VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Iconeum]

How have you guys pooped out 11 pages in pregame...

[Iconeum]

Skybird, Creature, RR, Shinding D townread.

Maid Café should respond to 237. I love how she bashes OTM for not responding, yet doesn't answer herself.

Maid scumreading right now. Maybe lyncher - lynchee with OTM. That would be hilarious

[Iconeum]

How do we even have claims?? GAME HASN'T STARTED YET

[Iconeum]

How do we even have claims?? GAME HASN'T STARTED YET

You gonna comment on anyone’s reads or alignment? Or just do the exact thing I just called out as scummy as fuck?

I gave reads myself. Im trying to stop this turning into massclaim before the has evenbegun ffs

What was scummy about me making a readlist?

[Iconeum]

Explanation behind my early town reads:
Sky: 260
Creature: 112 157
RR: 13 83 85 212
Shining D: 234 236 237

I like to work by ISO, and I believe these posts give at the very least a townlean on these slots.

Main course coming up soon!

[Iconeum]

Maid read:

Spoiler:

I want Mastina or Yume to fully claim the ability they mentioned in thread btw.
~B

Rolefishing, requesting full claim

I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it.

When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part.
But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.
~B

After requesting full claim, goes on and semi-claims herself

mastina's claim was anti town yes but anti town doesn't=scummy it was purely NAI she would've claimed that as mafia and town to help whatever side she's on gain an advantage the fact this is a topic of debate is silly
~Maki

Anti-town, but NAI? Selling the idea that the claim was anti-town is per definition AI.

Answered mentioned investigative roles

You haven't mentioned investigative roles this game a single time?

~B

1st mention

What does that have to do with investigative roles?

~B

2nd mention

I mean I don't know why you are getting snarky.
You really didn't mention investigative roles in anyway.

~B

3rd mention

That's not an investigative claim?

~B

4th mention

Did it seriously take you 4 pages to say you thought Mastina claimed an investigative role.

~B

5th mention on investigative ability... Why are you drawing that much attention to that?

I've seen you play on MU.

I just really think it's different, it's not like "Hey town cerb how is it hanging let's town bloc up"
It's more like "Yay Cerb did X and is town, how's it going let's townbloc up".
Like you'd be communicating your reads as you go in a more meaningful way then just outright stating them.

~B

That difference is so very subtle, and I don't see it. This is very nitpicky

FP'd a bunch

Maid, what post made by Sky is 'the worst in the game'?

[Iconeum]

Next up, Chara and OTM!

[Iconeum]

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

worst post in the game

Really want to talk about this one! This is the one that makes me townread Skybird.

He get's his opinion in on the 1v1 between Maid and OTM, takes a stance, and backs it with a reasoning.

I don't see it as a terrible post at all.

[Iconeum]

I would appreciate if all hydra's sigged their heads please?

[Iconeum]

Skybird, Creature, RR, Shinding D townread.

Maid Café should respond to 237. I love how she bashes OTM for not responding, yet doesn't answer herself.

Maid scumreading right now. Maybe lyncher - lynchee with OTM. That would be hilarious

why is Maki supposed to answer a question directed at beeboy?

unrelated to the above: i'm scumreading this.

The question is directed at Maki, it's related to the question at beeboy. Maid gives crap to OTM for not responding, but fails to respond herself.

[Iconeum]

Chara:

Spoiler:

hey, let's everybody all claim how they get mana! that's a great idea.

Venmar: neither. Varsoon has an established meta of punishing claims, is what i'm saying.

To my understanding, I have a very inconsistent way of acquiring mana. But primarily, two ways:

1) Not using my Planeswalker ability

2) I target someone with my Planeswalker ability. For 2 phases, I gain Mana the same way they would, and I gain their abilities. I can only do this once per dayphase.

I'm literally a temporary copy-cat.

i was......... kidding, Taly. did you miss my other posts on why claiming is anti-town?

it informs scum. it would be fine to claim later and confusion would easily be avoided that way.
anyway, it doesn't matter now.

this is my last, desperate call into an uncaring universe: please stop claiming, everyone.

...right. i knew that. because i received one. sorry about that.

also, i counterclaim Venmar's mana-farming method. wagon me instead.

It's hard to sort this slot for me because I really like the anti-claiming effort that it's pushing, but at the same time claims and 'counterclaims' a mana gaining method...

We'll see what happens.

[Iconeum]

OTM townread because of reasons. Overal questioning and providing reads, liking the interactions

[Iconeum]

hi

hi

have anything to share with us?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?

[Iconeum]

Iconeum: in what way did you indicate that the question was for Maki? you're quoting beeboy and you used "you". i also just think that pointing out an instance of hypocrisy and calling it scumhunting is lazy.

Look, I really wanna explain anything thrown at me, but I don't see it. I don't think I quoted beeboy anywhere?
I refered to a question asked by Shining D directed at Maid in 237.

At that time, Maid was giving shit to OTM for not responding and I'm holding Maid to the standards she's setting. I'm actually interested in the actual answer she hasn't provided yet.
What is more lazy here, ignoring the fact she's ignoring questions or calling it out?

[Iconeum]

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

Ugh. I had a similar discussion about the 'benefits' of not lynching scum D1, but to

actively

lynch town is counterproductive.
While I don't disagree with the theorie behind this, I believe it's a stronger play to persue the scumhunt and lynch accordingly.

[Iconeum]

hey, this argument is pointless, can we nix it. you're talking around each other. Mark's underlined bit means investigative roles to them, and his logic on this has been consistent. i don't think any more semantics are going to help.

I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it. When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part. But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.
~B

I am fairly certain this is a >random scum ability.

Not just from a game design perspective, but from a Varsoon game design perspective.

It's the kind which

could

come from town, admittedly, yes. But it is still far >random odds of being a scum ability.

Claiming it openly does nothing to lessen that.

are people incapable of reading game mechanics?

ok so preliminary reads. I reckon Maid Cafe is town. i was agreeing to a large extent on their push on Mark. gonna put mark as a scumlean for now.
however, i am more confident in my scumlean on chara. they are townsignalling without actually generating any content. Seems like a better LAMIST.
RR is already a townread but i put very little stock in that bc i always tr them
venmar is a townlean, i respect the shitpost.
those were my main opinions on what I've read so far, will confer with Shiro before going more in depth.

Has this read evolved? Can you show what parts about the push on Mark you actually liked?
I feel Chara has made positive content, so I don't see the LAMIST part.

[Iconeum]

OTM, what's up with Skybird and you?
What's so special that you are calling attention to your vote on him?

I liked his opening 260, 381 feels genuine, 512 is a copy of my feelings, and 669 is defending the 'let's not purposefully lynch townie over scum' side in the discussion.

I'd only blame him for not pushing his reads harder, but this game is so big that's not an easy thing to do. I'm guilty of this myself.


Where is your vote on him coming from, OTM?

[Iconeum]

Hard-townreading OTM. His 1v1 with Tibor and Lumia, I believe it could be a TVS fight. I feel like T&L were trying to find all kinds of reaons to shade OTM, even trying to use activity as a scum indicator.

[Iconeum]

Venmar, who do you read as scum in this game?
Other then voting yourself 'for mana gain', you are voting Tibor because the slot went against purposefully lynching townie D1 as a general strategy... Of all things Tibor hydra posted, that's like the one thing I really liked about him.

[Iconeum]

Can anyone explain to me why there are so few scumreads on Chara?
A fake miller claim and a push to lynch town D1 'for the good of town' make this a scumread for me.

[Iconeum]

Going through Chara ISO, it's all about steering conversation towards a fake claim and about how it's better to lynch town. For the latter, iteven mentions 2 different reasons:
-More likely for town to win the game
-powering up own slot

Even more, out of all players it choses OTM as the sacrificial townie to be lynched. One of the more widely accepted townreads.

Rereading, there is 0 motivation to make a towncohesion. There are no reads expressed, and a naked vote on Skybird in 803.
It mentions skybird a bunch of times, but never takes the effort to actually dig into the case. There is very little overal commitment to reads.

VOTE: Chara

[Iconeum]

There was also the anti-claiming campaign, while (fake)claiming which doesn't make sense.

[Iconeum]

Well that doesn't help me townread the slot.

I agree that it sounds like an overly complicated way to gain mana, seeing how straightforward my own is. But this is just more speculation and I don't wanna go there at this point.

[Iconeum]

Reasoning for Chara townread?

[Iconeum]

Bck on monday

[Iconeum]

50!! pages to catch up to, give me a couple hours wtf

[Iconeum]

I'm disliking the read evolution of Shining D on myself. It started with a strong townread before I even posted, and switched to scumread once I started posting. There is no indication that anything changed, and I don't believe I've done anything spectacular to make them townreading me again yet I'm way up on the readlist they posted.

There's also very little effort from Shining D in the PT to sort Sky and myself out.

VOTE: shining D

[Iconeum]

Buddying Sky in PT is a big word for it. I tried to allign all of our reads and votes to see what would happen.
What I said about Shining D read evolution is my contribution to the case on the slot.

I suppose Sky could confirm what i'm saying about said evolution because that information is not available here...

[Iconeum]

I know my play has been underwhelming this game, but I really can't help it. First time in a game this size, and I'm having actual trouble keeping up the pace.

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I cannot believe Purple Heart/Shining D is a tvt fight, I feel it is TvS. In that scenario, I'd be lynching Shining D over Purple Heart and upon a town flip, lynch Purple Heart.
The lack of effort in the PT by mastina to sell us the scum!Alisea lynch, and the strange 'townread before I posted' + the strange 'scumread on Skybird' before posted is enough for me.

I'm also questioning RR for his opportunistic attack on OTM, i've had a pretty solid townread on OTM and it really felt like attemting to shade the slot.
2876 RR begins shading OTM, for underwhelming reasons. Calling that an awful post but continuing to quote others regarding games isn't very impressive.

After reading RR's iso (hoping i didn't miss anything), I feel the slot is dancing around Shining D's wagon. Not trying to stop it, not pushing it, just keeping distance. Of all things, RR chooses to attack OTM.

I'm pushing RR after we lynch Shining D.

[Iconeum]

Iconeum: sort of townreading it. just a little. whalere are your thoughts on me right now, Ico?

I would have lynched you if there was actual support for it. Yet for some reason a lot of players believe the fake claim and pushing a town lynch strategy = Chara town

Your readlist in 1719 is also something that bothers me. RR and Shining D is way too high, and Skybird way too low. I also don't see you pushing baku and muna (lowest on your list), so in all I really don't like your slot.

Shining D flip would provide me with more information, and there is literally no support to push you, so that's the reason I'm not. Yet.

[Iconeum]

Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

So what you are opting is we lynch the weaker players first, because they have less impact on the game if we are wrong. What you are also suggesting is that I ignore my reads if they are on stronger players.

I'm not going to adjust my reads/preferred lynches on 'strength' of player.

[Iconeum]

vla, back on monday

[Iconeum]

How sure are you that gamma is in a team with Baku?

2042
2061
2072

3237 also doesn't feel forced, I believe this claim comes from town

[Iconeum]

I'm still behind a bit with catching up, and having been sick didn't help.
My scumreads are a bit vague, but I have a fairly good feeling on town:

Iconeum, Skybird, Chara, Purple Heart, RR. I'm putting Chara in here, despite earlier scumread. I just can't see scum actually playing like that...
This is what I would call town with reasonable assurance at this point.

[Iconeum]

Dunstrall's first 8 posts are all NAI, not a single one talks about the game or the players. In 2269 he gives his first read on Maid Cafe town/Skybird unknown. Promises to take a look at these 2, never follows this up.

Next posts are all 3-4 word non-engaging posts like 2271, 2384 and 2453. This time could have been spent researching the MC/Skybird slots as promised but chooses to post that crap.

Next post that does anything is claiming unlynchable, which does nothing but distract. Never comments on reads, no votes, overall I'm not feeling any care for sorting.

VOTE: Dunstrall

There hasn't been a vote count after Skybirds vote on Dun, so let's see what happens. If we don't (or can't ) lynch him today, I want to see him lynched tomorrow.

[Iconeum]

It lacks town motivation

[Iconeum]

Icon can I interest you in {Baku, A50, Gamma, Venmar, nancy}?
If not I would atleast like you to provide a defense for them.

~Ali
pedit: loltaly I'll tell him to fix it.

A50 wants to lynch inside this pool, too. I doubt scum would be calling this kind of attention to oneself over a stolen vote and everything surrounding that. Meh.

[Iconeum]

I've been holding off voting anyone until we know which way things are going with Chara's puzzles. I'm fine with an A50 lynch and plan on placing my vote there.

@Chara, just let me know when you are ready for the day to end.

Why wouldn't you be fine with lynching a guilty?

Is Chara gonna go through the entire playerbase, solving the puzzle?
I'm seeing possible stalling manoeuveres by scum?

[Iconeum]

I thought I read that Chara needs every player in the PT (accessed by solving the puzzle)?
Why would scum not try to stall solving as long as possible?

[Iconeum]

Icon do you think nancy's frustration with getting a jigsaw puzzle and potentially dieing over not being able to solve the jigsaw puzzle quick enough is faked?

The thought has crossed my mind.

[Iconeum]

I mean, I don't think scum is gonna be eager to release an IC in this game, and especially not one with 'additional powers'.

And if scum is gonna stall solving it, I think doing it like Nancy is how to do it.

[Iconeum]

Does Chara know what puzzle is being solved? Like, in detail?

[Iconeum]

So, what happens when the everyone has solved the puzzle, and Chara is not declared IC?

[Iconeum]

So, anybody have any thoughts on why nobody(but me, and Chara, who will hopefully be IC soon) has fought the idea of A50 scum? It makes me leery that scum are just accepting this if it's true. :-/

-Cerb

I'm wondering the same thing about Chara, why nobody is opposing the completion of the puzzles.

[Iconeum]

I just don't know. But if you add it all up:

-Fake claiming
-Pushing town lynch D1
-Now puzzle shenanigans

The good part is that the puzzle thing should resolve itself, by either being declared IC or being our lynch.
Now, what happens if Chara isn't declared an IC after puzzle resolve? Sure, we say we lynch there but then you don't lynch the guilty.

[Iconeum]

Seeing how the last few puzzle solvers took DAYS to complete it, how do you guys figure I get it done with just 2 days left on the clock, and the previous puzzle being unsolved?

[Iconeum]

How about testing the guilty claim, and continuing with the puzzle next day?

[Iconeum]

well if you want me to complete it over night phase, stall until deadline then hammer giving me 48 hours to work starting Monday...

I rarely have sufficient time during weekends.

[Iconeum]

I got a riddle, not a puzzle.
Unlimited answers, i can ask for help.

Real name for this game?

Not mtg
Not undertale
Not 'does not have a real name'

[Iconeum]

Limited access during weekend. Ill try.

Im sending in all answers posted here

[Iconeum]

Ji posted here immediqtly upon reading the pm.

Sent in multiverse and planechaser

[Iconeum]

I send in multiples at once. But im not typing over all these guesses on phond

[Iconeum]

Ar prev puzzles clue?

[Iconeum]

Hi could give you something big or little instead i prese t you with a riddle
Whqt is the actual name of this mafia game

Asked about jn game guesses and sent in some answers

[Iconeum]

I did solve the riddle, only it was already night. I gave a fair warning that I'd not have time during the weekend (I never do) to actually solve it. No PT with Chara.

The mod received

every single answer

posted here when I had the actual time, and it was indeed Varsoon Variety Hour (guessed by no other then Chara).

I was/am in fact opposed to 'simply' solving all those puzzles and riddles. I always had a feeling that there would be no IC declared today, as I mentioned multiple times in the Skybird PT. I also said there that I'd want to be lynching Chara today, but it might not actually be the best move because obv third party.

Chara has been lying all game long here. Is anyone actually surprised that might have happened again?
If you think Chara is third party, how can it be declared IC?

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I'm fine with either Titan or Parliament.
Titan is a safer and valueble option, while Parliament is a high risk-high reward strategy depending on who is picked for the PT.

[Iconeum]

I confirm I was unable to perform night action for 'taking too long' at solving the riddle.
What I did get was confirmation I solved the puzzle during the night phase.

[Iconeum]

JABURO, Earth Federation Mobile Suits are all immune to being destroyed.
MURASAME, Earth Federation players may use Pilot role card abilities even if they are piloting a Mobile Suit.
EVACUATION, Earth Federation players that die will continue to be able to post in the main game thread, but will not count as living players for any other reason.

The reasoning was basically that having both actions would be most useful (iconeum)
Skybird just agreed with that.

Evactuation really seems like the best option among all of them. The most protown, that is.


Icon, more justification?

-Cerb

I actually also said in our PT that I was worried about what scum strategem could do, and I was right. Holy sweet donkeyballs, a no lynch and double NK?

So my reasoning was that town need all the power we can get to counter scum, and having access to both our abilities would be very usefull. This guarantees myself and my personal IC our powers.
I don't think treestumps are that usefull.

There is litle to no discussion about the actual powers because of Firebringer's presence in the PT.

[Iconeum]

What? Why are we trying to nolynch?

Townslip, seems real.

[Iconeum]

Titus, Reasonably Rational, Gamma Emerald, & Baku and Munna.

This is useful information

Don't end the day phase yet, is there any way for us to advance the game year? The UC

Out of this list, gamma is the next lynch. I'm curious though, and gonna need to reread who the main supporters of our strategem were. We chose it to get confirmation about our next lynch, and are directly countered by not only a No Lynch but 2 NK's on top of it.

There must have been scum support for the chosen strategem.

[Iconeum]

I like drama.

Also, just want to point out the obvious here: all town players in the PT created by the strategem are now NK immune.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: End Day