incompetence?

@Carrot: totally missed that. Howdy again Mast. Also, now you read MY tag line and put me at the top of your town reads. kthxbye

Please lynch this when acryon flips town

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pls read game

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Are you 3 shot or can you send to up to 3 people per night?

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I can send messages up to three people per night

Why send to only mastin?

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The plan was to send it to mastina tonight, and send one to one other person tomorrow stating, that I'm town and if I was still alive then Mastina was scum.

Sending it to only one person last night, and one more each consecutive night I could eventually build a list of confirmed town because if scum got it, then I'm gonna be clearly dead due to the perceived IC messenger role that they wouldn't want to keep alive

I don't think anyone would have mistaken you for a friendly neighbour, but if you've been away for a while I can see you coming up with that plan. Back to lynching kthnxbye

PEdit: Okay yeah mastina's read is bullshit

VOTE: Carrot

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wtf is a hedgehorn?

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lol, bye mastin

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No you just shoved it in everyone's face without saying it, nice try ggnore

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We need what? 6? We already have 3, with A50 its 4. Mastin will be at L-2. Still think she (they?) won't happen today?

Oh it might because this is a town moronic enough to mislynch combined with the scumfucks who are being blatantly opportunistic about hopping onto this wagon when it should be rather unambiguous exactly why the wagon is shit.

But my statement earlier today was that I wouldn't be lynched if I were scum.

I'm town, so. Is possible given acryon the scumfuck he is will all too happily vote me and then it only takes InfernoBrafin derphammering me to end the day.

Would contradict my statement that I wouldn't be lynched this game which I said D1.

But.

Yaknow.

I stated that under the belief people would actually be rational, which I suppose was in fact an unrealistic expectation from this playerlist.

Literally the only player here I trust to not mislynch me is Mathdino because in spite of how much he finds me infuriating he has half a brain to know I'm not scum with this, which is pathetic since he's the next nightkill be it by his role or scum just outright directly killing him and I could very well be lynched before he even next checks in.

Flail more

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Claim your protective mastina

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The awkward moment when you aren't getting your mislynch so try desperately to tie them to the people pushing you

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And I mean no offense to Gamma Emerald, but if you think scum's abilities with town fakeclaims are going to be perfect, I'm sorry to say, he's not that level of a competent mod.

You can fakeclaim yourself

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Leaving a parallel flavour claim to a townie as a safe claim really isn't the herculean task of modding you're making it out to be, you can easily the role with yourself

@mod Are scum given fakeclaims, safe flavour claims, both or neither?

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You can ignore her permanently by lynching her

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Of all the things to pop out of the woodwork for kthnxbye picks people being cleared

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lol

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carrot/kthnxbye/?

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I'm sorry you drew scum

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Care to comment on mastina's claim kthnxbye? Or are you just gonna continue your discredit on everyone pushing her?

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Also, C&S may or may not be scum, but we aren't lynching them before we lynch acryon. Notice he's letting all this other shit play out and remaining silent yeah?

I can't prove that's what he's doing as he hasn't posted anywhere else since the end of D1, but my gut tells me it's so.

The awkward moment where you prove your own theory wrong in the same post

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Scum team clearly had a discussion last night about mislynching acryon and thought it would be easy. Now kthnxbye doesn’t know how to handle the Mastina situation and so is just avoiding it and throwing whatever shit he can think of at acryon and hoping it sticks

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I personally don’t know anyone who would put a scum messenger that looks like town in a game, only a fool would do such a thing

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Mathdino will agree with me

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the shortest sufficient answer

This will still be like 3 screen lengths

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What makes you think you have the towncred or authority to ask that?

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Just check your role PM

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I have cramp in my scrolling finger

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I can't say until after he flips

Also pls don't quit

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i think a50's defence of marangal against mastina is alignment informed, as is his push to get her lynched

But I think I know what you're doing! You're rolefishing, aren't you? You pushed Dino until he claimed and then found the BG unworthy of the lynch/NK. You probably caught Icon crumbing (you did admit you knew he was a backup JOAT) so you shot him. You probably are pushing me to get a claim and evaluate whether my role is worthy of being the N2 NK. Well, guess what? I'm not going to give you a claim even of I was run to L-1.

i also believe a50 knows better than this

there are many cases as to why mastina is scum

but not_fucking_mafia has a better case than "oh yeah mastina is rolefishing by pressuring people hard enough that they claim"

Wanna help me lynch her?

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I don't remember making a case though

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OKay those reads are disastrous carrot/kthnxbye/IB

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lol

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"Did you take an action last night?"
"Yes"
"No, you couldn't have done anything, therefore you're scum who did the NK"

K

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Thinking Mathdino might be scum after all, didn't like him at first because his policy lynch talk felt he was just going through the motions and playing to his meta because he knew I'd expect him to do it but then his frustration later felt genuine. I can't explain why he's now ignoring scum serving themselves up on a silver platter.

VOTE: kthnxbye

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Unfortunately, Not_Mafia is also scum here

He doesn't bus usually

I love bussing

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Unfortunately, Not_Mafia is also scum here

He doesn't bus usually

If you and Kthxbye are town and part of a club where you understand each other, then it's imperative that you try to help the rest of us understand. I just don't understand this strategy of expecting people to follow you without giving a single bit of effort in helping them do so.

I have zero reason to believe that Kthxbye is not still scum.

Exactly, for someone so obsessed with policy lynching, town Mathdino would understand kthnxbye has no towncred here

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Him and mastina (his scum partner) were both potential lynches for today, sorry you have to defend near indefensible partners Math, maybe if you bus now you can pull something off

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kthnxbye's claim isn't even consistent in itself

"Almost was lying when he said he took no action, therefore he must have done the NK, a night action."

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kthnxbye's claim isn't even consistent in itself

"Almost was lying when he said he took no action, therefore he must have done the NK, a night action."

Hmm? I feel really dumb..How is that inconsistent?

This is how the conversation went

"Almost, did you take a night action?"
"Yes"
"Liar, you can't have taken a night action, that means you performed the NK"

So he can't have performed a night action but he must have performed a night action.

Is kthnxbye an Accountant alt employing para-consistent thinking?

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Thinking N_M is more likely to be scum than Marangal here. N_M openwolfs more than she does IMO.

lol, yeah Math is lockscum

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Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

Him and mastin (his scum buddy) were the main counter wagons to acryon today, whose mislynch wasn't going through as easily as they thought, he tries to push through acryon anyway, doesn't work, so he gets desperate and throws out something at the other viable mislynch, A50

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Okay I get it but how can you call it inconsistent if you don't know his full role? I don't want to go research every investigative role out there but what if he can differentiate between an action and a scum NK?

Like his claim is totally out of the blue and unnecessary as scum. If he wants a townie to die why go after A50 specifically without even trying to build a wagon and consolidate scumreads

Him and mastin (his scum buddy) were the main counter wagons to acryon today, whose mislynch wasn't going through as easily as they thought, he tries to push through acryon anyway, doesn't work, so he gets desperate and throws out something at the other viable mislynch, A50

Okay unrelated - do you have a reasoning for why town!acryon would gladiate icon and MD or are you townreading purely because of your role?

It's not role based and I don't know why he did it, I just know he's town

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If we seriously no lynch and then lynch A50 here town might as well surrender now and save everyone time

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And I "effort" post as town when I need to, e.g. situations like this where scum are just holding up a neon sign and enough town are following it

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Since I'm somehow at seemingly at L-1....might as well full claim and rely on protection.

Claim:
I am Jeff, yoing scientist from Winters. I saved a couple blokes from Zombies (presuming this is flavor). I am a follower. I see what forms of abilities my target uses at night. Targeted Lil Uzi as I missed that he was replaced. I got NO RESULT. I confirmed with MOD that he gave me result for Almost and didn't screw me for missing the replacement.

So, while I may be incorrect in Almost performing kill, he certainly DID NOT use an ability lady night. Therefore he is lying. Zero reason to lie about this as town

So why did you say he performed the NK, I see no basis for saying that in your "role"

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What's with the doomsaying NM.. 12 days left to reach a majority. You are not helping your case at all.

Mastina, kthnxbye and Mathdino are openly scumclaiming in thread and getting away with it, if town can't lynch them now they won't lynch them ever

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I said IF he took an action as he says, it was the NK. My PR says he didn't use an ability last night so what else is there he could have done as town last night that doesnt make him lying scum?

Why is a kill not an ability? And the most logical explanation is that A50 got blocked, why did you jump to, "he must have done the NK which is an action but not an action"

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Kthx isn't though

I mean yes he could be lying. But his explanation has no inconsistency. He got no result. A50 claims he did something. Therefore he must be lying.

Him jumping to NK explanation was obviously flawed but him concluding A50 is scum makes sense.

It's not flawed, there's literally no reason whatsoever to think it, he was desperate and just threw out whatever he could to get A50 lynched

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Nice threat

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Still making no attempt to explain why A50 he thought A50 must have made the kill

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Pretend for a second I have super town cred

lol

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Still making no attempt to explain why he thought A50 must have made the kill

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I said IF he took an action as he says, it was the NK. My PR says he didn't use an ability last night so what else is there he could have done as town last night that doesnt make him lying scum?

Why is a kill not an ability? And the most logical explanation is that A50 got blocked, why did you jump to, "he must have done the NK which is an action but not an action"

Also ignoring questions about getting "no result"

Kthnxbye has ballsed up his claim and has put himself in an untennable position

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Add mastina to the list since she claimed to have a roleblock. Don't remember that she said she used it so let's see what she says about kthx.

Why does it matter? He claims to have got a result/ If he had been RB'd he should've got "No Result". That's actually my point. A "No Result" is not incriminating, while "You Saw Nothing" is.

You see an RB claim?

This is literally meaningless, either you got no result or you didn't. No result isn't the same as A50 went no where, or A50 took no action etc...

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@mod- What result would a follower get if they followed someone who took no action that night

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I like how Math is just ignoring that kthnxbye is refusing to explain why he thought no result mean A50 made the NK and just dismissing everyone telling no result doesn't mean what he says it meant

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I like how Math is just ignoring that kthnxbye is refusing to explain why he thought no result mean A50 made the NK and just dismissing everyone telling no result doesn't mean what he says it meant

Take a long hard look at the questions I asked the mod.

And yet A50 is still scum before you got the answers

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i'm actually really impressed at how difficult A50 is to lynch

given that he makes himself such an universally attractive lynch option when he's town lol

Translation: I thought he'd be an easy mislynch but my partners are scumming it up too much for me to force it through

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Kthxbye can you slow down a little for me?

How are you reaching the conclusion that no result = scum night kill? I think that's fucking me up as much as anything else.

No result to me means no action. We'll see what MOD had to say. If No Result is only from being blocked, I take the entire accusation back and we are back to square one

Yeah this is scum

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100%

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Okay I'm prepared to accept this shark jump could've come from town (pending mod comment)

pedit: night kill counts as an action surely?

This isn't road to rome

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You can't protect someone who's been lynched

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Actually, assuming we lynch scum today, and assuming the worst is able to confirm townies, we might have ourselves a mechanical win by directing the worst (who can confirm innos), Beefster (stop night actions), and Kthx (gets tracker guilties). Maybe throw in mastina's 1-shot roleblocker. Scum's gonna have a hard time killing.

I think we should elect someone to ultimately control the night actions. This ensures we don't end up allowing scum to target their scumbuddy.

That's a great argument as to why not all those players are town

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The end goal is to either gradually get innos on players or force scum to no lynch repeatedly.

I don't necessarily think all those players are town, but I do think scum roles can still be used to clear town.

What are they gonna do?

Fake a guilty?

lol

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It was a joke mastin, he just finished playing a game I modded where there was a scum messenger that looked like an amnesiac cop

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The only way town should back off an A50 lynch today is if the MOD says I would receive a NO RESULT only if I'm messed with by another PR or if, for some reason, the way he works follower is different than my understanding of how it works.

What about A50 being blocked?

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"I royally fucked up my claim but A50 is scum no matter what so it doesn't matter"

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If this was town v town, A50 would habe been lynched already

Why?

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NM, what happens when I flip town? Nvm, it'll just be OMGUS bullshit.

That's a bridge I'll cross if it come to it (it won't)

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If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bicycle

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That's not the situation at hand and you know it

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I don't believe A50's claim, but I still think it's kthnx/mastina/Math

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He probably has some weird plan

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Do tell because to my recollection you never got over half way to the lynch.

He's at 4 votes right now

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I don't believe A50's claim, but I still think it's kthnx/mastina/Math

......do you even read what you write?

Yes

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I actually can't wait for acryon to flip town

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NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

ISO

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NM: what are your cases on me/mastina/math?

ISO

yeah, your ISO doesn't have any cases, just bullshit one liners. Do you know what a case is and how to go about building one?

Just because I don't post conventional style cases doesn't say anything about the quality of the argument, you're not gonna get away with attacking my posting style in this playerlist.

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VOTE: Carrot

If kthnxbye isn't happening today

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You're not conftown, you're not even town

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acryon used his role poorly
kthnxbye messed up a claim

They're not the same at all

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Why is he town?

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What does A50's claim change about kthnxbye and how he handled the claim? Just because his result lines up with A50's claim doesn't change how his jump to A50 making the NK made no sense and how he evaded multiple questions about it.

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Theoretically the lynch pool would include most anyone else, but I always assume 1 scum on each wagon and the 3rd off it.

Ah, so nice and vague as fuck. This is scum people. Even without my PR, this is scum.

Indeed, which is both Mathdino and I's points: it doesn't matter whether you have a real guilty or it's a false guilty. The way Almost50 has reacted to it and his play even prior to the guilty tells you he's scum.

Unfortunately, I've not played with A50. His reaction could very well be as legit as my own fuck-uppery. At this point, how he's played is much less important than if his claim is true. If he is a commuter, he's almost certainly not scum. If commuter is a fake claim, he's obviously scum. The thing that I can't wrap my head around is my result and a scum role that would give me that result that would be powerful enough in a PR madness game.

Shit, along that line of thinking, I'm not sure 1-shot gladiator is powerful enough a scum PR. End game, sure, but only if a No Lynch was not an option. We have proved that he is gladiator (maaaaaybe not one shot) and that his gladiate is ignorable. Not very powerful a scum roll. Shit shit shit, I have to admit NM might be right about something this game.

UNVOTE:

Hmmmmmmm, maybe kthnxbye is town

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mastin even kthnxbye will tell you he didn't answer certain things immediately, I actually have a tentative townread on him now

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Made when obvscum mastina gets away with it because no one wants to read her posts

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Mfw*

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I'm photo man, I'm a motion detector, I set up a camera outside someone's house to see if anyone visits or leaves, no one visited acryon last night and acryon took no action

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He was likely to be targetted by town PRs though, motion detector is an incredibly weak role, results are so vague that outing them is anti-town, I was using it to inform my townreads, since anyone targetting was very likely to be town

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My acryon read isn't role-based, I've been calling him certain town since day 1

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I can only explain after a flip

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A flip from who?

acryon

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No, I'm saying if he flips, then I can explain

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It's not related to his role, you'll understand once I can explain it, until then it's best dropped

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I'm not trolling, I can't explain until after acryon flips for reasons you'll understand if I do end up explaining, but I won't explain before acryon flips, even if I'm lynched, so either lynch me or drop the subject

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Why not just lynch mastin now?

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I just wanna lynch Carrot

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I'll follow the night plan but I'm not moving my vote from carrot

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Is there a claim summary?

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Is IB's a night action?

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Why are we not using it today?

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Can we lynch Carrot twice?

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Can you do a VC Math?

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acryon isn't scum though

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That won't discourage Math

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mastina is scum though

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OK can we lynch carrot now

For The Fact Yes

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If only you had some kind of automatic votecount generator

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Jesus christ mastina

The reason I thought acryon was town was because Mod made up the mechanics surrounding no lynch on the spot, if acryon was scum, mod would have had to have considered the role a lot more, the possibility of traitor didn't occur to me, but it almost certainly makes him unrecruitable

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Scum probably don't know who the traitor is, they may not even have known there is one, jus sayin

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Porque no los dos?

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It's mod wifom that shouldn't be part of the game, it wouldn't have been fair to reveal it

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No movement on mom

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I don't think we need you cleared

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I think you guys are gonna just lynch the opposite of whoever I say to lynch so

VOTE: Beefster

Am I being truthful? BLuffing? Double bluffing? Triple bluffing? Dodecahedral bluffing? WHo can say

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If Beefster is scum he's last scum, might be better to go after someone who can be in a 4 man team, but I also just think that Beefster is scum

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I think there's something set-up wise we're missing, game feels like we have a jigsaw where the pieces don't fit together but we can still make out most of the picture

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ok but compulsive visitor is such a bullshit claim though

also recall that he claimed that many many pages after i suggested that could be his role

all he said originally was "I'm a VT unless tracked"

what the fuck is the point of a compulsive visitor in a setup where the only role that could possibly interact with him is follower

VOTE: Bujaber

Trolling purposes

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meh VOTE: BuJaber

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Freudian slip guys start the train

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Or Beefster is scum

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ascetic or something

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Yup

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Post the plan again so it's less effort for me pls

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Maybe it's Beefster and kthnx

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You know what they say about assumptions, no one visited Math, but Math did act last night

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I was reaction testing, I still have some lingering paranoia over Math because a) he's still alive b) his usual policy lynch diatribe at the start of the game was so half-hearted. I was trying to see if I could catch him in a lie, confirm no motion on Math

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It's probably just Beef? I still feel like we're missing some crucial aspect of the set-up, but I don't know what it is so I'm liable to just sheep Math

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Beefster feels too easy but it also feels like the only viable possibility

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Did worst claim yet?

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There almost 0 chance of there being 3 roleblockers

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2 of Beef, Mom and worst

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So who else does he mention in a similar way?

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ascetic

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inb4 someone else says it

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I think I hate literally all MU terms

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I only understood about half of those

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Yeah I don't understand the purpose of this either

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He reached an epiphany via the morphogenetic field

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Yeah I'm not scum and I still think there's something about the set-up we don't know

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No explanation is sticking for a reason

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@Mod VC please

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Still not me

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Because I'm not confident in any read and it's potential/likely mylo

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Lol this game, inb4 IB is a weak proof godfather

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If you insist

VOTE: Beefster

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What's the night plan?

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It was, the only reason we won is because of the confusion the factional strongman caused. I think my fakeclaim was pretty good though. GG town and thanks Gamma for modding.

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mastina had my role pegged bob on and I'm surprised no one revisited it

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Dead thread?

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I love you too

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Ty Math scum mvp