VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Alisae]

I AM JUST ANNOUNCING THAT I AM TOWN DON'T MIND ME.

[Alisae]

Omg it's an Alisae!

-Cerb

Hi Cerby


Also

@Bee

- Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum tell me where to vote.

[Alisae]

ok, scum, got it

Hey, that's not a friendly way to greet me

[Alisae]

If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

[Alisae]

I'm always a dear, but I won't be performing a summary for you. <3

-Cerb

I WISH FOR A DAYVIG

V: NO WISHES

[Alisae]

GOD DAMMIT VARSOON D:

[Alisae]

I AM JUST ANNOUNCING THAT I AM TOWN DON'T MIND ME.

OMG IT'S AN ALISAE!

Thank you for coming!

~Titus

OMG ITS A TITUS

It's been awhile in a non-mash setting.

[Alisae]

If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

ty btw :3

[Alisae]

Considering maid is tied for largest wagons, this feels more like you throwing out your trs

idk what this means

Maid is tied for largest wagon with three votes thus not a universal TR.

Your "townblock" feels more like you putting your reads in as a block rather than organic play.

[Alisae]

Considering maid is tied for largest wagons, this feels more like you throwing out your trs

idk what this means

Maid is tied for largest wagon with three votes thus not a universal TR.

Your "townblock" feels more like you putting your reads in as a block rather than organic play.

Why you has sads? I wants happy people. Happysae is good Alisae.

cuz ur taking venmar's reads and how he got them completely out of context and that seems scummy to me?

[Alisae]

Cerby what are said townblocs

[Alisae]

I read Taly's ISO.
I am rather conflicted on to either A. Snap or B. Be Thankful.
I will verify what he claimed though

[Alisae]

I read Taly's ISO.
I am rather conflicted on to either A. Snap or B. Be Thankful.
I will verify what he claimed though

Taly claimed some role copy stuffs.

Yes I read that :3

[Alisae]

Also @Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum tell me where to vote.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Micc
ok give me your other reads.

Like, is Titus scum?

[Alisae]

ok Bee who am I locking town 100% of the time?

[Alisae]

ok Bee who am I locking town 100% of the time?

Are you going to read what you've missed so far?

-Cerb

Later I'll do ISO dives.
There are things that can only be seen upon replacing in/having no reads to go off of.
(Or rather easier time seeing)

pedit: Chara sure.
Lurkstrall lol ok sure.
Cerby/Drixx well, I don't remember misreading them when they randed wolf, so thats a read I can probably verify for myself.

Also where's Creature?

ok bee lastly, did you do well on your test?

[Alisae]

> Clicks Activity Overview
> See's Creature's 50 posts.

EEEEEEEh so thats where Creature is.

[Alisae]

Oh I see how it is

[Alisae]

All sacrificing me and shit
I thought we were better friends then this

[Alisae]

Actually I changed my mind I will sacrifice myself for memes.
However let me know beforehand what I'm getting into please ty.

[Alisae]

Okay I copied Micc I dunno if I should be concerned or not.

[Alisae]

Hey Chara one of Micc's abilities allows me to give you an elemental creature that can basicly vote.
I get mana for giving you a creature.
Have a creature.
Enjoy being a doublevoter :3

[Alisae]

Thats not what makes me concerned.
What does make me concerned is that during the day, Micc can steal mana from people.
Say he makes me lose all of the mana I gain during the day and I had 3 mana.
He then gains 3 mana.

I probably fucked up in the first place by claiming I copied Micc but oh well.
If he's scum, now he's forced to target a scummy person and we can leash that.

Also if anyone wants to know why I targetted Micc, I targetted Micc because when I ISO'd him, his push on my predecessor looked really scummy to me. He was basicly pushing a lot of "facts" and it didn't really come across as a read. It felt like something that was really easy to justify a push off of.

Not to mention I feel like the strength of the read given how far the day has progressed is unnaturally strong.
Like, I read it and I am concerned about how he was able to form a read of that strength so early. It makes me feel like he already has all of the answers already.

Plus, 703 is actually bad imo. I disagree with claiming to spur discussion, but that IS a town motivated thought of wanting people to talk. And it completely feels like he's not even attempting to analyze Taly's motivation. Like, what does scum!Taly have from claiming that besides towncred? Why would scum!Taly claim it in the first place? Like, it doesn't make sense for him to claim that as scum at all imo.

The whole read to me feels unnatural and agenda based so...

[Alisae]

Also Hi Chara.

[Alisae]

All's well that ends well

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae

[Alisae]

VOTE: Micc

[Alisae]

I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it.

When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part.
But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.

~B

For future use, items and shit (creatures wouldn't give us anything but enchanting my creatures would count is a clarification I never made) should go on me or a town that won't die.

We may need more votes to combat scum if there is a trend of creatures that can vote.
Since we don't want scum to collapse on us by having too many votes.


~B

@Micc

- Give your creature to Bee.
Also Chara you should vote Micc

[Alisae]

Bee in all fairness if I saw the claim I would have def given you the Creature

[Alisae]

Chara
OnTheMark (CAVEAT: if I know his identity this is a much weaker townread because my ability to read him is shit and in actuality bee's raised points mirror many of my own concerns)
Iconeum
Bronya Zaychik
Tibor and Lumia

Baku and Munna

Dunnstral
SnarkySnowman
Almost50

Venmar


Micc
Taly


Reasonably Rational (CAVEAT: IS EFFECTIVELY LYNCH-IMMUNE BEFORE D3)
Maid Cafe
Skybird


(ABSENT: Creature deliberately removed.)

Final readslist.

(Or RATHER: bee's raised points, IF I AM CORRECT ABOUT ONTHEMARK'S IDENTITY, mirror my own concerns. Not enough where I'd reverse the townread if right on his identity, but enough where I'd be greatly hesitant. Benefit of the doubt does apply though; I am willing to wager he has in fact changed his style. It's just something which...is a little concerning.
All this goes out the window if I'm incorrect on his identity; he'd just be town then, outright.)

How do we even have claims?? GAME HASN'T STARTED YET

You gonna comment on anyone’s reads or alignment?

TECHNICALLY, there is some.

Skybird, Creature, RR, Shinding D townread. Maid Café should respond to 237. I love how she bashes OTM for not responding, yet doesn't answer herself. Maid scumreading right now. Maybe lyncher - lynchee with OTM. That would be hilarious

...But if you expect me to defend Iconeum, I'm not going to because frankly I agree with the idea behind your post; I would MUCH prefer Iconeum be producing far more than this not-really-counting-as-content content.

mastina i'm not asking because i know exactly what her answer will be.

Honestly Chara, I'm going to level with you.
You could try your absolute hardest to be the most obvscum of obvscum, but as long as your role PM is actually a town one, you're still going to end up as Innocent Child levels of town.

maid cafe is town because im mirror telling them regarding their points on onthemark and because i think their questioning of mark in general was a productive exercise of scumhunting

While I find the meta point on OnTheMark to be a valid concern, literally everything else about Maid Cafe in that entire conversation is trash, and absolutely wasn't a productive exercise in scumhunting; the questions were obtuse in a way I wouldn't consider town. The entire time, I was siding with primarily Chara/OnTheMark.

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them. Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read. Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

If OTM is town (and that's quite possible) this flips scum all the time and I'll prob want to vote here

No argument from me actually. I realize that my scumreads mostly don't work; they are probably shit. Both you and Skybird aren't likely to be teamed together in spite of me scumreading you individually.

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

For the record, know how Micc was near Taly?

I won't lie and say Micc's like supertown but he is indeed a townlean so is further up from Taly now.

Tibor Taly Micc Skybird potential team?

Half of these I'd back right now btw.

I have never seen so many terrible mastina posts
I have never faced scum!mastina
I think this might be scum!mastina

[Alisae]

stopping in to say Im not town reading maid café or alisae slot so me giving maid café a vote here is out of the question. Can confirm that making the green voting elemental is my ability and that I didn't make the one in currently in play.

I also skimmed at least 15 of those pages pretty quickly but intend to sit down and organize thoughts after work tonight. I don't get the maid café vote dancing and I want to understand it so if there's an explanation someone please quote it for me.

ok but um
if you give a vote to someone town is not okay with, then you WILL be scrutinized for it.

[Alisae]

OMG! It's Alisae!! <3

We love Alisaes!!

~Kiana

Yes I love you too <3

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alisae why is beeboy town?

I would gladly answer this for you but I have 0 interest in working with you!

[Alisae]

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

[Alisae]

don't die too much there
if you die too hard I'll be sad

[Alisae]

Welcome to Alisae's Professional Guide on How to PROPERLY Play Wolf

Thank you Micc for being a wonderful test dummy!

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With this professional guide, I will teach you how to play Wolf properly in Project

M

afia! Let's get started!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 1: Attempting to dismantle townblocs at any chance possible.

Are you scum worried about town townblocing itself without you in it?
Are you afraid that page 5 townblocs will end your wolf randing mafia career?
Well fear not, I have the perfect solution for you!
All you have to do, is blatantly say I am against townblocing as shown, here

Trying to townblock on page 5 feels kinda insane to me.

I read the whole thread but most of it felt pretty meaningless. I'll be back when we can vote.

predit: oh look its mastina. looking forward to finally playing a game with you.

Upon doing this tactic ALONG with attempting to CALL OUT your scumbuddy in attempt to distance, you will prevent townblocs from ever forming again!!!!!!!!!

ok look its page 10, I get it, but its funny lol

　　　　　　　　　

Step 2: Picking Out your mislynch

To win as scum you have to lynch town. Mafia is a game where townies lunch

townies

wolves and wolves lynch

wolves

townies.
So you have to pick your mislynches in a way that helps achieve this goal.
And what a better way to start then picking the guy who's entrence mirrors yours completely!

This game is gunna be sweeeeeet.

This is absolutely scandalous.

Similar entries is a extremely scummy trait and is something that is always done by scum, so its easy to push!!!!!!!!

Blantant Misrepresentation but its funny lol

　　　　　　　　　

Step 3: Forming a Case

However, you can't push a mislynch if you don't have any thing to justify your push off of.
After all, when you push a "fact" you can then fall back on the justification you built up as a scapegoat.
Also pushing "facts" allows you to present good

IRONCLAD

reasoning.
Who cares about being right? You're a wolf!
You don't need to push reads!
Reads =/ Facts.

Luckily, you can use claims as shown here:

To my understanding, I have a very inconsistent way of acquiring mana. But primarily, two ways:

1) Not using my Planeswalker ability

2) I target someone with my Planeswalker ability. For 2 phases, I gain Mana the same way they would, and I gain their abilities. I can only do this once per dayphase.

I'm literally a temporary copy-cat.

As a good basis to push someone.
Especially if you are scared of that role and you want it gone as fast as possible.
Who needs waiting for the night to come, why not just lynch it!

Keep in mind that when you are forming your case, you have to twist the narative to not consider any town motivation.
Also, make sure the read is presented as a strong confident read, because people like to sheep those!
These things are done perfectly well here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

You CAN attempt to stand it from a town PoV.
But you don't need to do that, you're a wolf after all!
Your job is to push mislynches!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 4: Pushing the lynch

Once you picked out your mislynch, you must attempt to turn everything they stated into something that is scummy!
Because you are a wolf, you can get away with having as many unorganic, unnatural, and agenda based reads as possible!
This is perfectly done here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?

329 was terrible imo. The idea of claiming in order to spur discussion and interaction is gross. Wanting to give a public warning that his ability is ever changing and unpredictable is scum motivated preparation for later and further shows how he’s missing half the utility of the ability. Him showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to assume meaning instead of seeking clarification.

Yeah this is a good wagon. People should join.

Also when you are pushing your reads, you have to give as LITTLE to No content possible on anything else.
This is because attempting to fabricate reads and having to stick to them will come back to bite you when people analyze your PROGRESSION.
But when you DO form reads, make sure to shade as many people as possible as seen here:

@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?

On a metric of scum pings per posts I’d say Taly is leading so that’s why I’m voting there now. And there’s like one vote on the Tibor hydra right now so the wagon size is pretty irrelevant.

If this is you saying you’re up for pressuring here then sure I guess I’m in. I think the reads in the catchup post and the Almost50 vote are kinda loose. The random theory question pointed at me is super ackward and I don’t see it’s purpose at all. They both gave at least partial indication that they thought Chara “lynch town day 1” strategy was serious and I kinda rolled my eyes at that.

stopping in to say Im not town reading maid café or alisae slot so me giving maid café a vote here is out of the question. Can confirm that making the green voting elemental is my ability and that I didn't make the one in currently in play.

I also skimmed at least 15 of those pages pretty quickly but intend to sit down and organize thoughts after work tonight. I don't get the maid café vote dancing and I want to understand it so if there's an explanation someone please quote it for me.

　　　　　　　　　

Step 5: Faking your Scumhunting

As a wolf, you have to look like you are scumhunting. To do this, you push mislynches, but occasionally you have to ask questions.
How do we counter such a boring habbit?
There are two methods!

The first method is to not care about the question.
If you ask random questions and hope that people will think they are "good questions" and have 0 interest in the question, you will look like you are scumhunting. This is seen here:

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

alisae why is beeboy town?

The second method is to not care about the answer!
For example, if you are going to ask a quesiton, and the questionee provides an answer, make sure to discredit and/or scumread the answer to that question as much as possible.
As long as you have a response already made to the questionee's answer, then you are good to go. Just use that response no matter what answer they provide.
For exmaple, Micc asked me what do I think of Beeboy.
I provided my read, thinking he would not care about it, and he responds with this:

I would gladly answer this for you but I have 0 interest in working with you!

well that seems unnecessarily obtuse.

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

and this doesn't do anything for me. it being your only stated read besides sheeping beeboy on me just feels like a slap in the face.

I don't know why I thought joining a large where everybody else was buddy buddy with each other was a good idea.

This is a great example at asking loaded questions, as we can infer on how Micc responded, that he was planning on discredit the response no matter what, due to his prior scumread on Bee.

　　　　　　　　　

Conclusion

Thank you for reading my guide on how to play Wolf in Project

M

afia!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!1!11!!1
11!!1
!1
!!!!!!!11!!!1
11!1

[Alisae]

oh yeah btw cases are scummy.

[Alisae]

Then what do you make of Titus demanding I do one while at work?

FYI done with D&D and exhausted will do my best.

This question means nothing to me because its not about the concept of casing its about what's inside the case.

[Alisae]

Like
Most cases are basicly pbpa analyzing a person's ISO.
Because of this, it takes completely out of context what that person is doing,
which makes sense because well, its an ISO. You can't grab context from an ISO.

Also cases make out things which aren't scummy at all, as scummy.
In fact, they try to make it seem like everything the target does, is in fact scummy.

I see this a lot with cases that cover a person's RVS posts on D5 and saying those are alignment indicative.
Like ffs, those posts were made in the RVS phase of the game. If people thought they were AI then it would have been pushed.
Like for example "Oh, this guy's post 5 is a naked vote and that's scummy"
The attempt to suddenly spin those posts around as scummy is disingenuous.

[Alisae]

Then what do you make of Titus demanding I do one while at work?

FYI done with D&D and exhausted will do my best.

This question means nothing to me because its not about the concept of casing its about what's inside the case.

I like legit don't understand that answer.

Tipsy On The Mark is on the Case

oh hi Math

[Alisae]

Wait.
Math is

globally townread

that's not right.

[Alisae]

Wait.
Math is

globally townread

that's not right.

Hi Alisae you're town

And yeah...It's right because I am doing MU thingies...where I get townread as town and name like a billion scums in a row...It's fun! But if you like wanna make me not globally townread so I like live another day I would love that.

Its not that its just I respect your ability to wolf so having read none of your ISO at all I am kinda concerned because considering your MS rep I expect a lot more resistence and people to be pulling their hair out when trying to work with you?
Again, I haven't actually played with town you in awhile though so this impression might have changed.

[Alisae]

If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH

[Alisae]

mastina/yume

- Who did you think OTM was before they came out as MathBlade?

[Alisae]

If anyone wants to be a dear tho and give me a brief summary of important things I should know then that would be nice :3

I will be a dude for ya late tonight!

MAAAAAAAAAAAATH

Yes it's late tonight I'm doing the case promised first then your summary

ty <3

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We are pulling our hair out trying to work with OTM.

They haven't done things that make me, for example, suspect them, but they're definitely not playing in a fashion that makes it likely they'll wield any influence anytime soon.

Titus wants thoughts sans associatives, I want a succinct case on Skybird so I can try to understand what OTM sees.

-Cerb

Classic.

[Alisae]

mastina you can say goodbye to your mana btw.

[Alisae]

mastina you can say goodbye to your mana btw.

Why???

I townread Mastina+Yume

This is scum mastina I'm sorry I never seen mastina just be so wrong before and approach a game from such a scummy PoV.

[Alisae]

mastina/yume

- Who did you think OTM was before they came out as MathBlade?

Yume tell mastina to answer this at some point for me please~

[Alisae]

And like
I dunno how to explain it other then "She's probably approaching the game from a PoV of a wolf."
like I read her posts and to me they just come across as her being the informed minority.

pedit: Yes and I am scumreading mastina.

[Alisae]

And since we're the same, you're scumreading me as well, and you never do that on d1 as town.

- Phosphophyllite

Yume I need an answer to 1459 before we can really talk.
I do scumread some of your posts but the root of the scumread is mastina, and it is because of mastina I am scumreading your posts.

[Alisae]

Seriously I townread you both *sniff*

But do you townread Micc?

[Alisae]

Go ahead.

[Alisae]

Okay you can have that opinion.
pedit: Yeah that's what I think too, I just want to verify if that's the case or not.

[Alisae]

I'll see about getting caught up tomorrow, but this can't wait.

We had all of our mana stolen.

This is definitely a scum ability, given that I'm PRETTY sure that we're a fairly universal townread, soooooo.

u are so late.

[Alisae]

mastina/yume

- Who did you think OTM was before they came out as MathBlade?

Yume tell mastina to answer this at some point for me please~

mastina before you go
Just answer this one question
Plz

[Alisae]

And I got ignored.
Guess I should explain the part of my mastina read I can actually explain then hold on.

[Alisae]

eh I thought there was something in Civ's scum PT that covered what I'm about to cover but I guess not.
All of the post mentioned below kinda give me the feel that when mastina figured out that Mark was indeed MathBlade, she then changed her approach to the slot and told Yume to attempt to gaslight Math. I remember this specificly being the approach she wanted Jae to use on Math in Civ so I figured she would attempt it again (or atleast tell Yume to make an attempt to attempt it) in the event her guess was correct.

Spoiler: Gaslighty Posts

The reason I say that is people will make assumptions based on their role PMs. This is a Varsoon game. That means heads out of mechanics and eyes on the prize lynching scum.

How do you say this stuff and town read mastina for having a role.
~B

How do you say this stuff and yet post post 88?

I wanted to be scum because I'm stronger as scum. Why y no give me scum?

- Phosphophyllite

I don't get this, some of your recent best have been town games
Unless this is the wrong head then nvm
~Lumia

Phos is Yume.
Yume is an amazingly strong scum player.
I think the more she hydras with Mastina the better town player she becomes.
Like if the strength of a Mastina/Yume hybrid manifested itself it'd have the right to brag about it's torn muscle shirt from all the strength.

Why else did you think I offered?
- Phosphophyllite

As for RR, the patented Phosphophyllite test is that unless they bring actual read to the main thread, you hang them and you look happy doing it. Not into any PTs alone. Into the main thread. You cannot fail in this way.

- Phosphophyllite

+1 sub

?

[Alisae]

Actually, she though Mark was someone else, so your point is invalid.

- Phosphophyllite

OKAY THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION WHO DID SHE THINK SHE WAS.
Like I'll concede on the point sure I just want a fucking answer is that so much to ask for?

[Alisae]

Like fuck I never knew answering a question is so dam hard :/

[Alisae]

Huh ok
I concede the point.

[Alisae]

Tbh I'm tempted to just use the Elli tell for Brass and move on.

[Alisae]

{mastina, Micc, Tibor}
Just need one more :3

[Alisae]

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

[Alisae]

It's not hoarding its moreso denial.

[Alisae]

I mean
If you WANT to take it back you can
It would just make me not happy and would probably want me to lynch you more
Plus considering you just unvoted me, that wouldn't make very much sense to steal the mana from me now would it?

[Alisae]

In all seriousness as soon as I got the mana I spent it on an instant card,
I'll go into what that is on D2

[Alisae]

In all seriousness as soon as I got the mana I spent it on an instant card,
I'll go into what that is on D2

You realize mana doesn’t carry over yeah?

I got the mana
I spent it as soon as I got it.
It's not carrying over :/

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yeah, alisae is town

am i the only one that thinks 1515 and 1516 by tibor is mostly noise/fluff?

Tbh I'm tempted to just use the Elli tell for Brass and move on.

i am interested in these services that you may have to offer

The 2012 Elli tell is "People who are active in al games but one is scum in said game."
Brasshearld is alive in games and is posting in those games but is not posting in this game.

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bronya's buddying of alisae on page 58 gives me

shudders

pedit: o shit, there it is, the cerb discredit. do you actually believe i have been completely useless? do you even read my posts?

I am having a hard time thinking if its AI or not tbh.
I love both Kiana and Titus so its reasonable for them to give me such a greeting but it does wierd me out?
Eh I'm not really focused on it and thinking about it is just going to give me a headache

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@OTM: Reasons for suspecting Sky bird make sense, particularly the lack of follow-up in the inquiries she makes. I dislike the "feel"/interpretative parts of the case, where you say a certain action is her doing something, but her not doing things makes sense to me. How does all this relate to Iconeum?

@Yume: roles were created before alignments were assigned, Alisae certainly isn't scum because she has a mana stealing ability, AND that ability isn't even hers, it came from Micc, so even if the ability were AI, it would indicate Micc was scum. I don't particularly like that she immediately used it to steal from you, Alisae seems like largely a loose cannon when it comes to using powers, but I wouldn't say any of it makes her likely scum.

@Micc: can you(or anyone else, I suppose) explain the Venmar townread in a way that doesn't reference gut or feelings?

-Cerb

Will type up the Iconeum answer later. And Venmar

Can you please express why you don’t townread Venmar?

Because no reason to town read Venmar exists. He's done effectively nothing but ask to be the second biggest wagon at day end.

-Cerb

I townread Venmar's posts on this page I like them

[Alisae]

I don't think a readwall is hard it's just time consuming. But I think it would be much more productive if you put that time to making a readwall for Titus instead of a haphazard Skybird push, it takes the same amount of time but one has more benefits than the other.

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(PlayerName): I think (PlayerName) is Town/Scum/Null. This is because (Reason A)... and this can be seen from (Evidence A). (Reason A) is alignment indicative of Town/Scum because (Town/Scum Agenda A) Also, (Reason B), which can be seen from (Evidence B). This makes (PlayerName) even more likely to be Town/Scum because (Town/Scum Agenda B).

Rinse and repeat for all 17 players in the game and you got yourself a readwall. Probably would take less time than arguing to Titus about Skybird. But will make you so much more of an asset to town.

~Kiana

The above picture is what I do IN MY HEAD. I can't just put it into a sound byte for you or Titus. That's not how I function. I will redo my case in Alisae format because that's something I CAN do.

But until flips emerge figuring out WHICH world it is is nigh on impossible. Sky is scum in almost all of them and I see no town motivation for any of her posts. Until someone counters what I've argued I see no reason to change my mind. And just because I don't change my mind because Titus asks doesn't mean I'm not listening.

locktown

[Alisae]

Who are the scum?

Spoiler:

Welcome to Alisae's Professional Guide

repurposed by MathBlade for Kiana

on How to PROPERLY Play Wolf

Thank you

Micc

Skybird for being a wonderful

test dummy

second case!

---

With this professional guide, I will teach you how to play Wolf properly in Project

M

afia! Let's get started!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 1: Attempting to dismantle townblocs at any chance possible.

Are you scum worried about town townblocing itself without you in it

or two strong town working together

?

All you have to do is just make is enhance a discussion that's going on with those two players without actually having a strong enough opinion yourself.

Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10020002




　　　　　　　　　

Step 2: Picking Out your mislynch

To win as scum you have to lynch town. Mafia is a game where townies lynch

townies

wolves and wolves lynch

wolves

townies.
So you have to pick your mislynches in a way that helps achieve this goal.
And what better way to do this then to pick two townies who are fighting that you want gone. It's a twofer!

Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10020002

Blatant inaction of her beliefs later is a huge plus.

　　　　　　　　　

Step 3: Forming a Case

However, you can't push a mislynch if you don't have any thing to justify your push off of.
After all, when you push a "fact" you can then fall back on the justification you built up as a scapegoat.
Also pushing "facts" allows you to present good

IRONCLAD

reasoning.
Who cares about being right? You're a wolf!
You don't need to push reads!
Reads =/ Facts.

Luckily, you can use claims as shown here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10021837



As a good basis to push someone.
Especially if you are scared of that role and you want it gone as fast as possible

and you have no idea what the role does

.
Who needs waiting for the night to come, why not just lynch it!

Keep in mind that when you are forming your case, you have to twist the narative to not consider any town motivation.
Also, make sure the read is presented as a strong confident read, because people like to sheep those!
These things are done perfectly well in 381:

You CAN attempt to stand it from a town PoV.
But you don't need to do that, you're a wolf after all!
Your job is to push mislynches!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 4: Pushing the lynch

Once you picked out your mislynch, you must attempt to turn everything they stated into something that is scummy!
Because you are a wolf, you can get away with having as many unorganic, unnatural, and agenda based reads as possible!
This is perfectly done here:

1059 was terrible IMO. The idea that because MC's mana generation method seems complicated is not based on anything MC is doing in thread, but is more towards not understanding how the mana claim works so she can manipulate it. She doesn't actually say anything towards with Beeboy is doing is scummy. Wanting to give an open ended question like that also makes other people more likely to talk about their mana claims and abilities as well. I'm kinda proud of some people for not going "Yeah, I think that's right because I generate mana simply or That sucks because mine requires climbing up Mount Everest three times then walking through the pits of hell". Skybird is also showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to

assume meaning

reread instead of seeking clarification.

Also when you are pushing your reads, you have to give as LITTLE to No content possible on anything else.
This is because attempting to fabricate reads and having to stick to them will come back to bite you when people analyze your PROGRESSION.
But when you DO form reads, make sure to shade as many people as possible as seen here

OR just not provide any reasons and just spam the same person over and over again

:

Just see all of Skybird's ISO for pretty much non stop tunnelling on Maid Cafe, yet Titus/Kiana don't read as a derp tunnel despite Skybird having like no reasons hooray!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 5: Faking your Scumhunting

As a wolf, you have to look like you are scumhunting. To do this, you push mislynches, but occasionally you have to ask questions.
How do we counter such a boring habbit?
There are two methods!

The first method is to not care about the question.
If you ask random questions and hope that people will think they are "good questions" and have 0 interest in the question, you will look like you are scumhunting. This is seen here:

280 asks about MC and then only cares if I believe it, much later. Not the thread.

The second method is to not care about the answer!
For example, if you are going to ask a quesiton, and the questionee provides an answer, make sure to discredit and/or scumread the answer to that question as much as possible.
As long as you have a response already made to the questionee's answer, then you are good to go. Just use that response no matter what answer they provide.

Or just never do anything about it and go back to actively lurking. Example incoming

Asking if a Varsoon post is available then never following it up, then with an AtE appeal of "oh don't mislynch me" rather than actually trying to see if MC was confirmed scum. If a townread player made a scumslip that's something I'd genuinely look at. However when Cerb and Skybird both don't follow up it's rather weird.

This is a great example the many times Skybird hasn't had opinion or hasn't followed through on jackshit.

　　　　　　　　　

Conclusion

Thank you for reading

my

Alisae's repurposed guide on how to play Wolf in Project

M

afia!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!1!11!!1
11!!1
!1
!!!!!!!11!!!1
11!1

lol funny post

You should see the original I did for Micc!

[Alisae]

Hey just an update that brass isn't feeling to good and might replace out. In the meantime does anyone want me to comment on anything?
~Lumia

rand wolf replace the fuck out
I understand I understand :3

[Alisae]

I'll read the fight later if I feel like it cuz I'm on my ipad.

[Alisae]

Meh, I think Taly is town.

I AM THE TALY SLOT

[Alisae]

Okay reading this fight does nothing but give me a headache when it comes to sorting the Titus slot :/

[Alisae]

Oh lol, lucky you

Can you tell me what you think of Micc?

[Alisae]

I have been studying that as much as I can imo (and probably will do so some more today)
What do you think of Micc?

[Alisae]

Lolyou

[Alisae]

OTM - Locktown
Bee - Locktown
Chara - Locktown
Venmar - I townread it
LolSnowman - I townread it
A50 - I think this is town?

RR - Townleaning but ultimately have no opinion, and I think its better this way.
Creature - Is Creature locktown yet I should be able to tell but I'm incompetent.

Dunn - Lol
Random - Haven't read a single post.
Skyburd - Haven't read a single post.

Titus - Headaches
Icon - Could be scum

Mastina - DIE THE DEATH
Libor - SENTENCE TO DEATH
Micc - GREAT EQUALIZER IS THE DEATH

[Alisae]

Actually
Let me ask Creature

Hey Creature should I be locktowning you?

[Alisae]

Okay you can be locktown.

[Alisae]

EASY
WELL DONE
SCUM MASTER CREATURE

[Alisae]

Btw for the purposes of full disclosure--Yume did in fact inform me that Alisae was in the game and replaced Taly, though she didn't tell me anything except that Alisae was scum more or less. I backed her up though because that is in fact quite likely.

I think mastina scumreading me no matter what her alignment is makes an IC

[Alisae]

I guess I should rephrase that.
if mastina is scum she wants to push me as a mislynch
if mastina is town she hasn't read me correctly as town in a long long time.
Therefore I am now an IC.

[Alisae]

dw mastina
your Ali tells will work eventually
just gotta keep on praying!

[Alisae]

Why is it that literally only my scumreads (e.g. Maid Cafe, Reasonably Rational) make reference to the planes and yet literally nobody else is talking about them?

What a terrible concern.

[Alisae]

I know nothing about MtG
the only TCG I have extensive knowledge about is YGO
its a terrible TCG btw don't play it.

[Alisae]

Actually now that I think about it the Elli tell can apply to Dunn as well.

[Alisae]

sigh
I am trying to analyze Dunn's activity in general to see if I can get anything over multiple completed games.
I am S U F F E R I N G

[Alisae]

Hey Alisae why is it better that you have no opinion about my slot?

-Cerb

I think reading your hydra is actually quite easy.
If I was around from the beginning of the game, I probably could have your alignment locked in easily.
However because I replaced in, I feel like attempting to get a read on your slot is going to be a lot harder.
So instead of trying to read your ISO, I'm going to either
A. wait until I see something that I can point to and say "OOH OOH! Yeah that's definitely {town/scum}"
or
B. wait till later in the game.


Also, I would like Drixx to say hi :3

[Alisae]

the more i think about baku and munna's "i'm paranoid you want me to vote you" and "Chara is scum hiding behind its gambit" and "i want to interact with Math and think the wagon has more worth than Chara" the more i want to lynch Baku and Munna. but you people are townreading them.

I mean I won't say no.
But um
what do you think of Micc?

[Alisae]

Hey Alisae why is it better that you have no opinion about my slot?

-Cerb

I think reading your hydra is actually quite easy.
If I was around from the beginning of the game, I probably could have your alignment locked in easily.
However because I replaced in, I feel like attempting to get a read on your slot is going to be a lot harder.
So instead of trying to read your ISO, I'm going to either
A. wait until I see something that I can point to and say "OOH OOH! Yeah that's definitely {town/scum}"
or
B. wait till later in the game.


Also, I would like Drixx to say hi :3

Drixx won't even say hi to me. I'd be worried, except he's been disappearing on me a lot more often lately.

-Cerb

Yeah imo I can tell.

[Alisae]

CHARA
TALK
TO
ME

[Alisae]

You know, as I read more of what mastina is saying, I'm starting to feel like she isn't actually scumreading our slot, she's just posturing as though she scumreads us because she knows that she always scumreads us, and it would therefore make it harder for her to get things done if she didn't scumread us.

Does that make sense? I'm not even saying I think it's a scum decision, to be clear. I'm saying it's a reasonable decision to make with regards to getting us to work with their slot.

-Cerb

<Ｏ ｈ, ｖ ｅ ｒ ｙ Ｇ Ｏ Ｏ Ｄ ！！>

[Alisae]

Champion of the Parish is now voting Shining Dreamers.
Shining Dreamers currently has 2 votes against them.

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

Get back on Micc.

And Math I give up.
You're completely missing my point completely and if you're not going to read where I fully explained my point, then I'm just beating my head against a wall.

Why do you townread mastina?

I did read your point. That’s what I got out of it.

I townread Martina because of her claim and the fact she’s posting right now.

Scumstina would just watch the carnage. Scumstina is a huge lurker.

Role =/ Alignment
And thats a wrong impression because here's the thing about playing scum.
If you want to WIN the game, you have to push your agenda.
That means you have to post.
And if you want to prevent your own wagon from happening, that means you have to post.

Not to mention mastina has to lurk because the pace is too much for her and she HAS read the game because she feels as if she doesn't read the game she can't talk about anything.
It's not alignment indicative its pace indicative.

[Alisae]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

[Alisae]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

we want the hood outed not because we think scum exist in it.
We want it outed because we want to know who is in the hood and scum if they ARE in the hood already know who is in it.

[Alisae]

ALSO
IF MASTINA ACTUALLY FLIPS TOWN
IF THAT UNIVERSE SOMEHOW MAGICALLY EXISTS
THEN GUESS WHAT
THEN SHE FUCKING DESERVED IT BECAUSE HER PLAY HERE IS FUCKING TERRIBLE
HER READS ARE TERRIBLE
EVERYTHING ABOUT HER PLAY HERE IS TERRIBLE.

GOOD NIGHT
VOTE MASTINA
THANK YOU
HAVE A NICE FUCKING DAY.

[Alisae]

Yes please

[Alisae]

WHATS THIS
GAMMA EMERALD WAS A WOLF?????????
NO WAAAAAAAY
I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSEDf

[Alisae]

ILU Varsoon I'm sorry things kept getting in the way of the game.

Gamma, shooting your own teammate was going to give you a .01% chance of winning. I would have lynched you in LYLO, but not before then, after Chara was able to see that you actually did redirect a kill and didn't just perform one. IDK what everyone else would have done though.

Random, why did you have to be bad?

I was going to give them 0 chance of winning because I don’t care.

[Alisae]

tfw me and claire caught the team day 2.

Yes you did you hardcarried the village good job beebuddy will you marry me I love you so much

[Alisae]

I want PT's opened!!! I wanna read things! I'm at work being ineffective, let me read mafia instead!

Yes let me read the scumteam freaking out over Bee just being a god at this game.

[Alisae]

Its because you’re a really easy read

[Alisae]

I think

Ali/I

are strong together

Hopefully I don't annoy the shit out of them too much tho XP

I carried you

[Alisae]

Like I took all of your fuckups and made it into a somewhat workable situation and then skyrocketted our slots towiness.

[Alisae]

I’m referring to Taly claiming for apparently no reason

[Alisae]

Dude
its been months
I highly doubt people will care just do it