Newbie 1863 Dead Topic

[James Brafin]

Hey! I'd just like to say to all those who die after me: I told you so.

[James Brafin]

Fwiw I’d recommend trying to think through a few things:

1) why did you get lynched, in terms of what others failed to see in your iso
2) why did you get lynched, in terms of things you could have done better
3) related: how many scum were on you, and what about the game state supoorts that read (default norm is one btw. If it’s 0 there’s usually a reason for it, if there’s 2 there’s usually a reason for it)
4) who you think is scum/town and why you think that

Dead thread in a newbie game is a good opportunity for reflection and trying to think through what’s happening and why it’s happening. Usually I give out a modpeek if a player sometime day two if the dead players can agree on who they want peeked... maybe start thinking about whose alignment/role you’d find most interesting or productive to be revealed.

That's super helpful, thanks!
If you don't mind, I'm going to put that stuff here, so maybe as some people pop in we can generate some discussion.

1) Firstly, the ABN stuff no one seemed to quite grasp what I was getting at. Second, I think there was a skimming of wall posts and so people were missing important details, like the whole chainsaw argument thing.
2) A. The wall posts and my formatting. Which the former is understandable, but the latter is stupid. This is the first time I've EVER got complained at for formatting on site, and the fact that THAT is what got my wagon rolling is super frustrating. B. My push on Thor. On one hand, I can see in retrospect how it was stupid. On the other hand, How the HECK does something that blatantly scummy come from scum? C. My inability to disengage, at least in part, seems to have influenced my lynch. THat is something I've picked up from playing in a hydra with my brother and need to get out of the habit of.
3) I think that both scum were on me for sure. A) I was easy lynchbait. B) I provided no info to town on the flip C) Frankly, I think scum is within NK15, Teacher, Flicker, or Oxy. None of them have made me super comfortable with their posts.
4) Again, scum is within NK15, Teacher, Flicker, or Oxy for me.
NK: He used my bad play to develop a bull case and then deathtunneled. If he flips town I'm going to die of shock.
Teacher: He seems to have an issue with commiting to any real wagon until the last second. That stresses me out, and his reads have been super-wishy-washy too, without a good reason.
Flicker: Her read is more of a scum

lean

, seeing as she had a pretty good defense. I'm not happy at all about her apparent buddying still, but I'm willing to let it slide for now.
Oxy: Half the time he pings me, half the time he doesn't. It's super weird. And that hammer though, without reasoning -- that pings me a bit as well. Also mare of a lean, but I'm going to keep my eye on him.

Town: Thor because scum doesn't defend against town like that. Nauci becasue she's tried really hard to scumhunt it feels like.

I'd like to see a peek on either Meji or Irrelephant, honestly. While I'd love to get that confirmation that NK is scum, I've seen it said that it's better to use an investigative on your null reads, and those are def. my null reads.

[James Brafin]

Man, I've learned more in that one post than from thirteen pages of playing! :p
That makes sense though, why lynch as scum when you can get town to do it?

While I'm still confident in NK scum, that just threw all of my other reads for a loop.

[James Brafin]

No kill? How odd.

@MOD: What is the tactical advantage to a no kill in this situation? I assume it has something to do with the numbers, but I'm not sure.

[James Brafin]

Still would, but not sure on who yet... Thinking Meji Fan, Nauci, teacher, or Thor.

[James Brafin]

I know my peek. Can I see Oxy's PM?

[James Brafin]

He's coming across null/town, but it feels like he's coming across with a confidence that seems really odd, and his arguments seem poor. I'm pretty sure we've got scum between him and Thor, and we've got scum between Meji, KN, and Teach. If I can find out which of Thor/Oxy is the scum here, I can start hunting for associative, and if my hunch is correct, I ought to have this game solved before the players actually still alive (hopefully ;p)

[James Brafin]

Fine, point me at what post your awesome reasoning on why Thor is scum is in without resorting to mathemagic is in and I'll reread it

No that is not what I will be doing. What

you

will do

right now

is to

read every single post of the game in detail

. Which you should have already done.

Also, this is so anti-town this is not even funny. Forget Meji, scum is between teach and NK.

[James Brafin]

Spoiler:

Interesting... That means Thor is probscum, which means teach is prob town (I don't see scum tunneling their buddy so hard) Which means NK is probscum, or I suppose I could be wrong and Meji could be scum. :p That helped a lot a nd very little.
Flicker is most likely town though still in my book. Teacher's play has been less than impressive, so I don't blame her for her scumread.

[James Brafin]

oh, kk. I missed that actually. I have been skimming a ton lately. :p Then scum is between Meji and teacher? But Teach is still likely town, so that means Meji and Thor?
If I jumped all over scum for the wrong reasons, I'm going to be pissed.

[James Brafin]

Wait, are you town or scum Nauci? Why does it matter if he "towns it up?"
That alone just threw me for a loop.
Who is scum here?

[James Brafin]

Say WHAT?
Why exactly, were you in Egypt? Or am I misinterpreting that?

[James Brafin]

Oh ok. Good for you though! I've always been amazed by those people who do/help with those types of things.