VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Purple Heart]

Taly wanted to come back
I said sure
what is the worst that can happen.

[Purple Heart]

I know thats why your disapointed.
He's like
the worst mod ever
gosh
can't even pagetop correctly.

[Purple Heart]

Taly wanted to come back
I said sure
what is the worst that can happen.

Life happened, and my absence like this will not be a trend at all.

This head is going to read through the thread again and will productively post soon.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

AKA making an excuse to lurk and get away with it.

Oh look more scumposting.
Hell all of the posts directed to Bee is high quality scumposting.

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grand themes: what knowledge the scum has about the setup that town does not, and how they use it.

Hint:

@everyone also important note, if you have the ability to kill another player please opt to use another card if possible.
There are 8 planes to see across 8 days and I want to visit all of them.
~B

Why is it that literally only my scumreads (e.g. Maid Cafe, Reasonably Rational) make reference to the planes and yet literally nobody else is talking about them?

Nothing anywhere as far as I can tell indicates planes are in any way shape or form actually important.
And yet......

Litterally walking obvscum.
You cannot obvscum harder then this.
You just
can't.

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@Creature: can you save your lie detect please? I want to claim something once I get Drixx's approval, and I think it would be best if you were able to check it.

-Cerb

pedit:

Holy shit Mastin.

Seriously?

One fucking sec.

She's scum imo.

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No, it's shit like that which makes me think she doesn't actually scumread me. I don't think mastin actually uses that shit as a point against my slot if she's legitimately trying to get me lynched at some point.

-Cerb

Ok but like
mastina is literally open wolfing and claiming scum in every possible post she can.

[Purple Heart]

eh i think im going to change my vote to the guy that has been all voice and... that's it

vote: reasonably rational

BUT CAN I INTEREST YOU
IN MICC?

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So, Venmar, why now and not earlier?

-Cerb

because it's silly now

eh i think im going to change my vote to the guy that has been all voice and... that's it

vote: reasonably rational

BUT CAN I INTEREST YOU
IN MICC?

for 2 anime coins, maybe

I will gladly give you two anime coins.

[Purple Heart]

Creature might actually be scum this game.

oh hell no.


btw scum!creature has 10 posts not 66 posts
tbf I do wish the number of posts he had was bigger though.

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Yes but it's that very same process which would lead me to think that planes aren't important--if V reached a point where he was forced to make up a new plane, that would mean that there couldn't exactly be pre-planned game mechanics for said made up ninth plane, now, could it? As a result, that would mean planes mean little to nothing...

Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.

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My point is that because there are no "hints" refering to a 9th plane
said 9th plane does not exist.

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Yes but it's that very same process which would lead me to think that planes aren't important--if V reached a point where he was forced to make up a new plane, that would mean that there couldn't exactly be pre-planned game mechanics for said made up ninth plane, now, could it? As a result, that would mean planes mean little to nothing...

Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.

Knox's 8th

The detective must not light on any clues are not instantly produced for the inspection of the reader. Any writer can make a mystery by telling us that at this point the great Picklock Holes suddenly bent down and picked up from the ground an object which he refused to let his friend see. He whispers 'Ha!' and his face grows grave - all that is illegitimate mystery - making. The skill of the detective author consists in being able to produce his clues and flourish them defiantly in our faces: 'There!' he says, 'what do you make of that?' and we make nothing.

Source: http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Knox%27s_Decalogue

@Alisae/Taly, But 8 planes is what is mentioned? Is that not the clue? I don’t understand your point.

Her point is that the absence of evidence that the planes are important(which, by the way, is not actually the case, but it's what mastina is workng with) can not be used as evidence that they aren't important.

-Cerb

pedit: Ah, that works too. Though it's less significant I think, than what I thought you were saying.

This works just as well
Like honestly, I just think mastina is making up said "9th plane" to attempt to bullshit a read on Cerby.

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My point is that because there are no "hints" refering to a 9th plane
said 9th plane does not exist.

17 players. The game cannot mathematically have 9 days.

Thank towniness.

Barring failed kills.

-Cerb

or consecutive no lynches if town is REALLY dumb enough.

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Your notes are good but nobody can parse a mindmap like that. We want you to send it to the translator and then to the secretary to present them meaningfully. Unfortunately this a solo game so you have to play all roles of translator and secretary. You need to be doing that.

LEAVE IT ALONE MY GOD.

and yes, I did pick it :3

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Like you two are just beating a dead horse at this point.

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My point is that because there are no "hints" refering to a 9th plane
said 9th plane does not exist.

17 players. The game cannot mathematically have 9 days.

Thank towniness.

Barring failed kills.

-Cerb

or consecutive no lynches if town is REALLY dumb enough.

No lynches aren't possible in this game, check the rules yo.

There may be roles that could prevent a lynch from occurring though, but it won't happen through lack of votes being placed.

-Cerb

good to know.

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My point is that because there are no "hints" refering to a 9th plane
said 9th plane does not exist.

17 players. The game cannot mathematically have 9 days.

Thank towniness.

Barring failed kills.

-Cerb

or consecutive no lynches if town is REALLY dumb enough.

Talk with me about the anime Knox’s 8th is from.

Or some read. Literally anything please?

Knox's Decaloge was created by Monsignor Ronald A. Knox. It serves as the guide for detective fiction for its time.
the Red references Umineko's Red Truth.

If you want to talk reads I'll wait for you to talk to me about Micc or Libor
you could elaborate on your mastina read if you wish.
I'm having a hard time seeing mastina's most recent posts as town motivated posts.

[Purple Heart]

OTM - Locktown
Bee - Locktown
Chara - Locktown
Venmar - I townread it
LolSnowman - I townread it
A50 - I think this is town?

RR - Townleaning but ultimately have no opinion, and I think its better this way.
Creature - Is Creature locktown yet I should be able to tell but I'm incompetent.

Dunn - Lol
Random - Haven't read a single post.
Skyburd - Haven't read a single post.

Titus - Headaches
Icon - Could be scum

Mastina - DIE THE DEATH
Libor - SENTENCE TO DEATH
Micc - GREAT EQUALIZER IS THE DEATH

I feel offended that my slot is only known as "Titus" to you. Like, what am I, chopped liver?

~Kiana

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M SORRY ITS JUST TITUS IS WHAT CAME UP AT THE TIME I'M SORRY
PLEASE FORGIVE ME WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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Trying to townblock on page 5 feels kinda insane to me.

I read the whole thread but most of it felt pretty meaningless. I'll be back when we can vote.

predit: oh look its mastina. looking forward to finally playing a game with you.

@Alisae while I see your point here about destroying town blocks I can see the potential Micc doesn’t understand how I function. It doesn’t seem so bad as never townblock. It seems more doubting?

that point was a complete meme and I don't really care about it that much

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I care more about the push then having "doubts" about townblocing.
Also, you should notice how they fall back on it on 1526 because its a really shitty fallback imo.

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MATHBLADE FORGET ABOUT THE FUCKING TOWNBLOC

[Purple Heart]

I just got Xenoblade chronicles 2.
Bye everyone i hope you have fun in this game o/

~B

isn't the tutorial extremely long for that game?

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Step 3: Forming a Case

However, you can't push a mislynch if you don't have any thing to justify your push off of.
After all, when you push a "fact" you can then fall back on the justification you built up as a scapegoat.
Also pushing "facts" allows you to present good

IRONCLAD

reasoning.
Who cares about being right? You're a wolf!
You don't need to push reads!
Reads =/ Facts.

Luckily, you can use claims as shown here:

To my understanding, I have a very inconsistent way of acquiring mana. But primarily, two ways:

1) Not using my Planeswalker ability

2) I target someone with my Planeswalker ability. For 2 phases, I gain Mana the same way they would, and I gain their abilities. I can only do this once per dayphase.

I'm literally a temporary copy-cat.

As a good basis to push someone.
Especially if you are scared of that role and you want it gone as fast as possible.
Who needs waiting for the night to come, why not just lynch it!

Keep in mind that when you are forming your case, you have to twist the narative to not consider any town motivation.
Also, make sure the read is presented as a strong confident read, because people like to sheep those!
These things are done perfectly well here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

You CAN attempt to stand it from a town PoV.
But you don't need to do that, you're a wolf after all!
Your job is to push mislynches!

　　　　　　　　　

Step 4: Pushing the lynch

Once you picked out your mislynch, you must attempt to turn everything they stated into something that is scummy!
Because you are a wolf, you can get away with having as many unorganic, unnatural, and agenda based reads as possible!
This is perfectly done here:

VOTE: Taly
I think this is a good place to start. I don't know how you get a role like the one he claimed and don't immediately think "hey I can use this to confirm other people's abilities when they claim them" as town. Like sure everyone's probably got access to reasonably powerful ability, but waiting for someone to get run up to L-1 and claim and then copying their ability to compare it to the claim seems like good value.

For the record I disagree with any theory argument that leads to claims from players not on L-1. Props to Chara for expressing importance of not being stupid.

How do you feel about the follow-up provided by Taly, after being questioned by Chara about this? That was also posted before you made this post, did you read it and ignored it, or missed it?

329 was terrible imo. The idea of claiming in order to spur discussion and interaction is gross. Wanting to give a public warning that his ability is ever changing and unpredictable is scum motivated preparation for later and further shows how he’s missing half the utility of the ability. Him showing uncertainty about Chara’s sarcasm and deciding to assume meaning instead of seeking clarification.

Yeah this is a good wagon. People should join.

Also when you are pushing your reads, you have to give as LITTLE to No content possible on anything else.
This is because attempting to fabricate reads and having to stick to them will come back to bite you when people analyze your PROGRESSION.
But when you DO form reads, make sure to shade as many people as possible as seen here:

@Micc: Why are you voting for Taly over Tibor? You've expressed dissatisfaction with both slots(agreeing with Venmars scum read on Tibor, which indicates agreement that there exists a more significant history of scummy actions than that which exists for Taly(since that history is based on a singular event)), and Tibor has more votes already...so why not put more pressure on the other scum read?

On a metric of scum pings per posts I’d say Taly is leading so that’s why I’m voting there now. And there’s like one vote on the Tibor hydra right now so the wagon size is pretty irrelevant.

If this is you saying you’re up for pressuring here then sure I guess I’m in. I think the reads in the catchup post and the Almost50 vote are kinda loose. The random theory question pointed at me is super ackward and I don’t see it’s purpose at all. They both gave at least partial indication that they thought Chara “lynch town day 1” strategy was serious and I kinda rolled my eyes at that.

stopping in to say Im not town reading maid café or alisae slot so me giving maid café a vote here is out of the question. Can confirm that making the green voting elemental is my ability and that I didn't make the one in currently in play.

I also skimmed at least 15 of those pages pretty quickly but intend to sit down and organize thoughts after work tonight. I don't get the maid café vote dancing and I want to understand it so if there's an explanation someone please quote it for me.

　　　　　　　　　

Step 5: Faking your Scumhunting

As a wolf, you have to look like you are scumhunting. To do this, you push mislynches, but occasionally you have to ask questions.
How do we counter such a boring habbit?
There are two methods!

The first method is to not care about the question.
If you ask random questions and hope that people will think they are "good questions" and have 0 interest in the question, you will look like you are scumhunting. This is seen here:

Micc, do you feel the need to have an intent to hammer to claim, or just L-1?

Whenever it becomes clear that that person is the lynch for the day if nothing changes. I don't think distinguishing between intent being called or not really matters.

That's my philosophy too. I ended up claiming fairly early by that logic as PR once.
~Lumia

Why did you feel this was relevant enough to ask me about?

alisae why is beeboy town?

The second method is to not care about the answer!
For example, if you are going to ask a quesiton, and the questionee provides an answer, make sure to discredit and/or scumread the answer to that question as much as possible.
As long as you have a response already made to the questionee's answer, then you are good to go. Just use that response no matter what answer they provide.
For exmaple, Micc asked me what do I think of Beeboy.
I provided my read, thinking he would not care about it, and he responds with this:

I would gladly answer this for you but I have 0 interest in working with you!

well that seems unnecessarily obtuse.

Also for those who I am willing to cooperate with
It's right here

@Bee - Ur probably town judging by post count cuz either you lurk early and Claire does the heavy lifting if you were scum

and this doesn't do anything for me. it being your only stated read besides sheeping beeboy on me just feels like a slap in the face.

I don't know why I thought joining a large where everybody else was buddy buddy with each other was a good idea.

This is a great example at asking loaded questions, as we can infer on how Micc responded, that he was planning on discredit the response no matter what, due to his prior scumread on Bee.

THIS STUFF MATH
READ IT

[Purple Heart]

but you role's obviously powerful and we aren't lynching it so me voting you is stupid

READ THAT
THEN READ THIS

[Purple Heart]

Champion of the Parish is now voting Shining Dreamers.
Shining Dreamers currently has 2 votes against them.

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

Get back on Micc.

And Math I give up.
You're completely missing my point completely and if you're not going to read where I fully explained my point, then I'm just beating my head against a wall.

Why do you townread mastina?

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Champion of the Parish is now voting Shining Dreamers.
Shining Dreamers currently has 2 votes against them.

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

Get back on Micc.

And Math I give up.
You're completely missing my point completely and if you're not going to read where I fully explained my point, then I'm just beating my head against a wall.

Why do you townread mastina?

I did read your point. That’s what I got out of it.

I townread Martina because of her claim and the fact she’s posting right now.

Scumstina would just watch the carnage. Scumstina is a huge lurker.

Role =/ Alignment
And thats a wrong impression because here's the thing about playing scum.
If you want to WIN the game, you have to push your agenda.
That means you have to post.
And if you want to prevent your own wagon from happening, that means you have to post.

Not to mention mastina has to lurk because the pace is too much for her and she HAS read the game because she feels as if she doesn't read the game she can't talk about anything.
It's not alignment indicative its pace indicative.

picking this up

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Rinse wash repeat pigeonhole argument. It isn’t what she claimed but that she claimed I don’t see scumstina doing.

I will read Star Wars later. I just don’t see anything manipulative from the hydra. In fact you (Alisae) and Mastina seem like one of the few without an agenda.

Sigh, alright here are my notes from what I told Taly when I was catching him up

243 - awful readlist that can completely and almost certainly is coming from scum, you can tell just by how it was crafted.
244 - treatment of bee here feels really unnatural.
399 - just feels really scum like coming from scum I would explain more if I knew the words to explain it with.
401 - just kinda bullshit imo.
1682 - terrible interaction with bee.
1678

Btw for the purposes of full disclosure--Yume did in fact inform me that Alisae was in the game and replaced Taly, though she didn't tell me anything except that Alisae was scum more or less. I backed her up though because that is in fact quite likely.

the fact that mastina can HAVE a scumread on me without really reading my posts is concerning not to mention we're an IC now because mastina fails to read me correctly
1683

This is going to blow your mind, but there is in fact ACTUALLY a player where I did this. That is. I decided I was going to push them from the moment I got my PM.

...But that player isn't Maid Cafe.

It's Skybird. (Yume can verify, I said more or less "Legit think Skybird's just scum even though she hasn't even posted yet".)

scummy

Why is it that literally only my scumreads (e.g. Maid Cafe, Reasonably Rational) make reference to the planes and yet literally nobody else is talking about them?

What scumclaims look like. Like using this as a point to push Bee and RR makes the read really unnatural and it seems extremely agenda based.
1725

This is the lazyman's vote: Micc is a scum looking for a town player to mislynch's best friend. What I mean by that is, Micc is disproportionately likely to be town...but he is a player that even his strongest proponents for defending him have very little they can do or say in the way of advocating for his townness, whereas in contrast he has plenty which can be used to push for a lynch on him.

He isn't, however, qualified as EITHER lynchbait OR low-hanging fruit. He's not someone people think is an "easy target". He is someone who there is cause to go after, and yet there is no fallout for having gone after him and no fallout from being wrong on him. In other words. Micc is the scum's dream mislynch. A player that can be voted while looking town in voting him.

Understandably, you might then be able to reasonably infer my opinion of this vote is not high!

wtf???

AKA making an excuse to lurk and get away with it.

Another scumclaim. Like Bee would just declare V/LA and not post and get away with it if he was scum. He wouldn't even be highposting if he was scum. He doesn't NEED an excuse to lurk, he'll just lurk. This is disingenuous and extremely unnatural.
1736 - More scumclaims.
1742 - more scumclaims.
1745 - Taly hates this post for some reason. Can't blame him, mastina is literally openwolfing.

Like their bee push is EXTREMELY scummy imo. And here are some extras just for you
1747 - Using "suggesting to rolecop chara is a scumclaim" is more justification for the scumread and in of itself, is a scumclaim.
1757 - Suggesting that Creature is scum is a scumclaim.

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Like
I am shocked and surprised that every single post that mastina has wrote this game is literally scumposting and scumclaims.
Like how much more do you have to openwolf to literally say

"HEY EVERYONE, I AM A WOLF, PLEASE LYNCH ME."

[Purple Heart]

Going to read most of this tomorrow but on readwalls I kinda just always ignore mastina’s

Like she as town has ones that make no sense (e.g. having a townread on a zero poster she never played with)

I will look at the rest of your case in the morning.

its not that her read list doesn't make sense.
Its that it makes PERFECT sense to be a readlist produced by a wolf.

[Purple Heart]

I mean
I like the deal

but atleast explain why you're townreading some of the mastina posts I'm pointing out.
If you explain that much maybe I can flush out my mastina read

[Purple Heart]

And tbf
I didn't explain much those were really just kinda my notes.

[Purple Heart]

I don't control Champion of Parish (I wish I did though)
I have an idea who does though but that doesn't matter.

I'm willing to vote all 3 of my scumreads (Gamma, Micc, Mastina)
I really don't think one is more scummy then the other I just think they're all scum and as such willing to vote them
I kinda don't really want to derail Micc right now though.

[Purple Heart]

I just spent over an hour reading through about 60 pages of this game....

So I probably missed something. If any of you want me to respond to a specific post; then tell me and quote it.

1661 Most of my reads align with

Alisae

here. Scumreads and townreads. People closer in the middle are question marks to me.

Also, her 1440 made me laugh my ass off because that's also how I've viewed

Micc's

push on us.

These are also notes/questions I created through reading this thread

1)

Most conflicted read personally, is

ReasonablyRational

. I feel like much of his earlier posts didn't do a lot, until he decided to respond to the pressure on him around

Page 30

. Can't tell if his AtE is AI.

2)

I empathize with the fact that

OnTheMark

does not like being universally townread. 705. Can you give me your current reads and reasoning for the

Skybird

push? What's your view on

Bronya

?

3)

I ISOed

Almost50

and like

Maid Cafe

around page 34, I like the fact that these guys are looking through situations logically instead of shitvoting this slot over my claimpost, AFTER the initial explanation.

4)

Chara

lying about his Miller Claim makes me think he's town. 888 I'm impressed, honestly. He did this to create dialogue and gauge people's mindsets. Classic towny play. He seems genuine to me in his other posts, so I fail to see how this could come from scum.

5)

Venmar

, you're only allowing yourself to be relevant as long as you're being voted. Do you have ANY reads in this game aside from trying to get mana by being a wagon?

Any significant conclusions you've reached so far?

-Cerb

I moved Chara, Mark, Venmar, you out of my lynch pool pretty early.

MC throws me off because beeboy seems way off playstyle/personality, and I’m not sure if it’s me only seeing him in discussion not actual games.

Alisae

looks more town than Taly but I’m weary of the entrance because Town read close friend, sheep their scum read and turn away interaction is a pretty convienent entrance.

I’ve got a huge pile of people to sort still and it starts with catching up on stuff I skimmed.

This post genuinely confuses me.

Alisae looks townier than me; but we're the same slot. Though, you say "but I'm weary of Town read close friend, sheep their scum read"

What does this even mean? Are you talking about my nonexistent reads until now or

Alisae's

and to WHO? Who's sheeping?

At least you're self-aware of skimming.

I am the one in charge, as per her opening words, and you never scumread me on day 1 when you are town.

VOTE: Alisae

Regainin'

- Phosphophyllite

Regainin'? Are you talking about mana? Also, can you not do the whole "meta read should vote this way" thing? First off, it's untrue, and second, your vote on

Alisae

here does not seem explained.

im just trying to understand your intentions because I still haven't decided how much I trust what you're doing here. but you role's obviously powerful and we aren't lynching it so me voting you is stupid

Then why aren't you doing anything with your vote? Or at least asking questions for clarity on your reads?

After some ISO and rereading, I'm good with the vote here at the moment.

~ Taly

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Hey Alisae your avatar broke.

meh
I'll fix it later
I don't know how much I care tbh

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Kiana: counting hydra heads as distinct players, i've played with 20 people in this game. i can't lock them in as either alignment just from that.
i haven't seen anything from either of you yet i want to engage on. Titus is a player that, historically, i have a bad time reading, and can really only say is town after we've had some sort of drawn-out dumb argument. and i don't want to do that. you, i've never seen as scum, and you're being influenced enough by Titus that i doubt meta is useful.

actually tbf
There are posts I imagine scum!Titus make that Kiana is definitely making
But attempting to sort these two is like playing a mental chess match with a feral crane hawk because nothing makes any fucking sense

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VOTE: Shining dreams the open wolf

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I would very much appreciate if no hammer occurred on *anything* for the next 48 hours at least. I would like the chance for my other head to get into the game, and for the thing I mentioned to creature, that he didn't respond to, to happen.

-Cerb

Purdy sure Snarky is the lie detector bud.

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and if you're expecting Snarky to be able to be active and do something like a request like that HOHOHOHOHOH I GOT NEWS FOR YOU

But yeah also I would like to give Venmar some mana so...

[Purple Heart]

Before-Alisae-Steals-It-Again Edition

[Purple Heart]

Venmar needs to be the counterwagon to be able to get mana
its just that imo
and I'm doing that because I townread him lol.

[Purple Heart]

second largest wagon is not L-2.

[Purple Heart]

Also as much as I would like to show up so he tell me what he thinks about mastina, I don't think that's happening unless he stops playing on his new wii switch.

But in the event he sees this,
Bee talk to me about mastina plz.
Ur a good person to bounce shit off of anyways

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@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

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What I didn't answer?

Cerby thought you were the lie detector and he wanted you to lie detect something.
but Snarky is the lie detector so...

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Oh it has to end that way blaaaaah damn. Was just gonna do a quick vote scoot.

Its not too much of a problem imo 2 votes should just do the job fine.

[Purple Heart]

Checklist of things to do before EoD
[ ] - Drixx needs to say hi.
[ ] - Micc should give someone a Creature, preferibly me (if you're town atleast)
[ ] - Cerby Claims and his Claim is Proven (done by either Snarky and/or other methods)
[ ] - I personally want to bounce things off of Bee.
[ ] - CW Venmar so he can get mana. (Do this at the very end of the day)

I am sure there's more to add but I can't think of any atm.

[Purple Heart]

I would prefer to have all of those done before this game gets to 100 pages but I don't know if thats reasonable at this point :/

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@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Protomen was a mechanics show?

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@Snarky: Have you lie detected anything yet? If not, there's something I want to claim and have you lie detect, as soon as I get the other heads approval.

Actually, I can copy you tomorrow if I'm alive.
I think its more useful to actually Lie Detect Venmar's claim imo.

There are reasons why claim confirmation today is a good thing.

Drixx responded to a text, says he'll be able to talk in about 5 hours.

-Cerb

@Venmar nope Drixx hasn’t.

And I was really hoping this wouldn’t become a mechanics show.

Because

reasons

I disagree with claim confirmation.

OTM, every Varsoon game becomes a mechanics show, and only in the case of FFT was that the wrong thing to do(so far).

-Cerb

Protomen was a mechanics show?

He means FFT the anonymous PT game Varsoon ran.

I am extremely aware of what FFT is and its existence.

[Purple Heart]

I still do not know to this day who all of the alts were in that game.

[Purple Heart]

If anyone can GIVE mana I would like some mana.

[Purple Heart]

Randomshiro vote mastina then

[Purple Heart]

Also, nobody should give purple heart mana cuz they already stole someone elses mana, if they needed mana so badly they shoulda planned better!

-Cerb

ur not wrong

[Purple Heart]

mastina v skybird is not SvS.
matina can be with gamma sure.
She can also be with Micc.

[Purple Heart]

I do wish I could talk with you privately Alisae’s
All the things I would say
All the things I would say
I have to send on a whisper and pray
That they get to your soul ehhhhhh

I mean
If I suddenly wound up with a PT with you I wouldn't mind that
But I think Taly would freak out because he already doesn't know what to do with your posting

[Purple Heart]

I want to improve, but how can I do that if people insist on lynching me for a post that isn't even mine?

A is the wrong word. Multiple is better.
Mastina's posts = you being scumread
Therefore
If you were playing the game solo = Would you be getting scumread? I certainly wouldn't be pushing you.

--

To top it off, Alisae is aware that I, who is the dominant head in this game, is NOT a D1 player. Yet e scumreads the whole hydra for something posted by someone who rarely posts?

> Yume dominate with 45 posts. This is about less then half of the hydras posts if we're including mastina's alt slips.
> mastina has more then half of the hydra's posts if were including alt slips.

Having more the half of the hydra's posts isn't RARELY imo.

Also, you don't play the game D1 true.
However you most notably have played the game so far.
In fact, you believe so yourself that as scum, you have to contribute something towards the gamestate otherwise you'll get called out for it (source)
When you DON'T play the game, you usually have like I believe less then 10 posts.

So...

Sure, lynch Purple Heart.

glgl

[Purple Heart]

And none yet. But they will as soon as we're gone, cos they knows that one of us can cut through her lies like toilet paper. With us gone, they'll be free to manipulate the rest of you, basically. You'll see.

I am speechless.

[Purple Heart]

Crazy thought: Mastina Skybird Alisae RR?

I was scum with Yume before!
The source I linked goes to a scum PT where I was scum with Yume.
You should read it (and here's a link to the actual game).

[Purple Heart]

Interesting indeed.

Kiana you wanna explain to me why you don’t scumread Skybird?

I can't explain the absence of a scumread. Why don't you explain your scumread on Skybird instead?

Actually you can.

An absence of a scumread is either a nullread or a townread start there which is it? And why?

And I will expand once you, not Titus, answers the question.

Man I wish I knew who you were.

I am nulltownreading them. Mainly gut, they aren't very memorable anyhow.

Why are you posting out of hydra?

HEY GUYS
VALUABLE SCUMHUNTING
IN ACTION
HAPPENING
RIGHT HERE
RIGHT NOW

--

@PurpleHeart/Shining Dreams
Assumed the other of you is a mod confirmed IC.
How would your reads change? And saying bastard game is

not

an option.

bastard game

I mean, they wouldn't since all of my scumreads are independent.

[Purple Heart]

Like I scumread Gamma, Micc, and mastina individually
They just so happen to go extremely well together as a team.

[Purple Heart]

Also, nobody has said anything about any PT's existing. I'm pretty sure some will exist at some point, maybe not now, but yeah. Your fear of scum brainwashing via PT's has no basis in reality as far as anyone knows.

-Cerb

We're 90% sure that at least five exist at this time. This isn't a fact, but yeah.....

At least five and I don't have one?

-Cerb

I could name 5.
The scum PT (You're not in this one if you're town)
The Mod PT (You're definitely not in this one. Though tbf it might not exist if V is using a google sheet which would make sense for a game like this)
The Dead PT (You are very much alive)
And then all of the hydra PTs that may or may not exist.

[Purple Heart]

My partner and I have a color PT. It's a large neighborhood. She has a theory that four more PTs exist for each color.

News to me.

[Purple Heart]

My partner and I have a color PT. It's a large neighborhood. She has a theory that four more PTs exist for each color.

Interesting. Who is in it?

Don't answer this pls.

Why not?

Also math it's a upick hood comp is nai if hoods are based on flavour

Also bee opinion on mastina please

[Purple Heart]

i'm not talking about stealing mana, i'm talking about informing scum nightkills, and scum power use.

and how Varsoon hates massclaims, explicitly warned us against flavour claims, etc.

maybe it means nothing. but i can guarantee Varsoon did not design this game so that it's a good idea for everyone to claim and coordinate mana stacking.

and this hasn't even touched on the fact i'm not townreading you, so why should i be giving you mana? :<

I dunno people said this about mass claiming not breaking both GiF magical girl games and both got broken via mass claim if people went for it.

I think generally its more pro-town if we all just openly try and get mana. If there are conflicting ways to generate it then we lose maybe 3 people casting spells. Vs me and Maki trying to play like a jester get voted, cross vote under a specific condition then hope that we can walk it off.

Like being hidden about mana generation I think hurts town, I think the game was made so most of us can generate mana, Varsoon wouldn't design cards people can't realistically use and by hiding how i get mana me and maki just get taken off our cards 9/10 times.
Lot's of people can still hiddenly generate mana and don't need to claim conditions.

Scum knowing I always act tonight is strictly better than me not acting.

~B

Others have already reasponded to this but I don't think it's a good thing to let scum know how you generate mana. It makes it easier for them to mess things up for town.

Right now, I feel like either Maid Cafe or OTM is scum, I'm not sure which one though leaning towards Maid Cafe. I didn't like 53 and 88 from them.

Tibor and Lumia ping town to me. That is a gut read.

Pre-edit: Thanks Phosphophyllite

Why is it one or the other? Why can't both be town?
~Lumia

They both might be. The whole argument just felt like MC was being contrary instead of two town talking past each other. (Not sure if contrary is the right word but I'm struggling to come up with a better one at the moment and without re-reading the whole argument.)

historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark

I 've heard something like this before but I really don't like the idea of trying to lynch town. I get scrum vibes from this post.

Why? Do you really think mafia are going to campaign for a town lynch? I recall Chara being pretty nutty as scum (or it could be Almost) but she's not nuts.
~Lumia

To propose we purposely try to lynch town is pretty scummy. If she can get a majority of players to agree then we lose a town player. Of course Chara made it sound like a joke in post 556. What better way to play off a scum gambit than to say it was a joke?

Now Skybird makes a push on Chara who is obvTown so the push will go nowhere.

It’s just noise.

I haven’t seen a single positive contribution from the slot.

Actually I'm noting a lot of what Skybird and Ico are saying is lining up, what does this tell you about their chance of being scum partners?

HOLY FUCK

[Purple Heart]

My partner and I have a color PT. It's a large neighborhood. She has a theory that four more PTs exist for each color.

Interesting. Who is in it?

Don't answer this pls.

Why not?

Also math it's a upick hood comp is nai if hoods are based on flavour

Also bee opinion on mastina please

It’s nai based on flavor yeah but depending upon the size can be illuminating.

For example assume 4 scum 13 town
Then the more people you add the more likely scum is in it based on sheer probability.

no

[Purple Heart]

I'm not saying it's all town
What I am saying is hood comp should not dictate alignments and how you scumhunt

[Purple Heart]

Like
Stop it
You're getting distracted.

[Purple Heart]

Yes. If X people are in the hood then the odds of it being an all town hood are
Assuming four scum
13!/X! * (1/17)^X

Necessarily as X grows the odds of scum being in the hood necessarily increase.

Like this only works if said hood was designed with this in mind
And I highly doubt it was

[Purple Heart]

I am extracting information from a scumread.
Information the slot has to tell the truth on.

I want to know if more hoods exist and who is in them as well.

[Purple Heart]

This is getting us nowhere
I agree to disagree
There

[Purple Heart]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

we want the hood outed not because we think scum exist in it.
We want it outed because we want to know who is in the hood and scum if they ARE in the hood already know who is in it.

picking this up

Pedit it keeps on getting worse lmao

[Purple Heart]

For anyone who wants to know yes I've read the thread I've just gave my comments to bee and haven't been posting
~Maki

Why haven't you been posting?

WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN POSTING???

[Purple Heart]

Bee doesn't want to argue stats with you math so I'm tagging in
what's up
~Maki

Wait you have the patience for this?

[Purple Heart]

Dunn has only interacted with Maki...

Guys....
This is what a wolf looks like

[Purple Heart]

also chara is scum caught in a gambit
skybird is lynch bait and ico possibly is as well but i'm not sure yet

OK wow this is horrible, this feels calculated

Wolfy

[Purple Heart]

I'm going to bleach my eyes if this neighborhood and game mechanics discussion continues for another 5 pages.

Literally, most of this neighborhood conversation borders on semantics. We can talk all dayphase about how there MIGHT be scum within the neighborhood, but all of that talk is meaningless unless we:

A)

Push others for wagons.

B)

Communicate with each other OUTSIDE of statistics and game mechanics

C)

Actually lynch so we can have factual flips to help base reads and discussion points.

Will scum likely be within a 4-person subset out of 17 players?

Possibly.

What else can someone deduce from this conversation at this moment, and be 100% certain of themselves?

To my understanding, there's multiple players at the moment that aren't fully getting caught up with the game; myself included in part, because I'm still reading conversations where I create gut-reads at best because I don't see the purpose of them.

Oh yeah or random.

Forgot Random was in the hood.

Until they put the fourth or we get a scum we never lynch outside it.

1)

Link the post where

Random (Baku and Munna?)

was confirmed to be in this hood.

2)

Link the post where you stated your initial case on

Skybird

and save me 30 minutes of ISOing you, please.

also chara is scum caught in a gambit
skybird is lynch bait and ico possibly is as well but i'm not sure yet

OK wow this is horrible, this feels calculated

Wolfy

I second this notion.

Gamma

, I believe you replaced into the

Tibor

slot; please tell me this is not the only type of posts and thoughts you have after 80 pages of game.

What are your reads, and where is your vote if you think

baku and munna

is worth a wagon?

VOTE: Shining Dreamers

Sorry Yume if you're town but today needs to end.

~Titus

I'm going to ISO

Bronya

and

Skybird

; but my initial reaction to this post was joy. Something happened.

VOTE: Unvote

Not what I am asking. @Maid Cafe

Do you agree roles alignment came after roles?

This post has no point here. Unless I read terribly wrong,

Varsoon

already stated that roles happened prior to alignment.

What's with the unvote?

Shining Dreamers

hasn't posted much since your vote post 1862

~~~

I want a post from

Mastina

, and I'd like to see

Micc

here too.

Where is

Creature

? What is

Venmar

doing?

Is

Cerb

even a hydra anymore? Why has he yet to have voted, despite having over 200 posts in this game?

I should not be the only person who has these questions.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Bee doesn't want to argue stats with you math so I'm tagging in
what's up
~Maki

Wait you have the patience for this?

I deal with you don't I?
~Maki

thats cold

--

Mark just stop please.

Stop flaming town, you're making this game unbearable. Think we're idiots but keep it to yourself.

Why did you unvote?

THANK YOU

[Purple Heart]

I want a post from Mastina, and I'd like to see Micc here too.

Where is Creature? What is Venmar doing?

Is Cerb even a hydra anymore? Why has he yet to have voted, despite having over 200 posts in this game?

I should not be the only person who has these questions.

Hey buddy I got some bad news for ya

[Purple Heart]

Hey Claire, since you're around
what's your opinion on mastina?

[Purple Heart]

Also while we're at it

Bee doesn't want to argue stats with you math so I'm tagging in
what's up
~Maki

You are litterally levels upon levels upon levels upon levels of towniness, perhaps those above innocent child towniness.
Good job.

[Purple Heart]

Hey Claire, since you're around
what's your opinion on mastina?

scumlean but not good enough that I'd feel confident lynching her.
~Maki

One last question.
I want to keep the hood composition hidden because (check the box that applies)
[ ] - It's Claire's idea.
[ ] - You think your hood is masonry
[ ] - A reason for revealing the hood composition cannot be seen
[ ] - Other

[Purple Heart]

Checklist of things to do before EoD
[ ] - Drixx needs to say hi.
[ ] - Micc should give someone a Creature, preferibly me (if you're town atleast)
[ ] - Cerby Claims and his Claim is Proven (done by either Snarky and/or other methods)
[ ] - I personally want to bounce things off of Bee.
[ ] - CW Venmar so he can get mana. (Do this at the very end of the day)

I am sure there's more to add but I can't think of any atm.

Relevant post btw.

[Purple Heart]

Yes this day needs to end.
I want it to end too.
However I know the things in 1921 are things I would like to see and Cerby wants to get done.

btw Claire you'll work just fine as a Bee replacement.
Can you talk to me about your feelings skyburd, Gamma, Baku, and loserstral?
Also if there's anyone I should be scumreading, who?
I would like to refine my reads a bit before I am okay with ending the day really.

[Purple Heart]

Okay I think that covers it?
Anything I'm missing before I go back to my video games
~Maki

If you want to bring Bee back that works too, but address my 2126 hopefully?

[Purple Heart]

Yes this day needs to end.
I want it to end too.
However I know the things in 1921 are things I would like to see and Cerby wants to get done.

btw Claire you'll work just fine as a Bee replacement.
Can you talk to me about your feelings skyburd, Gamma, Baku, and loserstral?
Also if there's anyone I should be scumreading, who?
I would like to refine my reads a bit before I am okay with ending the day really.

Skybird: Is scum needs to die
Gamma: Let me read that a little more
Baku: Null but bee trs
Dunn: Null/scummy

elaborate on skyburd for me?
Like, I haven't read a single one of their posts.

[Purple Heart]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the

fourth

member of your hood that you share with

Mastina/Yume/Random

?

One of these things is not like the other
one of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell me which thing is not like the other?
Before I finish this song.

[Purple Heart]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the fourth member of your hood that you share with Mastina/Yume/Random?

that...hood doesn't exist
~Maki

lmfao
this arguement started because yume said she was in a hood and Math wanted to know who was in the hood and Bee was like "don't answer that."

[Purple Heart]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the

fourth

member of your hood that you share with

Mastina/Yume/Random

?

One of these things is not like the other
one of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell me which thing is not like the other?
Before I finish this song.

Mastina+Yume is one slot. What is the fourth slot?

oh wait nevermind I can't read

[Purple Heart]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the fourth member of your hood that you share with Mastina/Yume/Random?

that...hood doesn't exist
~Maki

I don’t know if the hood exists but I am 100% sure the neighborizer does. Varsoon told me it does.

there is no hood friend.

So then mastina is lying?

I wouldn't say she's lieing (because remember, Yume only said she was in a hood)
I think its more accurate to say you're making assumptions.

[Purple Heart]

I thought this was an argument on if we should lynch in the hood because it's a high % scum were in it not that we were in one

I thought this arguement was about which one was better: waffles, pancakes, or french toast.

[Purple Heart]

Good fucking job you wasted 7 pages on argueing about waffles, pancakes, or french toast.
I have never seen such an achievement before in my life.

[Purple Heart]

Math, I have a request.
Can you let the thread rest for like a bit (atleast 2-3 days) and give the thread space to breath?
Please don't think of this as "I don't like you go away" but moreso as "I want you to give a chance for other people to talk without interupting them."

Like I feel like this main arguement is happening mostly because there is literally nothing else better to talk about so you have to talk about something no matter what it is.
And like, there are still some people we would like to hear from, some people who haven't fully caught up yet, etc.
Argueing about Waffles, Pancakes, and French Toast is nice an all, but people have to

read

that when they catch up (well, the trick is they don't, but some people (mastina) are going to have to put themselves through that)

So like, just give some time for people to talk atleast.

Spoiler: Also if we want talk about breakfest foods

French Toast by far btw. If you use a good Challah to make it with it turns out soooooooooo fucking good. Like whenever I made it it would suddenly become like a fucking cake and it was just so tasty.
But I can't eat that now because Paleo Diet
Luckily, I got a Waffle Maker recently and been trying to perfect a paleo waffle mix. Progress is in fact being made to make that go towards perfection.
Sadly I tried the same mix with Pancakes and it just didn't turn out as good

[Purple Heart]

And yes I get scum can be in the hood
I want the hood composition to be known and public information

But 7-8 pages argueing about it is absurd.

[Purple Heart]

Math, I have a request.
Can you let the thread rest for like a bit (atleast 2-3 days) and give the thread space to breath?
Please don't think of this as "I don't like you go away" but moreso as "I want you to give a chance for other people to talk without interupting them."

Like I feel like this main arguement is happening mostly because there is literally nothing else better to talk about so you have to talk about something no matter what it is.
And like, there are still some people we would like to hear from, some people who haven't fully caught up yet, etc.
Argueing about Waffles, Pancakes, and French Toast is nice an all, but people have to

read

that when they catch up (well, the trick is they don't, but some people (mastina) are going to have to put themselves through that)

So like, just give some time for people to talk atleast.

Spoiler: Also if we want talk about breakfest foods

French Toast by far btw. If you use a good Challah to make it with it turns out soooooooooo fucking good. Like whenever I made it it would suddenly become like a fucking cake and it was just so tasty.
But I can't eat that now because Paleo Diet
Luckily, I got a Waffle Maker recently and been trying to perfect a paleo waffle mix. Progress is in fact being made to make that go towards perfection.
Sadly I tried the same mix with Pancakes and it just didn't turn out as good

No.

Not when I have outed myself

Then I will not leave the thread for two to three days

Which then forces a replacement to come in.

I'm not asking you to leave the game and be replaced.
Post when Varsoon prods you again

All I am asking for you is to just take a break from the game and let the thread breathe for a bit.
Because right now not a lot of people are really talking and/or getting a chance to voice their opinions because you're essentially making the thread all about yourself and interupting people who try.
And that is an environment that induces A. Lots of spam B. Lots of frustration towards you and C. Less contribution.

That's all :/

[Purple Heart]

That's literally what I did but shit happened and now I'm hydra'ing with

Alisae

.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Mastina has been posting stuff and it looks like she is scum hunting. But I have not been posting much in there due to some of the things she has said to me.

What ist his "scumhunting" you speak of and what are said "things" she said that caused you to not post in the hood.

[Purple Heart]

I have an odd feeling you guys wont let us have mana easily
Which I want to deal with sooner rather then later.

~B

Pedit: Micc

I don’t know who “you guys” is but I think the amount of antitown that happens if everyone has mana is disastrous. This game has is and always will be about voting.

I agree town having access to abilities is 100% bad.

~B

Actually the mechanics of creatures makes scum having mana dangerous

GEE WIS WHAT A WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTION

--

Cerb you dont appear to be voting anyone

~B

And I still haven't heard from Drixx, whose agreement I need before doing something like enabling someone else's powers.

-Cerb

Doesn't Drixx normally participate more when in hydras because he tries to do more if someone's relying on him?

Drixx's lack of participation isn't AI lol.

[Purple Heart]

Not a bad response actually...

[Purple Heart]

And Alisae you were in RFB Rematch where I learned about Drixx's habits so I really think it's pretty derpy and/or scummy of you to deny that

Though I regret to inform you that I don't really know/care about what you learned.
Like, its straight up not alignment indicative because life does indeed get in the way.

[Purple Heart]

Okay Gamma.
You can be town.
You do you.

[Purple Heart]

OnTheMark
Chara
Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
Creature
Almost50
Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
SnarkySnowman
Gamma Emerald
Purple Heart (Hydra: Alisae & Taly)
Skybird
Venmar

Iconeum
Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
Micc
Dunnstral

[Purple Heart]

VOTE: Micc
ok give me your other reads.

Like, is Titus scum?

...
What the fresh hell, you'd better have developed this read more

There is also 1440

These questions still stand.

Gamma

[...] What are your reads, and where is your vote if you think

baku and munna

is worth a wagon?

~ Taly

P-Edit
((Also, as the corresponding head to Alisae; I agree with the readslist in 2221))

[Purple Heart]

>_> Messed up quote there.

Gamma

[...] What are your reads, and where is your vote if you think

baku and munna

is worth a wagon?

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Wait which ones still? I didn't give scumreads until I found something scummy. Are you talking about the early OTM suspicion, Iconeum suspicion, something else, or some combination?

That too, but mainly:

also chara is scum caught in a gambit
skybird is lynch bait and ico possibly is as well but i'm not sure yet

OK wow this is horrible, this feels calculated

What is your read of

baku and munna

aside from this?

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

I'd think mafia miller

stop right there.
Where was the last time you EVER saw a Mafia Miller.
I never even seen one in my life.

Like
these things don't exist imo.

[Purple Heart]

I don't like Ali continually taking my posts and sarcastically discrediting them

I'M BLUE
DA BA DE DA BA DIE

[Purple Heart]

I'd think mafia miller

stop right there.
Where was the last time you EVER saw a Mafia Miller.
I never even seen one in my life.

Like
these things don't exist imo.

But like
mastina is gonna make a post saying
"BUT THEY DO EXIST."
I promise you she will do that
and I'm sure they did.

BUT NOT IN 2018

[Purple Heart]

Okay then any two players have a 13/17 * 12/16 odds of both being town before the first post.
Then any three players have a 13/17 *12/16 *11/15 odds
Any four players have a 13/17 * 12/16 * 11/15 * 10/14 odds of all being town yes?

So 13/17*12/16*11/15*10/14 is right around 30 percent random chance the hood is all town. Before taking in the problem of assuming two players are town.

Now the most likely answer is one of the players in your hood is scum?

But you can take any subset of 4 players and say they're probably not all town

The neighborhood isn't relevant to that in any way shape or form - the neighbors came first, alignment second

DUNN
THIS TOPIC IS NOT NEED TO BE REVIVED
LET IT DIE IN PEACE

--

gamma, aside from baku, who's scum?

I just posted my thoughts on this so, look up.

I looked up Up I got a shitty movie

[Purple Heart]

A Enchantment Spell has been cast!!
Current Spells in play: (Champion of the Parish, Crusade) (Elemental) (Mother of Runes)

Crusade
Enchantment
ENCHANTMENT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs two white mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. Any time a White Creature votes for a player, an extra vote is added. Finally, I understand. Home isn't where you rest. It's what you fight for.

Interesting. So whoever controls the champion now has 3 votes. And if they play at least one more creature, they'll have 4 votes, or 6 votes if the creature they play can vote.

Tis a lot of votes.

-Cerb

its not a Creature so its only 2 for now but if Micc gives the person who I think controls this a Creature it'll be 3 and it'll get pretty big pretty quickly.

[Purple Heart]

Oh wait misread lolme.

pedit: lolbee

[Purple Heart]

They spent 3 mana this phase I doubt they have more.

[Purple Heart]

They spent 3 mana this phase I doubt they have more.

Irrelevant because both of these cards will still be around tomorrow, as well as one more card will be drawn by them, allowing(worst case) them to play 2 more creatures, if both can vote just once, that slot will be able to solo lynch people(3 from champion, +1 from each of the new creatures, for 5 total, +3 from crusade, up to 8, and their own vote won't even be needed).

JS.

-Cerb

Knowing how much mana they've spent during a phase isn't irrelevant?

[Purple Heart]

(though there is the rule that no slot can single handledly cause a lynch, so that wont happen, but if any votes are placed on anyone, they can jump on and finish them off without revealing who they are).

-Cerb

pedit: It's irrelevant in terms of gauging the ability of the slot to control lynches going forward.

Doubt that's their intention unless they are burning through their cards with the fear that their mana could be stolen and/or hand nuked. I feel like if that was their intention they would have played all of their combo pieces at once and then go for the kill.

[Purple Heart]

inb4 its cerb and he's trolling me

[Purple Heart]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

[Purple Heart]

And I mean
As appealing as waiting for you to catch up is.
I don't feel like seeing multiple scumclaims from you over and over insisting that MC is scum with how you've been pushing them currently.

[Purple Heart]

Mastina chances are we lynch you before you get fully caught up.

Don't do this

I AM DOING THIS.
IT IS HAPPENING

[Purple Heart]

Like Dunn
I am not entertaining a scum!beeboy or a scum!maki and neither should you or anyone in the game for that matter unless you want to openwolf like mastina and Micc.
Especially with how disingenuously Mastina pushed beeboy.

[Purple Heart]

Cerb

So, you're not voting until you're certain of scum or until it's needed to push the game along...?

Has any discussion recently changed your reads at all?

VOTE: Micc
ok give me your other reads.

Like, is Titus scum?

...
What the fresh hell, you'd better have developed this read more

There is also 1440

These questions still stand.

Gamma

[...] What are your reads, and where is your vote if you think

baku and munna

is worth a wagon?

~ Taly

P-Edit
((Also, as the corresponding head to Alisae; I agree with the readslist in 2221))

Reads are me suspecting Ico Sky B&M and sorta suspecting MC + Dunn, along with Micc needing review. Chara feels like town, as does OTM Bronya Creature A50 and I guess some others, kinda feeling you guys as town though I don't like Ali continually taking my posts and sarcastically discrediting them
As for baku I feel like they're scum based on the fact I recall Shiro being someone who prefers town along with their content not impressing me
As for voting them I would rather vote Iconeum for now but I'm going to still keep an eye on that hydra

To be honest,

Alisae

and I may have very similar reads; but I'm not as confident at the moment.

If you're not content with the

Shining Dreamers

wagon, then where's your case on

Iconeum

?

I'm disliking the read evolution of Shining D on myself. It started with a strong townread before I even posted, and switched to scumread once I started posting. There is no indication that anything changed, and I don't believe I've done anything spectacular to make them townreading me again yet I'm way up on the readlist they posted.

There's also very little effort from Shining D in the PT to sort Sky and myself out.

VOTE: shining D

OK, I'm going to out the hood. The hood contains me, Shining Dreamers and Iconeum. I feel like Iconeum has been buddying me in the hood. Mastina has been posting stuff and it looks like she is scum hunting. But I have not been posting much in there due to some of the things she has said to me.

Mastina has been posting stuff and it looks like she is scum hunting. But I have not been posting much in there due to some of the things she has said to me.

What ist his "scumhunting" you speak of and what are said "things" she said that caused you to not post in the hood.

She is commenting on posts from the game thread and talking about whether it's a scummy thing to do or towny thing.

No matter what I post in there, she calls it scum posting. I had hoped to have a smaller place to discuss reads but that's not going to happen this game apparently.

One more comment on the hood. The opening post states current members. I have a feeling that means this is not a permanent PT for anyone and members will probably change on D2.

What I'm getting from this is:

((Correct me if I'm wrong))

Shining Dreamers

,

Iconeum

, and

Skybird

are in a confirmed hood.
-

Shining Dreamers

has targeted and scumread

Skybird

with little in-thread information.
- There is also not much discussion about sorting each other aside from:

But I have not been posting much in there due to some of the things she has said to me.

This? Do you think

Shining Dreamers

gauging for reactions by tunneling you?
-

Iconeum

has consistently townread Skybird 262, but now feels that

Shining Dreamers'

reactions are unnatural in relation to himself.

Skybird

, can you elaborate on

Iconeum

buddying you?

Iconeum

, is your vote and push on

Shining Dreamers

solely because of her read progression with you?

I can't see

Shining Dreamers'

town motivation for doing this; unless they're baiting someone to react.

I feel a bit more confident in

Skybird

town. I don't see scum outing a hood like this, and I don't see the reason of the scumreads on her. Jury is still out on

Iconeum

.

And I mean
As appealing as waiting for you to catch up is.
I don't feel like seeing multiple scumclaims from you over and over insisting that MC is scum with how you've been pushing them currently.

Yeah, you are scum trying to quicklynch us. Town you would at least wait for us to provide more info. Even if you scumread us, you'd let us give info you could use to catch our potential buddies. That's why I believe you are only scum trying to remove us early.

1)

You're basing a scumread on

Alisae

off of meta, but you're also disregarding the other head in this slot, and I know your read on me cannot be meta, because I don't recall playing with you before.

So the logic of us being scum because of how you perceive

Alisae's

meta is invalid.

2)

Instead of talking about us quicklynching you, and telling us we should be lynched while your vote is parked on

Skybird

; how about you discuss the case raised on you? Also, where did your scumread on

Skybird

come from in the first place?

That icon vote is l-2 for Shining, can we please not hammer that before the aforementioned things happen.

-Cerb

I want

Mastina

,

Micc

, and a few others to catch up and post before a lynch happens.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Buddying Sky in PT is a big word for it. I tried to allign all of our reads and votes to see what would happen.
What I said about Shining D read evolution is my contribution to the case on the slot.

I suppose Sky could confirm what i'm saying about said evolution because that information is not available here...

Any reason on you thinking

Shining Dreamers

is scum independent from PT?

Oh, I'm also not particularly impressed with Icons vote on mastina. Do nothing, be 50 pages behind, then show up and jump on the wagon that's at l-3 with very little commentary.

@Taly: I'm almost certain that there is nothing that could happen on D1 that will make me certain someone is scum.

-Cerb

So that prevents you from voting or talking about your potential scumreads?

What have you been doing this entire time?

@Taly

You forgot that a town neighborizer that makes a different hood also exists. Making the odds of Shining Dreamers, Skybird, or Ico scum damn near 100 percent.

Yeah yeah I am hopping out of the thread now just making sure me being quiet doesn’t fuck us over. And I didn’t claim my informedness just to have it forgotten.

I'm not getting into multiple possible hoods in D1. That's begging for a basket of WIFOM and uncertainty. I'm taking any potential PT group outside of hydra's as a means of figuring out people's stance in the game pre-flip.

Also, if you're worried about people stating that you're posting too much or not being quite effective; do what I do.

Most of my posts intentionally strike conversation with multiple people. I don't post again until a certain number of those people have responded, or if someone has reached out to me.

2281: My case on Ico is essentially "his reactions and scumhunting don't feel genuine". I don't want to have to fetch quote but if you need them I will. Though I'll keep those hood interactions in mind.

I'd like to see quotes.

Does

Iconeum's

confirmation in being inside a hood emphasize or weaken your scumread on him?

Yeah, we're bolting on this SD wagon. We don't think it's pushed by any wolves but we both have the creeps. I'm concerned because my scumreads aren't attempting a counterpush or bussing. Kiana just gets a bad gut feeling.

UNVOTE: SD

I have a weird feeling about the

Shining Dreamers

wagon, too. But I'm waiting to speak with

Alisae

again, and

Shining Dreamers

is still a scumlean to me right now.

Didn't think the wagon would get that much traction so quickly, though.

Venmar,

are you going to do anything beyond begging for votes?

[Purple Heart]

Fuck. Must sign. I claim 2309

And this, too.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Venmar,

are you going to do anything beyond begging for votes?

is anyone ever in this game going to stop boiling me down to this?

Actually, I didn't think you were just that. I wanted to see if you'd point to reads or your own thoughts on something.

i will sheep this

vote: Shining Dreams

What was the purpose of this vote?

Also, I realized that my regard to you in the previous post was dismissive and could've been interpreted as rude, although that wasn't my intention at all.

I'm sorry about that.

*hugs*

I like how I've used like 50 posts to ask for mana and no one called me out on it.

~B

Lol and that is why Skybird is scum.

Please reread my points on that.

Please reread my post in 2309 and see if you'd care to respond to it.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Are we doing Micc?
VOTE: Micc
Because this works too.

[Purple Heart]

Look
Here is my stance on this
Are we doing Micc or mastina?
I am okay with either one imo

[Purple Heart]

And I mean
As appealing as waiting for you to catch up is.
I don't feel like seeing multiple scumclaims from you over and over insisting that MC is scum with how you've been pushing them currently.

Yeah, you are scum trying to quicklynch us. Town you would at least wait for us to provide more info. Even if you scumread us, you'd let us give info you could use to catch our potential buddies. That's why I believe you are only scum trying to remove us early.

w0w what an agenda

[Purple Heart]

Hey Alisae, can you do a better job of explaining SDs scumminess than just claiming they're "open wolfing"?

-Cerb

Later

[Purple Heart]

Generally, I just don't see what Mastina's agenda is here as scum?
Just to wall so much throughout a catch up that people aren't willing to lynch her?

Like she definitely won't get me dead. And spew clearing me isn't the best idea either since people may just get naturally paranoid of me if the scum team decides that other people are a larger threat then I am. (4 slots potentially may be seen as more threatening then me which is a lot)
Idk I am not really sure what Mastina would be doing here as scum.

~B

um the way she's pushing you is unnatural and completely agenda based.

[Purple Heart]

VOTE: OntheMark

I don't necessarily think he's scum but I see his predictable pattern. He might as well say, scum if you have more powers or influence than me. :/ I just am annoyed. I'll probably move this later.

We are thinking about returning to Micc. We both agree that can be scum.

PLEASE STOP

[Purple Heart]

maid cafe why have you only been pushing micc all game?

WOW
I HAVE NO IDEA
WHY WOULD TOWN BE ONLY PUSHING SCUM ALL GAME?
WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

[Purple Heart]

micc should probably get prodded

decided to iso micc to see what all of the fuss is about. i don't like posts like #1424 and #1465, but i do like posts like #1437, #1469. micc reads more like misunderstood town, his posts feel genuine.

someone might have to hold my hands here but yeah im not interested in voting micc today at all

And what do you think of 1440?

[Purple Heart]

We're not doing mastina or micc. I'm going to keep catching up and will post stuff, but I'm going to tell Cerb to go ahead and reveal something we've been talking about for a few days ... just waiting for Varsoon to answer a question.

~D

I WANT THE FUCKING DAY TO END DRIXX I LOVE AND RESPECT YOU BUT I THINK I AM LOSING MY SHIT

[Purple Heart]

YA KNOW WHAT
FUCK THIS
I'M GONE FOR 1-2 DAYS HOPEFULLY
I WANT THIS DAY TO END
I AM LITERALLY LOSING MY SHIT
HAVE FUN WITH FUCKING TALY.

[Purple Heart]

OnTheMark
Chara
Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
Creature
Almost50
Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
SnarkySnowman
Gamma Emerald
Purple Heart (Hydra: Alisae & Taly)
Skybird
Venmar

Iconeum
Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
Micc
Dunnstral

LIKE THIS
HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL
BECAUSE ITS JUST TOWN TALKING AND SPAMMING
LIKE HOLY FUCK.

Pedit: I'll be keeping my eye on the thread I'm just going insane with how unproductive we're all being
Like
I just want the day to end

[Purple Heart]

Actually there is ONE or TWO changes that come to mind but I am keeping my cards to my chest and not telling Taly because he'll just follow me around everywhere.
And even bringing THOSE up won't do me any good right now.

[Purple Heart]

Eh I'm bored I'll mention a thing

Btw, I got a PM telling me my vote was stolen

WHY HAVEN'T YOU VOTED SOMEONE TO PROVE THIS.

[Purple Heart]

Eh I'm bored I'll mention a thing

Btw, I got a PM telling me my vote was stolen

WHY HAVEN'T YOU VOTED SOMEONE TO PROVE THIS.

He said he got it back. Please verify before holding shit like this otherwise you’re spamming yourself when you claim to want to stop it.

he still hasn't voted to prove it.

[Purple Heart]

Oh ok I'm bad at mafia then

[Purple Heart]

Hold on,

Reasonably Rational

, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of

Varsoon

saying people can have guesses?

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Hold on,

Reasonably Rational

, 2455 - is that an ability, because I don't see a post of

Varsoon

saying people can have guesses?

~ Taly

Yes, that is the claim about our role that we wanted to make and have available as something SS could lie detect, so people could then get involved in helping us maximize the information we can gain about the setup.

-Cerb

Why the claim now, though? To reinforce your read on

Chara

?

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

@Reasonably Rational

Well, that cleared up most questions I had on your playstyle so far in this game.

Is

Chara

your biggest scumread at the moment?

In light of

Alisae

taking a short break, I'm going to reevaluate some reads because I dislike the stagnation of the gamestate. Furthermore; this hydra's current scumreads and pushes have not even messaged in the game, and it's frustrating.

I hate short posts like these, but there's severe weather happening tonight where I live, so my posting size and time will be inconsistent.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

UNVOTE:

I want to see

Micc's

replacement post if he truly can't contribute to the game anymore.

Not all of this is in order, but most of it.

Though, Top 3 reads are the only reads I can say I'm pretty confident in and they're town. So yay.

Also, I haven't done in depth ISOs yet, and I'm scared too because there's just so much filler in this game and multiple players with over 200 posts... So some of these reads are based a bit off gut.

Readslist

Spoiler: Town

Town

Reasonably Rational

- I've been waffling on

Cerb

for a while, because we have similar mindsets but different approaches to this game and playstyle is NAI. However, such a detailed and investigative claim like in 2455 would've never benefited scum. Coupled with 2466 and 2467 which I really liked, makes this a solid townread. Widely-agreed reads often skew perception in the game, and scum wouldn't try and take away from townreads. Also, their reasons for prolonging the day makes sense here, since it aligns perfectly with giving information to them, where they can rely it to the town.

Skybird

- I'll still need to ISO more, but nothing particularly strikes me as off. I've already stated this before, but her outing the neighborhood with

Iconeum

and

Shining Dreamers

screams town to me.

If she were scum and those were her buddies;

then outing her team would be playing directly against her wincon.

If she were scum that was apart of that hood,

then outing would've done nothing but shift more focus onto her, plus, assuming scum have daytalk; she'd probably have told them privately.
She willfully noted interactions and potential associations for later review while stating her opinion of those she was hooded with. 2199

OnTheMark

- Most of his game has been overanalyzing mostly common knowledge facts or new ideas. His game-solving mode and sense of genuine feeling I get from his posts make him a stronger townread. Still, I don't want to sort him out D1. He appears to play the game by thinking up many theories, and I cannot see scum falsely fabricating them.

Almost50

1337 and 2145 - while those full readslists aren't much explained, skimming and rereading a bit of Almost50's post strike me as though he's hunting and gauging for information. That's more than what I can say with the majority of the playerlist.

Almost50

; what do you think about

Skybird

outing the hood, and the

Shining Dreamers

wagon?

Bronya Zaychik

- They've been consistently trying to keep town on the same page, expressing their reads and thoughts on wagons. While I'm going to read them a bit more in depth later, my gut tells me they are genuine, and I haven't seen something that tells me otherwise. 2102 and 2294 are some examples here.

Maid Cafe

- Is there a post or discussion point where one of them hasn't placed their thought or questioned something? Very vocal. Points out inconsistencies in others' reasoning and has been straightforward with their reads and opinions.

Chara

- Honestly, part of me still townreads

Chara's

fakeclaim in 888. I don't see scum claiming Miller and thinking that's ever a good idea... I've been Miller once, and the amount of times I was wagoned, scumread, and discredited was unbelievable... That slot was mislynched in that game, after I replaced out because of life stuff.
However,

Chara

will have to link me all his town games before I believe the fact he's never been mislynched.
I don't know what to feel about him retracting because of scumreads, but my gut tells me this can come from town as well.

((His posts Page 99-100))

...I've been mislynched. A lot. Specifically in Mylo/Lylo. So I relate his pushback and confusion to the reads. If this was some form of scum AtE trick, it's working. Right now, I'm not interested in pushing

Chara

much.

Spoiler: Neutral

Neutral

Gamma Emerald

- Wishy-washy here. Nothing has struck out to me as fully towny or scummy, and my read here is not very confident. Though, he's the most town-esque nullread, I think. He's engaged with me more than the others in this category.

Creature

- He's been meta-read this whole game and after some thought, it's annoying AF. Literally, I've never played with half of you people before; if you come at me with a meta-read argument, good luck convincing me.

Just like what I've seen him in other games, he just posts one-liners and multiple posts at once. If someone wants to tell me how his activity is AI, then

LINK GAMES

. So far, he's null.

Snarky Snowman

- Who? I'm waiting for him to get caught up.

Iconeum

- Partially waiting for more content by

Skybird

and

Shining Dreamers

to help me see his POV in this game. I think he's been making some pushes, and I don't quite get the suspicion on him? I want someone to elaborate their reads on him more. Aside from this, I haven't seen much to indicate much town or scum motivation.

Venmar

- He's pushing for progression, but he hasn't really done much of any push himself or showed a lot of independent reasoning. I'm going to ISO him soon.

Spoiler: Scum

Scum

Dunnstral

- 12 posts in 100 pages. His ISO is dull. He's been here since the beginning of the game though, to my understanding.

1)

What is your reads?

2)

Are you fully caught up?

3)

Thoughts on wagons at the moment?

Baku and Munna

- 281 Townlean because of shitposting? .__. I don't like that this slot is painting game stuff as OMGUS. 1222 1940 - Hasn't given much content or reasons for their thoughts. This is not a confident read, though.

Micc

- ISO

Alisae's

individual posting and this hydra's. If you want a further elaboration, then ask. However, I want to see where people are townreading him.

Shining Dreamers

- ISO

Alisae's

individual posting and this hydra's. If you want further elaboration, then ask. I want to see people's grievances with the wagon here, though.

I dislike having weak general scumreads, this readslist is liable to change very soon, but my most reasoned-for reads are my most confident.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

@alisae what your thoughts on doing this?

~B

I mean I kinda feel some genuine evaluation but at the same time they've had some bad posts
I want you to sell it to me because I am terrible at reading Gamma cause he's just so naturally scummy.

[Purple Heart]

btw if anyone cares about how I differ from

(I have regrets btw)

Um tbh I don't believe A50 had his vote stolen in the first place.
Like
out of all of the players in the player list

A50

gets his vote stolen.
(I don't think he has ever PROVED he got his vote stolen)
And then he magically gets it back.

Like
take a moment
to let it marinate in your head
that A50, NOT RR, NOT BEEBOY, NOT CHARA, NOT CREATURE
BUT A50
got his vote stolen.

Icon is also probs scum btw
(atleast 1 scum in mastina/icon)

Everytime I tell Taly Creature meta he yesmans me.
Venmar can be town.

[Purple Heart]

Btw, I got a PM telling me my vote was stolen

And these were his FIRST posts.

[Purple Heart]

OH, BTW: I was notified I got my vote back

like
even if he got his vote magically back
him not voting before he got it back to prove it is
and this just seems convienent.

[Purple Heart]

Like
Flip The Chessboard around.

If you were a vote thief
Would you steal from the person who
A. hasn't even posted yet
B. Has the reputation of presenting logic that surpasses moonlogic.
C. Is always catching up
D. Not even the best player on the playerlist
And Lastly, E. Debatably has Charisma issues

Compared to
Beeboy
RR
Chara
Creature.

Like it just
doesn't seem realistic to me :/

[Purple Heart]

I am 100% Alisae.

[Purple Heart]

Btw, I got a PM telling me my vote was stolen

And these were his FIRST posts.

See that is the thing.

I actually believe it. But I need you to have faith.

So I make you a deal Alisae — You don’t attack A50 I don’t attack RR until tomorrow. Give it a game day.

You get your vote stolen
what is the first thing you do when you get your vote stolen that isn't out that information.

[Purple Heart]

If its not to try making an attempt to vote
then I don't really know what to say.

[Purple Heart]

I mean
I imagine scum!A50 to do a ton of little silly things like that.
I kinda think A50 isn't someone you can use "common sense" like that and I think its perfectly in his scum range.

So Snarky should either A. Lie detect Drixx's claim or B. Lie detect A50's "I had my vote stolen" post.

[Purple Heart]

It is a silly thing that doesn't get them any real towncred, since they didn't prove it, and legitimately made them more suspicious for that same reason.

See
I think A50 still does this even considering this :/

[Purple Heart]

Eh yeah Lie Detect A50
then we can take care of Cerby's thing tomorrow if they're alive.

[Purple Heart]

that seems like a nice way to get mana too what is it, 1 mana per question?

[Purple Heart]

I scumread Icon I don't think its an all town hood I think his play is scummy.

[Purple Heart]

Ok thats a response I am happy with thank you a50

Now to get some zs
zzz

[Purple Heart]

Zzz

[Purple Heart]

Titus be honest with me.
Are you trying to PL math?

[Purple Heart]

Also Nancy drew I am pretty sure is not nancy they're probs 2 different users.

[Purple Heart]

BEE SELL ME ON GAMMA

[Purple Heart]

Can you just give me your blind faith? <3


~B

I mean I can
But I feel like this is an excuse for you to be lazy and your explanations are my catnip.

And no I am not going to bloc with mastina I want mastina to

But I will bloc with Bee

[Purple Heart]

I mean
In my mind my townbloc is already formed so...

[Purple Heart]

Can you just give me your blind faith? <3


~B

I mean I can
But I feel like this is an excuse for you to be lazy and your explanations are my catnip.

And no I am not going to bloc with mastina I want mastina to

But I will bloc with Bee

I am getting my reads through 3rd party tools so I can't really explain them

But on a serious note I'll talk them out on friday once I am done with my test.
Until then I'd rather not get into it.

~B

BEE
THIS IS SOMETHING I LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN I WAKE UP
YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE ME HANGIN LIKE THIS

[Purple Heart]

Plus I think we all know you say you're studying for your test
But you're actually procrastinating

[Purple Heart]

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 > Spending the time it would take to explain my read instead saying why I can't explain my read > explaining my read.

~B

Purple Heart?
More like
Broken Heart
e
e
b
o
y

--

Can you just give me your blind faith? <3


~B

I mean I can
But I feel like this is an excuse for you to be lazy and your explanations are my catnip.

And no I am not going to bloc with mastina I want mastina to

But I will bloc with Bee

I am getting my reads through 3rd party tools so I can't really explain them

But on a serious note I'll talk them out on friday once I am done with my test.
Until then I'd rather not get into it.

~B

What if I said I could make almost any third party tool think I am any alignment I wanted?

Please disregard coding. It can’t read minds or role PMs.

its a me

[Purple Heart]

It's a meme*

[Purple Heart]

The difference between mastina in beneath the mask and mastina here is that
A. Mastina was obvtown from pre-game from my pov and
B. That was eddie cane's game.

[Purple Heart]

My preferred lynch is Micc slot.

[Purple Heart]

OH BABY
YEEEEEES

I mean
Thank you bee, I got that trend too but I felt like his evaluation of my Micc case was natural so I townread that.
But I mean, tbf there are more signs that point to scum!gamma then town!gamma so...
VOTE: Gamma

[Purple Heart]

2735

I don't interpret

Shining Dreamers'

reaction to the game as flailing, I think

Mastina's

posted recently and I'm going to engage her on that, but what's the point in a townblock if the reads are faked?

@Shining Dreamers

1)

If one of your heads is having a rough time, then don't push yourself. Come back with a clear mind and read up to date before posting.

2)

Elaborate on how mine and MC's claim is not considered town, and how SS' is?

((Just reread and noticed that, I'm invested in SS now.))

Neither of them interacted at all with the wagon, so nothing has really changed much with my opinion there.

I like 2600 from

Almost50

; he's literally asking to be investigated which makes me think he's been genuine in the first place.

@Titus

The

Taly

head (me) has halted on trying to sort

OnTheMark

at the moment, my gut tells me he's very much town but I can't be certain until flips are veiled. I also haven't gotten much, if any, useful info. by pointing him to my posts... I feel like my misunderstanding with him is Town-Town, since I think him pushing for many different theories is playstyle, which is at worst NAI, or towny.

I'm not yet sold on a wagon with him unless my other scum/null reads become more/less confident.
Can you link where his "counterclaim"?

What the shit? When did I become the hot topic?

You have voteparked on

Iconeum

for 100 pages and have done nothing else notable. Tell me why I'm wrong.

I'm having fun.
That said, large games can be a huge undertaking and this one already has 100+ pages, so just keeping up with all of it on top of the mechanics I tend to put into a game can be overwhelming.
I want you all to know that I appreciate your dedication to the game. I know staying up to date with a game like this one can be difficult, so thanks for sticking with it.

I'm happy to be playing this game It's very interesting and I've never been in a game as complex as this. I'd happily join some more games you'd mod in the future

Varsoon

. Also, you're doing a very good job staying on top of everything given the circumstances!

Can't say the same about my gamplay right now, though. X_x

~ Taly

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~ Taly

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I only voted Iconeum halfway through, and I haven't seen a reason to leave

.____.

I starting to see what

Maid Cafe

and

Alisae

saw in the fact that you're being pretty vague and not open much at all.

Why haven't you replied to

Iconeum

? He's posted multiple times and you haven't engaged. I highly doubt, with 16 players other than yourself, and with this much to read in the game; that's your only scumread, or the only person worth pushing.

2757 - You also don't have anything to say about the read on you? I get that it's partially meta-based, but this gives me the impression that you're pretty alright with a wagon on you, which strikes me as anti-town.

Also, I don't understand your

Micc

read progression through ISO.
The first mention I see, looking at your ISO, is that you townread

Micc

2213 - And I'm not seeing a post where you talked to him prior to this, so can you link one?

You say he needs review not long after in 2226
2235 - you ask questions on a townread of his.
2325 - you say his reads are convenient, but haven't really stated why.
2328 - I can only assume this is you stating your dislike for a post that was 700 posts earlier, and you're speaking about it now when

Micc's

not really in the game at this point.

Your "look" onto him seems fruitless, and your other posts so far hasn't really added much of anything.

~~~

Can someone tell me how

baku and munna

is supposedly in a hood again? Like, are there 2 hoods or is someone throwing shit around? -_-

Also

OnTheMark

, I'm a player. Nice to see you.

~ Taly

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Hi everyone.

K,I know I’m 100 pages in but would anyone be so kind as to give me the cribb notes? Please help a new sub out; tia.

Ye you steal mana from people and you give people creatures
can you confirm this?

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a50 I don't care anymore :/

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Is it just me or is nancy dissapearing wolfy?

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Its been 40mins.
Taly is telling me the same thing tbh :/

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yeah she dissapeared so she could ask her buddies what an appropriate response would be.

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Or better yet just let the question go away completely.

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You are determined to derail me from my scumreads :/

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No A50 that is a meme.
There is a difference.

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MathBlade ur scum aren't you.

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That or its just a normal day in the ordinary life of MathBlade.
I am having a hard time trying to find the difference.

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Eh
I'll worry about it if my scumreads start flipping red.
I think its more likely you're town tbh.

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varsoon puts a sample role pm in his games
RC doesn't.

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From how I see it, it means if Alisae is scum it isn’t with Micc/Nancy. It also to me means the Creature owner if scum, is not aligned with Micc/Nancy.

Furthermore Alisae supposedly copied a role and stole mana. How would that apply to cards?

It doesn't.

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tbh I kinda just gave it to Chara on a whim.
I heard they were town and didn't really think much about it besides
"Bee is really obvious town and likely going to get shot and I don't want to put all of my eggs in one basket"

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Cerby I don't think Chara is scum, I don't think Chara makes that move as a wolf, I really don't.

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Like, I've seen that exact same stunt before from town.
I agree its not a town motivated move
But at the same time I don't think wolves in general claim miller then retract.

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You're going to have to refresh my memory I am in class

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Like
Chara plays safe and does safe things as scum and I don't recollect them being one to make "plays" like that that put them in danger for no reason.

Pedit: And you got lynched. That also happened because you didn't see my miller claim.
And even then you used the word "replacement"
That in of itself changes the situation completely.

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Have a nice dinner.

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Cerby take a breath.
Take a breath.
It is going to be ok.

[Purple Heart]

Also Cerby the miller convo was something I brought up when talking about Chara.

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You asked me why I gave Chara a creature
I responded
I also elaborated on my Chara read
I was poked about miller shit
I responded.

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This is the first time I am hearing about this.

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I looked at my ability to give people creatures
I thought
"Cool I can make townie people a doublevoter"
Not
"By giving this person a creature, they can now never summon a creature without revealing their color identity."

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Is it really?
Because I literally replaced in, copied someone right away, and used all of my shit right away.

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Has A50 retracted his claim yet?

~B

That he got his vote taken away or?

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I have a bomb I get to drop as well.
Again I'll talk about that D2 :3

And um
No he hasn't in fact he wants it checked by Snarky I also got shat on for suggesting it was a fakeclaim.

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I don't remember her vote history off the top of my head but I do remember her votes this day phase were "this day needs to end" and I agree with that completely

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If she got another vote cool
I don't really care that much.

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If you plan on giving someone a vote give it to beeboy.

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I Really
Do not care
If I get the creature or not
people know what I play so what, the things I am going to be playing when I get to play them are scary sure but meh.
Also I don't care if people know my color or not.