Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

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Ego

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Mom has informed me she's short on time so it looks like I'll be taking over for a bit.

~N

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Caught scum in post 16 yaaas

I AGREE!

vote:the worst

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Nancy wagon was crap.

EeveeLution Army was is solid though.

vote:Evee

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it is

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ANKAMIUS!!!!!!! now my next post in "describe the playstyle above you" will actually be my own thoughts. c:

Are you town?

actually

VOTE: tywin

Resume operation crossbow
VOTE: Tywin

Dont do this, assuming wisdom is town here, this is a terrible sheep.

As far as yesterday goes, Tywin is my strongest TR though I'm not entirely sure I agree on him with Zito. Gonna go back and touch bases with Nero but like... I know the duck can do better than this

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with a scum lean on Ankarius largely for their predecessors play

What play?

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Mom has informed me she's short on time so it looks like I'll be taking over for a bit.

~N

Since writing that Mara had come back so I had wrongly assumed that she was back for good and I was waiting for her so we could play together like, you know a hydra.

My reads are pretty outdated (since I haven't been following along lately) but TY is town and so is Nancy and Dan. I guess I can read up and give an updated opinion.

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Lol. Ankamius is fake.

agreed.

Searching for sugar man >:

Pour some sugar on me
Ooh, in the name of love
Pour some sugar on me
C'mon, fire me up
Pour your sugar on me
I can't get enough


but SRS I just got home so...

even though they've been here the whole time

I really haven't. I know it looks bad on my part and on one hand I'm like "ok, I can't blame ppl for suspecting my slot." but OTOH I'm like "pushing a non active slot as scum is the kind of low resistance wagon that scum like to push." So I'm kinda leaning there being scum in Wisdom/Ank. And your post seems pretty manipulative.

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or, you are just scum that's talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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Nero, I'm curious why you think my vote is on you right now.

you voted me b/c my slot was inactive. I'd assume that your explanation is that you've left your vote on me as a "pressure vote"

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So I'm kinda leaning there being scum in Wisdom/Ank.

Why?
Who?
Why?

but OTOH I'm like "pushing a non active slot as scum is the kind of low resistance wagon that scum like to push."

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Nero

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That only half answers my first question......which one of them and why

/ is either or but gun to my head its Wisdom.

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wanted to read d2 but ok

vote:wisdom

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like Wisdom is bad but besides maybe Zito he's voted nothing but town

VOTE: nancy

VOTE: eevee

actually

VOTE: tywin

VOTE: dan

VOTE: sugar

lets do dis

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thats not an answer

maybe you should explain y I'm scum beyond me not reading d2 till my slot was prodded?

Okay, so you ARE paying attention. So why are you assuming I'm voting you because of a scumread?

Well, of course, I'm paying attention NOW b/c I'm here NOW. If you are town then you either voted me b/c you scumread my slot for being inactive or you were pressure voting me. I'm not sure why I should assume you were pressure voting me over scumreading me. And if you are scum then you just got on an EZ wagon so...I'm not all that sure where you are going with this or what you hope to accomplish.

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unfortunately tywin, dan, nancy, and you are unflipped so that argument isnt compelling

true, those are just my current reads but I'd lock town them when/if Wisdom flips scum.

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where the hell did i say youre scum because of this?

:/

I don't know why you voted me to begin with. I think its a plenty fair for me to think that you and Ank voted us b/c we weren't active and is the dumbest argument ever that I shouldn't assume that. I mean, if not that what SHOULD I assume?

but also like you are sitting there and saying to lynch me so its pretty obvious that you are scum reading me or I guess its behavior consistent with our last scum game together so...

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When i have a strong scumread i tunnel

TBF, you tunneled my slot as scum after I called you out similar to this game.

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How am I misrepping you?

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and I shouldn't make that assumption b/c?

Why were you voting me in the first place if it wasn't activity based?

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ok, what did you suspect me for?

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you do realize that I hadn't read anything from d2 prior to my getting prodded right?

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*shrugz*

I felt like it was a decent assumption to make, why was it not?

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^
wis' scum game.

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How much is your scumread on me based on that?

maybe 25%. Like I'm mainly scumreading you b/c I think there's scum that was going for a low resistance wagon. I don't think you're making a ton of sense here but you've already self meta'd with "I don't make sense as town". Do you think ppl should suspect you when I flip green?

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Do you say that as scum?

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I'm not?

Whats your read on Wisdom.

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I don't think that asking you how my green flip would affect the game state and how you feel you should be perceived has anything to do with my belief that I will or will not get lynched.

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meh, I like him. Let's be honest here, I hadn't read and you agreeing with me while still voting me looked a bit like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Vote Wisdom then we can all be one happy town bloc.

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Are you willing to compromise on Eddie or Kokichi?

Depends on my gut after I read here in a bit.

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Really? A lurking prod dodger is allowed to quickhammer? Nobody thought a quicklynch on D1 page 10 was possibly a bad idea?

can also lynch this

ewwww


Also was not a huge fan of TW's back 2 baxk sheepng of Wis in 261,267.

AD mini wagon on p 14 is shit. Could vote either Eddie or Wisdom.

@wisdom.
Not only that. You are grasping anywhere to make something stick for a lynch. You definitely flip scum.

^

Wisdom

Kokichi Oma
Nancy Drew 39

Ankamius

Sugar Cain

brassherald
Eddie Cane

Srceenplay

the worst

ActionDan
Tywin Lannister
Papa Zito

I'm leaning town on Zito simply for how hard scum was pushing his wagon. The other two scum are between Ank, brass, Eddie and TW. Ank can be town if Eddie flips scum. So wisdom/eddie/brass?

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brass giving such confident reads makes me curious.

Still gonna sheep him tho VOTE: Sugar

but y?

Fine, I'll humor you.

My focus would still be on those who outwardly supported Srceen's reasoning for scumreading me. Scum intent is all over that.

meh, I like him. Let's be honest here, I hadn't read and you agreeing with me while still voting me looked a bit like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Vote Wisdom then we can all be one happy town bloc.

Not liking this.

I mean, if she helps me lynch scum then she's prob not scum.

Yeah, I could lynch either (Ank/Sugar) but Sugar’s vote does seem to be the scummiest one in the game so far. Also their interaction seems kind of weird.

Wanna engage me more on this?

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brass giving such confident reads makes me curious.

Still gonna sheep him tho VOTE: Sugar

but y?

Fine, I'll humor you.

My focus would still be on those who outwardly supported Srceen's reasoning for scumreading me. Scum intent is all over that.

meh, I like him. Let's be honest here, I hadn't read and you agreeing with me while still voting me looked a bit like talking out of both sides of your mouth. Vote Wisdom then we can all be one happy town bloc.

Not liking this.

I mean, if she helps me lynch scum then she's prob not scum.

Yeah, I could lynch either (Ank/Sugar) but Sugar’s vote does seem to be the scummiest one in the game so far. Also their interaction seems kind of weird.

Wanna engage me more on this?

Your push on Wisdom, seems be coming out of nowhere . There isn’t anything organic about its progression. Why is he your top scum? Nothing about it makes sense.

As for your interaction with Ank, this is how it reads to me:

Ank: let’s team up.

Sugar: I’m voting you.

Ank: Cool, I’m voting you too.

Sugar: Kidding, lol.

Ank: me too, no hard feelings I hope?

Sugar: Nah, let’s go for Wis.

Ank: I’ll raise you an Ace for that extra pair of Queens.

Sugar: let’s shake on it.

I mean, I know I'm town and I saw a wagon on me like its certainly possible that both Wis and Ank are bad town but I think its just as equally possible that scum were going after a low resistance inactive slot.

From there my suspicion ballooned out into a full-fledged scum read. I don't like any of his votes.

those switches span the whole game kokichi
are you trying to shade me

felt like this was pretty conscientious.

I'm not a fan of the way he cries misrep when I was under the impression that the wagon on me was solely activity based. He knew I hadn't read yet and blasted me for not knowing his reasoning and then when I countered that I hadn't read yet he blasted me for that. It felt very "dammed if I do, damned if I don't" and I felt set up.

His p 29 posting is pretty bad. Koki is town but the chainsawy defense is bad I think.

I also think his strongarming mislynches is similar to his scum game.

Is your sole reason for town reading him based on his switching from you to Zito?

I don't think your impression of Ank and I's interaction is that spot on. Wis is scummy to me, I think its pretty common sense that those that lynch scum with me are probs NOT scum. Now the advanced version is that, yes scum do bus but I think optimal bussing range is later in the wagon. I guess sure, maybe the wording is weird but I don't think the intent is.

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Haaaiiiiii

Wisdom is my Scumread here and Nero kinda agrees but mostly just wants him gone so yeah.

Also

Shuga mama is permanently V/LA Friday night to Monday afternoon

I did get a new phone though so I will be a more prevalent presence now if anyone missed me!

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As far as Wisdom scum goes, Nero got some of it but all of D1 I didn't like the vibe I was getting out of him. I don't like the pushes he chose. He went after easier targets (Nancy and later Zito)

Nancy was clearly town from the get-go and while my read on I Zito is null I don't like the reasons attributed to why he's scum here (Nancy's was particularly bad but heh)

Along with that he seems kinda placaty and not the hard headed, bull headed wisdom that I'm at all used to seeing and there was something about the posts he was making to Nancy that seemed kind of... Manipulative.


That aside I also don't like how he made it look like I was town reading him when I said "assuming wisdom is town" and twisting the context of which that was said in.

That context being "assuming that wisdom has a town win con this game his reasons were fallacious " nothing in that context has me saying "I am assuming wisdom is town here with bad reasoning " and I don't understand why he would ask me why I assumed he was town in the first place at all

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I also skimmed through d2 and saw something about the duck and wisdom being a team together which is HAH!

the duck is town, first of all.

Second of all, if the two of them were scum together the whole piggy backing off each other is not scum/scum play at all in any way whatsoever. I don't like how the duck seems to be dependent on wisdom this game and is unquestioning of his alignment but that's all that's really there

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Wisdom also knows better about asking for my reads. He knows that sometimes I'll give them out and sometimes I won't but I sure as hell don't give them out when asked and that asking me for my reads list will most often make me more resistant to giving it so why even ask me

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Hey Nancy, wanna talk to mom for a sec?

You pretty much bleed town and I realize you were at L-1 but I think it was more a combination of sheer annoyance with you, and people not wanting to read you because of the massive AtE, policy, and it being scum driven.

I need to reread d1 again to get a better jist of what's going on regarding you, zito and eevee but I also remember a brief moment where zito had some shade thrown his way before Eevee was ultimately lynched.

Where do you stand on wisdom because I think it was him and maybe brass that was scum pushing your wagon

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also i dont really feel like voting zito anymore given brass and kokichi want that

Didnt you just think I was town or am I thinking of someone else

youre thinking of someone else
my read on you was defaulting to town like always until you started shading me

How in the world is stating that you're playing in a way he isn't used to shading?

I mean, that's the exact same point I just brought up but in different words.

He's not wrong, either. You are being far less intense than your norm this game.

Duck why in the world do you continue to blindly follow him?

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Hey Nancy, wanna talk to mom for a sec?

You pretty much bleed town and I realize you were at L-1 but I think it was more a combination of sheer annoyance with you, and people not wanting to read you because of the massive AtE, policy, and it being scum driven.

I need to reread d1 again to get a better jist of what's going on regarding you, zito and eevee but I also remember a brief moment where zito had some shade thrown his way before Eevee was ultimately lynched.

Where do you stand on wisdom because I think it was him and maybe brass that was scum pushing your wagon

How did Brass push my wagon?

He was like the 3rd or 4th person on the wagon before it disapated

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Ohhey Fitz.

I don't understand why I continue to not receive Pedits before posting

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No.

This last page or two is kinda weirding me out

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Uuggghhh.

Stuff always happens over night

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I think we might be willing to vote Ankamius or Srcreen

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I still feel that Tlan TR. it feels like he's one of the only few who are actually trying

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Why would he do that if scum? Does scum usually stick their neck out for a villa everyone else is sr?

Its called white knighting

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Idk if I should let that slip influence my read on wisdom

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Nancy. You are making zero sense.

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VOTE: Sugar Cain

I want my kill

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Guys please just vote me so I can vig Nancy tonight

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I don’t buy that Ty was white knighting. He was actively trying to stop the Eevee lynch.

I mean also, this is what a white knighter does and it's asinine that I'm even arguing it because I town read that slot.

Also give me my kill

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I probably won't even have it in me to actually kill Nancy because she's clearly town but she's starting to get on my nerves and I am probably more useful dead than I am alive.

Also wouldn't vig the worst, Tylan, zitoslot, and wisdom (debating)

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Sure. Just vote me

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Notes on Necromancy Mechanics
There is at most one zombie at any given time. It turns to dust at the end of the day.
The zombie is represented by the alt account, Harmless Zombie. It is controllable both directly (via a login) and indirectly (via PM) by the mafia.
The zombie may only post naked votes.
Zombies will not be identifiable as any dead player.
Each dead player can only be reanimated once.

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This game includes a necromancer, which is able to reanimate dead players' bodies into a voting zombie. For more detail on the zombie, see the next post.

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VOTE: Brass

You already stated that you want me dead and I am giving you a golden opportunity. I recall the statement being something like...

"SC lynch is protown regardless of their alignment "


Pedit : vote park me instead?

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I can't vig while alive

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And scum aren't likely to kill us now.

Also I already said I would be unlikely to actually follow through with vigging you but you are just so goddamned annoying

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That was clearly to Nancy.

Pedit: I'm not vengeful

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In Lylo the game wouldn't go into night and I can only kill at night

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Also who's saying that's the conclusion they wanted town to come to?

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The timing is so obviously made that the first conclusion town would come to is your conclusion that they thought it could be user to frame brass

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I not Nero


Or chickadee

But I already said that I'm not gonna vig nancy

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The timing is so obviously made that the first conclusion town would come to is your conclusion that they thought it could be user to frame brass

But that isn’t what I think. I think they A) wanted to shade villas: the worst, ank, Wisdom and B) make everyone think that brass has to be locktown and make sure that he gets to Lylo and town mislynches, thinking he’s the IC.

If town sheeps me, they will likely do the opposite d3, but if town ignores me, they are far more likely to repeat this, IMO.

This is why I wanna kill you. Why is your opinion the only opinion that matters. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE already sees that point but just because this is a valid point doesn't mean the one made by ank or myself any less

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And how in the world does the zombie following three people gonna make them any less legit?

It's like doing a VCA late game and there's a flipped scum on a wagon and calling the ones that came before scum because of their vote. Like.


Pedit: fine, fair

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@EeveeLution Army , please save Sugar tonight.

why? I doubt theyre getting killed

Sugar, is your vig ability affected by how you die? Or is it irrelevant?

Because then Eevee needs to protect someone else.

It's irrelevant. I just need to be dead. Eevee shouldn't even touch me if I end up living

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VOTE: Tywin Lancaster

Who is town, amirite?


Yes, I know HZ can’t answer. I didn’t make this post for their benefit.

Weren't you just reading Tylan?

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I know we are supposed to ignore the zombie but what are the odds of scum being run up twice vs town being run up twice?

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V/LA until Monday

Acknowledged

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Thats mom

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Sugar, Tywin and tw
please vote mollie or kokichi

Brass was scum off something weak, (wagon stuff) and I can't ignore zombie no matter how much I try. I also wanna give Mollie a change to prove her alignment

I don't and never did like your push against koki

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Duck!

Are you here? I have 15 minutes. Sell me on Eddie. He was a leaning town read for me

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MOLLLLLEEEEEEYYYYYY

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Molly, we're vigilante who only gets their kill after they die

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Ive been trying to get people to lynch me BUT NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE ME MY KILLZ

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It isn't X-shot if that's what you're asking

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so what r u dum dums up 2?

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sleep is 4 the weak. This game sucks. You need 2 do ur work.

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Do you think tywin is scum trying to be bad on purpose

no, you just r sux at mafia.

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I hardclaim absorption masonizer.

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Do you think tywin is scum trying to be bad on purpose

no, you just r sux at mafia.

how is that related

I'm saying that you are either misreading him or scum that's pushing a mislynch. I lean the later obv.

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Do you think tywin is scum trying to be bad on purpose

So this purpose of this was????

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Well, you just coulda asked "hey, how do you read Ty?" or something like that instead of trying to subtlely influence her into scum reading Tywin.

I'M NOT SCUM READING TYWIN

, he yells!

U were. Feel like explaining what made you flip your read on him.

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Well, you just coulda asked "hey, how do you read Ty?" or something like that instead of trying to subtlely influence her into scum reading Tywin.

I'M NOT SCUM READING TYWIN

, he yells!

U were. Feel like explaining what made you flip your read on him.

dude. I was voicing my thought. My thought was "What if Tywin is actually scum who's playing bad on purpose?" So what did I ask Katyusha? If she thinks that could be the case.

So you

THOUGHT

that Ty was scum that was playing badly but you lied to me earlier when you said you weren't scum reading him.

Why are we not lying this?

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lynching

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youre doing this on purpose arent you

deflect.

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I really don't think I like this Mollie wagon.

I feel like wisdom's read between koki and brass/mollie. They clearly aren't scum together and I don't like tywin being there while claiming hes conftown while not giving the same extension to brass who was brought to L-2 by the zombie before he was

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I mean, I highly doubt koki decides to bus when other viable lynch options exists. It would be against his wincon.

Also, why are you all against giving me my shots I promise to do the protown thing with them

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Official Vote Count 2-13

Tywin Lannister

(3): Srceenplay, Eddie Cane, Harmless Zombie

pirate mollie

(3): Wisdom, Nancy Drew 39, Kokichi Oma

Ankamius

(2): Tywin Lannister, the worst

havingfitz

(1): pirate mollie

Eddie Cane

(1): ActionDan

Sugar Cain

(1): Sugar Cain

Kokichi Oma

(1): havingfitz

Not Voting

(1): Ankamius

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-05-09 18:15:00)

Previous Vote Count

This is the VC in question. At the time, Brass wagon had died down a little bit and Tylan was a viable CW. Further more, not only did kokichi vote at a time where putting pressure back on his buddy would be precarious, he was super nonchalant about it.

I'm not saying koki can't be scum but if he is, it isn't going to be with Mollie

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Possibly but doubt was still kind of in place Also, I don't think you may have been to hard to try and push

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I just... IDK, I kinda feel like there were a couple other options too

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Eurg

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Probably.