Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[mastina]

Phoneposting, will quote from hydra when able to.

From what I can gather, Paradox PROBABLY hid behind one of {acryon, Mathdino, Iconeum}, loosely least to most likely. (Math and acryon could be switched.)

It's unfortunately most likely that he his behind the night kill, and while his hider role crumb is clear, his hider TARGET isn't; I only have this as a guess off of some posts I can quote when home.

Reminder: scum have no role blocker, so that was a strongman kill. (Technically speaking, could be Math as scum simply lying, but that'd be a fine way to ensure that he got lynched.)

Will talk more when home from work, and cast the acryon vote I want to do right now but can't since am on wrong account.

[mastina]

Also,

MOD: do we get to know role details?
I.e., if the hider dies when hiding behind scum, behind the night kill, the JOAT powers, etc.?

[mastina]

Btw it's possible Assembler siteflaked; if so, would just play on my main, but I am still giving him time to see stuff.

Also, figured I'd ask:
MOD: If hider A hid behind Bodyguard B, who protected scum nightkill C, would the hider die?
If so, assume same as above, only scum strongman kill C. Would hider A still die?

[mastina]

Brafin:

cAn someone remind me how we know ther is not roleblocker but there is a strongman?

Because I say so.

My role 100% GUARANTEES they have no roleblocker. Mathdino claims that he did in fact protect Iconeum. He wasn't role blocked as per my guarantee, leaving two options:
Mathdino is scum who lied, killed who he said that he'd protect, knowing full good and well how sketchy that'd appear …
…OR, far more likely, it was just a strong man, which makes sense with multiple protectives.

[mastina]

And yes.
I am both a protective,
Yet also know thanks to my role scum have no roleblocker.
When you see my role, it'll all make sense how I know that.

[mastina]

This was insanely scumsided.

It was indeed, but still.
Have you heard my philosophy, "Play > role"?

Now WHAT did you say about Not_Mafia's PLAY this game?

...There's a damn good reason I have that philosophy.

[mastina]

mastina had my role pegged bob on and I'm surprised no one revisited it

I often do. I know my setups, it's kinda my thing. I did make a mistake tho.

Gamma as explicitly as he could circa D2 warned me that there was a VERY strong possibility the game featured a mafia roleblocker--I knew this, but never shared it; I was afraid that had I shared this mod communication, it would have led to a Beefster mislynch D2.

[mastina]

(Which I realize is ironic--I believe the appropriate expression is, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"; me NOT sharing that probably ironically was a direct contributing factor leading to it happening. So. I take full responsibility for not sharing it.)

[mastina]

Edit: Mastina also had strong scumreads on Marangal/Beefster, so that NK was NAI.

I never strongly scumread Beefster? He wasn't as strongly town as I wanted him to be, but I only had two wrong reads and you were the other.

Though--not sure if the mod's made the dead thread public yet but when he does, I admit my faults in there. I made what can be basically broken down into

three

critical misplays, plus

one

circumstantial thing dragging me down (always being behind), totaling

four

things which made me be...well, less than I needed to be.

That having been said.

Yes, the kill was NAI, because there were half a dozen reasons I'd die. I was conftown. Because I wasn't caught up, it was ambiguous if I followed the plan or not. (I did.) There were many reasons I could have died, so you are correct. It wasn't alignment indicative.

But that being said, when scum have a hand in my death.
Fuck yes you should be reviewing my content, there's probably a damn good reason for it.

[mastina]

Didn’t follow after a certain point but I think town played really bad early on and was outmatched skill wise.

In a word?

No.

[mastina]

the worst: well played with the weak cop claim. You had us thoroughly fooled.

He also breadcrumbed really well--I thought he was a weak neighborizer, but I totally picked up on him intending to be a weak SOMETHING. Was quite blindsided when I read the spoiler in the dead thread.

To be honest I wouldn't be so salty if we lost in 4p mylo to the worst; he'd have earned it.
Losing in 6p mylo with Not_Mafia still alive is what I'm miffed about.

[mastina]

Mastina you were amazing. Every time you caught up after day 1 I was worried you'd just suddenly flip the entire game on its head.

For every Almost50, acryon, and Not_Mafia, there is a Mathdino and Momrangal. You should keep that in mind. I did play well, sure, yeah. But I did have my shortcomings this game.

[mastina]

Mastina I agreed with you on that until Beefster decided to vote Marangal, then me, then himself
IB wasn't present and Beefster basically gave up

How I'd handle it--If scum are the last scum alive and give up they will literally claim scum and give up. Failing that, giving up is EITHER:
-Faked (thus, scum), OR:
-Genuine, thus, town.

Beefster's giving up was not claiming scum; Beefster's giving up was demonstrably not faked; given this, Beefster town.

[mastina]

Check the Scum PT.

As far as I know, it's not public yet.

[mastina]

FTR, I went into N1 thinking MASTINA might be our traitor!

To be fair.

Not a hard assumption to make. I was breadcrumbing a ton of things including that I quite literally had a scum role; a JOAT with a roleblock and rolecop screams scum pretty well.

[mastina]

this may be the first time I’ve ever said this on mafiascum, but this was legitimately scumsided

Oh my god that says something.