Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

[Nauci]

@mod:

The setup description says:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=2d3

The Mafia team have day-and-night access to a private thread for chat (i.e. daytalk). This is a departure from previous Newbie setups, because an earlier trial run of Mafia day talk strongly suggests that having day-talk leads to fewer Newbie scum replace-outs and greater conversion of Newbie players to long-term mafiascum.net players and members. It was not implemented originally because the setup was not designed for it and scum winrates went through the roof, but as this setup is designed for it, this should not be an issue (in theory).

But your rules say:

Mafia may only chat during pregame and during night phases; during day phases, when the main game thread is unlocked, mafia may not talk to each other.

Do scum have day chat, or no?

[Nauci]

Also hi again TGP and Thor

VOTE: Thor665

[Nauci]

Ah, scum do have day chat apparently.

I don't think I've played against scum with day chat before, so I'm not sure how that changes the meta/strategy. Any thoughts, IC?

[Nauci]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

After like 7 fucking hours of troubleshooting I've fixed the OS on my laptop and found my schpiel thing

Hello all!

Friendly neighborhood Town Macho Even Night Commuter here, providing some info!

People use a lot of abbreviations and terminology on this site that I used to get super confused about so I'll do my best to explain the ones I remember having to look up:

AI/NAI

- Alignment Indicative/Not Alignment Indicative - denotes whether or not someone thinks <event> has something to do with what alignment they are

PR

- Power Role (e.g. town cop, or mafia roleblocker)

pr

- post restriction. Sometimes in flavor games people get silly post restrictions, sometimes people self impose them. Examples can be silly stuff like only posting haikus, or using rainbow text, or having to make puns

FOS

- Finger of Suspicion - To FOS someone is to suspect them

OMGUS

- "oh my god you suck" - usually used as a response to a perceived bad post or vote, like if I think someone's vote on me is for stupid reasoning I might respond OMGUS. If I vote the person it might get called an OMGUS vote

WIFOM

- "wine in front of me" - refers to the infamous wine scene in The Princess Bride, and denotes the bottomless spiral of "hmm scum wouldn't do that but maybe they did it because they think we would never think they did that but then we would think they thought that" type of reasoning

IGMEOU

- "I got my eye on you" - watching someone closely but not necessarily suspecting them of being scum

V/LA

- vacation/low activity - someone can preemptively message the mod to explain why they might have low activity

ISO

- refers to a player's body of posts in isolation from the whole game - click ISO button on their posts to see this

Bus

- throwing someone under the bus - usually means one mafia member pushing to lynch another mafia member

Wagon

- when someone gets multiple votes, this refers to the group of people voting them

Counter wagon

- the idea that a wagon for someone was created to prevent another person from being lynched (e.g. scum trying to save a teammate by throwing suspicion elsewhere)

VC/VCA

- Vote Count (Analysis) - the vote counter, and any resulting analysis from who voted who

PL

- Policy Lynch - to vote lynch someone not because you think they're scum, but because of some arbitrary policy (e.g., this guy is such a dick, or someone has been lurking too much, or is doing explicitly anti town things like refusing to read the thread)

Null

- neither town or scum read

RVS

- Random Vote Stage - the first few posts where there's no useful information yet so everyone cracks jokes and votes for people at random until something potentially alignment indicative happens

Crumb/crumbing/breadcrumbing

- a post that might be a hint at something, like if a doctor during RVS makes a joke about amberlamps

Loafing/breadloafing

- throwing out such an enormous hint or hints that it's really more like a trail of bread instead of crumbs (e.g. a jailkeeper hinting/saying they can roleblock scum)

LAMIST

- Look At Me I'm So Town - a sarcastic way of saying a post is a bad and obvious grab for town credibility

IIOA

- Information Instead of Analysis - Content that leans towards facts and recounting events, without opinion or analysis information.

Oh and since I got confused on this before, in this newbie setup, Mafia do NOT have day chat.

Also, useful forum tags (spaces added for appearance)

[ Vote ] name[/ Unvote ]
[ B ]name[/ b ]
[ Unvote ][/ unvote ]

For voting/unvoting

[ Post ]post#[/ post ] to direct link the post by number

To quote multiple posts at a time press the + next to the quote button and once you have all the posts you want to quote, click reply.

[Nauci]

I'm not sure how many people here are totally new or have at least seen a newbie game or two.

The old newbie BP6 setup (and subsequent backup6) was "breakable" sort of, with a BP/UB claim. It was really popular but I really disliked it because it didn't really teach how to play mafia except in this very specific set of circumstances. I wanted to learn how to read people and other strategies that aren't just reliant on setup logic.

I heard that the new setup was designed to alleviate this problem, but I'm not sure how effective it is. I saw that at least 1 game tried tracker claims since 2/3 possible setups with trackers have a way to protect the tracker, but I haven't thought about all of the implications and reasoning around it (does it give too much info to scum? Is it easily faked? idk). I'm similarly against tracker claiming as I was against the previous "breaks." I'll let the IC explain this stuff though, because I don't think I can do it justice. And also because ICs are bound by the rules to tell the truth about theory.

[Nauci]

I think I get what you mean bout it not being a "break."

I also think that A: people tend to lose interest in games dependent on setup mechanics (at least, this has happened in every newbie game I've had where claim mechanics happened and half the players went AFK), and B: talking about setup mechanics lets scum avoid talking about actual substance and analysis while saying lots of words. Which is why I brought this up during page 1 RVS so we can all acknowledge it and move on immediately. This is going to be my last post on it unless directly questioned.

[Nauci]

The forum where I used to play mafia had daychat for scum (which I thought was the standard). In my first game here I had seen posts about scum trying to signal each other in thread and kept scoffing about why the hell they would do that instead of just posting in scumchat until I was eventually finally corrected, so It's something I had made a habit of mentioning at the beginning of every newbie game to clarify since then.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p9697350

[Nauci]

Slow game

Back in the hospital tonight; occasionally checking from mobile

[Nauci]

I'm sorry TGP I remember playing with you before but absolutely nothing about your posting style don't hate me

Also I thought about posting earlier but the morphine kicked in and I couldn't be bothered, but, it's been irking me like an itch in the back of my mind that James' first hunch was that the mod had forgotten to setup scumchat. I don't know how it pings me because it's such a nonsensical assumption but it just... does?

[Nauci]

There's not much else to go on in this game yet

But it's not a focus on scumchat, it's a read on the specific reaction/expectation. Maybe it's just because he's new but it's weird to think I'd publicly ask about it because mod had forgotten to do one of the most critical components of a mafia game as a first assumption

[Nauci]

I hope you stick around on the site James. Seems like you'll be fun to play with!

[Nauci]

Welcome!

[Nauci]

The formatting and broken quotes of these red bolded posts are getting increasingly confusing to parse

I don't even know what "suggest she does" means. Does what?

Why wouldn't town care about daychat? There's a lot of reads on associations that change if scum are able to coordinate via day chat vs not being able to. That changes how I read interactions significantly, at least. Like imagine if scum are IC+newbie (which I think was the case in one of the games I read recently). IC could give newbscum tons of advice in the PT so the newbie would be less likely to scumslip or whatever, or even have their posts pre-cleared in real time. I've always made a note of it openly because I think that people not being on the same page for our reads premises is anti-town.

I'm sorry but the formatting has me kinda lost as to why you scumread him. Can we cool it with either the red or the bold?

[Nauci]

Welcome Irrelephant and Flicker!

VOTE: teacher

Wtf

You can't just come in this late, long after non RVS discussion had begun, and lay a vote on a wagon while claiming randomness absolves you of responsibility or something. How can you doubt something random?

[Nauci]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!

That's actually how my there community keeps votecount and it's ridiculously useful.

Really slow game though. :/

I'm seeing Flicker's hesitation/self conciousness about sheeping or confident votes in the first 2 pages as towny, but damn there's really not much to go on in here.

[Nauci]

I'm sorry TGP I remember playing with you before but absolutely nothing about your posting style don't hate me

pagetop

this? I did that for the memes
It was a dark and stormy night where you LYNCHED MY F*CKING SCUMPARTNER D1 AND THEN JODAXQ GOT A GUILTY ON ME D2. I'm
pirates vs. ninjas was a very interesting game

Oh yeah

Some veeeeeery satisfying dunking

I am extremely pro 1v1 and look forward to the James v Flicker fisticuffs

1v1s are so good for sorting people

Personally, I think confidence in opinions in the first 5 pages of a thread are only good for stirring up conversation, but I also play pretty conservatively unless there's an "um actually" moment on the table

[Nauci]

V/LA for at least 24 hours

Going back to the ER rn sigh

[Nauci]

Her*

[Nauci]

Back from ER

This bevvy of meds is going to have me mostly not awake for the next 7 days

[Nauci]

I still don't understand what you guys are saying about be within your arguments against each other

Something about reacting to something or other?

Like maybe it's the Norco but I've reread and I don't understand what's happening

[Nauci]

It seems fairly straightforward to me, I'll admit.
I even restated his issue in a one sentence breakdown in my last reply.
At what point is it losing you?

Oops my "me" got autocorrected to "be."

I'm lost on how I am originally involved in the conversation. I reached to X with Y and that meant Z?

I'm super lost within the red text and broken quotations on what either of you guys' opinions are of whatever it was that I did/didn't do? Like I don't know if this is something I need to clear up about my actions o_o

[Nauci]

I'm activity+content biased, so I try to refrain from real reads until people have had a chance to post more, but a super preliminary read list that's as confident as page 3 can get:

Towniiiish - Flicker (very good posts; good questions, original and genuine analysis, and the kind of early d1 awkwardness I do all the time), Thor (though... I usually set IC to null indefinitely because scum IC is scary), Irrelephant (too few posts but good questions, and good catch/reminder on tgp)

Null because I don't have any read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Meji (low content that I don't have a gauge on. Do you want me to ask my parents how much their tea cost?), DDS (lots of content but a lot of it was either already said or theory based?)

Null because conflicted reads - James (tryhardness is Towny, but also kinda gung ho and confusing?)

No bueno - Teacher (feels pretty classic for newb scum to have so many excuses for their votes and back off at the slightest pressure, tbh. It's something I did in my first 2 scum games on another site.), TGP - have to say this is straight lack of content bias here. He did that in the game where we got a perfect town victory in him and his partner though, so bias there too

[Nauci]

Thanks.

I'm in lvl 8-9/10 pain non stop so I'm catching up and paying between bouts of opioid induced sleep.

Clarifications: I encourage 1v1s because they usually result in a lot of valuable, emotion laden content that makes both parties easier to sort. Usually the content or topic or which one I TR more doesn't matter. My only confusion wrt James v Thor is what they meant about me.

Passing back out now; hope something exciting happens while I'm gone

[Nauci]

I have a habit of being so addicted I can't stay away

But I'm fuzzy brain af so I am kinda glossing stuff

Thing that is jumping out at me rn is teacher's flip flipping

-RVS vote on wagon jk was applying pressure jk I'm done voting there for pressure jk I shouldn't have unvoted I was drunk jk even if I wasn't drunk I'd have done it anyway

I mean it's impressive how many times someone can cave in 4 pages

But those giant posts with ridiculous minutiae also feel like nervous scum hoping they can tryhard their way out of suspicion

I'll reread the game and figure it out

I don't like how Thor kept answering my questions with "I already answered your question just reread what I said"

I just wanted to know what "that Nauci didn't react suggests she does." Was referring to/about - what did I not react to? Thank you for the explanation on what you mean by context (I know what you're generally meaning but not specifically). I'm asking about what I didn't react to in this game and not for any more details about stuff outside of this, to be clear

It would make it easier on everybody if you could just tell me because I really was lost af

Sorry I can't stay awake any more I'll try to reread some time in the next 24 hours and give more but y'all are a hell of a bunch of text masons mang there's enough in 4 pages to build a border wall

[Nauci]

James I didn't realize you responded with more than just the last bit after the quotes until the 4th time I scrolled past it on mobile

I'm not down with policy lunching for this kind of thing but there has got to be a better way dude

[Nauci]

Y'all mothas way too tryhard even for me

Page 4 was like reading a thesis project

Housecleaning notes:

-84 teacher what do you mean about 5 players questioning you? What are you speculating/implying?

-85 Holy wallpost batman James. For the love of god please don't nest more than 1 layer of quotes. It has somehow managed to combine red and bold, red, broken quotes, underlining, multiple votes, post links, and like >3000 words. This is fucking untenable man I literally can't read this shit on mobile. I think at some point you responded to Thor's post at me like it was directed at you? Or maybe you were saying my comment on scum daychat is odd and not town aligned, but that you need to reread even though he told me to? idontknowwhatshappeningandatthispointimafraidtoask.bmp

I disagree about voting just to get others to follow you. Getting pressure going is a major tool of scum hunting and getting others to vote scum with you is like kind of the point of the game? Like if a single vote isn't getting any pressure going it's more useful to move it where it would be. I say that as someone who has to have my stubborn voting beaten out of me sometimes.

I think we need to get off of the topic of what ICs are allowed or not allowed to do and whether or not your accusation is in the spirit of the rules or whatever because this isn't a conversation that helps us sort anybody, IMO. Like the more you attack that angle the more he can use "I have to follow the rules I can't lie" line that makes him sound town without actually saying any analysis about this game.

-89 It's not like mind changing flip flopping though. It's that every time he says something and someone pressures him for it he changes his mind as a result of the pressure. My first games as scum I caved the same way because I was terrified of any pressure, and I've seen lots of other newbscum do it too. I don't see good reasoning to change his mind, just this awkward "oh I was worried" or "oh I was drunk" stuff.

I feel like it's pretty clear I've read your posts multiple times but I was still confused so I asked questions. It would have saved us all a lot of effort if you didn't answer "reread lol" so many times.

Also it continues to be my meta that I just don't respond to FOS unless there's a specific thing I need to comment on, clarify, correct, or whatever. I always hate when people get defensive and don't think it accomplishes anything, so I take them all as just prods that I am not townposting hard enough and need to get my shit together. I often look suspicious day 1 to people for random RVS shit and I don't know why but I also don't care because when there's reasons to make good posts I will start making good posts.

-90 Why do you keep talking about multiball and what does aesthetic mean in this context?

-91 I don't see how being in one post disqualifies the waffling count

I count "i did it because drunk" as in the same boat of "shit bad idea' followed by "actually no would've done it anyway." Semantics arguments

Your 66 is like the fucking epitome of IIOA dude. We're here to get your reads, not a detailed summary of just 4 pages of game play with a whole bunch of "not a lot here" shit.

I poke at/park my vote on lurkers when there's nothing better to do, but there's currently better to do. I would also be voting TGP if I could =P Pretty sure he was even on my scumlist

And no I'm not telling you my damn schedule (to be fair, it's whenever I come off a dose and am waiting for the new shit to kick in). Kinda creepy question though dude

-95 Meji - the fuck? I clarified my shit, commented on important shit to note, and gave a reads list that's pretty fucking detailed for page 3

[Nauci]

Updated reads

-Can't really read Irrelephant tbh. Too polite. I don't do well with that kinda nice. Freaks me out.

-Shit lookin' worse for Meji but that's from just 1 post so who the fuck knows

-Thor looks townier to me but I am clouded by the constant I'M AN IC AND I DON'T LIE stuff

shit fuck fuck been bleeding this whole fucking time analysis post tomorrow

[Nauci]

I have an autoimmune disorder that isn't life threatening at all but a giant fucking pain in the ass

basically I have like 40 canker sores simultaneously right now so I'm in a shitfuck ton of pain and sometimes they bleed a bunch because fuck me that's why

I'm a sickly child so I'm always going through some shit or other and mafia helps me escape, it's just hard for me to play because the painkillers make me super loopy/drowsy and I'm trying to parse JB posts on mobile

hot takes n shit time!

-Meji what was after you started noticing me

-Thor I didn't say you're trying to avoid anything, just that the attack he's using on you gives you room to just keep holding up the ICS DONT LIE flag

IMO town don't have much reason to waffle a lot because they're in the dark on everything anyway and aren't going to be terrified of being lynched. Newbs drawing scum is what makes the nerves kick in high gear, or at least it was in my scum games, and also the games where I nailed a few nervous newbscum asses to the wall. Town have "whatever I'm town so FOS if you wnat to" to fall back on

I consider some part of 61 71 77 and 89 varying degrees of non-answer to answered-but-also-said-i-already-said-it

-hella sussing TGP for 98. feels like pocketing me plus misusing my point about ic stuff to FOS Thor with made up grounds

-teacher I have seen too many games devolve into a billion pages of setup discussion and relying on mechanics via break discussion and i hate it so i pre-empt it by acknowledging that they are a thing during RVS but getting people on board to agree to not do the thing. my question was whether it was the kind of game breaking shit that the old mechanic was in the new one, which makes it more or less annoying to deal with in terms of how heavily its relied on as a crutch

if you have issues w/ JB's logic, why do you tr him? I don't feel like you ever said

-I don't follow irrelephant's theory deets but im down with the fake-argument paranoia, but not as strongly

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

[Nauci]

didn't say it looks scummy

more that my basis for townreading you might not be as strong as I prefer because I might be over town valuing your responses to JB when they're not necessarily AI

there's no active intent necessary for my caveat

[Nauci]

teacher's also on TGP and I don't want to be on a wagon with my current strongest scum read.

Oh shit thank you I actually forgot he voted there

I mean there are very good reasons to FOS both of them but when TGP's only post was about getting his ass handed to him as scum in the game with me, maybe he set himself up to look like a patsy

I'm conflicted because I want to wagon TGP (or Meji) to discourage lurking, but I don't want to potentially fall for a low hanging fruit distraction from my biggest SR

also wtf people how am i the most active poster while fucking dying

thor you've asked questions but I don't think you expressed an opinion on teacher (in fact I feel like most of your posts are self defense) - what are your thoughts here

[Nauci]

I find it hilarious that you SR me hard for not having post much substance in the first 1.5 pages of the game

and even moreso that you're attributing my contributions to this game as purely the result of your heroic arrival and FOS halfway through page 2

and weirdly creepy that 90% of your content has been about me

is this a not scum by reason of insanity play

[Nauci]

2 things that look related but aren't really

1 - DDS coming out of lurk to post NAI "these people are annoying" AtE looks pretty bad. Had same reaction as JB

2 - fuck you DDS don't police my language or tell me what to do with my time because of my health. Call it annoying if you want but fuck off with the "you should focus on your health" or "emotional crutch" patronizing language

My posts have been off the cuff and not up to my usual writing standards but my points have NOT been incoherent. if you can't comprehend a post's meaning because I said fuck, that's your problem

More to come when I can get to a PC again

[Nauci]

Hey guys.

I'm really sorry for blowing up like that. I had a very, very short fuse for the past two weeks so an irritating post became a total blow up, and that was totally inappropriate of me.

I took some time to cool off (well, that, and Benadryl sleep 23 hours a day), and have finally begun to recover and not be in lvl 9 pain 24/7, so I'll be able to play without being stoned all the time.

Catching up on the thread now but not sure if I have time to respond tonight.

[Nauci]

I think I'm going to take the next day or so to do a complete re-read and evaluation of the game with knowledge of the replacements' posts in mind.

My gut still says teacher though so I'll park here for now.

VOTE: teacher

[Nauci]

Quick notes while I work on my effort post:

-That wasn't a -1 from NK15

-I was null reading JB for a while, then TR because we had similar reactions to DDS non-content post. But I worry that we had that reaction because we were the ones being belittled, and it wasn't actually AI. Despite this previously strong bias for him due to that, page 9 posts gave me very very bad vibes.

I want to wait on a vc to vote because I'm not 100% confident I counted that -2 correctly but consider this intent to -1.

-The first time I was scum was in my 2nd game on my private WoW forum. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing and had all of the wrong ideas for how to appear innocent. But we won because my partner was super experienced and coached over half of my posts via scum daychat. I lost my following game as town to a scum mentorship duo as well.

So while it is difficult to discern here how daychat affects scum behavior, I think it's important to A: note that it probably is improving scum play, and B: take away the potential for a faked "oh scum have day chat?" townslip. I think trying to read associations like teacher is supposedly trying to do is a much worse tactic due to daychat. I think it makes me more paranoid about fake argument theories like irrelephant's. I think scum able to talk about their stuff in day chat means less active discussion in here. But those are hunches and I think daychat value is not agreed upon on MS (I'll defer to Thor here).

Oh and pocketing = ass kissing to try and win someone over, whether by lots of agreement, praise, or TRing someone.

-Oh and I super agree with NK15 about earlier -1s.

[Nauci]

I mean are we going to debate order of operations or the specifics of the case?

I declare gut reads before I have time to put words to reasons or type it all out all the time. Most people do.

[Nauci]

WTH I wrote a quick reads list post after my other ones earlier but it's not here

[Nauci]

Upon rereading the game though, I'm still pretty much having the precise same reactions to that DDS post as JB on more than a personal level. It was a re-entry to the game not with analysis of play and content, but a highly condescending post on posting styles. It was provocative and distracting *and* lacked real analysis, and I was shocked no one else caught the same thing. Sure, I overreacted to it on a personal level, but I stand by my view that it was not by any means a towny post.

I'm fencesitting on JB and am going to reread carefully.

Side note, appreciate the format change JB.

Thor, you've gotten a bit quiet too. What are your thoughts on Meji not responding,

or NK v JB

?

Current reads:

Towny: Thor, Irrelephant

Scummy: Meji, Teacher

Null: Flicker (town lean but points docked for low ish activity)

Null, must re-valuate heavily: JB, Oxy, NK15

^this got chewed up by bad Wi-Fi earlier apparently.

[Nauci]

Hey guys,

Sorry I should have declared V/LA. I didn't expect that opioid withdrawal (I got better enough to stop taking painkillers) would be so completely debilitating. I was puking and sleeping and puking and sleeping and I kept being optimistic that I'd be able to come back and post but I wasn't even close to functional until last night. Today's my first day back at work though and I have 2 weeks of work to catch up on, so I won't be able to really post until my lunch break.

Quick takes: woah I actually didn't expect JB to get lynched. Also, no night kill!? That seems really good.

[Nauci]

Idk about mass claiming.

Maybe tracker/not tracker claims, and/or hypothetical claims after? I have to think on this.

[Nauci]

I think we should all claim Doctor or Not a Doctor first.

Am I crazy or is this the one thing we DON'T want to do?

We want a conftown that can be protected tonight and make it into day 3. Doctor claiming would just mean the doctor dies tonight, unless it's doctor/jk?

[Nauci]

Idk about mass claiming.

Maybe tracker/not tracker claims, and/or hypothetical claims after? I have to think on this.

To be clear, I am NOT seeking mass-claiming, but staggered claiming to time counterclaims.

First (Thur-Friday) Doctor(s) claim. If cc - both identify saves, lynch among. If no cc, move on. If no doc claim at all, gain info that general suspect list likely off.

Second (Sat-Sun), if doctor identified, other pr claim. If cc - Doctor then ID save (lock-town), and lynch among ccs (unless one is saved by dr. Then lynch other). If no cc by end of sunday - 2 towns confirmed. 3 if doctor didnt save other pr. Known!town block grinds down mafia.

Again, only a theory. But I think it works.

Only skimmed your post and was reacting to NK15's.

[Nauci]

The Tracker claim strat worked because in 2/3 tracker setups, there's a protector (doctor/jk) so that it would be a conftown that definitely lived another day.

Now that we know there's almost definitely a protection role, I see no reason not to do THAT.

Like the possible combinations are

Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor, Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker, Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Town Cop and Town Doctor, Town Neopolitan and Town Doctor, Town Tracker and Town Doctor

and the not-doctor-not-jk roles can safely claim, while the protection roles are the ones that should NOT.

[Nauci]

I think claim strats are super complicated and would like to see Thor weigh in before we continue

[Nauci]

I got pulled into marathon marketing meetings through 5 pm PST

Bbl

I don't cc jk

[Nauci]

Gut says teacher is town af for day 2 posts though, even if day 1 posts still give me bad vibes

[Nauci]

Pls no hammer I just camped a conference room for the next 2 hours for a thread reread/catch up

Teacher I find your confidence about there being a doctor and sheep on irrelephant odd, especially in contrast to all of the second guessing yesterday

But I've only skimmed day 2 so my views might change significantly in the next 2 hours

[Nauci]

1/3 way through reread note taking.

Quick comment is that I find it super weird how there has been very little talk about me. Every moment I was too ill to properly post I was sure that I'd come back to a thread full of people FOSing me because I usually FOS lurkers super hard. Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty shocked to find that (outside of meji's inexplicable super tunneling) only teacher has cased me and irrelephant questioned me. I'm not sure what this means alignment wise yet, though.

[Nauci]

Quick comment is that I find it super weird how there has been very little talk about me. Every moment I was too ill to properly post I was sure that I'd come back to a thread full of people FOSing me because I usually FOS lurkers super hard. Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty shocked to find that (outside of meji's inexplicable super tunneling) only teacher has cased me and irrelephant questioned me. I'm not sure what this means alignment wise yet, though.

I fail to follow - your argument is that you're town who is easy to mislynch so it's strange that scum aren't trying to mislynch you.
That's functionally an argument that you're scum - explain?

No I said exactly what I meant.

It's weird for people to not have pressed me for lurking from a scumhunting perspective. Obviously no one knows for sure if I'm town, so it's weird that more people didn't pressure me about being away. Analyizing whether or not people are FOSing me is important data that can be done w/o saying I'm casing myself, because my alignment and the perception of my alignment are separate.

[Nauci]

They've been filming at my desk all day for a feature and I can't even look at this thread, nevermind post, gaaaaaahhhhh

VOTE: Thor

Sorry I had been not voting; I thought I opened the day on teacher for some reason.

[Nauci]

I'm pretty sure that if you two are what you say you are, then YOU have to try and target scum, because I don't see how NK lives through the night unless today's lynch is scum AND NK guesses correctly on the 2nd one?

[Nauci]

Like there's a reason I thought that only roles that aren't protective should claim today. IMO, having 2 conf town on Day 3 is a much bigger deal than on day 2? Like, the non protective role being alive on day 3 would then confirm the existence of the protective role.

Sorry I let this game get away from me this week. I promise to get back all up in this shit this weekend.

[Nauci]

Prod dodge while I mull over replacing out because work is killing me

Will decide tonight

[Nauci]

Okay I don't have time to catch up on new posts yet but I'd just like to say the following:

-Supee sorry for lurking out. I legit was obsessed with fulling catching up before posting and was up to a 1400 word notes doc before I realized I ran out of time. Probably for the best though because I've been SO BUSY. Turns out it's easier to mafia while sick.

-I'M SORRY FOR BEING A BASTARD pls don't read the scum PT (but I apologize now for what lies ahead)

-Teacher you had some pretty wild theories and at some point it felt like you were rolling a d6 to determine your FOS of the day, but you actually played really well and I was quite worried about you for a long time

-everyone else did really well too. I thought Flicker was suuuuuuper towny 95% of the time and can't believe the lunch happened

[Nauci]

Accidentally hit submit on mobile while trying to correct the lunch typo -_- One last thing!

-ALL HAIL IRRELEPHANT

Bud I'm suuuuuuper sorry for bailing on you. YOU ARE TERRIFYINGLY GOOD AND TRYHARD and I will be pushing to policy lynch you from now on out of mortal fear. Seriously. Amazing play. You made better calls than any of the rest of us, and thanks for playing along with our ridiculous no-kill gamble.

[Nauci]

Hahaha

Just about everyone this game is formidable

Though, this many tryhards in one game really makes catching up take eons

Side note: my lurking really was totally real, but it worked out super well for my slot. I would likely have been scumread more for the posts I may have made than the lurking. Y'all should push lurkers more, IMO. The one time I actively lurked was when I debated unvoting Thor and dumping my catch-up-through-post-#X schpiel, but decided that I would probably not be pressured all that much for lurk lynching that slot w/o providing one spec of analysis, and could drop my catch up on day 3.

Also, even if Irrelephant and I were both town, I'd still be paranoid. Well spoken, nice, tryhard, great active strategic contributions, extreme towniness, and the politeness just added to that.

[Nauci]

FWIW:

I think I'm going to take the next day or so to do a complete re-read and evaluation of the game with knowledge of the replacements' posts in mind.

My gut still says teacher though so I'll park here for now.

VOTE: teacher

I considered this a pretty clear "oh look I don't actually care who's getting lynched and am perfectly happy dumping my vote somewhere it doesn't matter and making no waves at all on the runaway james mislynch" sort of thing
I might look through the various votes if I have more time, but I considered this a really sketchy looking vote at the time and was very surprised that Nauci wasn't a major wagon d2 *shrugs*
I'll say that, in fairness, it's harder to evaluate someone who has legitimate RL reasons to be less active... but what she was doing with the time she had imo deserved far more scrutiny.

Funny enough, with what time I had available on d1, I actually played my normal town game and pretended I was town. Teacher was legitimately my biggest SR (50/50 scum/PR though) if I were a VT, up until I became positive he was a PR.

[Nauci]

I was in a game that was, in practice, won in the first post. I was Night Killed before making a post, too.

In one game I subbed in at night as bodyguard (oddly enough, I subbed in for thor), saved the outed vig, and then watched as town imploded in pretty awful fashion. It was a terrible setup but still, that was way more of a "how things go for smith" type of thing than the game I won without ever needing to even post

We lynched BodyGuard Thor d1 in our game just before this, even though he had spent the entire day basically flashing I'M THE BODYGUARD neon lights. At least I vigged a scum n1.

If I were town I would have been extremely paranoid about Irrelephant for being so extremely town read so quickly, while not knowing if he was scum or not. There was no hard reason to take him as far off of the lynch candidate list as he was, and if I were town I would have shouted that down.

[Nauci]

Yeah the no kill n1 only worked because Irrelephant was mysteriously suuuuuuper town read

Though I think we could have won by killing teacher as well, since he gave away his PR almost immediately

[Nauci]

why did you jail teacher?

teacher was right about what they said. About my motivation and so on.
Lesson learned at least wait a bit more before claiming JK even if you are under fire.


I'd like to see the thoughts of the IC about this result here.

I'm of the opinion that protective role PRs shouldn't claim unless absolutely necessary, and if possible, do a round of hypothetical claims instead. Everyone takes a turn saying "If I'm the PR I'm role X and I did Y on n1 and the result was Z" so when flips happen we get a lot of info w/o giving away the protective role outright.

[Nauci]

teacher was right that you thought it would clear them? It in no way cleared them...

Why would you think it would?

I'd say that in a newbie game, claiming "no result" was pretty decriminating.

[Nauci]

I can't believe I didn't get lynched D2 honestly

Scum tend to actively try to keep lurkers or potentially mislynch bait players around versus players who may be more threatening, but sometimes this results in said players looking unreasonably towny by day 3/4.

Also I couldn't really push OR nk you because you were so tunneled on me lol. The most effective thing to do when that happens from my perspective is increase my post quality and hope that other people don't take your tunneling seriously because people are generally heavily biased towards effort.