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Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:55 pm

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NEWBIE 1863
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Welcome to Newbie 1863: Rugby!

Your moderator is mhsmith0.

Playerlist:
  1. Oxy (replaced DirtyDishSoap)
  2. Irrelephant11 (replaced ImBad14)
  3. James Brafin
  4. Flicker (repalced CH4M3L30N)
  5. teacher
  6. brassherald (replaced Nauci) (SE)
  7. Meji Fan (replaced Cedrick) (SE)
  8. Not Known 15 (replaced TheGoldenParadox) (SE)
  9. Thor665 (IC)
Spoiler: Living Players
  1. Irrelephant11 (replaced ImBad14),
    Mafia Rolecop
    , survived and won!
  2. Quick (replaced brassherald replaced Nauci) (SE),
    Mafia Goon
    , survived and won!


Spoiler: Deceased Players
  1. James Brafin,
    Vanilla Townie
    , lynched day 1
  2. Thor665 (IC),
    Vanilla Townie
    , lynched day 2
  3. Not Known 15 (replaced TheGoldenParadox) (SE),
    Town Jailkeeper
    , killed night 2
  4. Flicker (repalced CH4M3L30N),
    Vanilla Townie
    , lynched day 3
  5. Oxy (replaced DirtyDishSoap),
    Vanilla Townie
    , endgamed
  6. teacher,
    Town Tracker
    , endgamed
  7. Meji Fan (replaced Cedrick) (SE),
    Vanilla Townie
    , endgamed


Spoiler: Replacement Queue


Spoiler: PT Links - to be released post-game
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:15 pm

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General Site Rules:
  • Follow all site rules. Play to your wincon but above all play to have fun. Do not ruin the game for others.
  • If you have something that you need to communicate with me
    bold
    your text or I cannot guarantee I will see it.
  • As the MOD I reserve the right to modkill or force-replace players as I see fit.
  • If you feel I have erred send me a PM and let me know.
  • That said, do not bring disagreements with me into the thread. That is what the PM is for. The same goes for disagreements with other players.
  • Do not use invisible or in some way encrypted fonts or typing.
  • Do not quote communications with the moderator (in particular, your role PM). Quoting the timestamp of your role PM counts as quoting your role PM. Paraphrasing communications, however, is usually ok.
General game rules:
  • I will use the colour
    #FFAA00
    . This is my color and only my color. Don't use it.
  • A lynch is reached when a majority of all players (half rounded down plus one) are voting for the same target.
  • If a majority is not reached by the deadline, a No Lynch will occur.
  • You may vote No Lynch in the same way that you vote for a lynch. Once a majority has voted for a no lynch the day immediately ends.
  • Abuse of an infinite no-lynch/no-kill loop will not be tolerated. Do not even contemplate it.
  • Votes must be written in
    bold
    as
    Vote: Player
    or use the VOTE: Player tag. Votes that are not tagged will not be counted.
  • Votes in quotes, spoiler tags or otherwise hidden will also not be counted.
  • Votes that misspell or have other minor errors will be counted as normal as long as I understand what you are getting at.
  • Unvotes are helpful, but not necessary. Let me know if I make an error in vote counts and I will correct them.
  • I will try and do vote counts often but if you want one just let me know. In general, I will be mainly available evenings (5 PM - 12 PM Pacific) and weekends, so you may not get a quick VC if it's in the middle of the day.
  • As the MOD I will keep communication down to the absolute minimum possible (aside from vote counts and the like). I do not want to influence the game itself – that is for the players to do.
  • Flips will have full role revealed. For details on what roles mean, please see the sample role PMs below.
Game Flow:
  • The Game will begin and the thread will be unlocked after 7 players confirm via PM, or 48 hours after role PMs are sent, whichever is faster. I will not, however, unlock the game thread before 24 hours have passed.
  • I will auto-replace any player who has not picked up their role PMs within 72 hours after I send out role PMs.
  • If you have not posted for 48 hours you will receive a prod. If you do not post within 24 hours of a prod you will be replaced. A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
  • Please announce if you are going on V/LA. I prefer this announced in thread unless there is a specific reason not to. If you are on V/LA, you are still expected to post in thread at least every 96 hours. If this is an issue for you, please discuss it with me PRIVATELY via PM.
  • Three prods may result in being replaced at my discretion. Three prods in the same day phase, or four prods in the span of two day phases, WILL result in you being force replaced for inactivity.
  • Day phases will last a maximum of 14 days.
  • Each Night Phase will last 48 hours.
  • Mafia may
    only chat during pregame and during night phases; during day phases, when the main game thread is unlocked, mafia may not talk to each other.
    chat at any time.
  • You may communicate as normal during the twilight phase until I close the thread but votes/un-votes will not count.
  • Extensions may be granted for replacements or extenuating circumstances.
  • A missed Night Action will result in a No Action.
  • The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.
  • If you must replace out, PM me privately and stop posting in thread.
  • If a player replaces out while having a vote active, that vote will remain active until such time as the replacement chooses to unvote or vote elsewhere. The sole exception is when a player replaces out while self-voting. In that case, the act of replacing in is considered an automatic unvote.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:17 pm

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basic game and site functionality
  1. Using the "code" tag will let you show something in code to demonstrate, see below
  2. Voting is done by using the vote tags:

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    [vote]mhsmith0[/vote]
    gets you VOTE: mhsmith0
  3. Unvoting is done by using the unvote tags:

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    [unvote]mhsmith0[/unvote]
    gets you UNVOTE: mhsmith0, or you can simply vote someone else
  4. As a reminder, Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed. This includes discussion ongoing games here or this game elsewhere.
  5. It is not an official rule, but as a courtesy, please do not use the spoiler tags, but instead the spoiler=tag. This is because phones cannot read spoiler tag.

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    can be read on any device.
    blah blah blah
    can only be read on a computer.
  6. It is generally recommended to choose an avatar. This is a courtesy to fellow players, so that they can more easily differentiate you from other players when reading the thread. You can do this by going to User Control Panel, then Profile, then "Edit Avatar", and you can upload a picture or gif that will go along with your user name when you post.
  7. If you have any questions about basic rules, or the newbie setup, feel free to ask them in thread or PM me directly.
  8. Good Luck Everyone!



important setup information
Newbie Setup

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Cop and Town Neopolitan
Town Cop and Town Tracker
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor
Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Neopolitan and Town Doctor
Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by
one mafia goons
and
five vanilla townies
appropriately, to create a
2-mafia
and
7-town
setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.
Mafia Roleblocker
action takes precedence over a
Town Jailkeeper
action should that apply




Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:
Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a
Town Jailkeeper
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a
Town Cop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Town
or
Mafia
. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town NeapolitanWelcome!

You are a
Town Neapolitan
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Vanilla Townie
or
Not Vanilla Townie
. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a
Town Tracker
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they visited, if any. If they visited nobody, you will be told they did not visit anyone. If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a
Town Doctor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Goon
.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Rolecop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.
Vanilla Townies
and
Mafia Goons
will both return "Vanilla". If your action is blocked, you will be informed that you have received No Result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Roleblocker
.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:19 pm

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Welcome to MafiaScum!

The following is information that should help you acclimate to the game of mafia, mafiascum site meta, and the newbie game format specifically.

Basic Game Mechanics

Spoiler: Alignment and Role Randing
Every single player is randed into a role and alignment by a random, unbiased process (typically random.org, dice tags ,etc). In particular, an IC is no more or less likely to be town or mafia (or a power role for either alignment) than an SE or a newbie.


Spoiler: How to Vote
You vote either by bolding someone’s name or using vote tags, which look like:

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[v]Player Name[/v]

Most mods will accept minor misspellings of a player’s name as being a valid vote.
While we’re at it: don’t self-vote. Self-voting can sometimes be appropriate behavior for mafia; it is virtually never appropriate behavior for town. Do not do it.


Spoiler: Lynching
When a majority of living players votes for someone, that person is lynched.


Spoiler: MYLO and LYLO
The mafia will win when they equal or outnumber the town. This means that, for the mafia to win, they must at some point reach what is known as MYLO (mislynch and lose) or LYLO (lynch correctly or lose).
MYLO happens when the town only outnumbers the mafia by 2 during a day phase, and LYLO happens when the town only outnumbers the mafia by 1 during a day phase. In the newbie game format, this can happen as early as day 3 given two mislynches and one or two successful night kills.
In MYLO/LYLO, the mafia have the ability to win by quick-hammering a town that has votes on them. As a consequence, it is important to have all of the relevant information you can get as town. For starters, during MYLO/LYLO there is typically a mass claim of power roles if any still survive. This helps ensure that there is a cleared town member, or if there are countering claims, it helps to narrow down who might or might not be mafia. If you are in MYLO/LYLO, and it is possible or outright known (based on flipped roles) that at least one town PR still exists, DO NOT VOTE before the mass claim happens.



MafiaScum Site Meta

Spoiler: Random Voting Stage (RVS)
On MafiaScum, games typically begin with what is known as RVS. Because town has not information about who is or is not mafia, while mafia know everyone’s alignment (though not roles), games typically begin with voting and questioning other people. RVS usually starts with silly-looking votes for silly-looking reasons, but it is through these votes and the reactions to them that we can start to determine who seems likeliest to be mafia.


Spoiler: Basic Lynch Mechanics and Role Claiming
When a majority of living players vote for the same slot, that person is lynched. On day one, the fifth player to vote for someone is what is known as the “hammer” vote. If you are the third or fourth voter, it is common and courteous to make this very explicitly clear (L-2, L-1 notation after your vote, preferably in bold and/or large letters).
If there are four votes on someone and you intend to be the fifth, you should state hammer intent. This gives the player you want to hammer a chance to make a final defense and potentially role claim. DO NOT hammer someone without giving them a chance to defend themselves and if necessary role claim.
If you are a vanilla townie, this is appropriate behavior because someone who seems suspicious or “off” may simply be a town PR (power role), and because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you lynched the next day.
If you are a town PR, this is appropriate behavior because you may end up hammering the OTHER town PR, and because hammering without caring for a claim is often a signal that YOU are a town PR, and because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you into a situation where you are forced to claim your role the next day.
If you are a mafia, this is appropriate behavior because it is considered highly suspicious behavior and may get you lynched the next day.
If you are a vanilla townie who is up against hammer intent on you, DO NOT FAKE CLAIM. It is common for the actual town PR(s) to counter claim you, and that will allow the mafia the ability to kill the town PR at night. Defend yourself, but if you have to claim a role, do not lie.
If you are mafia who is up against hammer intent on you, do whatever you think will advance your win condition. This may be self-defense, or fake claiming a town power role, or may simply be claiming vanilla townie. Use your judgement about what will help your team the most.
For the town, lynching each day is essential, with very specific exceptions. Do not ever no lynch on day 1.


Spoiler: Scum-Hunting
Scum-hunting is hard! But even harder than scum-hunting is fake scum-hunting. If all town-aligned players invest into the game, and are truly trying to figure out who is and is not mafia, then it becomes massively harder for mafia players to blend in and either actively drive mislynches or sit back and watch town destroy itself; moreover, their insincere attempts to pretend to be trying to sort and solve players’ alignments stands out starkly against a town that is collectively engaged in sincere, energetic and aggressive attempts to find the mafia. If most to all town-aligned players are inactive, or lazy, or just choose to let someone else do the work, then it becomes much harder for town to win. Moreover, it’s simply a much more fun game when everyone is active and engaged.


Spoiler: Do Not Talk About Ongoing Games
Do not discuss ongoing games. This is an important aspect to site rules; as long as a different game is ongoing, it should be treated as if it doesn't even exist. For example, consider:
Subject: Newbie 1809 | Gentoo | Endgame
mhsmith0 wrote:Also a lesson about not posting about ongoing games...

(Pm sent to penguin)
mhsmith0 wrote:Subject: Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!
UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 867, fferyllt wrote:
In post 861, UnaBombaH wrote:I think MafiaScum might not be for me. GG to all.
I hope you'll give it another try. I watched your other game, and you replaced into a slot that was going to be nearly impossible to rehabilitate. Which was a problem for you here, too.

Maybe try playing from the start of a game next time, so you're not stuck with whatever problems another player created before being replaced.


Kind of a side thought, but I've been thinking about running a game in the micro queue sometime soon that could be a good transition from the newbie game format to something just a little more challenging.
I cant speak of ongoing games, but you could possibly find somewhere what happens when I finally get to start my own slot. It just might be that I die while sleeping because someone is bored.
Im so frustrated with that specific possibility, that I will always be a townie to be lynched. It might be a newbie game problem, but people lynching just to fast forward to D2/D3 really grinds my gears.. :igmeou:
This post very strongly implies that the jackass who LOLhammered him in your game was town, and cabd is a backup mod in this game and an IC in yours. I don't know what optimal approach is, but you should be aware of it.
Bold/underline mine. That specific language very strongly implied creative was town because if creative was scum, why would it be anything other than good scum play to quicklynch and get away w it? This was something that got redacted QUICKLY by fferyllt (mod in other game) especially since rc and cabd were both involved in that game and could have seen the post.
Scum have the absolute right to not have their alignment revealed due to someone (especially someone who already has been told peoples' alignments) talking about the game in a public forum.
This is something this site takes VERY seriously.



Newbie Game Format

Spoiler: Newbies, SEs, and ICs
Players are split between newbies, semi-experienced players, and (typically) one inexperienced-challenged player.
Newbies are players who are, well, new. That does NOT necessarily mean that they are new to the game of mafia; they may simply be new to this site.
Semi-experienced players have met experience requirements and can generally be assumed to have some level of familiarity with the game mechanics, site meta, etc. Please note that SE players DO NOT have any particular obligations to be helpful or do anything beyond the obligations of any other player in a mafia game.
Inexperience-challenged players (ICs) are players who have met experience requirements that are more stringent than SE players and who DO have obligations beyond those standard to any player in a mafia game. In particular, IC players are bound by the standards as laid out in Being a Good IC.


Spoiler: The Setup
The current newbie game setup is 2d3. The most important things that you need to know are:
  1. There are seven town players and two mafia players.
  2. There are probably (but NOT definitely) two town power roles. Unlike matrix6, there are many different possible combinations of town power roles; for example, the existence of a cop does not prevent the existence of a tracker; nor does the existence of a jailkeeper prevent the existence of a doctor.
  3. There may (or may not) be a single mafia power role.
  4. Each possible combination of town power roles appears only once in the setup. This means that if a cop and neapolitan flip, then you know that all other town roles are vanilla townies, and that scum have a goon and a roleblocker. On the other hand, if a mafia goon and a cop flips, it is not public knowledge whether the setup is A1 (town neapolitan, mafia roleblocker), A3 (town doctor, mafia roleblocker), B1 (town tracker, mafia rolecop), or C1 (vanilla townie, mafia goon).
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #4 (isolation #4) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:26 pm

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Role PM's have been sent out.

It is now Pregame.


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SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #5 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:16 pm

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At least seven players have confirmed their role PM's.

It is now Day One.


Time to get busy lynching!

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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #6 (isolation #6) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:32 pm

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Not Voting (9)
everyone

Day one deadline is Wednesday April 25th, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-25 21:00:00)


With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!
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BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #29 (isolation #7) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:13 am

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Replacing cedrick
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #33 (isolation #8) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:37 am

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Meji Fan replaces Cedrick effective immediately.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #42 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:30 pm

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ImBad14 and CH4M3L30N have not picked up role PMs and will be replaced.
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SR: I want to give him a day
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Post Post #43 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:35 pm

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Post Post #46 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:18 am

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,
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,
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Thor665 (1)
,
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, ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday April 25th, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-25 21:00:00)


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Post Post #93 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:18 pm

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,
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, ,
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,
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,
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Post Post #94 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:20 pm

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Post Post #103 (isolation #14) » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:34 am

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Friendly mod warming

Subject: Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed
zoraster wrote:
Discussion of Ongoing Mafia Games is Not Allowed


Recently we have had a spate of people discussing ongoing games. Though this has led to a record number of ongoing game bans, there may be a perception that there is some wiggle room when it comes to discussing ongoing games. This post is to tell you that there is not.

It does not matter if you are dead.
It does not matter if you don't think it will affect a game.
It does not matter if you aren't in the game.
It does not matter if you are posting about a game taking place on another forum or posting about an MS game on another forum.
It does not matter if you are moderating the game in question.

Discussing ongoing games by quoting or otherwise referring to an ongoing game is forbidden. There is no clever way around this rule. Don't try.

If you are unsure whether something violates the rule against discussing ongoing games, please don't hesitate to contact a listmod.

THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU


Discussing ongoing games may result in a full game ban. This will mean that you are force replaced out of all your games, and you will not be allowed to replace back into them at the end of your ban. Further bans will be far harsher, including and up to a permanent ban from the site.

Game Moderators: Take IMMEDIATE action.


Game moderators are expected to step in and take immediate action when players discuss ongoing games in the game thread -- at least a public warning in the thread not to discuss ongoing games. This is not optional for the game moderator. You may not, as a game moderator, allow people to discuss ongoing games in your thread unless the other game allows for it explicitly in the rules.

Exceptions


There are three primary exceptions.

Communications with authorities

You may PM, IM or otherwise contact the game mod(s), listmods who aren't involved in the game, and admins who aren't in the game. Likewise, listmods and admins will sometimes discuss ongoing games for administrative purposes.

The Game Allows Outside Communication

Where a game allows communication, it may be allowed. This must be EXPLICITLY stated in the rules (and as a listmod, we'd appreciate it if game mods would give us a heads up when this is the case).

Please note that a game mod may allow communications about his or her OWN game to be discussed elsewhere, but he or she may
NOT
allow discussion of other ongoing games in their thread.

Discussions about Activity

Players may discuss activity in other games in a general sense, including counting how many games a player is alive in. However, this may not mention ANYTHING of substance.

OKAY:
"Zoraster is alive in 4 games and is posting in those games, but he hasn't posted here in 3 days."
NOT OKAY:
"Zoraster is alive in 4 games where he's posting lengthy posts. <The violation here is mentioning that the posts are LONG. This is a substantive statement.>
OKAY:
"I'm alive in 3 games, and I'm having trouble keeping up with all of them."
NOT OKAY:
: "I'm in LYLO in a game, so that's taking a lot of my time." <The violation here is mentioning that you're in LYLO. This is a substantive statement.>


---

This isn't a hard rule to stay on the right side of the line on. The listmods would like to never have to take action again. Please don't try and toe the line on ongoing games.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:23 am

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Post Post #151 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:02 pm

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vc


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, ,
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,
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Post Post #153 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:47 pm

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Post Post #154 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:58 pm

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Oxe
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Post Post #174 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:57 am

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Post Post #192 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:33 pm

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,
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,
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Post Post #272 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:16 pm

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Post Post #307 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:49 am

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Post Post #362 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 am

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Post Post #363 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:31 am

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James Brafin was lynched. He was

Spoiler:
Vanilla Townie


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Post Post #364 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:14 am

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Image

You wake to find that No One was killed. He was

Spoiler:
Not A Player In This Game
.


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Post Post #431 (isolation #26) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:32 pm

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Post Post #475 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:22 am

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vc


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Post Post #518 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:15 pm

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Thor665 (1)
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Post Post #575 (isolation #29) » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:59 am

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vc


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Post Post #587 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:46 pm

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Meji Fan (3)Irrelephant11 , Flicker , Oxy L-2

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Post Post #599 (isolation #31) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:28 am

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Prodding Thor665, Irrelephant11
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Post Post #600 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:29 am

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Oxy (1)Thor665 ,
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Meji Fan (2)Irrelephant11 , Flicker
Thor665 (4)Nauci, Not Known 15, teacher , Oxy L-1



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Post Post #646 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:42 am

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Post Post #678 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 am

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Meji Fan (2)Irrelephant11 , Flicker
Thor665 (4)Nauci, Not Known 15, Oxy, teacher L-1



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Post Post #746 (isolation #35) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:33 am

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Oxy (1)Thor665 ,
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Meji Fan (1)Irrelephant11
Thor665 (5)Nauci, Not Known 15, Oxy, teacher, Flicker L-0



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Post Post #747 (isolation #36) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:35 am

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Thor665 was lynched. He was

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Post Post #748 (isolation #37) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:35 am

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Post Post #749 (isolation #38) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:20 am

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Post Post #750 (isolation #39) » Thu May 03, 2018 7:12 am

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You wake to find that Not Known 15 was killed. He was

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Post Post #833 (isolation #40) » Fri May 04, 2018 8:46 am

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Post Post #872 (isolation #41) » Sat May 05, 2018 2:48 pm

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Post Post #912 (isolation #42) » Mon May 07, 2018 6:45 pm

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Post Post #949 (isolation #43) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:34 pm

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Post Post #950 (isolation #44) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:34 pm

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Post Post #995 (isolation #45) » Wed May 09, 2018 7:37 pm

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Post Post #1027 (isolation #46) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:45 am

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Post Post #1061 (isolation #47) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:45 am

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Post Post #1062 (isolation #48) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:47 am

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Post Post #1109 (isolation #49) » Mon May 14, 2018 3:02 pm

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Post Post #1110 (isolation #50) » Mon May 14, 2018 3:50 pm

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Post Post #1121 (isolation #51) » Tue May 15, 2018 5:24 am

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Post Post #1157 (isolation #52) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:35 am

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Post Post #1158 (isolation #53) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:36 am

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Flicker was lynched! He was

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Post Post #1159 (isolation #54) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:36 am

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Post Post #1172 (isolation #55) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:47 am

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Some VERY quick thoughts

1) Irrelephant played a pretty strong newbscum game imo. The one caution I'd make would be that at least sometimes, towns will force you into harder situations where you can't just make generically town-looking posts, but will actually have to more actively push scum wincon instead of

2) Oxy, if you can channel what you were doing in this game for when you rand scum, you'll be a very formidable player. When you're town, I'd probably recommend a bit more re-evaluation, particularly when you're proven wrong about something. "I think A and I think B, I'm wrong about A, therefore B is still likely" isn't always going to be wrong, but I think you'll find that more often than not it just means that your reads are generally wrong. When you're right about B and wrong about A, there tends to be scum energy involved in pushing you towards A, and trying ot look for that as a test of whether B truly holds true is I think a valuable exercise of time.

3) Meji you had quality reads for most of the game, but for better or worse activity is considered more important than accuracy for many people. If you're able to summon more time to be more active, you'll be better able to get the lynches you want.

4) D1/2 VC's:
James Brafin (5)Thor665 , Irrelephant11 , Not Known 15 , teacher , Oxy , L-0
teacher (1)Nauci ,
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Not Known 15 (1)James Brafin ,
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Oxy (1)Thor665 ,
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Meji Fan (1)Irrelephant11
Thor665 (5)Nauci, Not Known 15, Oxy, teacher, Flicker L-0

In both cases there was a runaway lynch wagon, and in both cases you saw scum more off wagon than on. In general, unless there's a counterwagon on a slot that seems very scummy or the main wagon just looks like total bullshit for one reason or another, you're generally likelier to see scum off wagon compared to on.

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Post Post #1174 (isolation #56) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:48 am

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In post 1168, Quick wrote:I believe this was the second shortest game I have ever played. :)
I won a game once where the last scum self-hammered before I made my first in-game post. That was pretty amusing tbh.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #57) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:49 am

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Also please don't discuss ongoing games. Discussing subbing out of ongoing games is part of discussing ongoing games. tyvm :)
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #58) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:54 am

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FWIW:
In post 197, Nauci wrote:I think I'm going to take the next day or so to do a complete re-read and evaluation of the game with knowledge of the replacements' posts in mind.

My gut still says teacher though so I'll park here for now.

VOTE: teacher
I considered this a pretty clear "oh look I don't actually care who's getting lynched and am perfectly happy dumping my vote somewhere it doesn't matter and making no waves at all on the runaway james mislynch" sort of thing
I might look through the various votes if I have more time, but I considered this a really sketchy looking vote at the time and was very surprised that Nauci wasn't a major wagon d2 *shrugs*
I'll say that, in fairness, it's harder to evaluate someone who has legitimate RL reasons to be less active... but what she was doing with the time she had imo deserved far more scrutiny.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #59) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 1176, brassherald wrote:I was in a game that was, in practice, won in the first post. I was Night Killed before making a post, too.
In one game I subbed in at night as bodyguard (oddly enough, I subbed in for thor), saved the outed vig, and then watched as town imploded in pretty awful fashion. It was a terrible setup but still, that was way more of a "how things go for smith" type of thing than the game I won without ever needing to even post :P
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #60) » Tue May 15, 2018 11:40 am

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also for amusement sake...
In post 101, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant is suuuuuuch a good player

Idc which alignment I am, the next game I get him I'm pushing for a d1 lynch out of paranoia
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #61) » Tue May 15, 2018 11:49 am

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Yeah but if you were a townie who thought he was town, the natural thought process be more "wow he's playing great despite the game state, I should engage with him better next time, and I wonder if he'd be good at scum" as opposed to just being like "oh crap he's super awesome at scum ima gonna be super paranoid of him next time"
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #62) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:55 pm

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Fwiw I was originally thinking meji was gonna be the d3 mislynch, lolsmith I guess :P
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #63) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:20 pm

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In post 1200, Meji Fan wrote:I can't believe I didn't get lynched D2 honestly
That is the traditional fate of someone whose reads are unusually good but who can't convince the board they're town :P
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #64) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:57 pm

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Post Post #1214 (isolation #65) » Sat May 19, 2018 4:46 am

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In post 1212, Quick wrote:If I was in this game since the beginning, thro probably doesn't get lynched. I say that without really reading like 6/7 of the game though.
But you were scum :P
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #66) » Sat May 26, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 1180, Oxy wrote:I'm not sure what specifically should have caused me to reevaluate.
sorry that I took a while to respond to this one.

imo when you're town you should almost always be re-evaluating. The day 1 mislynch, well, mislynches happen, but at the same time it was basically a unanimous lynch (no one really pushed much of an alternative), and it being a mislynch was decent evidence there was something very very wrong afoot.

Day 2... I think day 2 needed to be a broader discussion; there were multiple slots (flicker, meji, nauci) that were getting away without having to really take positions that mattered, and that meant that when day 3 rolled around, there were a lot of slots that weren't yet evaluated.

Also, Thor ended day 2 basically proclaiming that you were scum... which meant that a whole lot of people were wrong about a whole lot of things. The most experienced player on the board (the IC isn't always this btw, but has decent odds to be in that spot) was materially off base, the lynches weren't particularly good lynches... what are the odds that, having been wrong two days in a row, the consensus view of who's the next group of suspects is correct?

It's certainly not ZERO; sometimes it really is that next set of people who are scum and scum were really just desperately holding off the lynch and hoping that some weirdness and overthinking in LYLO/MYLO would bail them out (I've been in games where this has happened btw, as well as games where this ALMOST happened), but in general the overall board state suggested that town was just wrong about things, and I'd say that as a newer player, being proven wrong two days in a row about the lynches you wanted is good evidence that there's something off in your process, and that you need to take the time to sit down, really figure out why you're reading people the way you are, and try to look at the game with fresh eyes as much as possible.

I'll be honest: it's a HARD skill to develop, and it's even harder to know when NOT to re-evaluate (and I've fallen for both sides of that trap, I'm not proud to admit). But the more you try to figure things out along those lines, the more you'll develop your scumhunting sense as a player.

Also, a game being in LYLO/MYLO is a good chance to re-read the game and think what things might look like given a particular player as scum or a particular possible scum team. In 4/2 MYLO, you're town so you have 5 players to look at, and exactly 2 are scum. That's six possible combinations, and it's not THAT hard to look at the game state in that particular lens and figure out what is or is not reasonable.

As an example: in my first newbie game on site, in 3/2 LYLO there was a conftown (who was my strongest TR even besides the role claim), and I was able to make a case substantially based on which of the three possible scum teams just didn't make any damn sense at all (and if team X was impossible, then the player not in that team must therefore be scum)
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #67) » Sat May 26, 2018 5:07 pm

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Here's that case btw:

Subject: Newbie 1691 - Game Over
mhsmith0 wrote:Really big wall post coming. MANDATORY READING.

So at this point I'm pretty sure KAAG is scum.

1) KAAG himself:
- his primary "contribution" was to town read summer and me. But that is not remotely inconsistent with a reasonable scum plan. It's EASY for scum to town read people; they already know they're town so finding the "best" town reads really isn't all that difficult.
- moreover, his town reads, especially of Summer, just seemed too easy and too certain. See , , ,
- his UTL vote at : it was largely a "I don't like you how voted SIW" vote. Chainsaw defense type behavior, which now that we know Summer is town reads as buddying (as opposed to tactical defense of a scum-buddy). There was some of that wrt UTL's behavior towards me that came later on as well; subtler, but also very plausible buddying behavior.
- a lot of his other scum reads were more looking at scummy-looking behavior rather than having a meaningful theory of WHY this person was scum (here, I'll 100% disagree w/ Ircher's read) - see ,
- etc.

2) Egg-YA team makes no sense. YA pushed pretty hard against Egg almost from the beginning; the only way that strategy makes any sense at all is if they're really sure they've ID'd the JK/Cop/Tracker AND that they're pretty sure that there isn't a doc who has ID'd that role (and could therefore protect it). Egg came REALLY close to dying D1; given that YA was pretty high on peoples' scum lists, AND would have gotten little to no credit for Egg's lynch (especially given ), that's just a horrific scum strategy on D1.
BTW, this point was explicitly called out by Radja on , and KAAG in ... and I have to agree with them.
Moreover, once you're down to just one scum, JK/Tracker each can hard-clear people every night that there is a kill (if there is a kill and the person jailed/tracked didn't do it, then that's a hard clear), and obviously cop can hard-clear or catch people every night as well barring a RB (and since there's a tracker, there can't be an RB).
So the only way that team makes any sense is if YA really wasn't pushing hard against Egg on both D1 and D2 (except he really was), or if they'd correctly ID'd the JK/Cop/Tracker on D1 (and if they had ID'd Shannon, she'd have died N1). So if this was the scum team, they've played a panic type game where they simply couldn't figure out how to do much of ANYTHING except bussing. Which really strains credibility. And I mean, REALLY strains credibility, given how many other plausible cases were floating around, and how close Egg came to dying.
PS I guess is of note as a possible honest moment of YA being super frustrated with a scum-buddy... but it's REALLY hard to find any other evidence of a YA-Egg team.
PPS With a Egg-YA team, YA's reaction to the Thor fake lynch makes no sense either, unless he KNEW that it was fake (and given how many people were fooled, I consider this unlikely, though not impossible). If YA's scum-buddy went down, the LAST thing he would have wanted to do was to look upset over it, since he'd have been an even stronger suspect on D2. It KINDA makes sense as a pre-reaction of "I knew Egg was town so let me criticize the hammer-er"... but I'm not sure. Could be townie pissiness at a day cut short instead.

3) Dead Peoples' Reads (because they DO deserve attention)
Radja
In post 680, Radja wrote:Final reads:

Town

msmith
KAAG
Ircher
Summer
Eggman
YawningAngel
Shannon
Thor
Scum
more detail at

Thor
Was very suspicious of YA (his highest scum read of the three i believe, given that he voted for YA, and his point in 657 on YA was very good), and apparently town read Egg.
wrt KAAG, he basically called KAAG's UTL vote logic BS in . Also pushed KAAG's passive voting at , and explicitly called him scum in , and attacked him against in .
I'd actually consider Thor a VERY notable NK here. Radja's last words were to lynch Thor; he was CLEARLY a plausibly day 2 ML. There's always some WIFOM, but I strongly suspect that Thor was explicitly silenced. And with Ircher gone, that leaves two people who really would have wanted him to stop talking and pushing them.

Shannon
Town reads me, SIW and KAAG at , thinks scum team was Ircher + YA/Egg.

Ircher
In post 1014, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Your last read list:

Likely Town
(85%-97% Confidence)
KAAG (95%) - Fair, unbiased, open, and actively participating and being good town. (Vague, but basically it).
...

Leaning Town
(60%-84% Confidence)
...YA (65%) - His defense of me seems natural and not opportunistic. His hammer yesterday seemed to be a newb mistake that is the result of misunderstanding how things work, making it null. More on his def: YA/Ircher was scumteam, then his defense of me would basically be suicide. If it was Egg/YA, he'd get called out for trying to bus Egg and would benefit more from trying to lynch me for the association becomes weaker. So, likely newbtown here who miswords some stuff, etc.

...
Likely Scum
(76%-100% Confidence)
Egg(-82%) - I outline the reasons why in my "The case against lurkers...." spoilered post. Yes, its cuz of lurking, but lurking isn't policy material, it can be scum indicative, so pls don't discount this as an invalid reason.


Still good?
Other than Thor, I am EXPLICITLY disagreeing with the dead town in my read.


4) Meta
Open 626 ISO
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7655276
More confrontational, more doubting
notably:
In post 356, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:I find it borders on insulting to say that someone is obv!town on D1. Your basically saying "I don't think that person could possibly pull this act off if they were scum."
I have great faith that there are some excellent players on this site, who can come across as "obv!town" on D1 when they are scum.
(contrary to his super quick obv town reading of summer and later d1 obv town reading of me)
Open 623 ISO
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7644073
Another post in reads expressing WAY more doubt than he ever showed here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7625067
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7625979
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7626220
Just overall, more confrontational, more doubting, more looking like someone who genuinely does NOT know the answer to the mystery already.
Newbie 1684 (Won as Scum)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7687301
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7688145 - post shows strong town reads pretty early on

Overall, there's more certainty, less curiosity, just overall more similar to his scum game than his town game.


5) Night kills
Thor seems like he was killed to shut him up. WIFOM to some degree, but it points to both YA and KAAG as people who wanted him silenced; other scum teams would have likely thought he could be ML'd on day 2. Shannon MAY have been killed for a tracker read, but it's also entirely possible that she was killed explicitly to suit KAAG's end-game. If scum!KAAG had (or thought he had) me and Summer pocketed, he wouldn't want us gone. And killing YA/Egg would be hunting in the PoE, which he REALLY wouldn't want. So that's incriminating as well; the question is whether scum team truly read shannon as PR, or if they just got lucky.

6) The "doc counter claim" issue
There is simply no legitimate reason for scum!KAAG to counter-claim doc. SIW had been the stronger town read all game, so CC'ing would be a major, and risky, stretch. We'd lynch inside the SIW/KAAG pair, and we'd probably lynch KAAG.
Plus, KAAG had been the wider town read compared to YA/Egg. So scum!KAAG would plausibly look at a VT claim as a coin flip to get the sweep (presuming that YA/Egg were about equally likely to get the D3 axe), and would be comfortable going into 2:1 LYLO against MHS + YA/Egg.
And any time I see a "oh I wouldn't do that as scum" bit, I get suspicious. When it's a dumb argument to boot, I get REALLY suspicious.

7) Re=considering reads
In post 1206, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Third, I am not reconsidering my town reads just due to LYLO. My case on YA hinges on you being town.
vs
In post 1067, KickAssAndGiggle wrote:Quoting this because I need to respond to it in depth tomorrow. But I'll say on thing in response to point 2 now: scum never deserves to win until they've won. If Ircher flips town, I'll be resetting everyone to Null. SIW has been in on the ground-floor of both lynches: if Ircher does flip scum then A-OK but if not, we'd be mad not to at least look.
Funny how that "resetting everyone to Null" bit never really got explored. It popped up briefly in ... and then quickly died back down by the time we saw .

PS Where I'm really struggling is to sort YA/Egg. This one is a lot less obvious than KAAG as scum IMO. I lean a KAAG/YA scum team, but I currently consider KAAG/Egg to be reasonably possible, and I need to do more work on this front before I come down with a verdict.

PPS I will certainly listen to counter arguments, but for me to NOT vote KAAG, I'd need convincing evidence of:
1) Behavior by KAAG that is NOT reasonable from a scum!KAAG perspective
2) Egg/YA team play (when currently that is incredibly difficult to find)

Barring that, KAAG gets my vote. I sincerely apologize to all the dead townies who town read KAAG if I'm wrong (feel free to yell and scream at me in post game), but I just really don't think I'm wrong.
as it turns out the scum team was KAAG/YA, and then I fucked up the 3p LYLO hammer (though that was a very hard LYLO to get right after a town player subbed in during 5p LYLO and basically scummed up the board), but that case itself was still a pretty decent one I think, and "well the only team taht doesn't have KAAG in it makes no damn sense at all" was a useful part of that analysis imo.
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