Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[pirate mollie]

hi guys!

whats going on

[pirate mollie]

has any1 missed me

[pirate mollie]

lol mollie
why do you have to replace in this slot

lol mollie
why do you have to replace in this slot

[pirate mollie]

Hi Mollie. I'm not scum this time. I swearzies

the last game, yes, well, uh...

Spoiler:

I am still VERY salty about it

[pirate mollie]

I'd be up for lynching Tywin at any point except for the fact that I want to talk to Mollie first.

And whoever our new ActionDan is.

I am all ears:

[pirate mollie]

Tywin, you understand that there was success in making people wary of the brass wagon via the zombie vote, right?

You left his wagon to jump back on me after his vote. You're obv scum imo, and even though I can't convince anyone of that, you'll hopefully have to deal with some shit after I'm gone. If not, then I'll just consider it an unavoidable loss and ignore it. These games happen.

Also, I hope everyone stops listening to your constant bullshit discrediting gameplay and starts waking up. Seriously, you're like a scum 101 playbook. Discredit, deflect, ignore questions entirely or ask questions back as an answer, give vague 'feeling' reads on everyone to avoid having to actually answer for them with facts, etc, etc. The list goes on. I cant see how anyone doesn't notice it beyond me, but the one person who did is now voting me too.

I'll be interested to see if any townies actually wake up and smell the bullshit by Day 3. One can hope anyway. You can't fool me though Ank. Youre not town, and I'll say it all day until I'm lynched. Someone will be bound to see it eventually.

hey I am fresh faced and new, lets chat

what is your understanding of the gamestate now? can you give me a tl;dr of what has happened so far? tia

also a readslist wld be great

[pirate mollie]

Ank, Srceen, Eddie/Zito is my final list. I'm calling it for post game at least.

noted

[pirate mollie]

Town, just do me one single favor.

After I'm lynched, and thus two very bad misslynched occurred in a row, please look at who were on the wagons more closely. There's been zero analysis, and it's not good. Try it after please.

please feel welcome to analyse it
or your own wagon

Really? Can't you do that?

Analysis: Screen votes me without a reason. Eddie says he doesnt know what hes doing, but is sheeping Screen and votes me. Harmless Zombie votes me. Ankarius votes me. ND joined somewhere in there due to Ankarius hard pushing me.

What reason have I been voted? None. What reason has brass been votes? None. What reason has Evee been voted? None. What town players even care? None.

Not much to analyze when there's no case. The only thing Ank or Srceen have done is discredit all my posts with insults, and backhanded jabs, meant to compromise me emotionally and to make town see me as a worthless/insignificant person who is just flailing, rather than someone with serious reads on players he's been calling out since Day 1. Everything Ank has done is discredit and attack with insults and other contrived daggers, yet not a single shred of actual scumhunting has gone on. No actual facts. Nothing to actually call bullshit on beyond personal attackslike claiming I don't read.

The problem here is that it's a normal tactic for scum in every single game. It's not legitimate scum hunting. There are no facts in their case. There is nothing to it beyond attacks to belittle the town player until the rest stop taking them seriously. It happens in EVERY single game on MS, yet nobody seems to pick up on it. Smh

Anyway, I said my peace. I'm Vanilla Town, so lynch away.

this reads as townflail to me

[pirate mollie]

Harmless zombie is scum. It's a scum voter. Mod confirmed it. Harmless zombie is lynching me.

How can anyone be this blind? It's just beyond me. I seriously don't get itm. Even Ank is flailing in an attempt to twist what the mod said with multiple interpretations, but the only significant interpretation worth any credence is that it's an extra scum vote. The mod literally confirmed that in the thread. Ank voted me after Harmless Zombie did, and shes pushing hard to make it seem harmless zombie is somehoe not a scum vote.

Let that sink in. I forgive everyone for being derpy though. I miss things too, but I didn't miss this one. I'll still be lynched with probably 2 or 3 scum on my wagon PLUS a harmless zombie vote, but I want everyone to recognize what's going on after the fact.

how is the anonymous zombie voter modconfirmed as scum? cos that isn't what he said

[pirate mollie]

Harmless zombie is scum. It's a scum voter. Mod confirmed it. Harmless zombie is lynching me.

How can anyone be this blind? It's just beyond me. I seriously don't get itm. Even Ank is flailing in an attempt to twist what the mod said with multiple interpretations, but the only significant interpretation worth any credence is that it's an extra scum vote. The mod literally confirmed that in the thread. Ank voted me after Harmless Zombie did, and shes pushing hard to make it seem harmless zombie is somehoe not a scum vote.

Let that sink in. I forgive everyone for being derpy though. I miss things too, but I didn't miss this one. I'll still be lynched with probably 2 or 3 scum on my wagon PLUS a harmless zombie vote, but I want everyone to recognize what's going on after the fact.

this is your worst post so far dude

ayup

[pirate mollie]

Tywin:

I spelled out pretty damn clearly why I'm scumreading you to the level I am.

It's a fact that you've been saying you've been scumreading me to the same extent that I am now scumreading you for, except you have no actual case for it. The only thing that resembles a natural read on me is because... I defended Zito. You never answered my list of questions for you, so I'm going to assume that you don't have an answer for the case where I'm scum and Zito is town, so therefore your point only works if I'm also scum with Zito/havingfitz.

Other than that, I've asked you to substantiate what you're scumreading me for and all you've done is rephrase the same nonsense and just call me obvscum every single time.

You're not scumhunting. Your reads haven't changed since the beginning of the day. You claim to have read but you don't see the breadcrumbs showing that I've not only been scumreading brass for a very long time, but I've also been showing why. I've explained my reads and explained why they change. I've explained why my read on you went from town to scum immediately when it happened.

The fact is, I've been forming my reads organically and you have not. I don't understand why you've decided that trying to deathtunnel me was the play when you had every chance to adjust yourself to the gamestate and maintain the townreads that a lot of people still had on you, but you've effectively dug yourself into a hole as a result.

If somehow you're town this game, then your view on how the game works is very narrow. I gave you a chance to substantiate your suspicion and show where you were coming from immediately after your initial case, but you ignored it and started arguing with buzzwords instead of a substantiated case. You started responding to me asking you for your case by asking me what my case on brass is. Your go-to is "Ank is obvscum, lynch her" despite what you're confronted with. That's scum mentality.

And I'm going to state this again,

please

double check my name.

.

Hi ank! I think you are town <3

[pirate mollie]

Alright, I think my happy spiral is over.

Good night.

Mollie talk to me about your thoughts tomorrow

I haven't read anything prior to my replace in except for phase summaries. I don't have rn but I am working on it. I will be around to talk irt tho

[pirate mollie]

it's important

Why....

Scum can control the zombie by logging in to HZ directly or pming the mod to make their naked vote. How does the mod restating that and adding the delayed vote aspect of any value to town?

because timing is mega fucked wrt the zombie vote
wagon analysis is slightly skewed by the zombie vote

why are you asking this? o.0

What does town care about the timing of the HZ vote? Anytime the HZ lays down a vote is someone going to scurry to see who amongst the living has made a recent post? If so...who's going to check? And is that person town? And is being online AI?

And how is wagon analysis skewed? We know it's a vote by scum. If it's not a hammer it's wifom...if it's a hammer no HZ vote analysis required.

I asked because you were making a big deal out of nothing. o.0
And I wanted to see if I was missing something but I don't think I am.

we do need to analyse wagons around HZ tho, I actually think unless it hammervotes it exists to dissuade people from joining wagons
but like, WIFOM when applied to townie wagons too quick ig

on that basis we lynch brass with fire and leave tylan the fuck alone--thoughts?


and wasn't there some discussion of the HZ post meaning whoever used it was online? mostly I was just shooting down dumb spec like that

What are your reads rn

[pirate mollie]

has any1 missed me

Yes and id love if you didnt replace in a slot i want dead

Y u want meh deadz

[pirate mollie]

has any1 missed me

DUDE I MISSED YOU

<3

[pirate mollie]

how is the anonymous zombie voter modconfirmed as scum? cos that isn't what he said

Post 2

Is it rule #3? Its the only I see as ambiguous cos I don't see it clearly stated

[pirate mollie]

I dont really think thats ambiguous
Mafia can control it either by logging in or pming the mod

okay so what I read was post 1 but thought it was split up to 2 my bad.

so why is there a discussion about it

[pirate mollie]

Who did Mollie replace?

brass person or something

I am going to bed soon but will do some reading, if any1 wants to give me the tl;dr version of what their take is feel free

[pirate mollie]

sinks

is this your tl;dr

[pirate mollie]

are you town?

yes

[pirate mollie]

Who did Mollie replace?

brass, aka she's scum

*sigh*

remind me the last game where you read me as town when I am town

I don't remember what the tally is but I am pretty sure you tend to scumread me as default if memory serves

can you tell me what is going on

[pirate mollie]

On post 241, Eeveelution Army was hammered.

Official Vote Count 1-FINAL

EeveeLution Army

(7): Eddie Cane, Wisdom, the worst, Kokichi Oma, Nancy Drew 39, Sugar Cain, Srceenplay

(LYNCHED)

Papa Zito

(2): Tywin Lannister, brassherald

Nancy Drew 39

(1): ActionDan

Kokichi Oma

(1): Papa Zito

Not Voting

(2): MechaGoomba, EeveeLution Army

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Previous Vote Count

That was the fastest D1 I've ever seen.

hhm

[pirate mollie]

I have already uncovered some very useful information:
1) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... name=Nancy Drew 39 mu has a player info database. it doesn't have any games nor work, but it's a button.
2) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/me ... epsaysmeep a user banned on here for being under COPPA age (12) has an avatar of a hot girl far older than him.

how is any of this useful

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: eevee

why did you vote evee right here

[pirate mollie]

No, I really can’t tbh. Why would you want to hide your reasons?

Slamming me for grammer now, seriously?

*grammar


There's any number of reasons why I'd want to hide my reasons! I'm surprised as a graduate of MU you're not able to come up with any. I've been told so often how much better mafia play is over there. This isn't a newbie game tho so I'll leave that particular theory lesson for you to chew on.

Anyway it seems people have abandoned this wagon because they saw something shiny so I guess I'll go vote your partner now.


VOTE: Kokichi

this is so ew

[pirate mollie]

Zito why dont you join us on eevee

unfortunately he's eevee's partner D:

Why don’t you think like me any other time?
Prodge

huh

[pirate mollie]

mollir im not scumreading you based on your play so thats irrelevant

okay

gonna be back tomorrow for more reading rip me

wis will you plz walk me through your world purview as to how d1 ended in a quicklynch

thanks

[pirate mollie]

Here's my reads list at some point in the game a while ago, mollie. It's changed since then but it's still a decent indicator of where my head has been at this game.

Nancy Drew 39
Papa Zito

ActionDan

Tywin Lannister

Sugar Cain
the worst

Srceenplay
Wisdom

Eddie Cane
brassherald

Kokichi Oma

This is roughly where I'm at from town to scum right now;

Nancy is just blatantly town. Very off base, but there hasn't been a single shred of scum intent behind any of her pushes on me.

Zito is town by the way he's been going about this game, the gamestate, and the fact that the majority of his critics are south of the null line.
ActionDan had a couple pretty strongly town posts; I have somewhat distant memories of playing with him as both town and scum, and my gut is telling me this is closer to town-him. It's not enough to be blatant town and I could be misremembering, but I don't think it's very likely at this point.

Tywin hasn't really been around for the past 10 or so pages and the reason I was townreading him so heavily in the first place might not actually be as strong as I thought it was initially now that I have a better picture of the gamestate. I'm still reasonably confident he's town, but not quite enough to be super confident anymore. I'll wait until he has time to come on and post again before I judge it.

Sugar Cain looks a lot better than they used to; I don't think I'm especially good at reading Nero or Rangal effectively, but both their posts individually feel townish so far. It's entirely possible I'm being blindsided, but I'll have a better opinion on whether that's the case or not over time as more posts come out.
The worst honestly just looks like a town sheep. Nothing particularly town from this slot, but nothing all that scummy either. Something about the way they're handling the game doesn't feel like scum-driven, but it's very... hard to tell.

Srceenplay's push on me was scummy, but now I'm seeing a possibility that he's town that saw a potential slam dunk by how he has been playing it. He got a lot of support from his push on me and there's not a whole lot of pushback outside of Wisdom, who is also reading scummy to a lot of people. I think scum would've handled that differently so I'm a lot less confident that the push in itself was from scum. However, nothing has felt especially town from them and that only minimizes the scumread. Light-scum.
Wisdom is giving me the same feeling he did the time I caught him as scum in Unbalanced II; I just don't ever feel anything town from him. I know he has a good scumgame and I can see his actions being to manipulate things towards his own goals, but the main thing that's making me hesitate in calling him scum is that I don't think he would outright defend me like this. He knows very well how to shut me down (and that I can be a strong town when I'm not) and if anything, he's shied away from going that route. Light-scum here too, but it's a fragile read and has a lot of potential to go south real quick.

Eddie Cane... I can't get a read on his thought processes. The fact that his two scumreads are me and the worst suggests to me that he's trying to keep town from coming together, but even that's hard to tell because this slot is completely useless at saying anything readable.
Brassherald has given me the same feeling every time he's posted. Nothing about what he tries to engage feels like he's working towards anything; it feels like he's trying to look busy and coast.

Kokichi Oma is my pick for scum if I had to choose only one in this game. He's been sheeping really bad wagons (Zito and me, although his justification for jumping ship onto my wagon was horrible too), his posts around the Eevee wagon are scummy, he supported Srceen's bad push on me, etc. He's not trying to solve the game, he's coasting on the towncred that he somehow got on day one. He spent more than half the day so far taking potshots at whoever he can get away with sniping at.

kk ty ank <3

[pirate mollie]

Hmm maybe I just think mollie is cool. Remind me to reread tomrorow?

I give up

who are you an alt of

[pirate mollie]

Who did Mollie replace?

brass, aka she's scum

*sigh*

remind me the last game where you read me as town when I am town

I don't remember what the tally is but I am pretty sure you tend to scumread me as default if memory serves

can you tell me what is going on

you don't get to say that when he's scumreading your predecessor entirely lmao

I have already uncovered some very useful information:
1) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... name=Nancy Drew 39 mu has a player info database. it doesn't have any games nor work, but it's a button.
2) https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/me ... epsaysmeep a user banned on here for being under COPPA age (12) has an avatar of a hot girl far older than him.

how is any of this useful

example #50 of the "good" old players being robots, got it



and that's all i have to say


VOTE: Tywin

but Mollie is still probably scum

I don't understand a single point you are trying to make with this post

[pirate mollie]

then vote mollie

no

[pirate mollie]

anyone down to wagon Eddie?

but stop. the day is not over at all.

find scum. do you want to wagon eddie with me?

I think I might vibe Wizzy and Mollie hardest rn fwiw
Part of me wants Eddie dead but I havent identified which part yet (left wrist is #1 suspect)

HOLD ON WIS AND MOL CAN WE.START AN EDDIE WAGON NOW

Anka start an Eddie wagon w me?

I think he wants to wagon Eddie.

I wanna wagon Eddie

Wagon Eddie wme?

sure

VOTE: eddie crane

[pirate mollie]

{Eddie, Ank}
{ND}
lol thats all my townreads
uh
{ad}
{screen, fitz}
{wisdom, kok}
{sugar cain, tywin, tw}
{mollie}

when did my slot become a for sure scumslot for you? cos you weren't voting me when I replaced in so this is kinda of coming from nowhere that I can see from what I have read so far. skeered?

[pirate mollie]

no we're lynching mollie

still no

why

cos I am still town

[pirate mollie]

mara did you claim something cos wis is acting like you did

[pirate mollie]

{Eddie, Ank}
{ND}
lol thats all my townreads
uh
{ad}
{screen, fitz}
{wisdom, kok}
{sugar cain, tywin, tw}
{mollie}

when did my slot become a for sure scumslot for you? cos you weren't voting me when I replaced in so this is kinda of coming from nowhere that I can see from what I have read so far. skeered?

yes i was

no you weren't

Official Vote Count 2-13

Tywin Lannister

(3): Srceenplay, Eddie Cane, Harmless Zombie

pirate mollie

(3): Wisdom, Nancy Drew 39, Kokichi Oma

Ankamius

(2): Tywin Lannister, the worst

havingfitz

(1): pirate mollie

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

Sugar Cain

(1): Sugar Cain

Kokichi Oma

(1): havingfitz

Not Voting

(1): Ankamius

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

Previous Vote Count

[pirate mollie]

oh. poor memory.

uh huh

[pirate mollie]

brass is from another mafia site, and is a player that only enjoys town. his play this game is not him enjoying town. also, your catchup is shit.

Of course that is why you have been pushing on brass

[pirate mollie]

mollie

are u still as bad as you were a year or two ago?

how does it feel to have a late game lynch option taken from you? I imagine it sucks considering how you are resorting to ad homs rn

[pirate mollie]

it is meta i learned recently

From where

I think I have played in 2 games on here in the past year so what are you talking about? Are you an alt?

[pirate mollie]

{Eddie, Ank}
{ND}
lol thats all my townreads
uh
{ad}
{screen, fitz}
{wisdom, kok}
{sugar cain, tywin, tw}
{mollie}

okay

{Eddie, Ank, ND}
{Fitz, AD, Sugar}
{Wisdom, screen}
{kok}
{tywin, tw}
{mollie}

i have fluid reads because i'm scum and these fit my current situation!

so
I think chaining Mollie -> Tw / Kok (if we hit scum skip the other) -> Tywin probably wins

thoughts?

So you are lining up lynches for after a player flips scum that you are not even voting for

Amirite

[pirate mollie]

mollie

are u still as bad as you were a year or two ago?

how does it feel to have a late game lynch option taken from you? I imagine it sucks considering how you are resorting to ad homs rn

if you knew who's alt i was you'd know why i do not like you

but irrelevant!

i'm still not getting lynched i'm just waiting to see who hops on

So it isn't that you think I am scum it is that you don't like men, gotcha

It explains the lack of vote. If you were town i think you wild be pushing me still but since you are not you are just trying to cya cos my flip will make you look bad?

Problem with alts is that can't really control who you play with. Benefit of alts is that you can deal with pole from a fresh perspective and let go old baggage. Just a suggestion.

Sorry I replaced in and caught you this quickly. I find it funny tho so plz keep talking

I think some1 else on the scumteam knows me too. Just a hunch.

This is funny. I shld replace in more often

[pirate mollie]

I don't want mollie lynched today, I think I'll be able to confidently have her sorted in time.

Plus she's someone I can work with pretty easily, so it's a boon to have her around if town.

What do you want to do. I want to lynch Eddie he can't keep his story straight for 5 seconds and he looks rattled as fuck

[pirate mollie]

i'm RATTLED that one of my 5 least favourite people on site replaced in, but that's about it

every time eddie posts a kitten dies somewhere

[pirate mollie]

I don't want mollie lynched today, I think I'll be able to confidently have her sorted in time.

Plus she's someone I can work with pretty easily, so it's a boon to have her around if town.

shes scum though

still town!

but I am starting to wonder what you are cos no way wld you push me like this right off the bat if you were town unless you have learned nothing in the 6 years we have been playing together. and you are another 1 who hasn't really scumread my slot except as a lazy "oh hur dur I guess we can go here" until I replaced in which you started pushing me w/o trying to sort my alignment.

you are not even trying wis. you are not even remotely trying to figure me out. at all

bad wis BAD

[pirate mollie]

im not moving off mollie
please lynch her

how about you answer my question about d1 where you let a quick lynch go through

every single time a quick lynch has gone through where we have been in a game together you have been scum. town wis tries to sort, scum wis just wants pple lynched.

so far you are not sorting you are just lynching and its d2. the only reason I am not going apeshit on you is cos of our rather colorful history and I don't want to blow up in the game cos I am actually pretty happy and mellow these days and I don't feel like fighting. your push on me is really really gross.

I wld like to hear from every1 before I start delving deeper into my thoughts.

also eddie's reply to me is so lol I am not even going to bother to respond

[pirate mollie]

but you're playing like scum-mollie and brass was scum
what is there to figure out

how does "scum!mollie" play

[pirate mollie]

I don't answer ridiculous questions
I don't control people's votes. Eevee wasn't trying so I didn't mind him being wagoned.

uh huh

town!you wld be trying to figure me out or at the very least be telling pple that if you wind up dead then I am for sure scum cos you are not wrong in that regard, but that isn't what you are doing. I can't answer for brass cos I am not him but I know I am town and I know a shitty push when I see 1 and I see 1 rn

[pirate mollie]

i have no reason to say that if I can get you lynched
if you evade it i will

VOTE: wisdom

yeah no

still town

and I am starting to think you are scum!

[pirate mollie]

Molly, we're vigilante who only gets their kill after they die

[pirate mollie]

Harmless zombie is scum. It's a scum voter. Mod confirmed it. Harmless zombie is lynching me.

How can anyone be this blind? It's just beyond me. I seriously don't get itm. Even Ank is flailing in an attempt to twist what the mod said with multiple interpretations, but the only significant interpretation worth any credence is that it's an extra scum vote. The mod literally confirmed that in the thread. Ank voted me after Harmless Zombie did, and shes pushing hard to make it seem harmless zombie is somehoe not a scum vote.

Let that sink in. I forgive everyone for being derpy though. I miss things too, but I didn't miss this one. I'll still be lynched with probably 2 or 3 scum on my wagon PLUS a harmless zombie vote, but I want everyone to recognize what's going on after the fact.

how is the anonymous zombie voter modconfirmed as scum? cos that isn't what he said

This is scum. You guys are right

so I am scum because I didn't know that there was a scum zombie can som1 walk me through this cos I am pretty sure I am not reading this right

and when I read the set up I skimmed it and I missed that part cos right now I am paying way more attention to how players play rather than set-up spec

[pirate mollie]

We have a doc that heals after death.

I guess I am going to have to do more reading huh.

I will do that tomorrow.

can you give me a tl;dr version of the gamestate from your POV plz?

[pirate mollie]

don't you pple dare hammer me before I have a chance to respond to the shitty wagon on me. it is based on OOG reasons which is garbage but I want to at least get a list in so you pple can reevaluate when I flip. cos this sets town back a day and the next day is likely gonna be mylo if I am looking at this correctly altho figuring that stuff our beyond a 3 player lylo has never been my thing.

sorry I am not glued to my computer 24-7 like I used to be but I have a life; blue ridge parkway yesterday (no phone service but it was lovely thanks for asking) and today I have school stuff.

so if you can keep it in your pants for 5 minutes until I can get home tonight that wld be lovely

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

And no, I didnt need Katyusha to lynch you. I was letting you wagon me to find your partners and then I had my claim to be safe. then I could cop someone tonight and get killed to send my two results to ank and the game would be PoEd out. It was over.

I am all ears. I can't exactly avoid you if I don't know who you are

just saw this game ended in a hilarious way.

ty for the game beefy <3

good to see you again mara <3 fun playing scum with you kokichi

ank <3

[pirate mollie]

this looked like a fun game. I was going to replace in but I meta'd brass herald and he was really obviously scum, so I was like erm nope.

I didn't read but when I got on the scumboard and saw what he wrote there I was like fuuuuuuuuuck it