VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

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ILU Varsoon I'm sorry things kept getting in the way of the game.

Gamma, shooting your own teammate was going to give you a .01% chance of winning. I would have lynched you in LYLO, but not before then, after Chara was able to see that you actually did redirect a kill and didn't just perform one. IDK what everyone else would have done though.

Random, why did you have to be bad?

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Also...I didn't look at the whole setup, but Varsoon: What portion of the town could I have cleared via having them target me and getting beamed if we had used the thing that kept scum from using their mechs?

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@Cerb: It'd only soft-clear people with day actions, since the [BEAM] votes wouldn't be around for the following day phase. You'd only really be able to soft-clear Nancy Drew and Snarky Snowman, as the Guncannons and Hyaku Shiki would disable your Mobile Suit. Even then, this is making the assumption that no player could've put a [BEAM] vote on you during the day, which I really should've given scum the player-based ability to do. Instead, I strapped them with loud pro-town abilities. The idea was that, in this phase, scum would be putting out false positives. Didn't really happen.

*nods*

Yeah, I figured it would be soft-clearing only, but just didn't know the numbers. Only 2 works, since that's a small enough pool to minimize the value. Had it been like 4 or 5, then I could have reasonably inferred that scum didn't have a huge number of beam votes to throw around, so it would have been functionally the same as the parliament thing in terms of creating a pool that potentially contained a limited number of scum.

How did you choose the membership of the parliament?

pedit: Already answered!

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Did scum know about future phases/theme changes in advance?

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ILU Varsoon I'm sorry things kept getting in the way of the game.

Gamma, shooting your own teammate was going to give you a .01% chance of winning. I would have lynched you in LYLO, but not before then, after Chara was able to see that you actually did redirect a kill and didn't just perform one. IDK what everyone else would have done though.

Random, why did you have to be bad?

I think I would have before hand. I know I was town but Gamma scum has to lock me in as town anyway. There's no way to get there from his perspective. I actually suspected Gamma shot his buddy and was hoping Chara was relaying to help me sort it out fwiw.

Yeah, the problem with the Chara thing was that he ACTUALLY SAW HIM REDIRECT. :-/ I don't really understand why he actually shot his buddy as well as did a redirection action though, it sorta looks like(based on actions taken, not on roles, which I haven't dug into yet) that there could have been 3 scum kills that night?

*shrug* Maybe things aren't as they appear. I did forget that Gamma was part of the Parliament though, so that would have made it more likely he wouldn't live as long....

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ILU Varsoon I'm sorry things kept getting in the way of the game.

Gamma, shooting your own teammate was going to give you a .01% chance of winning. I would have lynched you in LYLO, but not before then, after Chara was able to see that you actually did redirect a kill and didn't just perform one. IDK what everyone else would have done though.

Random, why did you have to be bad?

bad at the game or scum? both are valid questions

i got kind of demotivated when i got caught for making a mechanical paly that didn't benefit me at all tbh
rly cool concept tho, look forward to playing in your next game varsoon
town deserve the win tbh, we were never gonna win it

Bad as in why did you have to roll scum???

Not bad in the game etc. Yeah, the whole hood creation thing with the timing and stuff was too much of a technical play for the specific individuals you were targeting at least. Had you made hoods with less active/attentive players you'd have been good I think? I didn't notice the timing myself at first because I was so shocked at getting screwed out of my next question.

If it's not covered in the scum PT, why did you guys go with that whole line anyways? With the quicklynch etc?

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ILU Varsoon I'm sorry things kept getting in the way of the game.

Gamma, shooting your own teammate was going to give you a .01% chance of winning. I would have lynched you in LYLO, but not before then, after Chara was able to see that you actually did redirect a kill and didn't just perform one. IDK what everyone else would have done though.

Random, why did you have to be bad?

bad at the game or scum? both are valid questions

i got kind of demotivated when i got caught for making a mechanical paly that didn't benefit me at all tbh
rly cool concept tho, look forward to playing in your next game varsoon
town deserve the win tbh, we were never gonna win it

Bad as in why did you have to roll scum???

Not bad in the game etc. Yeah, the whole hood creation thing with the timing and stuff was too much of a technical play for the specific individuals you were targeting at least. Had you made hoods with less active/attentive players you'd have been good I think? I didn't notice the timing myself at first because I was so shocked at getting screwed out of my next question.

If it's not covered in the scum PT, why did you guys go with that whole line anyways? With the quicklynch etc?

i wasnt involved in the QL decision
my teammates got antsy and thought the wagon would dissolve, i came online and saw they hammered, panicked and created my hoods bc getting mana and towncred with hooding you was too good to pass uup

Ah.

Hmm. That wagon DID have a high probability of dissolving, so that was a valid concern. I don't think any of them would have been next in line though, so unless they were universally terrified of the effect Mastina/Yume would have had on things+didn't want to shoot them i don't think it dissolving was something to be too concerned about.

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To be fair, Gamma and Venmar and A50 were all acting pretty scummy D1, and A50+B&M backed themselves into a bad corner. Still, nicely done.

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I want PT's opened!!! I wanna read things! I'm at work being ineffective, let me read mafia instead!

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Real talk Chara, why weren't you paranoid about me? The only thing I can think of is my freak out at the start of D2, but I think I do that as either alignment, maybe not talking about replacing as scum though. Not sure if scum!me would realize that town!me wouldn't even want to play anymore with the role I lost and had planned around, since I'd still have new things to play with that could be fun.

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No way Varsoon gives a town player that much power.

*whistles and hopes that no one ever actually takes a hard look at the roles on SaGa Frontier Mafia*

I did!

This is my once per game reminder that both town and scum in SF had at least one chance to guarantee themselves a victory through various multivoting/multilynching mechanics, and neither faction did it.

^^

@Alisae: I'm pretty sure you're the *only* person who actually thinks I'm an easy read, period. The closest anyone else has come to saying that is mastina, who thinks I'm a read that will definitely sort itself out.. *shrug* Also.....you don't understand Alisae. Chara was like, MASON levels of certain I was town. They claimed *everything* to me, including their secret PT's with dead people, and *everything* everyone else claimed, INCLUDING that Skybird and Icon were claiming to be masons.

@OTM: I didn't want mastina dead!!! I was just waiting around for the fervor to die down so I could redirect things elsewhere! Also, I was super paranoid of Alisae. Not particularly paranoid of Titus, normal paranoia levels for her; helped that Drixx wasn't really playing, but I knew he was around, so whenever he got active I could rely on him to provide the Titus paranoia for me.

@Titus: Yeah, that particular thing was bad, and assuming you stayed alive to remind me about it, would have guaranteed Venmar's lynch in the near future.

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Lol yeah. You were the *only* slot in the game that did not have a PT with Chara

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not even Shining Dreamers?

That's what their Sorin Markov role did. If a town player was lynched, they would get a permanent PT with them. Mastina/Yume were sharing their thoughts on everything with Chara and myself the whole game.

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Which, btw, is game design I really love. It sucks to get mislynched D1(I imagine, I don't know how that feels personally), so getting to stay engaged through this other role(one which will, even after it dies, be able to pass on your thoughts to other slots if it gets some PT's going on D2) seems really cool. The only thing cooler would be if that effect happened to the person *shot* N1, but like...that's too powerful, since scum obviously shot that person for a reason, and it negates that choice on their part.

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Like I took all of your fuckups and made it into a somewhat workable situation and then skyrocketted our slots towiness.

:-/ Rude.

I <3 you Taly. FWIW, your contributions were approximately infinitely more town telling than Alisae's.