Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

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Ego

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HYDRA SLIP

I wanna vote dino cuz I'm town and if I'm town then he's scum

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Alllssoooo

Real talk I am already not a fan of acronym.

That slot can legit get lynched

Pedit: we did!!
But we runnled each other to death. It was an open game once upon a time

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What's with the town read on acronyn tho, meta?

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Ohmaigod

Ok

That dino v infernodra was a head ache to read


FYI

I think the latter is just... Very green and misunderstood the term. TvT

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Dino, talk to me

How likely is that vote placed out of frustration vs it being placed because of actual opportunistic behavior?

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You're acting pretty scummy right now.

Dino doesn't like RVS so why would he draw it out?

And if he was how is pushing s convo and saying I think you're being intentionally scummy continuing it?

Also I also don't really see the Shade and reason to get so self conscious. He never once said you were scum or likely to be and it is in fact general knowledge that scummy =/= scum driven

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Wrong game

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>>> delete that plz not sure where that came from

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VOTE: Bujaber

This is a serious vote, and I think this slot should actually get lynched. It feels like he's decided to just piggy back on the hottest topic atm. Possibly to look like he's being active?

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Mmmm maybe, I guess time will tell acronyn.

Also, Buju you may have started the wagon but that doesn't mean the reasoning for them being scum is entirely yours to begin with, and it doesn't mean that you aren't trying to push a slot because of what someone else had started with them nor does it mean that you aren't using the drama to hopefully fuel the wagon

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Mmmmmmmm....

Idk how to respond to the fact that I'm syncing with what Sun is saying

With all my experiences with hydrae though, I'm not sure the lock-stepping with partner is NAI largely, and I would have to see more coming out of it butttt

Now that I am thinking on it, scum hydrae are Iess likely to have hydra-diss

Also regarding that slot, Dino I can see why you see the opportunism there but I'm not sure I agree with your theory of scum being scared of making the first vote on their own scum-read but from the outside it looks like a pride Battle of sorts and I'm pretty sure IB knows he's fallacious and I don't think its unlikely both heads wanting to back each other up seems more like town-hydra move

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urband ... m&amp=true

Mom

The woman who loves you unconditionally from birth, the one who puts her kids before herself and the one who you can always count on above everyone else.

Just telling her your problems makes you feel better because mom's always know how to make it all go away.

Even if you fight, know that she's just looking out for your best interests.
Where would you be without your mom?

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Tbh, I'm nervous to go after Marangal so soon because if we open that floodgate now it's never gonna close. Our playstyles don't mesh so well. I should be able to sort her by associations later on though.

Is that why you are more or less limiting your interaction with me?

What are you making of the IB wagon building within the day?

What are you making of the fact that I feel pretty lock-steppy with you?

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Buju also said there are to many lurkers.

How can there have been when this game is only two days old if even?

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When did you ever advocate for PLs?

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If forcing direct interactions with me and attempting to make people think is active lurking then yes!
I absolutely am doing so.


But hey!

That's the furthest from active lurking and he's low key trying to discredit me instead of trying directly engaging me.

There is no reason for scum to be doing that

Not to mention that Omgus that he's trying to keep on the down low

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I can put some merit in that paradox read but I can also see town reasons for it.

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Another thing!

Buju is entirely just being reactive and not proactive.

Take with that what you will

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How is Buju any more or less low hanging fruit than IB?

Also my questions to dino was meant to specifically meant to help me get a handle on him as well as to pull him out of a run me and get him to think about the game logically like I know how he can do.

If he's town, it'll help him make better more informed reads and if he's scum he's forced to not ignore me because if he's scum he knows that I not gonna leave him alone until I am satisfied.

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And instead of playing white knight, why don't you let the issue between me and Buju stay between me and Buju.

Answering his questions for him is getting him off the hook and is preventing me from forming a better read on that slot

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If forcing direct interactions with me and attempting to make people think is active lurking then yes!
I absolutely am doing so.


But hey!

That's the furthest from active lurking and he's low key trying to discredit me instead of trying directly engaging me.

There is no reason for scum to be doing that

Not to mention that Omgus that he's trying to keep on the down low

To be clear, it has more to do with

what

questions you're asking and not so much

that

you're asking questions. Asking questions can be a good thing, but I don't really see how your questions are going to move the game forward.

Pretty sure you just came to his defense there

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OOh

God, I need to get my players situated. I attributed some of your posts to Buju

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P-edit: I agree that Beefster is somewhat white knighty, but I can't tell if that's just playstyle or not.

I recant the statement. I thought the active lurking comment came from Buju

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@all: Who has played with the worst before? I need a sounding board to read him better.

Okay right now I'm feeling IB, mom, one of {sing, LUV, kthx, whoever marshy is supposed to be, alban} as scum.

The worst, acryon, beef are null.

Math, icon, paradox town.

Reasons for IB mentioned before, reasons for mom is because he seems to be coming in with theories first then reading and if I'm honest with myself I didn't like how he accused me. The rest because statistics - too many lurkers - and I didn't want to put them in null list because null list for me is for later analysis as those 3 people seem hard to read and I need more. I want to try and sort the scumlist as soon as possible.

I think that's everyone.

@kthx - sorry to hear that. I wish you and your family strength and patience.

The game opened up on the 21st at 11:25 AM.

Hello! It is I, InfernoBrafin, that incredible merging of an Inferno390 and a James Brafin!
VOTE: LUV

First post of the game.

Yes there is a lot to react to and calling out lurkers now now would be an ok think to maybe do but the game had just gotten out of RVS and there was like one maybe two things to react to.

Why is it insane to believe that there are 5 people who hadn't posted in a >48 hr time frame

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Ugh no time stamps.

First quote was on the 23 at 4:39 AM

Second quote, first post in the game was on the 21st 11:25 AM

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Yes there is a lot to react to and calling out lurkers now now would be an ok think to maybe do but the game had just gotten out of RVS and there was like one maybe two things to react to.

Why is it insane to believe that there are 5 people who hadn't posted in a >48 hr time frame

So me calling out people for not posting is wrong, but it's perfectly fine for people to say I'm not doing anything useful?

I see

Pot calling the kettle black.

IB of course completely ignored half of my case on them even when they asked me about it and I explained it again. I don't know what I want more. For you to be town and realize that you don't have a clue how to play with fellow townies or for you to be scum so at least it makes sense what you're doing.


Can we lynch either IB or Mom? scum have nobody to go after so they're focusing on me. They know they can't go after someone else. I had an early wagon on me and nobody is townreading me strongly so I'm a good scum target.

Frigging hilarious this. I get called out for not scumhunting in the only game where I am clearly the one doing most of the work. You guys realize post count is not an indication of how much a player is contributing right?

It kinda makes sense to soft-defend lurkers if you are scumpartners with one or more of them.
SO I'm pretty confident there are 2 scum in {IB, Mom, NM, LUV, Sing, acryon, (and paradox though less likely since I'm TR'ing him at the moment)}

If there is a 3rd scum that would be pretty difficult to figure out but if that were the case I'd have to reconsider all my townreads. Though a 3rd scum probably isn't likely because it seems risky to defend a lurking scum partner if you have another one also in the game. Unless of course the game is as easy as it seems and both IB and mom are scum, that leaves one of the lurkers as their final partner. At least that theory would explain why they haven't gone after each other or disagreed. IB agree that mom is confusing, and that asking questions could be scummy but they low-key defend mom early on.

Can one of you just bus the other one so it's easier?

Deflecting
Scummy AoE
Not taking into consideration relation of posts to the comments
Misrepresenting what people said. (

I

being reactive is not active lurking/not doing anything)
Not answering question
Calling else some one scummy for not answering their question (not in this post but the next)

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Points to anyone who just saw what I saw!

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Its pretty much a ridiculous thing to say i don't know how to play with other townies when my job is to determine who isbamd isn't town.

Also it's more about me pushing him than getting along with tosn

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Though I'm not sure how to take him naming half the list as scum only saying there is two and needing to reevaluate his town reads

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@IB

I don't see where Dino act like others calling him scummy meant he was scum?

Pedit:
Appealing to Emotion

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MASTIIIINNNNN

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How about we just bus each other like was suggested and get town cred off of that, IB?

Seriously though, I missed where Dino took "scummy" veered towards his direction as meaning scum-motivated

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Answer me this question though, because I think it's a good one, Why is being reactive even AI? Why wouldn't a townie also play reactively?

I'll indulge on this, actually.

Being reactive to what's going on around you makes it super easy to look like you are doing something without actually doing something.

When people are playing reactively, the two most likely scenarios are they are being targeted by a person and they want to fight back or get them off their back and two

They aren't scum or town hunting and just looking for things to latch on to so that it looks like you're doing something productive in a game.

It shouldn't be to hard to figure out why its more likely a scum driven move based off these two scenarios.


ALSO

I am as calm and cool as a cucumber stuck in a freezer

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IB I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU

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Paradox to me reads as pulling strings and trolling for the lulz and recactions

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Hmm.

Ok.

When A50 comes around I want to have a three way convo about Buju. I don't think buju, if scum wouldn't blatantly call to a scum buddy like that in thread.

I am interested in what A50 would have to say though

Pedit: you already answered it never mind

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And on a note of irrelevance I'm really loving my new name

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But I am town!

Why is Buju town and what do you make of me having two followers on Buju?

Also how do you feel about how Buju engages me back?

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I missed his first post and thought bujus second post was his first and made my push based off that.

Now he's less piggy backy but I still feel odd about that big post.

I don't like that it took him a second time to just straight up say "yes people should have more posts after 48 hrs" and his first reaction was to just Shade me and fluff himself up.

The whole "I'm important and I'm being productive" is an argument I feel is more scum and admittedly something I feel like I do more of as scum.

As far as his reactivity goes, I am not a fan that he brought up the fact that he made a read list.

Granted it was more well thought out than the usual but still jus t that and his first post are his two most notable contributions.

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This is going real fast gosh

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No?

I mean he was being defensive which was the point I was trying to make and really I didn't see a reason for him to feel as such as town.

In that huge post of mostly AtE he really did nothing but try to call me a noobtown who was playing against the town better interest.

He straight up said I was either scum or playing against towns win on and didn't know how to play well with town, even though I have showed the desire to sort out at least one other person as well as work with them

I don't see a reason to shade a person like that as town

I definitely don't like how he plays the victim afterward. I don't like how he's went from trying to fight me to trying to appease me when it looked like the fight was going to go against his favod

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Like, I isoed both him and beef to make sure I was attributing posts to the right person when I realized it the first time around and was about ready to admit a few mistakes but that turnaround is jarring

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Ms Marangal

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I am pretty certain IB is town.

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BuJaber's methodology is such that he is not one making friends; everything he does is antagonizing people.

What. The fuck. Are you reading?

Outside of his first post and his pushes back on me and his pushes on IB he's very much a cheerleader

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Well, I guess not a cheerleader but he's like...

Not what you said.

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But I am town!

Why is Buju town and what do you make of me having two followers on Buju?

Also how do you feel about how Buju engages me back?

Inferno:

So far, this is what stuck out. I'm having a hard time sorting the last few pages, so I'm probably going to reread... and reread... and reread.
I just want to point out that this is a really weird way to phrase this question. It looks like scum laying a trap.

Also, I would also like to know why all these people are calling this slot obvtown, becasue I can tell where the scumreads on me are coming from. So I don't understand what part of my play is making me obvtown.

This is less laying a trap and see how much attention she's really paying in her catch up.

Mastin can easily get stuck in her thoughts and mindset as much as I can and the fact that she's missed the facts that

Her associatives are off. I started the game off trying to pull dino towards me despite his continued desire of avoidance. There is no distancing at all, at least where I stand on the dino slot

She also failed to realize that only one of those who is backing me on Buju is in her town reads. The other is my supposed scum buddy.

I also want to see where she stands on Bujus interaction back to me because I am not gonna see my targets as objectively as I would want and her opinions have merit

The fact that two people saw something in that same wall post, and one of those two saw genuineness and

mastin

sees that as well is more than enough to get me to back off for a little moment.

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Ok that's enough with that shit

Pedit: reallt

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Mom if I flip town who would you scumread?

Still trying to figure that one out

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IB you need to take many steps away from Dino and stop arguing something that's just bogging down this game thread. An argument of semantics is not going to get us anywhere and there are 11 other players to look at in this game.

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Please just stop

Both you and Dino should just not... Interact or even think of the other person for a few days


Pedit: no that has not come to my mind at all

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And that question is not odd at all, its pretty much one that's meant to keep a tunneler from continuing their tunnel

Pedit: ok you're entitled to your opinions but they are all opinions. They are all assumptions. Right now its not going to do anything productive and even if dino was pompous enough to think that arguing it isn't going to do any good on revealing his true alignment

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THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO EVER NEED TO THINK THAY

PLEASE JUST STOP

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Both heads.

Leave dino alone. He is rubbing you the wrong way and for things that are not alignment indicative.

Move on to something else


BRAFUN

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IF DINO FLIPPED TOWN WHO WOULD BE SCUM

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MY BABYS SLEEP AND I AM WASTING PRECIOUS TIME TRYING TO MEDIATE THIS.

PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME BECOME LIKE RACHMARIE I DONT WANNA ACTUALLY BECOME MAFIAMOM

Hey you took the name lol

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Talk about someone else, who else is grabbing your interest?


Pedit: mmm talk to me more about beef

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I assume you're referring to me, BuJ.

Frantic? I'm always frantic, especially as town. It's when I'm not frantic that you have to watch out for me. Or stated differently, when it looks like I have a plan, I'm probably scum. But eh. Self meta defense. Do what you will with it. I only have 2 recent completed scum games for you to go on anyway.

Nervous? Nah.

I think this little bit of self meta interests me.

Its odd that he says that because... Isoing him he seems pretty... Calm

At the same time I kinda feel like dropping this unwarranted is more of s town move and it does seem he has a level of self awareness to himself so Idk how believable i would find him actually dropping this as scum knowing he is playing like this

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PLEASE

PLEASE

TALK TO ME

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Please do what I asked and allow yourself some time to reset on his slot

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Another thing about beefster is the fact that he is suspicious of me and iconeum because we are going after low hanging fruit yet he himself is going after your slot whole your slot is under dire while both low hanging fruits were not

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VOTE: beefster

I think I wanna see where this goes

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I've isoed his slot and I am getting a lot of mixed signals. I don't really agree with point 1 as being alignment indicative but and him still reading based on gut probably means he might not actually be hunting and just looking like he is.

I'm not entirely sure about the soft defense on Buju aside from the slight chainsaw on me when I decide to push him and I do agree with him just skirting issues when brought up

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oh god i'm starting to actually townread marangal

fuck does this actually mean she's scum

imma just go remind myself she's capable of this as scum and stick to not locking a read on her until later

Gonna just point out that in our first game you pretty much had a lock on me when others didn't and hand-waved you away

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What?

Were talking about how beefs pretty much going off gut still not you.

Remind me about your read on beef again?

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I know ktnx just had to burry his mom but all my reads are muddy and idk if its rust or something is happening where someone is somehow playing to my expectations but I am not confidently forming reads.

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Also ktnx needs to be prodded or replaced. I know he just lost his mom and I feel bad about poking him but...

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New slots of interest include Acrayon. So far he feels IIOA and not actually being productive.

Also paradox

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Mastins gonna have to keep scum-reading me for Buju because i still can't seem to get over him. I can still see her saying that he's antagonistic against those who he scum read but its still pretty defensive seeming. He really only pushed back because I pushed first

And through out the whole battle he did try to placate me in the end

It just Doesn't sit Right.

I will gladly bus both my partners though to get her to town read me!

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I'm slowly getting around to MD but I am not sure how much of that is BOP and the lack of expectation of how I see his play.

Looking over Mastins case a lot of it is BOP but the point of setting a plan in the long run is something I can get behind.

I don't understand where she is seeing the associative between dino and Acrayon

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If Buju is town I would look at Dino, Acrayon and beefster.

I want to tentatively call paradox town for now because of how he opened. Based off what dino said I don't actually think he would open with that because he knows that would automatically put him on his radar.

If scum is gonna play to a townies expectation it would be played so that they town read him

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urband ... m&amp=true

Mom

The woman who loves you unconditionally from birth, the one who puts her kids before herself and the one who you can always count on above everyone else.

Just telling her your problems makes you feel better because mom's always know how to make it all go away.

Even if you fight, know that she's just looking out for your best interests.
Where would you be without your mom?

Also gonna re post this

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Apparently, "for now" only meant about 5 minutes.

Your play seems reminiscient of Scum!CultOfAthena, but with less words. Not that it matters a whole lot. This is more of a casual observation.

141 looks like she's going after low-hanging fruit. It looks very opportunistic.

239 looks like deflecting.

241 looks like throwing shade without actually trying to make a good case.

VOTE: Momrangal

This is beefs case on me and all his cases are pushed against low hanging fruit when he is going after IB

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Mmm....

Acrayon is the odd one out in my tentative team. I still think his earlier posts are IIOA but his most recent posts are better. I can still see what he's thinking but I don't think he's really engaging with anyone still.

Acrayon is the one I want to least likely vote but I would push my support towards Dino

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And yes Buju has been antagonistic towards me but I still think his read on me is a low key omgus he's trying to actually make seem like is a scum read.

I see that far more coming from scum than town because scum are scared to be seen omgussing someone.

I liked that he called me out of the tunnel to focus on other people but after that big post he stopped being antagonistic and was all like

"Look I hate you and you hate me let's just have a truce for now so we can find other scum"

And also said "you have to be tunneling me because you're seeing everything I say as scummy and you need to do a reset because nobody can do be 100% scummy"

And both statements to me means he's acknowledging that I am town but he is still holding a scum read on me

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My Buj SR is dying

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VOTE: Acrayon

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Wakes up

Sees a few pages

Sees a Gladiate

Is now leaving.

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And I'm not gonna do a damn thing until we get an answer

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Clarity. W/e

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I don't think I would mind a mislynch.

I don't understand worsts? Notion that both slots were largely town read. Sure both slots were unlikely to get lynched today but both slots were far from being largely townread

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Mislynch should be Nolynch

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And I'm not gonna do a damn thing until we get an answer

And thus you do nothing at a time where town absolutely would be doing something.

Ok.

Lynch me tomorrow then

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Mom could you quote my post which confused you? I might have derped on terminology maybe but I think we're on a different page

I am not sure if it was you but somebody said that both math and Icon were being largely town read but I don't see that as the case at all

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VOTE: No lynch

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Mmmm...

So far the fights were

Me/Buj
Math/mastin
Math/IB

ico only got into a fight because of Crayon and Crayon gladiators because he was being ran up.

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I'll be honest I really lost the desire to play and just really want to wait till D2 because I hate having my voting freedom being took away from me.

If i did decide to choose between Ico and Dino I would be leaning Ico because of his early confidence that he wasn't going to get lynched over Dino.

Until he had gotten gladiated he was a non-presence in this game so I do not understand how he would have been a powerful player later on

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Mastgina

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Why didn't you make note of reads similarities to me? As town, you would know my scumread on you would be wrong...and you would attempt a reach-out to me. You would try to get me to work with you.

And as scum I'm just gonna keep on letting you push me knowing that eventually you'll get me lynched.

You're not someone a person can work with while you are scum reading them. I am not going to dissuade your read on me knowing that time will do that on its own. There is nothing productive that will come out doing that.

Also, yes I'm leaning towards lynching Ico. His confidence in not getting lynched and the getting all the votes and his reaction to it did not sit well with me.

I also think that, if there was a OMGUS factor of Acrayon scum putting another buddy in the pits with town, the buddy would be Ico.

I mean, at that point you were hammering at Dino and every one knows that you can singlehandedly strongman a lynch. He needed to redirect it and hey, if the buddy did get lynched its instant town cred. I don't think that's the case here and I still hate the fact that I got my vote choices limited and I honestly have zero desire to focus on just two players and leave every one else up in the air.


Also I am not commenting on the similarity because my individual scum-reads aren't working well together and hey if you're wrong about me who knows who else you could be wrong about

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Pedit: oh hey a hammer

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This is fun and all, but I think we should really get the lynch we should have gotten yesterday
VOTE: Acrayon

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I mean was anyone assuming a role other than what she's clearly softing

I'm thinking there may be more to it

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Figure out what?

Paradox hid behind Ico, scum shot Ico and somehow overrode MDs supposed protection.

Even though Mastina says otherwise, I don't think what she's softing can't coexist with RB, especially a scum RB.

It makes sense to not only have a strong man, but a RB as well as some other things to deal with Town PRs

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And if for whatever reason Acrayon is town, it still wouldn't make Dino scum because he would be too accountable for Ico being dead.

If he was scum it would have been a smarter move to shoot elsewhere

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Though I can agree on wanting everyone to weigh in.

I'm curious to how Dino came up with his "this is townfolk that are imploding" list.

He has IB off that list, as well as myself when I feel like I specifically aided in pushing IB out of his implosion and move his direction elsewhere.

I'm also curious to why he has Acrayon inside his town implosion list as well all things considered because well... He caused part of the implosion. There's no way we could have fussed what would have happened when we had gotten him funneled like that

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@mod can we have a current player list with who replaced who?

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Pedit: ok, fine

[Momrangal]

Your actions don't speak of town who know I'll come around because you've made no effort there to reach out to me someone who you probably consider a friend (I know I certainly call you among mine at the very least).

Didn't you get something last night?

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I disagree on that. The use of the gladiator seemed pretty survivalistic, at least in the short term. That isn't something that I can see from town

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Pedit: that was to A50

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VOTE: Carrot and stick

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Last night you should have gotten something, and you're ignoring it. Something that substantial proof that I'm not scum

Pedit: no

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Town doesn't have a reason to want to survive, tactically. Scum do.

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Your actions don't speak of town who know I'll come around because you've made no effort there to reach out to me someone who you probably consider a friend (I know I certainly call you among mine at the very least).

Didn't you get something last night?

Nope! Just the Go Post message.

You are either lying or I was somehow blocked.

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You were the only person who was scum reading me, which is why I sent it to you explicitly.

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And that's exactly why I think you're lying because there's no reason for me to have been blocked even if there was a scum RB, not with two claimed protectives.

[Momrangal]

I am a messenger and I can send messages to up to three people. Last night I sent a message to Mastina stating that I was town.

Mod confirmed target and that the message was Ok.

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She and I both agree that I was unlikely blocked.

So why else would she have not gotten the message?

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I can send messages up to three people per night

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The plan was to send it to mastina tonight, and send one to one other person tomorrow stating, that I'm town and if I was still alive then Mastina was scum.

Sending it to only one person last night, and one more each consecutive night I could eventually build a list of confirmed town because if scum got it, then I'm gonna be clearly dead due to the perceived IC messenger role that they wouldn't want to keep alive

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A50, mastinas scum

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I had my suspicions last night but the way she's continually trying to hedgehorn my claim and usage as it as scum without thinking logically why, if I was trying to look town with my claim, and 'desire to look like a friendly neighbor" (not that she's wrong about) as being scum oriented while dismissing the fact that I am grossly overstepping that town read by explicitly claiming that I can send it too three.

Also if I simply wanted to look like a friendly neighbor then I would have just claimed so

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As far as yesterday goes, she explicitly keeps stating that I'm ignoring her, and that I'm scum for that but she also overlooks the facts that, when she asked to do things for "town cred" I continually kept on doing it.

Not only that, I was overly cheeky on bussing my supposedly scum buddies she ignored it, as did every one else, but more importantly she should have been paranoid about that

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Also it isn't unheard of Town being a backup of a scum role. I've played in a game where that was the case which was another role madness game, though it was large its still proof that it isn't a stretch

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The point is, if I sent a message to scum they would think that was a friendly neighbor because of the content of the message.

In that light, they would not keep me alive because the don't want me continually sending friendly neighbor messages to actual town folks and eventually becoming an IC one way or another.

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I don't recall friendly neighbor even bring a thing when I was around.

The "mason gambit" was barely even prevalent when I left

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Not only are you trying to hedgehorn my words into something that is scum oriented, you're also doing it to A50 And you were doing it to Dino all of yesterday.

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Further more, you were WK'ing Buj albiet in a more subtle manner

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Shoehorn, force some thing to fit ect

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You weren't trying to work with me. You were trying to placate me. You weren't trying to collaborate with me.

Yes. All of the above.

All of these things I would have done if I were scum because I hate having people on my back.

Every person I hydra with knows this because every person I hydra with does the 1v1 primarily especially when they are better at doing it then I am

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I can't aim to claim a role when I forgot the role that I was thinking of had an actual nams

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The plan was to send it to mastina tonight, and send one to one other person tomorrow stating, that I'm town and if I was still alive then Mastina was scum.

Sending it to only one person last night, and one more each consecutive night I could eventually build a list of confirmed town because if scum got it, then I'm gonna be clearly dead due to the perceived IC messenger role that they wouldn't want to keep alive

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Yeah and I come into today stating that you're lying because I k me I couldn't have been roleblockrd.

Oh! And voting you does a great job at doing that as well!

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And you're gonna do nothing but push me, and when I flip town, you're gonna go "whoops" but you aren't going to reevaluate you're reads like you would if you are town

Because you aren't.

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And one thing that was horribly missed. Even if I was scum who was planning on fakeclaimjnf FN, and decided to just go with my actual role. I could have still omitted that three per night clause

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Or, when NM suggested three shot I could have said that as well

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We need what? 6?

We already have 3, with A50 its 4. Mastin will be at L-2.

Still think she (they?) won't happen today?

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But A50, there's nothing stopping us from bussinf!

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Lolhai

Shit happened.

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There's a little thing called "bussing".

Or really, distancing, even, considering that scum knowing acryon has a gladiate know that he's never in danger of being lynched.

Lolol how did I know you were going to say that

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But I've been one of Her targeted mislynchws since yesterday

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Yeah sure, I was Jailkept and you aren't lying about not receiving my message but that is not over half the case

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You still need to explain how IB isn't on there and why Acrayon is

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I had my suspicions last night but the way she's continually trying to hedgehorn my claim and usage as it as scum without thinking logically why, if I was trying to look town with my claim, and 'desire to look like a friendly neighbor" (not that she's wrong about) as being scum oriented while dismissing the fact that I am grossly overstepping that town read by explicitly claiming that I can send it too three.

Also if I simply wanted to look like a friendly neighbor then I would have just claimed so

As far as yesterday goes, she explicitly keeps stating that I'm ignoring her, and that I'm scum for that but she also overlooks the facts that, when she asked to do things for "town cred" I continually kept on doing it.

Not only that, I was overly cheeky on bussing my supposedly scum buddies she ignored it, as did every one else, but more importantly she should have been paranoid about that

Also it isn't unheard of Town being a backup of a scum role. I've played in a game where that was the case which was another role madness game, though it was large its still proof that it isn't a stretch

Not only are you trying to hedgehorn my words into something that is scum oriented, you're also doing it to A50 And you were doing it to Dino all of yesterday.

Pedit: what? I made IB back off and focus elsewhere. He wasn't going to do it all on his lonesome

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Oh ok so you must be town because of flavor

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Like, honestly. The three things that "caused chaos" was OVa tunnel on you, you trying to push mastin off of you when she was trying to pin whatever reasons she could to you being scum and Acrayon using his Gladiator in a rather survivalistic way when he was being ran up.

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It matters because if you're gonna write all of them up as town for causing/focusing it then you can't just town read Mastina because of that. You can't ignore the fact that Mastina is not actually thinking about the probability of scum of her bottom three. You can't ignore the fact that she is twisting every thing around and you can't ignore the fact that not one but three people have said that she's putting words in peoples mouth

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Just because Apple kid is around doesn't mean apple kid is town

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"Slot must be scum because town would never do what she just did"

Is essentially your argument against me. That's all you have to push against me and you know that is a wrong argument to make because just because you would play a certain role one way as town doesn't mean another person wouldn't.

You have also completely ignored my reasoning where I admit that that is what I was doing and why.
Saying town would never try to pretend to be another role

to fool mafia into thinking they have a role that is stronger then what they currently have

his something that never happens

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Mastina used the RC on dino

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I'm pretty sure.

Otherwise, her saying she had a gunsmith guilty on Dino makes no sense

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Oh let's also not forget that I'm trying to Placate you by outright attacking you and doing the exact thing that I hate doing as scum

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carrot/kthnxbye/?

The third could actually by acryon,

especially

if C&S flips scum. She had every opportunity to fully bus him today, but did not, instead going after conftown Momrangal.

the worst is also plausible from my POE.

No, mastina is going after crayon hard and Mastina doesn't bus

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Or was, at least yesterday

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Guys.

Mastina is calling me scum. She is explaining why, but she won't lynch me.

She won't even vote me even though I challenged her twice.

If I'm scum then it shouldn't matter which of her reads she votes and pushes to a lynch

But not getting Crayon lynched today messes stuff up for her so

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(Kthnx/IB/carrot&sticks)

Calling that out as the scum team now

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@all: pls consider today's lynch from here on a gladiate between myself and almost

VOTE: Kthnx

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I'm not, in any universe, going to go after A50 here.

He's town

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In point of fact, one of the reasons you're scum IS that it's only half the playerlist. If you were town then the scum would want to lynch you and town would also want to lynch you; because you're scum, scum are going out of their way to avoid lynching you and you have given enough hesitance to enough town players that the town can't lynch scum-Almost50 easily given they lack bussers to accomplish the feat

How does this not apply to you?

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Half the player base is scum reading you
A few are town reading you

And the rest are refusing to take a stance on you in any way, shape or form.

Further more, you are pushing the fact that A50 is hiding information and refusing to claim and IF HE WERE SCUM WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST FAKE CLAIM RIGHT THEN AND THERE

You also pushing him as hiding info as scum-motivated as aspect because I KNOW that he's the kind of person to do that.

He's a heavy gambitter. To be such a person you need to keep cards close to your chest, and not reveal info until YOU are ready. The person who is performing the gambit, not the rest of the town.

I know that about him and I only have this game and (redacted) so why don't you know this stuff about his play? Why don't you know that this is what he does as both scum and town and just pushing it as this what he does as scum and only scum

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Also, mastina has the gall to call out people as scum for going after low hanging fruit when that's exactly what N_M is

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VOTE: carrot and stick

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Uh
Uh
Uuuhhhhh....

If A50 doesn't commute he can be targeted

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NM ur a troll

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Ok kool.

Let's all just go back to mastina then

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Ok

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WHAT ABOUT MASTIN CALLING A50 SCUM FOR DOING SOMETHING HE DOES AS BOTH ALIGNMENTS

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And honestly is isn't just A50. She's been doing that all game. To all of her supposed scum reads

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Mathdino is policy lynching.
Mathdino is not being logical.
Mathdino is being emotional

Pedit: BUJI I WAS JAILED NOT MASTINA

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Jailkeepee roleblocks. If I am roleblocked I can't sent a @#!&@ message

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ANYWAY

Me and Mara are not synching Thus she must be scum (we never sync)
Mara is not working with me she must be scum
Maras plan with her role is more convenient as scum and she would never do that as town and thus is scum

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Does she now? Last I recall she takes people's play into consideration

Pedit; not you Mastina

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Oh and my favorite one is that I'm scum because I'm scum reading Buj.

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Can some one who has played for a whole year not know the basic function of a basic role

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Erm

I'm stating the various reasons for mastias scum read on people

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Earliee, though it amounted to IIOA and looking like he was doing something without actually doing something

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I wasn't planning on doing anything tonight anyway.

Also, worst sorry I passed out

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Brafin, LUV is A50 now

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Music to my ears.

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Or it would be but, more than likely, you won't be around tomorrow to help me get that lynch.

I also don't feel good putting my vote on a toan read

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Mmm

Ok, Those aren't bad points

VOTE: A50

L-1

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It has.

I am not great (read terrible) with those kinds of stuff

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The issue I have with crayon is the fact that, if Mastina is scum then he's her designated mislynch. So far, has been pretty anti-town and has been making so many suboptimal choices.

If he's as good as people say he is, then more than likely those stumbles are more likely to come from town him. As scum, I feel like he would be a little bit more careful about stirring the mot after what had just happened yesterday

Pedit: I already said I wasn't planning on doing anything anyway

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I can't believe I'm doing this.

@mod: Request prod on Carrot and Stick.

Marangal/Not_Mafias relative silence since we came up with the night action plan has been deafening.

Marangal, it's also possible that he's faking badness because given the plans set in motion, he can't win.

Mmmm... I wouldn't go so far as faking but I can see what you're saying. Probably the most similar parallel would have been my play where I was a scum lover that I spent way to much time looking for

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VOTE: acryon

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I highly doubt that crayon is scum with mastina.

But if beef is scum then it doesn't really make sense to JK me.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30846

I FOUND THE GAME

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But yeah, I see a parallel with what he's doing here with what I did there

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But you aren't confirmed town

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If everyone made that argument, every lynch would be bad

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I agree with that, but I don't think worst should check who ever N_M motion detects

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Are you willing to lynch A50?
If no, who needs to flip town before you can vote for them?
Are you willing to lynch acryon?
If no, who needs to flip town before you can vote for them?

My vote is on Crayon now. I had a little talk with Dino about A50.

Both are town on condition of a mastin scumflip. I see both as town but I can definitely see the scum cases for both of them. I also agree that dinos plan is a solid plan

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ALL HAIL MASTINA
ALL HAIL MATHDINO
TOWN CHAMPIONS NOW AND FOREVER IM SORRY FOR EVER DOUBTING YOU

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TOWN WITHOUT A DOUBT
Mathdino
Carrot and Stick (mastina and Assemblerotws)
InfernoBrafin

LIKELY TOWN
the worst
Beefster

LEFTOVERS
Not_Mafia
BuJaber
Kthxbye
Almost50

of those four N_M and A50 I guess makes the most sense. Even with the traitor being in existence I am still going to assume three.

N_M though, I can't really see saying "acryon is town and I can't actually explain why" if he was actually his scum bud buuttt...

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Possible but like, I am under the assumption that traitor is informed and the scum team is informed of there being one, but not who it is.

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Ascetic strongman?

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The issue I have with Beef is thus.

Why would he jail me of all people as scum? I wasn't particularly the most involved D1

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Never mind I didn't see that you had already mentioned Asectic.

Still, if A50 is scum I will not see Mastin as scum in any scenarip

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Let me know when I can drop the Hamme

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The issue I have with Beef is thus.

Why would he jail me of all people as scum? I wasn't particularly the most involved D1

Because your D1 posting was weird and you looked scummy. Given the night interactions, I def think you're town now.

mastina could have roleblocked, but given her scumspects, I find that unlikely unless A50 flips town. I can see her bussing a traitor, but not a regular scum partner.

Not_Mafia is probably the third scum if A50 flips scum.

Yes that's my point. I can't parse any scum-motivation from you with that night action

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I think scum lies within his town reads and not his scum reads.

How do you say this and still say one is in BJ/Beefster who is in his scum reads

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I think the last scum (two?) lie in NM, IB and Buj.

I might be being really naive and self absorbed, but I'm still seeing really strong town motivations for Beef JK'ing me

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Ok.

NM and Buj then.

Barring the hammer vote, I intend to move there

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Okay well the jail went through.

VOTE: Beefster
the worst checks Marangal
Marangal holsters
Kthx follows Bujaber
Bujaber visits Kthxbye
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Mathdino protects the worst

We're lynching Beefster by play rather than by mechanics, so I'm good with this. Reasonable argument for no-lynching but that seems nonideal.

What about Beefs play seems particularly pro-scum?

Am I wrong to think that targeting me has next to no scum motives?

VOTE: Bujaber

Also

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A ninja?

With an invest immune?

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Also why is no one answering me?

I'll hammer if I can get a good reason for why scum beef would block/protect town me

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Like you're all acting like this is sudden when I have been had him in my town reads for like, two days for that reason

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Mod already confirmed that scum can't kill and use an ability (I think) and if he was strongman, he has been doing the kills each night. N2, he couldn't have because he targeted me so he isn't strongman for sure

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Replace N2 with N1 but yeah. He is ruled out for strongman