VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Micc]

This game is gunna be sweeeeeet.

[Micc]

Trying to townblock on page 5 feels kinda insane to me.

I read the whole thread but most of it felt pretty meaningless. I'll be back when we can vote.

predit: oh look its mastina. looking forward to finally playing a game with you.

[Micc]

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

[Micc]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

[Micc]

Feeling behind already, but I'm committing to prioritizing this as a replacement to playing mtgo for as long as I'm alive ... so I'll be here after work.

[Micc]

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?

329 was terrible imo. The idea of claiming in order to spur discussion and interaction is gross. Wanting to give a public warning that his ability is ever changing and unpredictable is scum motivated preparation for later and further shows how he’s missing half the utility of the ability. Him showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to assume meaning instead of seeking clarification.

Yeah this is a good wagon. People should join.

[Micc]

Venmar, who do you read as scum in this game?
Other then voting yourself 'for mana gain', you are voting Tibor because the slot went against purposefully lynching townie D1 as a general strategy... Of all things Tibor hydra posted, that's like the one thing I really liked about him.

it shouldn't be the the thing you like about them though, lol. tibor had a knee-jerk scum reaction to the strat chara mentioned and has been fake posting all game so far

Just got to this and besides chuckling at Charas post I’m also agreeing with Venmar on this read.

And fwiw I’ll be trying to lynch scum today not town.

[Micc]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

[Micc]

Not Voting (11):

Iconeum, baku and munna, Creature, Bronya Zaychik, Almost50, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman, Taly, Skybird, Dunnstral, Maid Cafe

Way too many people off wagons. Can I interest anyone in voting for Taly?

[Micc]

@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?

On a metric of scum pings per posts I’d say Taly is leading so that’s why I’m voting there now. And there’s like one vote on the Tibor hydra right now so the wagon size is pretty irrelevant.

If this is you saying you’re up for pressuring here then sure I guess I’m in. I think the reads in the catchup post and the Almost50 vote are kinda loose. The random theory question pointed at me is super ackward and I don’t see it’s purpose at all. They both gave at least partial indication that they thought Chara “lynch town day 1” strategy was serious and I kinda rolled my eyes at that.

[Micc]

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

Because I felt like establishing a common ground because I kinda want to get to know you better.
~Lumia

Is Tibors catchup in 727 representative of Lumias thoughts?

[Micc]

stopping in to say Im not town reading maid café or alisae slot so me giving maid café a vote here is out of the question. Can confirm that making the green voting elemental is my ability and that I didn't make the one in currently in play.

I also skimmed at least 15 of those pages pretty quickly but intend to sit down and organize thoughts after work tonight. I don't get the maid café vote dancing and I want to understand it so if there's an explanation someone please quote it for me.

[Micc]

alisae why is beeboy town?

[Micc]

I would gladly answer this for you but I have 0 interest in working with you!

well that seems unnecessarily obtuse.

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

and this doesn't do anything for me. it being your only stated read besides sheeping beeboy on me just feels like a slap in the face.

I don't know why I thought joining a large where everybody else was buddy buddy with each other was a good idea.

[Micc]

Any significant conclusions you've reached so far?

-Cerb

I moved Chara, Mark, Venmar, you out of my lynch pool pretty early.

MC throws me off because beeboy seems way off playstyle/personality, and I’m not sure if it’s me only seeing him in discussion not actual games.

Alisae looks more town than Taly but I’m weary of the entrance because Town read close friend, sheep their scum read and turn away interaction is a pretty convienent entrance.

I’ve got a huge pile of people to sort still and it starts with catching up on stuff I skimmed.

[Micc]

I was with you until you used an 8 post game to represent sky birds town meta. That just can’t be a good place to pull from right?

[Micc]

My 10 seconds per post skim didn’t pick up a difference between how often she was interacting by asking questions. But I see the stuff from this game and it makes sense to me.

are you explicitly scum reading beeboy? I don’t really like his approach either but I’m having a hard time putting scum motivation to it. And I guess do you have meta thoughts on him. I don’t know why I’m so thrown off by his playstyle here but I’ve never played with him so maybe I just have the wrong expectation.

[Micc]

I don’t get why Alisae is hoarding mana when it should be pretty clear to them that I can just steal it if I want.

UNVOTE: alisae

[Micc]

so you deny the scum read you're not voting mana at the expense of allowing the scum read you are voting to have it?

[Micc]

im just trying to understand your intentions because I still haven't decided how much I trust what you're doing here. but you role's obviously powerful and we aren't lynching it so me voting you is stupid

[Micc]

Sorry I had to replace out of this one. I thought I could maybe handle a large with the flavor being my biggest hobby. Turns out larges still aren’t my thing and the magic flavor didn’t last long anyway. I had the game bookmarked and was loosely following. Sorry to see it get abandoned because it looks like Varsoon put a ton of time into making it.