VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Dunnstral]

hi

[Dunnstral]

Maki who do you think is the towniest player in this game and why?

And tell me your read on Dunnstral.

Dunn is Null
Venmar and Creature are the most town players because creature can't fake a scum game and vermars answers feels genuine even if I don't agree with some of the answers he has

Shining Dreamers
Chara
Maid Cafe
Venmar
Dunnstral
Reasonably Rational
Baku and Munna

These slots are all town btw ^^

So what changed your read from point A to point B here?

[Dunnstral]

Pretty sure the reason is more likely to make it seem you are useful and scumhunting and giving reads but actually you're scum and just put the names of all the people you know are town, including Dunnstral.

I think the timing of the post always comes from town.
Dunnstral is actually a very self aware and good at scum and wouldn't just open the game like that as scum, he would always open the game and do something. Like I can pull games but I fact checked my meta just to be safe, Dunnstral just wouldn't open the game doing fuck all like that, his openings are actually decent as scum.

His post of "hi" literally made me think he was town because if he was scum he'd do anything else. And it's not like that's a line of play that Dunnstral would ever consider faking for town cred either.

I don't need a case, read or a push to determine that someone is town. Mafia has more dynamics than just that.

~B

ok I buy this

[Dunnstral]

For anyone who wants to know yes I've read the thread I've just gave my comments to bee and haven't been posting
~Maki

Why haven't you been posting?

[Dunnstral]

Your math is wrong and even if we lynch inside the hood we don't have better odds than outside of it

[Dunnstral]

Mafia miller isn't a thing, just like town godfather isn't a thing

[Dunnstral]

Thanks for responding though, makes me feel a bit better about you

I'm not sure what you're talking about

[Dunnstral]

Okay then any two players have a 13/17 * 12/16 odds of both being town before the first post.
Then any three players have a 13/17 *12/16 *11/15 odds
Any four players have a 13/17 * 12/16 * 11/15 * 10/14 odds of all being town yes?

So 13/17*12/16*11/15*10/14 is right around 30 percent random chance the hood is all town. Before taking in the problem of assuming two players are town.

Now the most likely answer is one of the players in your hood is scum?

But you can take any subset of 4 players and say they're probably not all town

The neighborhood isn't relevant to that in any way shape or form - the neighbors came first, alignment second

[Dunnstral]

So family night went pretty late (we're talking like 11 pm late), and I get up early (we're talking 6 am with it being 1 am right now), meaning I obviously don't have time to do so now.
No promises for any time date where I will.
I'm honestly swamped with work, is another reason why the idea was to let Yume drive in that I know I'm busy, so.

BUTSTILL.

Something I meant to post before I went to bed when I did my catchup--a readslist. I posted this in the PT (Yume can verify), but here it is in thread as promised.
Chara
OnTheMark

Bronya Zaychik

Dunnstral
Iconeum
Tibor and Lumia
Venmar
Micc
Almost50
SnarkySnowman

Creature (CAVEAT: need more time, could be much, much higher, will let you know when I can)


(YES THE GAP IS ACTUALLY THIS FUCKING HUGE)

Baku and Munna
Taly/Alisae
Maid Cafe
Reasonably Rational
Skybird

My expectation is that there is either 4 or 5 scum in the game. (5 is high but not impossible, so I'd rather be on the safe side and assume five as a precaution.)
Given that I have 5.5 scumreads, that's .5-1.5 too many, I know.
As it just so happens, and I said this in the PT, my scumreads happen to have a certain degree of mutual exclusivity to them. This is strongest in Skybird-Maid Cafe, in that while I firmly scumread both slots, I don't think they work as scumbuddies. In fact I am positive at least one is town. (And it's not impossible both are.)

I'll take a look at Maid Cafe/Skybird tomorrow, my initial feeling is that Maid Cafe is town while I haven't looked at Skybird's posts (also this isn't me necessarily subscribing to the idea that 1 is scum)

[Dunnstral]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

Don't do this

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral has been a point of contention in certain circles

tell me more

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral has been a point of contention in certain circles

tell me more

I'm wondering what is meant by saying I'm a "point of contention" - am I?

[Dunnstral]

nani

[Dunnstral]

Just dropping in to say I'm unlynchable now - keep up the good work guys

[Dunnstral]

I'll actually get into this game in a bit - does anybody know why it became pacifist all of a sudden?

[Dunnstral]

which is making the thread overly toxic and they seem content with that.

I don't think the vote stealer is to blame for toxicity in the thread

[Dunnstral]

But why would we lynch you, then?

[Dunnstral]

I'm also lynchproof which has me eyeing gamma's claim


The way my role works is that votes just don't stick on me right now, so it's provable

Maybe it's just a pacifist route thing?

[Dunnstral]

Dunstrall's first 8 posts are all NAI, not a single one talks about the game or the players. In 2269 he gives his first read on Maid Cafe town/Skybird unknown. Promises to take a look at these 2, never follows this up.

Next posts are all 3-4 word non-engaging posts like 2271, 2384 and 2453. This time could have been spent researching the MC/Skybird slots as promised but chooses to post that crap.

Next post that does anything is claiming unlynchable, which does nothing but distract. Never comments on reads, no votes, overall I'm not feeling any care for sorting.

VOTE: Dunstrall

There hasn't been a vote count after Skybirds vote on Dun, so let's see what happens. If we don't (or can't ) lynch him today, I want to see him lynched tomorrow.

How is any of that scum motivated rather than just lazy in this game?

[Dunnstral]

That's not what I asked - I asked how it was scum motivated, rather than just lazy.

[Dunnstral]

baku and munna 281 to 3800

Taly/Alisae/Purple Heart

+1940 +=?2753 ☀ +=3464 +-?3474

Maid Cafe

++281 +516 +521 +524 ++2753 ☀ ?3102 =3108] +3232 +-3464 -3472 -3474 +3722 -3792

ReasonablyRational

+281 +516 ++568 =+1228 =1268 +2753 ☀ =3136 ++3474 +3722 =3738]3738

Bronya Zaychik

==2753 +=2764 ☀ -3474 -3485 =?3491 =3273 =3738

Chara

-=281 -516 -568 --1223 -1228 -1260 -=1262 -1264 -1268 -2753 ☀ =3464 =3472 +==3474

Creature

==2753 ☀ +3474

SnarkySnowman

-==2753 ☀ ?3474

Almost50

==2753 ☀ +3474 +3607

Skybird

+1223 ?2691 +2753 ☀ -3474 =3491

Iconeum

-516 ==?1223 ?2753 ☀ +3474

Micc/Nancy

==2753 ☀ ==3474 =3792

Dunn

+2753 ☀ ==?3474

Venmar

+281 +516 ==?524 ?1264 =2666 +2753 ☀ -3337 +==3474 +3722

Tibor and Lumia/Gamma

=1222 =2658 ==-2753 ☀ ?3102 -v3113 -3474 -3673

____________________________________________________________

Shining Dreamers

=281 -516 -524 --1940 -2753 ✝☀

OnTheMark

-281 ==516 ++==524 =568 =?762 --v1222 -1258 =1262 ?1264 -1271 =2658 -2691 ?2753 =2759 ✝☀

Baku

, there are several slots where you've only mildly interacted with or gave thoughts about through readslist, do you have any strong reads at the moment and any clarity on the lesser interacted with slots?

~ Taly

"You are not authorized to read this topic"

[Dunnstral]

I'm also lynchproof which has me eyeing gamma's claim


The way my role works is that votes just don't stick on me right now, so it's provable

Maybe it's just a pacifist route thing?

Just dropping in to say I'm unlynchable now - keep up the good work guys

Plus Onthemark?
Plus Gamma?

Yeah no
~Maki

I mean, we're in the pacifict route?

My flavor is that I'm the animated training dummy that can't be hurt by physical attacks.

Who do you think is scummy if we're all lynchproof?

[Dunnstral]

I feel as though

Maid Cafe

is

aligned with the town

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Almost50

[Dunnstral]

I never got a puzzle

[Dunnstral]

I agree that its a bad idea. We have no guarantee that the game doesn't just switch back.

I thought a mass claim was a bad idea day 1 as well, partially due to my own mtg role

[Dunnstral]

tldr is needed
~Maki

We're waiting for everyone to do a puzzle so Chara can become an innocent child (I think)

[Dunnstral]

Sure I can check for it

[Dunnstral]

Got a puzzle

[Dunnstral]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

[Dunnstral]

Probably the fact that A50 got guiltied 5 days ago and then completely clammed up, and the only reason this day is still going is for these puzzles

Mine is fairly difficult btw

So.

Is it too difficult to be resolved? Will you be able to solve it within the next few hours? Or what?

-Cerb

I'm thinking I'll try to have it done before tomorrow morning

Otherwise I don't see a reason why I wouldn't be able to ask for help as long as I'm describing it in my own words

[Dunnstral]

I finished and submitted it

[Dunnstral]

Seeing how the last few puzzle solvers took DAYS to complete it, how do you guys figure I get it done with just 2 days left on the clock, and the previous puzzle being unsolved?

Once you get your puzzle, describe it to the rest of us if it's something that can be helped with. I'll try to help

[Dunnstral]

April Fools Mafia

[Dunnstral]

Did any of the puzzle types overlap? I know I did a maze, Nancy had a jigsaw puzzle, Icon has a riddle. What other puzzles did people get?

A cypher

[Dunnstral]

UNDERTALE MAFIA

[Dunnstral]

UC 0087 EARTH SPHERE STRATAGEMS:

Please vote on one of the following Stratagems:

The Titan Offensive :

The Scum Team loses access to their Night Chat.

Operation Maelstrom :

The Scum Team loses access to all of their 'Mobile Suit' abilities for the Day and Night.

Parliament at Dakar :

A special PT is opened with 4 players in it; at least one of the players in the PT is guaranteed to be Scum.

Titan Offensive is the worst option here and shouldn't be considered

Between the other two, I vote for Parliament as our best choice

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Parliament

I believe this is our best option

[Dunnstral]

i should just lurk like dunn or snowman in my future games to just coast to victory

The key is to post before you get replaced

[Dunnstral]

i technically also went from a conditional 3p who was also town to just town. he might have misread something.

also, Firebringer has successfully gotten me to scumread him. good job, Fire!

Ok but now we have 2 claims of 3p to town

[Dunnstral]

Titus, Reasonably Rational, Gamma Emerald, & Baku and Munna.

This is useful information

Don't end the day phase yet, is there any way for us to advance the game year? The UC

[Dunnstral]

1) outing all factional memberships
2) outing all the options
3) outing who voted for what and WHY in each faction.

What does 1 and 3 even mean? Did I miss something? Faction?

[Dunnstral]

Oh, if we can advance the current year way forward I can take care of that stardust strategem

[Dunnstral]

I was never in a faction

[Dunnstral]

Actually, I can't do anything about the stardust stratagem unfortunately.

It's still good to advance the current year

[Dunnstral]

Oh, if we can advance the current year way forward I can take care of that stardust strategem

The only way I'm aware of to advance the current year is by advancing to the next day phase. Again, per the rules.

-Cerb

I have abilities that unlock based on the year, and the flavor has been changing every day

[Dunnstral]

I think it's possible that the games themes will loop around and if we come back to this game it would be a later year

[Dunnstral]

Varsoon created 8 worlds.

Where did you learn this?

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, feels like you claiming all your shit would be valuable, because right now we're looking at deliberately nonexistent factions, factions which were predetermined and the membership would have consisted of some combination of A50, SD, and OTM, or you lying. ^^

Maybe, my flavor is Uso Ewin

[Dunnstral]

I just took a good look at the beam vote thing and can't wrap my head around why AEUG would pick that option unless everything else was truly terrible

[Dunnstral]

I can't do anything with my role unless the date reaches UC 153

[Dunnstral]

Why would you pick option 2 instead of option 1?

[Dunnstral]