VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Almost50]

I'll get to this later today, I promise

[Almost50]

Btw, I got a PM telling me my vote was stolen

[Almost50]

I wanted to be scum because I'm stronger as scum. Why y no give me scum?

- Phosphophyllite

I have went through 100+ posts and I have yet to form a read on anyone (nor even parse how the whole game mechanics work, but that's another story).

The quoted is the first post that actually pinged me some though, for obvious reasons.

There were other posts (by several posters) where I wanted to ask "why?" or "what?!" but I guess those will be answered as I go on reading, so I won't be clogging the thread with unnecessary posts from 20+ pages ago. I will though if by the time I'm caught up I don't find proper explanations to them.

[Almost50]

Oh, btw I'll have you all know that being voteless is so gaddman annoying. This is the second time this happens to me, and at first I thought "Cerb's done it again", but then WIFOM'd my self out of it on the basis X may have done it precisely to get me going on RR, or maybe someone just didn't know anything about whatever I' talking about (I find this less likely tbh, because why would someone who's familiar with this issue pick me to steal my vote?)

Anyway, since I won't be voting anyway I can catch up on my own pace, so you get your next update in 24 hours (maybe a little less but not much less)

[Almost50]

So far:

Mastina and Venmar (the latter more so) asking for something to be/not be done makes me frown. I hereby declare I won't be helping anyone rack up those coins (mana) before I get a positive read on them. Nahdia kicked all of our asses in a previous Varsoon game with coins used to buy stuff.

Creature is posting regularly = likely Town!Creature here

Chara claiming Miller us also likely Town!Chara (I say likely because I'm watching your play evolution and just accounting for the possibility you've added a new trick toy your arsenal)

OH, BTW: I was notified I got my vote back

I dunno what to make of Beeboy's push on Mastina. I don't trust Mastina as a general rule of the thumb, but going all-in on her could either be Town or Scum posturing a Town, so NAI but something to look out for.

@OTM: I wouldn't be so fast as to townbloc BOTH Mastina and Cerb here. If they're both Town we can all go home and rest assured Town wins the game no matter what, but that is an IF.

Why do people keep referring to OTM as OWM?? (edit: lol. OK.)

EoP 6

[Almost50]

also ftr i dont like hydras and i have a hard time following them, if each and every hydra could sig who is who in the hydra, that would be greatly appreciated. particularly applies to tibor and ?? since theyre signing under codenames.

FTR, I'm a hydra of me, myself and I. That's almost 50 heads.

[Almost50]

Preemptive read list:

- Creature is Town, he's active enough
- Chara is likely Town, nothing scummy detected. Also going strong against claiming and the Miller claim support that read.
- Maid Cafe & OnTheMark are being stupid to each other, but it's kinda townie-stupid

Notes:

This is NAI of course, but I strongly sympathize with Taly in 217. At this point while I was reading up I was seriously considering ignoring everything and just sheeping Creature (my strongest TR who is also "said" to have great reads). In fact I did skim/skip over some posts from both ~B & OTM before and after that point.

EoP 11

[Almost50]

In regards to your play it feels horrible

Well, that sure is a new one. This addressing Cerb is like saying Kim Jong-un is in love with Donald Trump, so to speak.

Your points on Taly are valid though, albeit not enough for me to SR the slot (I can't tell you why, if you know what I mean)

Spoiler: @Chara

you can refer to me in the second person

Who's the first one?

Claiming also informs town, I'll add.

I'll just have you know that claiming in a Varsoon game is night to a death wish regardless of your alignment. Varsoon usually makes sure there mechanics to punish claims. Like, in that game I referred to earlier, I was a Town Vig of some sort, but I could only kill my target if I new (or could guess) their flavour.

OK, Taly can be Town. In fact, if he was on a scum team they would have advised him against claiming the way he did, unless the whole team is literally composed of players who never played a Varsoon game before. (Put another way, Taly flipping scum totally and instantly clears Creature, Chara, Maid, RR, Sky, Shining, Baku, Bronzya, SS & Tibor. Probably even Dunn, although I don't remember if he played a Varsoon game previously).

By the time I got to the first VC (post 332m I find myself TRing Creature > Chara > Taly > OTM > Maid >> Iconeum (this is a null-Town slot) > RR (absolute null and shall probably remain there forever)

I have only 2 SRs on Sky > Venmar

All the rest are yet to be sorted (I probably should've included Shining as a null, but I'm hoping Yume will talk more and let me get a peek on the slot).

[Almost50]

EoP 15. and I need to do a quick run on "other stuff" and then head to bed.

By this rate I expect to be all caught up and playing in real-time by Sunday :/

[Almost50]

Varsoon: can you go ahead and make sure Almost knows this game has started? i miss him terribly.

I miss A50 too.

<3 I love you too, guys

Oh, and maybe random, cuz I want to be a in PT with him cuz tradition!

This should read: Cuz I'm a genius at brainwashing those I share a PT with.

Posts 410 & 411 Bronya can be town for now. About the same level of the Maki/Bee hydra. (If that ws Kiana on her own it would have been a notch or two higher, but I'm being a tad conservative.)

[Almost50]

And tell me your read on Dunnstral.

Dafuq??? Dunn had only posted 2 damn letters by that point! How does anyone get a read from a "hi"?? Unless you think him not typing "Hi" or using a fullstop/exclamation is AI!!!

@OTM:

Would it be too much to ask if I requested you use the post tags rather than quoting the whole post? Thank you.

[Almost50]

Anyway, I got told to act like me, so this is what you get.

Why would you need to be

told

to act

like yoursef

?? Of course, this is NAI for Yume, but really; why would you

not

act like you unless you're told so??

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town.

What???? Like, really.. WHAT??

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

Ok, so you said this was for me, but I don't get it. I

know for a fact

that Scum!you would never be so ballsy as to blatantly ask for a town lynch, but I still don't understand your point here.

NEWS FLASH: Chara's confirmed TOWN to me.

OK. I think I got it. Sorta. I'm not in agreement on the whole premise itself though. I could be supportive of a PL on someone who is clearly acting/playing anti-Town (like that strange role in the game where you were scum with Ali & Yume that picked an ability to use but the results went to the Mafia team), but it's not a general concept I want applied in most games.

[Almost50]

FTR; I think I'm having a problem regarding the "too many hydrae syndrome". I precisely keep confusing Tibor & Baku for some reason. Not that I have seen a hell lot of either slit.

[Almost50]

Right now (EoP 21) This is where I stand:

1 Chara
2 Creature
3 OnTheMark
4 Taly
5 Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
6 Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
7 Iconeum
-8- Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
9 Baku and Munna (Hydra: randomidget & Shiro)
10 Venmar
11 Skybird

Would lynch anyone below the RR slot.

Tibor/Micc/SS/Dunn are unsorted (not enough content) and Shining is a slot I've decided to leave for others to sort.

[Almost50]

Imagine if a player claimed they get mana from lynching an IC?

I think this example is more relevant to Chara now than Venmar. Why do you have a problem with Venmar advocating a wagon on himself and not with Chara advocating a town lynch (at the very least you're not showing the same emotions about the two).

To reiterate: I am 100% Chara is Town by now (I know them well enough to be this confident in my read), and I have a Scum lean on Venmar. My problem is not with your feelings about the players but with your reaction to the situations.

@A50: Please confirm your lost vote by voting for someone! Thanks!

Too late now

Oh, also: A50, when was your vote stolen? Midday, at day start? Were you told anything about the source of the vote steal? Like if it was a card used by someone?

The PM was received about 160 minutes before I made that post.

Nothing about the source or method. It just says I can still vote using creatures if I had any.

I was notified it was returned just over 29 hours later, if that helps.

[Almost50]

Lumia (Gamma) bad entrance is alarming. His SRs are also unfounded. This was funny though:

Oh my god A50 is in the game as himself

No. I'm not over 50 yet.

Did Creature disappear or did you guys post a whole lot in a smal amount of time?

And FGS.. for the love of everything holy, please stop wall quoting if it has no use. Like 628 woild have had the exact same effect if it only said "MC is Maid Cafe." without the quote at all. Or it could've been "@OTM: MC is Maid Cafe."

[Almost50]

@Gamma: re 651, wouldn't you knowing that nullufy it? I mean I don't usually read you based on activity myself, but rather on content and behaviour. Never realized you have a Creature'isque meta before.

@OTM turning out to be Mathblade. (Not telling you my MU username though)

OK, this could be nothing. Nut Sky waited for mthe longest time to vote MC, but not until OTM had voted her already. I recall MC saying they wanted to be voted by someone who had zero votes on them?

I am beginning to townread Skybird. Let me express my suspicion hereforth on players who attempt to paint her as scummy.

Prey tell what exactly in her ISO made you feel this way at that point?

Titus & Mathblade not fighting, but rather actually voting together is alarming. Also the first line in 724 is overly alarming at face value, but then I don't think Titus would go this ballsy talking to a scum p in public.

Tibor is being interesting! I guess time will tell who else will fall for this. (or should I say "have told" but I just haven't got there yet)

i would like him to prove he doesn't have it, though.

Are you saying my word isn't/wasn't enough got you there??

Is it bad I town read Dunnstral for the timing of his "hi" post?
Because I do and according to Maki that's really stupid

No, that's perfectly fine. Don't forget he used small letter too, so that means he

must be

town, actually.

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[Almost50]

Like, I know I'll probably regret this (as always) but I'm starting to like the RR play. I don't

want to

, but I do.

And only just now did I realize Chara was mimiccing my gambits when they made that controvercial proposal, and I hence understand why they addressed me with that one in the first place. GOOD ONE!

since Chara could just be a scum miller

What's a scum miller??

All alignments were generated AFTER roles were created.

It won't clear you so your good!

Beeboy, my friend, Check "Inception" for clarification. The setup was made of certain roles and alignments were assigned later on (a similar situation to this game). If the role was assigned to a Town player it becomes a MILLER. If it went to Mafia it becomes a GODFATHER. That's why I asked what a "mafia miller" was, because technically it is exactly that: a role that returns the opposite result to a Cop investigation.

P.S. Chara and Mathblade were both in Inception. I kind of forgot who else apart from gerrygoat.

i'm disappointed, because i did it mostly because Almost was here. but between not having his vote and his disinterest, it might not matter.

I'm not disinterested. I'm just overgamed and had a few IRL things to attend to, but I'm working on catching up steadily.

Does anyone outside Mark or Chara have a reason on why we shouldn't rolecop Chara's miller claim?

I do. I'm not lynching someone to verify someone else's role. This isn't Diffusion of Power.

I also know Chara well enough to know they wouldn't dare claim Miller if they were scum. Hell, even >I< wouldn't dare doing so.

everything i've said seriously or joked about regarding my role has been a lie. i'm no flavour of miller. any alignment check on me will return town.

I .. beg .. your pardon??? Are you telling me that the WHOLE Miller thing was a gambit?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG! I can't believe you would do that. 10/10 on the A50 crazy-gambit-meter.

i have to get going, but: Cerb, i understand if you're upset with me. please understand that i wasn't just dicking around, and i am completely cognizant of how scummy the timing of my claim retraction was.

OK, maybe 9.5 out of 10. I never apologize after successfully executing a crazy gambit

I knew you were a liar. I was trying to figure out under what circumstances the play you were making was possible if you were town.

Trust me, that's TOWN Chara 100% of the time. Maybe I will SR them in some other gamne in the future, having realized how they evolved in this particular department (crazy gambits) but right here and now I would TR them just as if we were in the hydra account together.

EoP 36, btw

[Almost50]

i wasn't going to accidentally force out any claims via making the claim i did

You need to teach someone (Jaydragonking) about that in particular. Fake claiming as TOWN should be done in a manner that risks no CC form the real PRs. (Also if you're faking as scum to escape the lynch, but that's another story).

And I don't care much what others (Cerb) say about it. I for one am proud of you

Tempted to just get Chara lynched for doing a shitty thing, 25% chance we hit scum anyways!

Over my dead body!

Tibor/Skybird/Iconeum are scummy

Talk to me about the Iconeum read, cuz I have him above my null line. Agreed on the other two though.

simply because they did something that's REALLY far outside of their town play.

And that's exactly why I'm endorsing and admiting their gambit. You should NOT expect someone to play the same everytime. It removes the challenge of trying to sort them (for Town) and it makes them pretty readable for Scum.

Like, where is the fun in knowing X does "this" as scum all the time, and you see them doing "this" on D1 and you lynch them. Or if you know Y does "that" as Town and you see them doing it on D1 and you are spared the efforst to try and read them beyond that point?

Why do you think I like playing you? It's because you play the same AS EITHER ALIGNEMNT, so it is always FUN to try and sort you.

EoP 38. and I'm starting to lose my concentration. So I'm calling it a night

[Almost50]

FINALLY Maki gets to post, and I'm feeling better about that slot already.

Why is Iconeum so high?

Is barely just above the null line "so high:?? Anyway, I'm not feeling Icon as scum, yet there's no good evidence he's town, so it's just gut at this point.

I think this game was specifically designed to render any attempy on VCA worthless.

There is an option E of having some sort of crazy as fuck multiball thing

Who else thinks this could be multi-ball? Why? (If you don't, you need not answer)

15/20 more pages to go *depending on how many more you post while I'm catching up*

[Almost50]

All caught up.
Current readlist:
1 Chara
2

Taly Alisae

Purple Heart
3 SnarkySnowman
4 OnTheMark
5 Creature
5 Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
5 Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
8 Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
9 Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
10 Iconeum
10 Micc
12 Baku and Munna (Hydra: randomidget & Shiro)
13 Venmar
14

Tibor and Lumia (Hydra: brassherald &

Gamma Emerald)
14 Skybird

. Dunnstral is not in this game for all practical purposes.

I'm not sure what to make of the wagon on Dreamers. For one thing, Mastina doesn't get wagoned (or rather bussed) when scum, so if that ever flips scum then everyone on it is likely Town.

However, if Dreamers is Town I can see scum hopping on the wagon there, so 2-3 scums are on it, and my personal guess would be Champion of the Parish (whoever controls that vote) > Venmar >> Bronya

It's not uncommon that Ali and Yume would go head to head as Town. In fact, I used this tell to deduce they were both scum in the game Ali linked (because he defended her on D1 which seemed rather odd tom me).

I also keep second guessing myself about Creature whenever he disappears, but when he does post it looks like Town him alright.

Titus/Kiana is a mix of good & bad, but the good is relatively more, so I still have a slight town lean there to an extent.

Personally I would rather flip Sky or Tibor, but will also take Venmar or Baku. I won't be fighting against any of Dunn/Icon/Micc/Shining but I won't be voting them myself (They're all more or less null). I

will

oppose lynches on the tip 5 (err.. 7, but there are 3 tied at 5th place currently).

VOTE: Skybird

P-edit: SHIT! It looks like you guys posted a new page already!

[Almost50]

Feel like you should be able to sort me with what I've posted. Was brass getting the way?

I eventually did and once again I'm leaning scum on you. You're not giving insight and seem to ask very surface level question avoiding to get in the real core. I'll admit you are posting more than your usual as scum but it's nothing productive and nothing that couldn't be easily faked. So there!

[Almost50]

Lumia (Gamma) bad entrance is alarming. His SRs are also unfounded.

Would love to hear why. I feel like I have justification for my reads. Which ones are unfounded?

Check the ones you made upon your entrance. I did the catching up posts specifically so as I don't have to go back and reread and/or ISO someone, so please be a pal and ISO yourself.

[Almost50]

OK, this could be nothing. Nut Sky waited for mthe longest time to vote MC, but not until OTM had voted her already. I recall MC saying they wanted to be voted by someone who had zero votes on them?

What are you trying to say here?

Deliberately denying a scum read from getting mana. It could be the right thing to do if Sky is Town, or it could be Scum!Sky trying to avoid giving MC mana. However, the point is mute now as MC declared they misunderstood their PM.

[Almost50]

mute

moot

[Almost50]

On the plus side, this is *probably* a town slot's set of stuff, unless it's difficult for them to gain mana, since otherwise generating 2+votes out of nowhere is a good way to force a lynch on someone as scum.

Where did the "role =/= alignment" and "roles were created before alignment were assigned" go?

Also, I'm starting to get flashbacks of Bloodborne here. Too much hidden powers that can only be countered if we knew the source and the exact extent and details.

[Almost50]

Am I allowed to mention what a certain banned user would do at this point?

You can say "I imagine someone would have done so and so.."

I mean, as long as you don't explicitly say the names of RC or Doggo you're probably on the safe side

[Almost50]

I believed he meant he disagreed with the idea of Micc being genuine, but I wasn't certain.

If we're going to turn this thread into "talk about anything but the actual game" then I will say this sentence itself is am oxymoron, because "belief" actually implies confidence, so you should've said "I

thought

he way saying so and so but wasn't certain".

Like, when someone declares their belief in God they're not saying they think He exists but are not certain, but rather that they have faith and are confident God does exist.

[Almost50]

@Chara: I said you get TR'd for doing it THIS TIME. Obviously you don't get any Town cred in any future game(s) in which you do something similar because that would be "knowingly banking on a previous example".

[Almost50]

VOTE: Gamma

If Sky isn't going through this one is as good for me.

[Almost50]

Almost50; what do you think about Skybird outing the hood, and the Shining Dreamers wagon?

Sky is at the bottom of my readlist, so I'd say she outing the hood was ill-intended, but to what purpose? I have no idea.

To reiterate, scum do have day chat as per the rules, so if Sky intended to expose the hood to her team she would have done it in their PT.. UNLESS SHE'S A TRAITOR with no access to the Scum PT!! (Note: I don't recall Varsoon ever using a Traitor though, but I've seen the Traitor in the Real Folks Blues 1st run doing it)

As for Dreamers, I'm undecided on their alignment, but the push on them seems unnatural, and I don't think Town would have to use extra voting abilities to get a lynch through on D1, which is why I'm having Dreamers as a town lean (that and the Yume AtE, but I admit I have a soft spot for Yume's AtE unlike my usual stiff self).

[Almost50]

OK;

@Snarkysnowman: Please lie detect the following..

I was mod notified my vote got stolen from me, and was mod notified it was returned mire than 24 hours later

@Ali: I'll keep my mouth shut but you should be ashamed by both thinking I'm making this up and hurting my pride in 2560

@RR: I made a mistake, the PM for the vote return was actually received just over 41 hours (not 29 as I stated before). I just didn't notice the latter had the time stamp in the pm not the am, so that's where 12 hours difference come from.

Also, shame on you too for thinking I would do this in a Varsoon game as either alignment, and even more for thinking I would suggest it was done to implicate you if I was indeed lying about it in the first place!

@OTM: THANK YOU for choosing to believe me. Now we wait for SS confirmation (or maybe RR can ask if there's a role that can steal votes tomorrow, or maybe even the vote stealer -if town- can do it to someone else .. although this might have been a spell and the card may have been discarded already)

[Almost50]

But it's nice to know people actually UNDERestimate me. Why would I even lie when the lie itself is:

1- Easily verifiable, and
2- Doesn't benefit me AT ALL, as either alignment

[Almost50]

And it could be that my vote was stolen precisely because I wasn't active in the game yet. Maybe they wanted to catch my attention? Or maybe they intended to use my vote to their liking? Or maybe they didn't know I was going to get notified of it?? Too many maybes here.

[Almost50]

...Again Sky didn’t out the hood
Mastina did and sky confirmed it.

So Icon is the only member who did NOT talk about it?

[Almost50]

A50 that's a bad lie detect for so many reasons.... Like it's a silly thing to lie about and doesn't mean a lot to me.....

However, it seems there are a couple of people who think otherwise. Like, I don't want to

tell

you what to do with your role, but I'm legit pissed at Ali for coming up with this shit.

[Almost50]

@Sky: Can you please refresh my memory as to whether we played together in any other game than SU2?

[Almost50]

Varsoon, I wish that our slot wins the game.

Is this a 3P claim?

FTR: I do NOT think there are any 3P in the game. I don't even understand what Cerb was going about when he brought up the possibility of a 3P than would prevent a Town win while alive, or where he got it from.

[Almost50]

@A50: our win con is to remove the end. It is not to remove all threats. That means that if there were say a serial killer, if they were still alive when we removed the last member of the end, town would just win. Therefore any 3p that can't win with town would require some mechanism preventing town from winning upon removing the end from the game.

That makes me think it's unlikely that any antitown 3p are in the game.

-Cerb

Oh, maybe I misinterpreted what you said ... again. I thought you were suggesting there might be a 3P that -while alive- DOES prevent the town from winning.

[Almost50]

@Sky: Can you please refresh my memory as to whether we played together in any other game than SU2?

Thanks for the answers everyone.

I would say about 12 lb or 5 milliseconds in cash!

[Almost50]

Has A50 retracted his claim yet?

~B

I think it's established it's a fake claim.
I am just not sure if that has anything to do with his alignment.

~B

@MAKI: STATE YOUR POSTION ON THIS, PLEASE. AM I LYING ABOUT MY VOTE HAVING BEEN STOLEN AND RETURNED LATER?

[Almost50]

Weird! How did you guess??

[Almost50]

so we're playing an undertale game now!

At least I didn't get the Annoying Dog role!

[Almost50]

A50 will be lynched within the next 1.5 day phases if I'm still alive and he remains terrible.

And yes, he's terrible so far.

-Cerb

Ask me if I care. If my vote keeps disappearing on me what incentive do I have to say anything at all? Like, I know what you're thinking and I DO NOT CARE ANYMORE.

[Almost50]

I'm at a point where I REALLY don't care anymore, so I'll just say it and get it over with:

I bloody fucked up. It was I who hammered Mastina. I wasn't sure of their alignment because Mastina's posting was terribad .. like horrific. On the other hand Yume was quite and I associate that more with her Town play. When things got over-heated to the point I could not even READ (let alone comprehend) the thread I decided it might be good to just end the day and see if Mastina was scum and hijacking the slot (she said she won't be posting much and look how "little" she posted indeed) *Smirk*

Anyway, that was my bloody mistake.

Then I got a hood with OTM and they said I'd look really bad if they got NK'd, but there was nothing I can do to affect the NK because I'm NOT SCUM. So when I got to the thread at the start of the day and saw OTM was the NK AND that I lost my vote AGAIN I really gave in and gave up. Beeboy and Ali are being overly and utterly stupid and tunneled, and I just don't want to deal with that as it affects my mood nor only for this game but for.. well.. everything I do.

So there.

Oh, and Beeboy is being doubly stupid for suggesting the spell was U/G when in fact I was all WHITE. He just looked at the PHOTO and decided it was U/G (much like a toddler who can't read but enjoys the comics anyway).

If you guys want to lynch me, so be it. I have not and probably will no be on top of the game any time soon anyway. So there!

P.S. I reserve the right to respond only to players whom I'm willing to work with. Anyone I dislike I will ignore their questions AND will also ignore them being rephrased by people I'm willing to work with because I don't feel like going round and round in circle when it doesn't even matter.

Over

[Almost50]

I stopped developing/updating my reads after last night, so here's where I was at before the day started:

1 Creature
2 Chara
3 Reasonably Rational
4 Maid Cafe
5 SnarkySnowman
6 TalyAlisae
7 Skybird
8 Gamma Emerald << This one by virtue of OTM who had them even higher
-9- Bronya Zaychik << Null Line
10 MiccNancy Drew 39
11 Baku and Munna
12 Venmar << OTM also had this one much higher but I'm not convinced. They wanted to leave him alone till LyLo
13 Iconeum << Also this one OTM objected to. In fact I said I was confident there's scum on Ven/Ico because they were the only two on the Mastina wagon that I had below my null line and OTM's response was "I just can't see it this way".

. Dunnstral

Dunn is a non-entity to me. Math said they didn't agree but didn't even elaborate on whether he should be a TR or a SR

Re: The Mastina wagon. OTM asked why I TR Ali and SR Ico and I said it was because Ico joined the wagon late, and OTM said that it makes Ali look worse because he refused to listen. Ali was my 3rd strongest TR at the start of the night but relegated to 6th after that. Still a solid TR for me though.

I also had another reason to suspect Ico and thatb was lining up lynches (if Mastina is Town we lynch Ali) and OTM argued that Taly did the same. I explained that Taly was hinting OTM could be scum WITH Mastina, so that's not really scummy because Mastina flipped Town. Ico -on the other hand- could very well be scum who knew Mastina was flipping Town and thus is more suspicious to me.

[Almost50]

OTM corrected me on the Taly thing, saying she actually said "if both were alive"

[Almost50]

OTM says Gamma is himself and will always be so until he is more (whatever that means) is the reason he is Town. They suspected Sky for "rolefishing" and Ali for the relentless push on Mastina. They also "didn't fully trust me" and would have rathered I got Lie-detected, and were not content with Cerb's play in general.

They HARD TR'd Beeboy (said he was obv!Town), and had a mild TR on both Venmar and Gamma, and they were confident the Parish creature was scum controlled (I had the opposite view and always thought it was Town and associated it with Creature in particular, and I made a pun of Creature controlling the creature).

P-edit: You asked for my reads. I don't even have a vote to contribute to any lynch anyway.

[Almost50]

Do you really feel you can't contribute if you don't have a vote?

What do you suggest I'd do? I'm answering questions, am I not? And providing reads, and conveying the last words of a dead Townie too. I'm open to suggestions if you have any.

[Almost50]

@Drixx: Do you know I'm one who can "convince people to go with me"?? I don't even know what's gong on myself, and my read list was practically conflicted with that of OTM (a confirmed Townie) and is also different from the living majority (yours included), plus I'm being under continuous fire from 2 slots whom I think are both Town, so can't even return the fire, so to speak.

You know, the one thing I could do is eat rope and let you guys settle it between yourselves. "Remove the obstacles". and I'm being one myself so I deserve to go. Fair is fair.

But if you have specific questions for me I'd be happy to answer them.

[Almost50]

Almost50

, can you vote to prove that it wasn't stolen?

Are you saying the MOD is lying to you? I cannot vote as per the Varsoon himself (last line in both VCs he posted so far). *Sigh*

VOTE: A50

Happy?

[Almost50]

@Chara:

Now that's a pretty good case on #3346, so allow me to blow your bubble just because it's fun!

1- How do you know I'm not just saying "lynch me"? I mean, you don't really know until I

am

lynched, do you?
2- How do you know I'm not.. "taking advantage of that town trait and using it to get ahead", as you put it? How can you tell the difference?
3- I can't argue with the vote steal/block/whatever. I mean that's the only valid point in that case if you ask me, but thanks for the vote of confidence.

Oh, and 4- It was always the plan that I would reveal that I hammered Mastina myself. Both me and OTM though agreed we should wait a little at the stat of the day to gauge reactions and stuff (mostly because they thought the Creature itself was controlled by scum and I thought it was controlled by Town. I also suspect they knew who controlled the Creature because when they asked me whom I thought it belonged to and I said Creature they strongly refused that proposition)

BEE-FUCKING-BOY: YOU FUCKING GARBAGE CAN FULL OF DOG SHIT. TRY FUCKING READING FOR FUCKING ONCE, YOU TWAT. IT IS A FACT! IT IS FUCKING MOD CONFIRMED IN EVERY FUCKING VC THAT I AM VOTELESS. WHEN TALY ASKED ME TO VOTE TO TEST IT I FUCKING COMPLIED BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE MY ANGER ON BOTH YOU AND ALI ON HER. READ THE BLOODY VS FOR FUCKING ONCE, YOU MORON.

AND YOU BLOODY LIAR! GAMMA HAD ONLY TWO FUCKING VOTES ON HIM, MINE AND MAID CAFE'S. HOW'S THAT A LEADING WAGON IN YOUR UNIVERSE? MASTINA WAD ON BLOODY L-2 NOT L-3. ARE YOU EVEN PLAYING THIS GAME OR ARE YOU SITTING ON AN ELECTRIC <REDACTED> IR RIDING A HUGE <REDACTED> AND MOANING IT OUT OF YOUR ARSE???

P.S. And I legit don't care if I get reported and accordingly "reprimanded" for it. I've had enough of you and your pretentious attitude coupled with total ignorance and lack of perception.

Oh, and I hereby promise that if I ever get a Vig shot, or just about any means to kill at all that I'd be using that on your slot. PROMISE.

[Almost50]

@Anyone who is

actually reading the game

: Can someone please show me when Gamma's wagon has ever exceeded, equaled or even got close to Mastina's? Ali was shouting like a maniac with unreadable large font to lynch Mastina, and Mastina was shouting back (but without the large font). Everyone else was either promoting their own view or doing nothing at all. The thread was getting too noisy and hard to follow with every player or two pointing fingers on a different target. Why would I want the day to extend any longer?

Btw, here's something for the entertainment of only those who have brains in their skulls: I gained one colourless mana every 48 hours of day. In other words, from a mechanical PoV I waould have loved for the day to extend for the entire 2 weeks. But I was sick of trying to actually read the bloody thread. I acted on the spot without thinking twice about it. SUE ME.

[Almost50]

So much anger.

A50, are you okay man? You've been unlike yourself this entire game. I don't mean in terms of play, but in terms of character. :-/

-Cerb

Yikes A50 take it down a notch

Guys, he's calling me a liar over something that was 100% true, while he is lying out of his teeth about in-thread facts. He's not even reading the mod posts. I could totally be scum here in theory, and it is just a game.. I know, but when someone starts talking our of their rear side and doesn't want to stop you feel like they're farting i your face all the time. That's totally unacceptable.

Anyone who is READING the thread is totally entitled to form their own reads and have their own say. Someone who assumes a spell was U/G because the PICTURE has those colours, and then insists I am lying about having no vote when VARSOON SAYS SO IN THIS THREAD then I have an issue.

[Almost50]

And -again- would somebody be so kind as to point me to when Gamma's wagon was the leading wagon over Mastina's? I'd be very much obliged.

[Almost50]

@THE MYSTERY VOTE THIEF OF YESTERDAY: PLEASE AT LEAST CLAIM THAT ACTION. If Ali's assumption we won't go back to that same role again is true then there's absolutely no hard in setting things straight. Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

I find it impossible that a town motivated A50 ends the day like that. If I Space Dandy it, I am sorry. Too convienent. The Micc/Nancy slot has been too silent as well. Most likely, the move was for Micc to cast a creature for A50 to superpower making a scum lynch Day 1 all but impossible even with Parrish in play.

I think I will have more to say but I got one question before. RR did you ever color claim? I am not asking you to.

~Titus

Interesting! I won't even try to get into arguments anymore. All I want to know is why you are voting a player who is blocked from using any personal or factional abilities and is also voteless. Care to explain hat one?

[Almost50]

or gamestate dictates otherwise

And the game state should have dictated you not voting someone who was -at the time- chained and locked up in cell in a dark dungeon deep under the ground.

But anyway, I said I won't be going into arguments, so I'll shut up.

So, Bronya/Chara/RR/Purple Heart didn't steal my vote, and unless Maid Cafe are Scum they didn't either.

[Almost50]

A50, since Varsoon said we are on the pacifist path I don't think you are blocked and voteless anymore.

I know, and I'm NOT claiming I am blocked/voteless NOW. I was referring to my previous claim (precisely the one on D1, since that is the one causing all the commotion and is still not confirmed or claimed by anyone). I'm looking for that specific someone who stole my vote for some time, returned it, saw me being tormented over claiming the fact and didn't step in to admit they indeed stole my vote. That would make them scum because the townie thing to do in this situation is to claim the action regardless of their read on the subject (i.e. me)

[Almost50]

To be clear A50, you weren't being tormented over claiming, you were being tormented over not making a vote to prove your claim when you made it.

Pedantic, but yeah.

-Cerb

Why are you ignoring the point? The point is someone out there stole my vote and is refusing to acknowledge their responsibility for it, which is making the thread overly toxic and they seem content with that. It's even worse than outright faking a guilty on someone. At least if you fake a guilty you ARE taking the responsibility for the push/lynch.

[Almost50]

I cannot understand why A50 is so upset over losing a vote. Who cares? I guess I'll never understand these people.

My God! People keep going on and on in circles yet never realizing what the whole point is!

I .. am ... NNNNNOOOOOOTTTTTTT .... upset ... over ... LOSING .. the vote

I .. am .. upset ... over ... being accused .... of being ... A LIAR

Now let's drop the subject since it's irrelevant at this point.

[Almost50]

Also, assuming you can vote now due to the shift to Pacifist, do you have any thoughts revolving around Gamma's wagon?

I wanted Gamma lynched and was voting him on D1, but now he claims he is unlynchable and I'm not sure if we should test it or not. I'll let you guys decide o the proper course of action and sheep the majority.

[Almost50]

How can you SR me and ask this? Scum will always have a PT. (Not to mention I already said I had one with OTM, but I'm assuming you're asking about an active PT now).

[Almost50]

@Taky: I mean, I have posted my reads. Right now I'd say I have no case on most anyone, but all I have are gut reads and vengeful feelings (NOT a crumb, btw). I am especially worried about the silent players, but if we exclude those I'd probably lynch baku or Venmar.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Venmar

[Almost50]

And before someone pops the inevitable question of "Why Venmar over Gamma?"

1- Currently Gamma is higher than Venmar in my reads
2- Venmar is voting Gamma
3- Gamma claims to unlynchable today

[Almost50]

@RR: You can vote Dunn yourself to test his claim if you don't believe him. I'm not gonna switch my vote lest "someone" says I was hopping between wagons and trying to derail the lynch.

[Almost50]

@Cerb: This is for your eyes only..

Spoiler:

I've said all I want to say and I'm voting whom I want to vote and I have nothing much to contribute beyond that.
I have received a "friendly reminder" to "keep things in shape" from our beloved mod, and I have also received an

official warning

from a list mod regarding the same issue. Guess who reported that post

and is using the fact that I'm practicing self-constraint against me

Suffice it to say I'm not going to get myself banned over a game, so I'm going to keep skimming the thread regularly but I'm not going to talk much at all, and if that's sufficient grounds to lynch then I'm all for it.

[Almost50]

What is this I read about a guilty on me?

[Almost50]

OH.. OK.. GL then. Don't get too disappointed I didn't fight it back when you see my flip though.

[Almost50]

Long I've fantasized about entering, and changing my scenery...
No... Changing my LIFE!

VOTECOUNT 2.07

Almost50 (2):

Maid Cafe, Dunnstral, Bronya Zaychik

Venmar (2):

Purple, Almost50

Gamma Emerald (1):

Venmar

Maid Cafe (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (8):

Chara, baku and munna, Creature, Nancy Drew 39, Heart, Skybird, Iconeum, Reasonably Rational

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2018-04-08 19:20:00)

The current playthrough is on the PACIFIST ROUTE.
Snarky Snowman no longer counts as a living player.
They may still post, but they may not vote, be voted for, act, or be targeted.

Check this out! This was the last posted VC. Notice anything funny?

[Almost50]

I got it bad
You don't know how bad I got it
You got it easy
You don't know when you've got it good
It's getting harder
Just keeping life and soul together
I'm sick of fighting
Even though I know I should
The cold is biting
Through each and every nerve and fibre
My broken spirit is frozen to the core
I don't want to be here no more
Wouldn't it be good to be in your shoes
Even if it was for just one day?
Wouldn't it be good if we could wish ourselves away?
Wouldn't it be good to be on your side?
The grass is always greener over there
Wouldn't it be good if we could live without a care?
You must be joking
You don't know a thing about it
You've got no problem
I'd stay right there if I were you
I got it harder
You couldn't dream how hard I got it
Stay out of my shoes
If you know what's good for you
The heat is stifling
Burning me up from the inside
The sweat is coming through each and every pore
I don't want to be here no more
I don't want to be here no more
I don't want to be here no more
Wouldn't it be good to be in your shoes
Even if it was for just one day?
Wouldn't it be good if we could wish ourselves away?
Wouldn't it be good to be on your side?
The grass is always greener over there
Wouldn't it be good if we could live without a care?

~Nik Kershaw

[Almost50]

do your best, Iconeum. all the puzzles are solvable. Nancy was an outlier, everyone else was able to solve their puzzles.

I wasn't.

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Don't be like that. For the first time in my career in the game of Mafia I'm enjoying being totally useless in a game.

[Almost50]

What if this is the last game Varsoon mods

of course not! i know this for a fact.

You do? Is the next game in the signups?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50

[Almost50]

Too late

[Almost50]

I'm a double voter, yo.
I'm also fed up with this, so I want to be flipped so you guys may finally see the light. It's not like you're magically going to switch to someone else with a stated/claimed guilty on me (and I say stated/claimed because I really don't know if it's totally fake or if there's a redirector/framer kind of role in play).

[Almost50]

What was the reason of the fake self-hammer and fake-claim?

Instead of asking what the reason was you should be asking what the result was. The result is you all know it's a

FAKE GUILTY

. So we now know there's not redirector/busdriver/framer, at the very least.

As for why vote myself? I am bored and I don't just replace out from games I willingly sign up to. If I'm not having fun playing the game I'll find a way to make me have fun still through some crazy play. I am not claiming it was planned, as I'm not even following the game the way I do when I take games seriously, but it was funny to have you all on your toes for some time.

To be honest, I didn't even think of it when I saw Gamma voted me, but then when I saw Cerb asking him to unvote it occurred to me to mess with you all and have a chuckle.

And FTR, I don't even mind fake guilties myself. What I do object to is senseless tunneling. Faking a guilty for reaction tests is fine (well, sometimes) but driving it up all the way until it results in an inevitable lynch is no fun at all.

I want you to imagine yourself in my shoes for a minute. You are being called a liar all game long. You are being framed in every possible way and every possible trick in the book is being used against you. And then someone comes up with a guilty on you which you know for a fact isn't true.

Would you have stayed in the game?

I'd bet real money that you wouldn't. So, please don't blame me for trying to have some fun here rather than make your lives miserable (as well as the life of the replace in)

[Almost50]

Do not tell me that that was SOLELY to try and prove that you were right, because if you're town, you're borderline going against your alignment.

I wasn't even trying that. All I wanted was to laugh at you all getting alerted by the fake hammer. The "being right" part was an unexpected side effect.

I mean. there's no way I would have expected that outcome anyway. I wasn't sure if that was the doing of a 3rd person or not. I would no have known they'd actually try to come clean at that time after having sat on it for what? 2 weeks??

And you really want to put the blame on the person who "fake" hammered, and not the person who "fake"

guiltied

them??

[Almost50]

If it was nothing but to get a rise out of the playerlist, why do you keep it on?

Program: What would be the point of unvoting?

10 Delay the lynch?
11 No one's going to hammer.
20 Avoid the lynch?
21 Not gonna happen?
30 Make me look better in your eyes?
31 To what purpose?
40 GOTO 10