Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

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VOTE: Mathdino

game 1: both town
game 2: me scum him town

gambler's fallacy suggests he's scum and fallacies haven't let me down yet, let's lynch this

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omg
this is a solid player list, I didn't even look before

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don't lynch skitter pls

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hello!

VOTE: the worst

scum enters the wagon!

Am I missing something because I only see one duck

VOTE: Oxy

UglyDuck is also a duck

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o yea VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Math/Sajj/???

let's go guys

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Lol i just ppayed anime game thdn go clas lolol i rub u so fust

It’s Friday afternoon, so my brain has clearly shut off but wat

I am just hoping I'm still dreaming and that post never happened. ;n;

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ofrhz is it you? You should know it's not me because I was scum last game

on a scale of 1 to 10 how serious is this post?

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ofrhz is it you? You should know it's not me because I was scum last game

on a scale of 1 to 10 how serious is this post?

I take my gambler's fallacies very seriously, so probably 10/10

me too

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@ofrhz use this

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FUCK YESSSSSSS

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sheep me, I've found 2 scum

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˙ƃuᴉsnɟuoɔ sᴉ sᴉɥʇ

ǝɯᴉ ssǝuᴉɯɯnɔs ǝɹoɟǝq ǝɔuǝpᴉɟuoɔ = ʎllɐɹǝuǝƃ sǝɔuɐɹʇuǝ uᴉ ʇsɐɹʇuoɔ

¿ou 'ʍǝu sᴉ nɹnɹ

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Math sheep me

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fiiiiiiiiine

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any scumclaims after d2 will be considered legit <3

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if you're feeling nice announce that you're voting to l-2 or l-1
try to always announce l-1, if someone misses it call it afterwards
post intent to hammer before hammering, give someone time to claim

idk that's probably about it

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I would feel bad about pushing scioness with maximum Mathdino weight on d1 off of 1 post
I would otherwise sheep you, as I agree the post is more scum indicative than null
Waiting til everyone checks in

/lurk

I'm not seeing how the post is more scum indicative than not. In fact, I would be inclined to suggest it's more town indicative than anything else.

why

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yo skitter how's things?

I would feel bad about pushing scioness with maximum Mathdino weight on d1 off of 1 post
I would otherwise sheep you, as I agree the post is more scum indicative than null
Waiting til everyone checks in

/lurk

I'm not seeing how the post is more scum indicative than not. In fact, I would be inclined to suggest it's more town indicative than anything else.

why

Why not?

It draws attention and provokes reactions. Not something scum want at this point.

In saying that I did do an RVS L-1 in a mountainous reverse mafia (you were trying to get lynched) and was town read to my death on D1 as mafia, so I guess there's that.

fair though it was only L-2 and I would've expected town in that position to be a bit less vague --are you an alt?
if not what's your offsite experience?

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Doing good thanks.

skitter do you have any scum meta? thinking back to Math's Stack the Deck you're too easy a townread for me.

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I had a minor scumstreak early in my MS career. it is a pain.
I'll go do some reading, shame there's no recent meta.

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sometimes I roll scum but I never AM scum
every now and then I am a milling mason vigilante but that's besides the point

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I can't meta read for shit, I'm just curious

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in fairness all this shit is so long ago scum!skitter is probably different by now anyway.

anyway.........town!skitter is awesome so I will just try to resist reading her for now in the hope she skitters

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try this https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ew_on_Cops

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heya twinny

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It was the first RVS wagon and it was Sajj's first post. What could she have done to be less vague?

No alt, and I upon cursory examination, I have played 26 games of mafia. Holy shit. First game on this site since the place I normally play is pretty much dead used to smaller games (around 9-13 players) so I might try my hand at a bigger once once I get used to how things operate in a different place.

I think 13p is the perfect size game (give or take)
welcome. hope you enjoy it here.

sheeping the first rvs wagon to L-2 with nothing but a "hi" post pings me as more likely scummy than null/towny. L-2 also lacks the accountability of L-1 or even like a 2nd vote, it's a decent position for scum to be in.

idk if it were me I'd say something like "good wagon, evilduck must die (vote)" but that's not really the point.

I'm not lockscumming her ass and suggesting we lynch with fire but it's a great place to start

btw Math is super super heavily invested in the whole Mafia Discussion world and is incredibly sharp re. open setups. everything he says will be objectively correct or a highly educated opinion. but it's not alignment indicative.

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honestly I read everything setup spec wise as NAI. it's nice to note for future though

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same here Oxy, sunny is fiiine

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I mean it has nothing to do with winning the game but.......

alright I'll bite

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note to self:
scum!dino is evil

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Cool, the actual game started.

what do you think of it so far?

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skitter is a horrible D1 lynch and probably so is TW?

Yaaas
+ math is a bad d1 lynch ftr

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Scum to town

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Skitter
Sunshine, mathidino, ofrhz

Everybody else is null

Let it be noted this list is bad.
It has 5 people on it and its bad.

Other than that Mohab has just said random garbage so suggesting anything he's said could be wrong is interesting.

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Do you find mohabs garbage posts alignment indicative in some way

Pending his promised tomorrow comments, I have a gut feeling.

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Whose alt are you AP? I owe you a high five

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uh oh

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cool gimmick though, better than mohab's method of shitposting

who was this @?

btw if you have any other questions I'll talk about basically any slot except you and the shitposter atm

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Whose alt are you AP? I owe you a high five

That's for me to keep and for you to guess.

But seriously, if I told you wouldn't that defy the whole point of playing on an alt?

Let's just focus on the game and try to find duck-tor evil.

HOLD ON
didn't mike myers play dr evil as well?!

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you already got all the good townreads fuuuuu

I'll go iso my townleanish players and see if I can sell myself

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well

as I said I like skitter so far, she skittered well considering her last post was on page 3.
I also think she has good instincts so far--hit me up if you aren't picking up what I'm putting down here.

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I think the fact she had ruru and sunshine13 pegged so early as worthy of talking to makes me like her more.

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uhh pinned

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pre coffee duckling english = baaaadddddd

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@RURU

tell me a bit about yourself?
where do you hail from mafia wise?
how would you describe your playstyle in say 100 words or less?

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heya oxy

what makes you townread pingu?

would you say your lynch pool is more 'scumread-focused' or more sorted by process-of-elimination?

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thanks math--I definitely wanna hear from ru when she's around
something just pinged me, low key I wonder if I know her.

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how so?

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that alarms you why......?

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AP meet Oxy, Oxy meet AP

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this player list is fantastic and keeps getting better. I also like the mod. it's like a clean sweep.

@whoever rolled scum fuck you for being scum and forcing us to kill you :'(

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I think I'm crying

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this sounds eerily like another dino I know... <_< >_>

the dark side would also explain your TPR hunting skillz

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oof that's good.

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I'm not sure whose ava is currently more scary pingu.

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centipedes? in

my

lightsaber?
it's more likely than you think.

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page 10 = designated shitposting page

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yeah that's got me too. expecting big things outta my twin.

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that's ok I don't know you
you're town, carry on

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he compulsively suggests policy lynches

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sorry for answering q's for him but can guarantee

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I'm a bit scared he's only suggested policy lynching 4/13 of the playerlist so far

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should we policy lynch him for not suggesting enough policy lynches?!?!

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pre-paleolithic policy prophecy

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

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@sajj anything that's gonna blow my mind?

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are they useful as town?
have you found probable scum?

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He’s a strong town player. and if what he says is true, he’ll bus his own scum partners, thereby doing some of the work for us.

So no, I don’t want to lynch him d1. Plus I think everything he said in 280 is true.

HMM NICE WORK DIZZY DUCKLING

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you also have an impregnable defence ready to go

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Factional communication: During the day or night phase you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].

scum have daytalk, be careful with assumptions like that

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do you scumread ofrhz?

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do you scumread ofrhz?

@sunsh

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Thats your paranoia speaking ignore me

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VOTE: Mathdino
rofl

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Nah this is too 2d for town!Math

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not gonna demand you find me scum in the next 10 posts or anything crazy but....where is the effort

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fiiiine VOTE: Draynth

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if you're town and we correctly read each other I think we have a very very strong chance of winning

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thank you Oxy, I would accept NAI on that post as it wasn't very game related but scumreading it is BS.
I'm pretty sure that style of posting also lines up with the first game Math and I played together (we were both town). sooo

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do you scumread ofrhz?

@sunsh

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we talk to each other and don't ignore people with our 10 day phases sunnnnnnshine (:

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at least you acknowledge the prejudice of that interpretation.

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tru dat I'm an open book

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skitter30...
skitter30...
skitter30...

pedit: oh my summon worked

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you're telling math his scum strategy is bad
why are you doing that

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Yo skitter30! Either we are mind melding again or youre pocketing me!

Thoughts on Sajj, Sunsh and the other duckling?

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I solemnly swear not to deathtunnel Math until at least d2

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while we're getting stuff of our chests
townreading Mohab500 without more content is weird as shit

I'm not adverse to it but there are certain boxes he needs to tick first imo

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i um
i actually uh
find them pretty townish
i just don't really wanna go into that right now
i'm kind of embarrassed to townread garbageposting tbh

pedit: lmfao pingu you're great

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I want to hear something interesting from:-
Draynth
UglyDuck
AP
Scioness Sajj



loosely in that order [:

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Really!?!? Holding up is exactly why I think he could be scum haha

I mean Dino always becomes obv!town on page 2, and here he wasn't

EBWOP holding back

saaaame

Math can be a d2 sort. What he does is amazing and I get he needs to be in the swing of things to do it.

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TBH,

Mathdino is obv!town

And it's because he's holding back.

Strongest town read outside of Ruru

Hm?

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rock and roll I'm holdin u to that

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Please let me know if there is anything I can do to make votecounts easier to read and use. I reorganized the wagons to be alphabetical as well, so, don't try to analyze the list order, it is by number of votes and then by the alphabet. I have seen too many people try to analyze meanings in Vote Counts, but I believe that you can do this.

I laughed harder than I should have at this.

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while we're getting stuff of our chests

Not interested. I'm hetero.

pff u wish

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@universe anyone played with draynth before?

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And I think that for most people who played in that game, ruru is fairly obvtown at this point.

why just for people who played that game?

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{ruru}
{tw}
{sunshine, ofrhz}
{oxy, uglyduck, pin, mohab} --- null
{scioness}
{AP, draynth}
{you}

- eek that reads list is worrisome

wai

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let it be known that you asked for it
i am not actually tunneling you as hard as the following is going to make it seem

I think 13p is the perfect size game (give or take)
welcome. hope you enjoy it here.

sheeping the first rvs wagon to L-2 with nothing but a "hi" post pings me as more likely scummy than null/towny. L-2 also lacks the accountability of L-1 or even like a 2nd vote, it's a decent position for scum to be in.

idk if it were me I'd say something like "good wagon, evilduck must die (vote)" but that's not really the point.

I'm not lockscumming her ass and suggesting we lynch with fire but it's a great place to start

btw Math is super super heavily invested in the whole Mafia Discussion world and is incredibly sharp re. open setups. everything he says will be objectively correct or a highly educated opinion. but it's not alignment indicative.

1. game irrelevant comment

2. buddying newbies

3. overexplained version of "L-2 is often the scumspot on the wagon"

4. irrelevant sidenote

5. backs down from the scumread but justifies his vote as pro-town (i hate to say LAMIST but)

6. buddies me with correct knowledge of my gameplay

none of these things are scummy in themselves but the combination of all 6 and this many words without things that i think actually advance the gamestate makes me read it as
posturing?
LAMISTy?
busywork?
whatever term you use for "scum trying to act like town", that.

I agree with 2 and 5 but rest is a strech tbh

I know defending Math here is a fucking farce but
in his defence he did admit it was a bad case, wait for him to make a real case and we'll see how it stacks up

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@Mathdino
Your "irrelevant sidenote" is actually a response to a question Sunshine had asked him directly.

I read this whole post is personality indicative of the worst - He's going to be welcoming, friendly, and overly helpful to new members of this site regardless of alignment.

Certainly, you have more experience with The Worst's game than I do, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

gross but also pretty towny

why's it gross?
why's it towny?

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[/pretend to be mastina]

I'm caught up now. anyone around?

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that's a clever tactic

for keeping all of your buddies alive til the end

do you have any draynth meta?

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His sr on me reminds me of when certain people have replaced into games and read my iso and been like l0lscum

A few of his other reads were pretty bad but it feels playstyle/maybe old site meta driven and awkward more than guarded

Maybe I'm predisposed to giving him slack because we're sitecat buds/twins?? I need a couple of checks on my take here.

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gross bcause I find

this way of writing from him

to be faked and forced. calculated and unnatural, it was bothering me last game.

Does the bolded mean:
Given Oxy's personality you would not expect this tone?
Generally speaking you feel funny about Oxy's tone?

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His sr on me reminds me of when certain people have replaced into games and read my iso and been like l0lscum

A few of his other reads were pretty bad but it feels playstyle/maybe old site meta driven and awkward more than guarded

Maybe I'm predisposed to giving him slack because we're sitecat buds/twins?? I need a couple of checks on my take here.

my SR is this:

1. you have not towntold, so you're in my PoE pool

2. you have one scummy post

has nothing to do with an ISO or some overall impression, nor is it something pushable/something that i would actually want to push right now

I was talking about Draynth not you.

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I would expect him to be showing this tone more.
Yeah, he is really passive.

i'm not sure if what i just wrote makes any sense

or maybe it does?

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

remind me to suss this later. I might even try to meta.

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{ruru}
{tw}
{sunshine, ofrhz}
{oxy, uglyduck, pin, mohab} --- null
{scioness}
{AP, draynth}
{you}

- eek that reads list is worrisome

wai

ipmortnat

BoP the newbie love ur work

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Sunsh and ƃuᴉlʞɔnp dynamic doesn't feel sortable right now. Given experience I'm kinda taking a bit more time sorting sunsh than I originally thought I'd need to.

ƃuᴉlʞɔnp looks bad off the exchange but...I'm still really not sure he looks scummy off the exchange exactly. :/

Lol I just realised your vote on Sajj was a response to her vote on Oxy.

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So I currently have a list of people who I'm anxious about sorting which is GROWING...... I am bad at this game

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Voting in 25 minutes

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votr" sajk

DIE DIE DIE

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I kinda agree it read like Sunshine forced ƃuᴉlʞɔnp into responding that way.

Not in a bad way

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also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

Sort him on your own, he's a troll.

He is roleplaying a la Austin Powers (very well I might add)

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also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

this post might be funnier than anything AP has posted

+1 I stifled a giggling fit @ work

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I respect the earnestness.

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@Oxy.

VOTE: UglyDuck

ƃuᴉlʞɔnp feels like its trying
Draynth tbc

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Sure

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Who's voting him atm?

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@universe anyone played with draynth before?

He repped into newbie 1797 a year ago ~12 hours before the day1 deadline. He was asleep before I was around, and he got lynched after I went asleep and before he woke up or something, so, like, I was technically in a game with him but we didn't actually interact.

He was more try-hard there, but his slot was imminently getting lynched, so idk if that means much.

What was his alignment? Probably means nothing but circumstantial > nothing

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554 was amazing but......I don't follow

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Pretty sure scum!you never starts a thing with dino here.

Ah-ha! So you do trust in Dino being town himself here. Otherwise, why wouldn't scum.ruru try to distance herself from her partner?

Yo! I saw this too! Cog dis much, skitter?

I think AP is alcohol'd perpetually
He speaks in very abstract phrases

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What the actual fuck ruru

AP's reads are terrible and slightly funny, pretend it's not there

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Yessss affectionate well executed satire > everything else

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Definitely.

Fuck my stupid brain telling me that was a scum!ruru reaction

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Yessss affectionate well executed satire > everything else

i honestly feel like the multiple scenes where austin powers explicitly respects consent was the single most hard-hitting/incisive part of the satire

20th century james bond is kind of a massive dick

I actually love this pov. I haven't expressly compared the two in this respect but agree AP is a more likeable character than average-JB (even if the tone is so different )

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What the actual fuck ruru

AP's reads are terrible and slightly funny, pretend it's not there

Well, he put a very lynchable player in the vig shots and the less lynchable players in the "sure" category

I want to know if he's really sure

In a lot of detail, explain to me why you came to the conclusion that self voting was smart

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math pls
let me be me
we can revisit this on another phase

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There are a lot of reasons I don't want to go into the math/tw dynamic here please trust me

skitter/math and tw/skitter are better to discuss btw

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We are the 3 players he thinks he can mislynch.

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l0ljk one of you/ƃuᴉlʞɔnp is reasonably likely scum here. Maybe both

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I wish it was d2 my reads are farked

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AP can be town for the effort.

Bit of a reach though and there's plenty of other shit to read into.

Independent of your theory, how do you read ruru?

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then came 32 and I'll be damned if I could understand how you could get a read on TW so fast when he is one of the hardest players to read as either alignment?

who tf tho

I wouldn't say I'm that hard to read. Some people can't read me for shit, others crack me right open.

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Whys that Oxy?

I'll fite

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Are you still ok voteparking mohab?

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@AP I didnt check the player list until I said I checked the player list. I knew Math was in and like a couple of others from the queue but just started in the thread. I thought "the duck" must refer to me

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Nup. I thought I might know her from Discord mafia a while ago but I dropped that theory now

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Nup. I thought I might know her from Discord mafia a while ago but I dropped that theory now

So you agree there's a chance she was actually referring to UD by "only one duck" and that your interference helped her out? How do you feel about a ruru/UD scum partnership?

Read page 1 and tell me if you still want me to answer this.

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Read page 1 and tell me if you still want me to answer this.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but I'll guess you're still SRing Math+Sajj so a ruru+UD partnership isn't likely for you. Am I close?

Anyway, I really need to go now. It's past my Cinderella spell-breaking time already. ttys

P-edit: I answered the first part, which should also give you a solid idea of how my brain works. You should be able to follow up that line of thinking on your own. Further questions along the same line are to be considered posturing by me.

me: lights up p1
them: sees a duck

Seriously not sure how you aren't seeing how much sense this makes

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That is a great avi choice. <3

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Why is AP town to you Math

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Why is AP town to you Math

i'm not married enough to that townread to go in depth on this

basically just a lot of #goodposting

Show me the goodposting pls

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Math please tell me you see why I am struggling to townread you this game

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No its bc youre a scumbutt

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Mathdino Mathdino and Mathdino

Fuck the fact I am sworn not to tunnel you until d2 ugh
Ok if you can deliver me a scumfuck today I'll hold off.

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Do you think he's scum misrepping you or just kinda a tool? @UD

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Ftr I don't think he's a tool--just looking for good responses.

Why should the answer not matter to me?

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Do you think he's scum misrepping you or just kinda a tool? @UD

neither? his opinions were condescending but he landed on me not being skum, so IDK how he could be lining that up for a mislynch. more importantly if the answer to this question actually matters to you, you should probably spend less time talking and more time reading the game.

This is why tw is scum for anyone wondering

Tfw you know someone is scum but you don't really feel like lynching them

Whoops

Dude you're gonna need to explain this in more detail. I flip green here and you know it.

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You have to be aware you're playing your scumgame here
It's whatever, I can save it for d2

Edit: points toward the ugly getting bussed theory then

Nonono you're too confident to save it for d2. Compare this to my scumgames and tell the jury why you think this is scum!tw.

If you spit out half assed crap like that p1 post analysis I'll votepark the fuck out of you. you have an inkling of how my scum mind works right? Show me.

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Also please show me when town!Math doesn't push his meta based scumreads. legit, this isn't something I've seen before.

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Arrgghhh I need a certain thing to happen so I can destroy you Math I just hate the misrep!!

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Scumcase me and try to find my """partners""" then

凸(-_-)凸

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Ofrhz worth policy lynching now >_<

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ur face is scum

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I have no like major issues with being lynched here but

Imploring town (which I should have done last time I was lined up for a mislynch)

IF I AM THE LYNCH THEN WHEN I FLIP GREEN BURN THE DINOSAUR TO DEATH

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When people are actually actively scumreading you dont claim scum bruh

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That's like having your house raided due to cannibis possession and being like "lolno I hide weapons for a terrorist organisation ^_^"

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I was explaining to UD the bussing theory

But yeah I kinda get that tbh

lmao whoops vote me

I'll even self hammer

THIS ALSO DOES NOT COME FROM TOWN

+1

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havin a cuppa tea and a laydown

ftr everyone : scum!Math avoids trying to mislynch me early every time. he'd probably drag me to LyLo if I'm not playing obvtown

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Look for "duckling" upside down too

I cant remember his name

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What do you make of all this Oxy?

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Explain.

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> data
??????
> conclusion

is why people have issues with IIOA bro

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Gonna reread for possibility of a super icky Math/Oxy scumteam.

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Ted, weigh in on the last couple of pages.

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Welcome back twinny.

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I probably need skitter30, ruru, Sunshine and pintu to weigh in here.

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Have a good night dude!

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Either I'm being dumb as shit and need to town it uuup or there's 1-2 town seeding my mislynch rn

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Now lynch this

So... lots of number with literally no inferences at all. Math is great, but without your notions on what you gain from it it is essentially useless. For now at least.

Ily now UgDuck

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Btw how are you feeling towards Sunshine?

I never meant to imply there is a 1v1 there. I am just curious whether you feek he misunderstood you & was too assertive with it, or whether you think he did it intentionally.

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VOTE: Mathdino voteparking this for good measure

pedit: ily = i love you

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Yes. Sorry if I sounded overly fired up earlier.

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I'll write up a big old thing tomorrow about why i find the worst scummy independent of all of this associations stuff

But the basic gist of it is this:

The worst is independently scummy
Ofrhz is independently scummy
The worst talks to everyone who is around as if it is compulsory.
The worst has only directly spoken to Ofrhz 4 times through post 626 (where I stopped)
2 were in rvs stage and were fluff
1 was outside rvs stage and was fluff
and the other was a j'accuse post
24,33,285,624
This is not town!worst interacting with town!ofrhz.

I'll process this later.
Your suggestion based on this conclusion?

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I'll link you to ones I've been in so at least you can see where my pov is coming from. He has a great knack for rolling town a lot.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74328
My first game on site (some cringe). Math rep'd into a town slot. I was bad town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=75173
Few games later, theme game and was pretty scum sided. I was scum Math was town.



Happy to add commentary around those if you'd like

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my wiki has all my completed games as both alignments so far (tinymeta) along with some thoughts if you'd like a look.

they're good for math/me dynamics but less so for meta reading me specifically

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so why I'm basically like kill bill siren scumreading math right now

in our most recent finished game math underestimated the fuck out of my scumrange and hard meta townread me for the entire game. I basically just played to my cliche town meta at the time and coasted my way to victory. I'm like 80%+ sure Math realises his ability to meta read me is hit-and-miss.

his scumread on me seems to keep getting deeper and deeper... yet he still keeps talking about pushing it off to D2

1) applying this against town!Math, I've never seen him not charge after his target. the dude is literally a t-rex with fresh meat in sight when he sees someone he is convinced is scum. if he is scumreading me for reals I can't see him not out for my blood. he feels waaayyyy too hesitant here and this is NOT something I'm used to seeing from town!Math. the following quote is garbage on nearly every level and he knows it (the exception being that hells yeah I'm pro town! : D)

TW is pro-town/readable enough as scum and i can probably get him to bus down the line if it comes to that

2) applying this against scum!Math I kinda have this weird theory forming. I think he wants to keep me for a LyLo/lategame mislynch, potentially even a mutually-assured destruction kind of situation. I have not been putting as much effort into obvtowning this game as I do

very rarely

as town in other games. frankly I'm fairly capable of "obvtowning" as either alignment to some extent. Math knows this. this is not my scumgame. this is my disengaged lazy game.

skitter30 can probably back me up here--I am definitelyyyyyyy not unlynchable. but when I'm under extreme pressure as town, I flail beautifully.
in my only mislynch on site so far (Open 711: Stack the Deck modded by Math) I had one maf+(unfortunately super scummy town) pinned and was continually arguing with a SECOND scum who unfortunately I didn't push super hard because they had claimed PR. the third scum was a troll.

on the flipside, scum!me under pressure tends to just deflate and start lolcatting.




thinking logically fucking hurts my brain but my current theory:

> scum!Math has recognised this as a lazy game for me and that I'm a potential mislynch.
> scum!Math is pushing this off til D2 or later because 1) pushing me early is bad, + 2) he needs ample towncred to call my reads shit OR 3) he wants his team townblocked so no one will believe my reads




I'm an introvert
I get hard scumreads when my slot feels poorly treated
sue me

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I probably need

skitter30, ruru, Sunshine and pintu

to weigh in here.

hmu friends

just stating for the record: I do not trust Oxy currently.
he was either seriously overtired with his last attempt to gamesolve, or he's scum.

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This is not town!worst interacting with town!ofrhz.

like this kinda stuff

he's spouting random statistics + reads and throwing out outcomes with no logical trajectory.......
this is probably the prime example that just made me go ?_? wtf ?_?

can you see where he was going with any of this tonight?

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probably townreading the effort more than scumreading the bad result

dude was tired and probably needs to think through stuff a bit more

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What do you make of all this Oxy?

You're both scum. This is just the icing on the cake. You're both just obv!scum

Explain.

Nah, I'm going back to catchup

> data
??????
> conclusion

is why people have issues with IIOA bro

Actually, more catchup in the morning. I'm sleepy.

this was seriously bad tho

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pagetop theft before coffee, nice work brass

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information instead of analysis *

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I think he's soft-sheeping Math if he's town. which is ok imo because I sheep Math most of the time.

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what are you thinking on anyone/everyone else?

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ruru, scioness is also just town

if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic

also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me

could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

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Vig shot count

ofrhz (1)

: Mathdino

UglyDuck (1)

: AP

Mohab500 (1)

: ruru

Not Voting (10)

: the worst, Draynth, Sunshine13, UglyDuck, Mohab500, Oxy, skitter30, pinturicchio, Scioness Sajj, ofrhz

I don't really want to direct night actions so I'm boycotting this.

@vig if ur ther -- if you have a strong ass scumread who is unlynchable shoot the fuck out of them (as long as your reads arent awful). UD+ofrhz+Mohab is a goodish pool but just try and be aware of whether you can trust your gut



p.s. fnords in this post say "SHOOT THE DINO SHOOT THE DINO SHOOT THE DINO"

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Lmaaoooo

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Mistook for 1 shot vig l0l

Ok shoot it tonight then shoot the dino tomorrow night

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ruru, scioness is also just town

if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic

also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me

could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

pretty townish, otherwise not that interesting

vote for shooting ofrhz pls

Edit: wow yeah vig playing hero is potentially the most anti-town idea possible

Problem.
If loud and charismatic scum steer the vig shot, it is MORE anti town.
Don't act like you don't see it

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i've played/seen games where vigs have shot:
- someone the bodyguard was protecting

ok...got me in the feels....

HURT: mohab for nowsies

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I'm suddenly feeling "randomlynching in lovers doesnt work" level stupid

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I'm suddenly feeling "randomlynching in lovers doesnt work" level stupid

I mean the only people who claimed that were scum so

incorrect.

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Especially because I was TRing ofrhz and Md was TRing me? (I understand totally if he thinks I'm a weak player and my reads are likely bad because it's true, but yeah)

RIGHT when he has reads of his own why does he sheep onto a shit wagon?!??

Also havent analysed but it feels like votes are flinging onto the ducks wayyyy too quickly whereas nobody has voted with me v Math despite the fact he just doesn't feel right.

No one else seeing this?

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Whatever feels best to you Sajj. Just make it nice to read.

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Your posting style so far has been mostly rad, keep it up

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Very seriously consideriny townblocking the entire duckpool.

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No they're both posting well.

Owe a reread to make sure I'm not TOO confbiased because this is starting to feel easy