Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

There can only be one duck, and between an ugly one and the worst one, I preffer the ugly

VOTE: the worst

[pinturicchio]

ruru is obv!town

P-edit: yes, she's obv!town. Dino I'll talk to you now

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Dino, do you think scum would pick Vig knowing that you are in the game?

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jailkeeper almost certainly doesn't exist lol

4. Shoot all the PRs, potentially mislynch the 3rd one by arguing that there must be an innocent child out there and jailkeeper is an

easy fakeclaim

How's JK an easy fakeclaim if it certainly doesn't exist? A JK claim would be obviously real since picking him would be idiotic from scum.

This inconsistency is pinging me hard, you don't fail in this kind of shit

[pinturicchio]

jailkeeper almost certainly doesn't exist lol

4. Shoot all the PRs, potentially mislynch the 3rd one by arguing that there must be an innocent child out there and jailkeeper is an

easy fakeclaim

How's JK an easy fakeclaim if it certainly doesn't exist? A JK claim would be obviously real since picking him would be idiotic from scum.

This inconsistency is pinging me hard, you don't fail in this kind of shit

wat

the point would be telling people "lol no way scum picked jailkeeper, you're just claiming JK to draw out the town PRs!" and mislynching the jailkeeper

how does picking JK being idiotic make JK claims MORE likely to be real? that makes no sense

Yeah, but why would scum claim JK instead of the remaining PR (assuming the other two died), let's say 1-shot cop or tracker or whatever. Claiming JK being the remaining PR (because you said your plan was killing the other PRs) "to draw the town PRs" is another inconsistency in your plan. But what I mean is, if you're scum, why would you claim JK instead of anything else if JK is less likely to be in the setup. Scum could claim another PR and survive because of this

[pinturicchio]

Oxy is using too many smiley faces and that's concerning

ruru is town

skitter, ofrhz and Scioness: nothing to say at this point

Uglyduck MVP

Dino could be scum

[pinturicchio]

Dino could be scum

wat

I already told you, the inconsistency about the JK thing pings me, but let's leave that behind, you will eventually be lock town and the game will be solved by our spectacular mathematician who also happens to be a dinosaur

[pinturicchio]

Oxy is using too many smiley faces and that's concerning

ruru is town

skitter, ofrhz and Scioness: nothing to say at this point

Uglyduck MVP

Dino could be scum

Reee also ignored

Hello! He asked for reads on players I have played before, haven't played with you although I read a Newbie game with you on it, can't remember which one.

[pinturicchio]

Following wrong town!Dino is the easiest strat from scum PoV, so if Mohab is town, AP saying in his vote on Mohab's post that it seems that Dino is leading, is basically disassociating from his own vote.

VOTE: AP

[pinturicchio]

Oh look, Dino saw the same thing. Now I'm following wrong town!Dino?

[pinturicchio]

Ok I don't care if you're town or scum, that's funny

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@Oxy you saying Dino can conduct but not be in the orchestra is exactly like being in the council but without the Jedi master rank, and we all know how that finished.

Dino is Anakin confirmed

[pinturicchio]

Give me a second, I have to check something

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Ok what's up

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Well, if we're making a Star Wars flavor inside game's flavor (flavorception, as I like to call it), I had to get an avatar that identifies me in this game

[pinturicchio]

I apologize for the delay in getting the vote count up, ended up watching Who Framed Roger Rabbit and I forgot how long it was.

@mod, can we assume that the scumteam framed Roger Rabbit??

[pinturicchio]

Wow you're all here, it's 4 in the morning here so I expected total silence.

Guys, I got the first freshly baked tinfoil hat theory just for you: scum!Dino and scum!the worst. Enemies of the heir ... beware.

Sunshine is town by the way

@skitter reads on me please?

[pinturicchio]

Really!?!? Holding up is exactly why I think he could be scum haha

I mean Dino always becomes obv!town on page 2, and here he wasn't

[pinturicchio]

EBWOP holding back

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Ok, the tinfoil hat theory is still on, but I'll leave it for another day. I got real reasons to believe that Drainth and Uglyduck are both scum, and if we want to lynch the ducks, then I'll focus in the ugly one

VOTE: Uglyduck

[pinturicchio]

Who's voting him atm?

You, ofrhz and me, and I think Dino's question could mean "is ofrhz Uglyduck's partner bussing or is Uglyduck a mislynch that ofrhz is trying to get?". Basically saying in both ways that ofrhz is scum

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@Ugly Sorry, who are you talking to? You addressed ofrhz and me on the same post

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No hate Ugly! And I'm not going to lie, I mostly didn't read your readlist because the first two lines were enough for me to believe this is your first scumgame on this site

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Acceptable D1 lynches: the worst/ruru

Acceptable N1 Vig shots: UglyDick/Pintu/skitter (in that order.. I think)

Are you really willing to shoot a little innocent young padawan?

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OK.. I'll leave now and come back tomorrow. If nobody wants to listen then I'll yield and go back to role-playing and sheeping Mathdino.

If you're sheeping Dino, why are you voting for one of his locktowns? Or why are you even scumreading one of his locktowns?

[pinturicchio]

OK after completely catching up, here is my generalized reads list so that I do not take up 2 pages of space. If you have a question, or want more input on a specific read, just ask. If I posted all my notes it would of taken up until like page 25

I'm calling this slot scum based on this quote alone. Fight me.

[pinturicchio]

I was going to figure out my vote when I finish catching up. Is there a pressing reason for me to change?

Also, Pin, Didn't we learn last game that LAMIST is not a scum tell?

My own mafia theory is that nothing is a town or scum tell without context, but LAMIST can perfectly be a scum tell depending on who, when and how is being LAMIST (this could be aplied to anything). If you don't know the suspect's meta, then analyze "when" and "how"; if you know his/her meta, then you have "who" too.

[pinturicchio]

OK after completely catching up, here is my generalized reads list so that I do not take up 2 pages of space. If you have a question, or want more input on a specific read, just ask. If I posted all my notes it would of taken up until like page 25

I'm calling this slot scum based on this quote alone. Fight me.

... that’s stupid?

@Pin, I don't want to fight you but ???

There's a pretty useful tool called "asking", you both should use it if you don't see what I'm seeing. There's a chance that I won't answer, but hey, at least you could try!

[pinturicchio]

@Oxy go read post 591 from Open 714 Tit for Tat and you'll understand the "when" and "how". See the similarities? If you do, ask me for the "who" after

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@Oxy go read post 591 from Open 714 Tit for Tat and you'll understand the "when" and "how". See the similarities? If you do, ask me for the "who" after

So you're saying he's doing a thing that you did once as scum?

Answer my question first: do you see any similarities?

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Yeah I see the similarities. I didn't read the entire post, but I see the similarities in the opening.

How is it relevant?

Because of you don't see them then I won't waste my time answering you lol it's almost 2 in the morning here and I have to wake up in four hours.

I was overwhelmed in that game because it was my first scumgame, so I made a pretty nice readlist with solid points to get some credit, and asked the rest to engage me with anything about that readlist. The "who" in this case is not a meta read on Ugly, but a meta read on overwhelmed newb!scum

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Oxy, my top hat lad, you're oh so wrong. Town, but wrong. ofrhz is likely the designated mislynch of this day, magistrally orchestated by our beloved scumteam.

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You're all metareading ofrhz when he's playing his second game onsite. I know it's hypocritical to say this when I'm hard townreading ruru because of her change in this game in comparison to Newbie 1859, but I was ruru's partner so I have much more scum!ruru experience since I knew from the beginning she was scum. So let's play a game called "ofrhz is town"; who's the scum pushing the wagon?

[pinturicchio]

ruru could be scum if AND ONLY if Dino is scum, nothing more, nothing more, nothing less. So @scumteam if ruru and Dino are town, you will have to leave Dino alive to make us believe ruru could be scum, what a pickle! But there's absolutely no chance of ruru being scum and Dino being town at the same time

[pinturicchio]

@Oxy and did you count how many direct interactions I had with everyone? Cause I think you will find something funny: I think I have spoken directly mostly to you and Dino, so your "direct interactions reading" is not helping you sort the game

[pinturicchio]

Want to use that information in a useful way? Make some analysis, maybe say "the worst ignores a lot of people in this game compared to other games I've read were he was town, maybe he tries to ignore a lot of people to devaluate any associations we can get from a scumflip", but hey, I'm not going to do your work

[pinturicchio]

You avoided them too (but not much data at this point, so i'm not making this argument atm. Just giving you your data because you asked.

Told ya. But not avoiding, what have I avoided? I tend to speak with myself until someone @s me

[pinturicchio]

ruru could be scum if AND ONLY if Dino is scum, nothing more, nothing more, nothing less. So @scumteam if ruru and Dino are town, you will have to leave Dino alive to make us believe ruru could be scum, what a pickle!

But there's absolutely no chance of ruru being scum and Dino being town at the same time

Why do you think this?

I don't think that, I'm sure of that. Read the Scum PT from Newbie 1859 and look how ruru feels at being scum with Dino being town

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Bro. I did my work. The worst has been scummy this game: I saw it, math saw it, others saw it.
Ofrhz has been scummy this game - again, a bunch of people saw it.

The associations are circumstantial evidence that bolsters the cases people are already making against them

And the associations with you are my good tip for tomorrow.

This is not me going down some statistical rabbit hole, and basing my reads on nothing else.

Oh I didn't mean you are basing your reads on nothing else on the worst or ofrhz, but you stated that you would read me now and I didn't want you to start reading me with the associations thing. And I think the worst is scum so you keep doing that and I'll help you. Just wanted to help you sort me so we can trust each other and be besties

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ruru could be scum if AND ONLY if Dino is scum, nothing more, nothing more, nothing less. So @scumteam if ruru and Dino are town, you will have to leave Dino alive to make us believe ruru could be scum, what a pickle!

But there's absolutely no chance of ruru being scum and Dino being town at the same time

Why do you think this?

I don't think that, I'm sure of that. Read the Scum PT from Newbie 1859 and look how ruru feels at being scum with Dino being town

Will do

Here's the link https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=75474

[pinturicchio]

pintu is either town or scum with ofrhz based on that meta argument.

Well you will have to investigate one of us this time, you filthy cop

[pinturicchio]

Let's play a game called "ofrhz is town"; who's the scum pushing the wagon?

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@Oxy

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Let's play a game called "ofrhz is town"; who's the scum pushing the wagon?

The only winning move is
not to play.

Could you repeat that for me, over? I didn't catch what you meant, over

[pinturicchio]

Answer me, please. I'm getting anxious. Why don't you want to play my game?

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Arggggg Oxy this is the only chance you'll get to cooperate with me!! This opportunity comes one in a lifetime!! You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow!

[pinturicchio]

@pin, who do you think is the scumteam?

Uglyduck, Mathdino and the worst

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: UglyDuck

I've been waiting for this since forever. YEAH BABY YEAH!

[pinturicchio]

Dear Oxy,

You're tunneling ofrhz the same way you tunneled Scioness and skitter in a less degree.

Yours truly,

Pin

[pinturicchio]

...just shoot mohab it's not that hard

although shooting ofrhz might make more sense

god why did so many people ask to be lynched lol
HURT: ofrhz
this is more likely to hit scum and more likely to reduce paranoia/gamesolve even if town

Or put Ugly on L-1, wait for the claim and if he claims VT he gets shot? I know a game where this was optimal

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Oh, you're right, I just assume there's a vig because why the hell you pick something else as scum, but yeah I'm not going to speculate about that without flips

[pinturicchio]

never gonna read all that, fuck that

and tomorrow I can't use a computer/laptop so it's impossible

yeah fuck that just lynch me

Could you help us sort you instead of repeating that you won't read and that you don't have time? Like, anything

[pinturicchio]

what tf is the hurt command?

They're using the hurt command to vote who the vig should shoot

[pinturicchio]

never gonna read all that, fuck that

and tomorrow I can't use a computer/laptop so it's impossible

yeah fuck that just lynch me

Could you help us sort you instead of repeating that you won't read and that you don't have time? Like, anything

I am town I guess. If you vote me up to l-1, I'll selfhammer and prove it if you want.

Are you like... Angry because of something? Wanna talk about it?

[pinturicchio]

@Mohab ok buddy don't stress out is just a game, but whenever you come back please town it up!

[pinturicchio]

HURT: ofrhz

Sorry pal, if your dead helps town to work together, you must die

[pinturicchio]

@Dino correct me if I'm wrong, but since there's a chance of a Vig existance, then how do we evade him shooting a PR? Should the designated vigkill claim or what?

[pinturicchio]

I'm not asking for a vig claim, I was asking about what the designated shot should claim so the vig doesn't accidentally kill a PR, but whatever, I'm too stupid to understand

[pinturicchio]

I'm not asking for a vig claim, I was asking about what the designated shot should claim so the vig doesn't accidentally kill a PR, but whatever, I'm too stupid to understand

I was talking to the duck. the vig target does claim - i think.

I was talking to the duck, too.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Oxy let's do this

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Good luck, Mohab! Hope everything works out

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I'm out of time for the moment, myself. to be continued.

Looking at the wagon, there's definitely one scum!duck on it right now. He's probably the lone one right now, but in a world where there is a second, it's probably pintu.

This is exactly why I'm scumreading you, for the record

[pinturicchio]

Pintu - Idgi. why?

You're mimicking your towngame in Newbie 1859. You're doing the exact same things that you did on that game - tunneling, giving hard townreads - 'cause you thought "hey, same players, I'll do the same I did there". Problem is, you said at the end of the game that you felt you played poorly, so why would you play the same way you played there if you think you played poorly there? And the first time I realized this was when you put your readlist with me as a townlean and not as a townread. "Why the fuck is he not townreading me?", I thought. "He's sheeping Dino so hard that he's voting one of his townleans, but he's not sheeping him in his townreads, why?", I thought.

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VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy VOTE: Oxy
Whoever is not voting for Oxy at this point and doesn't vote for him on his next post will be considered as a scumclaim

[pinturicchio]

A Haiku just for you:

I'm so very glad
that the counsel of the crown
says skitter is town

[pinturicchio]

In retrospect, pintu reaching out to work with me was really townie. I don't see why that comes from scum!pintu but there is a thing I can't talk about holding me back ever so slightly.

I want you to tell everyone here what's that "thing I can't talk about", please

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That would break site rules.

Ooooooooooooh!!!!

I thought you were scum PR reading me and you would kill me tonight and if I flipped PR you would say "yeah, that's what I meant" pffffffff hahahahaha I'm a fucking idiot

Ok I'll have to reread you and see where are you coming from

Want to cooperate with me?

[pinturicchio]

Want to cooperate with me?

Yes. What subject?

Tell me your three most scumreads please (I know I can ISO you and look at it but I'm like... REALLY tired. Pretty please?)

[pinturicchio]

B-but I made a Haiku about skitter being town! So you missed one scum, and that scum is...

VOTE: Mathdino

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I'm not townreading Dino, that's enough explanation, everyone who knows him will understand my feeling. Pushing him until I start townreading him, because scum!Dino is better dead on D1 than any later day

[pinturicchio]

do i look like a dancing monkey

Dance dance dance

[pinturicchio]

Pushing him until I start townreading him

Well, I know it feels like "Yeah, baby, push it, Ah, push it, push it good, Ah, push it, push it real good."

However, my advice is "Relax, don't do it, when you want to go to it, relax, don't do it, when you want to come. Relax don't do it, when you want to suck it, chew it, relax, don't do it, when you want to come."

Can I adopt you?

[pinturicchio]

Ok Dino who you wanna flip

[pinturicchio]

So we lynch Draynth and vig him to be sure he died?

VOTE: UglyDuck back to this

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@pingurechurro

where you at with oxy rn?

I don't know dear, I'm a little lost. I think Oxy's wagon is well composed, but I believe Uglyduck's wagon is much more promising and town motivated

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@pingu, understand where you're coming from but there isnt much of a wagon.

UglyDuck is definitely more lynchable but do you think he can be scum with daychat?

I knew I was the only one voting UglyDuck, it was a LAMIST joke

I do think UD could be a scum with daychat. I mean, it's not like his scumpartners will babysit him, and making a readlist is something that doesn't require supervision. But I have two things to say about the assumptions about UD not making mistakes because of daychat:
1. We don't know if UD asked his partners to help him compose his readlist.
2. Even if he asked for help, his scumpartners could have agreed that it was a good list and that people would townread him because of all the effort he made.

You, my duckling friend, are so convinced on Dino being scum that you're assuming that UD would've not made that post with partner!Dino on command.

Also, one last thing: if you say that UD would not make those bad posts if he was supervised, then we agree that those posts are indeed bad (and by bad I mean scummy)

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Well, I saw the wagons' composition and I still like Oxy's above the others. I would vote ofrhz but I don't like Scioness suggesting to vig me because of my read on Oxy, no sense at all
VOTE: Oxy

[pinturicchio]

I have a game for you, answer this question:

Why is Oxy still alive?
a) He is scum, scum is stagnating his lynch
b) He is scum, Draynth is the counterwagon
c) He is scum and Dino is his partner
d) All of the above

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Faked confidence. We have less than two days to get a lynch and I would rather lynch Oxy than no lynch, so I'm trying to push that

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Oh and I like his wagon's composition, especially now that ruru is on it. ofrhz voting Draynth pinged me too

[pinturicchio]

That's because I have nothing to say about him! And that's exactly why his wagon seems to be a counterwagon, like if I had something on him it would be a stretch, either for town or scum, so people building a wagon on him seems suspicious or plain wrong. Would give him town points for being the counter wagon, but I can't say that until we have a flip

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Mmmm good question, let me make a quick check instead of answering from gut (I believe it's mostly town, but give me a sec)

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Yesss I was right. People who pings me because of playstyle tend to be scum, and people who I can't recall or remember something that caught my attention tend to be town. Draynth is there right now, I really have nothing on him, neither town or scum, so that could mean he's town. Same goes for Sunshine by the way.

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@NSG I know is too early to make VCA, but put yourself in my place: I'm scumreading Oxy and UglyDuck and they're both voting Draynth; even if I have nothing solid on Draynth, I wouldn't want to be on a wagon with both my scumreads

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@skitter put your vote were your mouth is, please

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Draynth's at L-2 right now, not L-1
VOTE: Draynth

See? He's not lynched right now

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VOTE: Oxy

[pinturicchio]

@mod, you put Oxy voting for Oxy, it's ruru

Fixed, thanks

[pinturicchio]

I have a game for you, answer this question:

Why is Oxy still alive?
a) He is scum, scum is stagnating his lynch
b) He is scum, Draynth is the counterwagon
c) He is scum and Dino is his partner
d) All of the above

So now we have ten hours and the most voted wagon is a PR...

Skitter, stop fucking around and vote Oxy. You're not helping town by voting Dino right now. Same to you, ruru.

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Unless...

VOTE: Mathdino

Not a fan of Marvel movies

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OMG ofrhz and Dino are scumpartners in crime and there's no vig in the setup!!!

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Draynth hasn' claimed PR so everything you're saying right now is nonsense. Vote Dino and win a wonderful price

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Instead of being pretentious, you could show us where did Draynth claimed PR?

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Instead of being pretentious, you could show us where did Draynth claimed PR?

I don't think I'm being pretentious?

How are you reading that bit where he goes, I really don't want to claim with 12 hours left even though I'm barely ever in the thread?

Again, if he is VT, I think that is playing against win con?

Oh, so he hasn't claimed

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Oxy, Draynth was at L-2, he was never at L-1. You were at the exact same position, are you acting against your wincon for not claiming at L-2?

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Publicly PR hunting, Oxy? Do you think I'm that stupid? Again, he was not at L-1, so you are just WIFOMing the shit out of the situation.

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Publicly PR hunting, Oxy? Do you think I'm that stupid? Again, he was not at L-1, so you are just WIFOMing the shit out of the situation.

I don't think you're stupid enough to do it as scum, no.

OK, sure - Draynth hasn't explicitly claimed PR yet.

Does that mean you that, from my PoV, you think I should still be voting him?

I'm not stupid enough to do it, period. PR hunting is a silent task until the moment is right. You and ruru are speculating if you should be voting Draynth for his claim when he hasn't even claimed yet.

I don't care what you do with your vote, Oxy, that's your decision. I'm not cooperating with you for at least this day.

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Oxy, Draynth was at L-2, he was never at L-1. You were at the exact same position, are you acting against your wincon for not claiming at L-2?

I think he was at L1 at some point but was afk at the time

Nope, I put him on L-1 to show people they were asking for a claim when he was not even at L-1. Dino said gave intend to hammer too. Draynth wagon was really ridiculous

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I'm not stupid enough to do it, period. PR hunting is a silent task until the moment is right. You and ruru are speculating if you should be voting Draynth for his claim when he hasn't even claimed yet.

You've basically asked me to claim on multiple occasions in this game, so if you think you are such a master of not pr hunting as town, you probably shouldn't be so...

pretentious.

No I haven't. ISO me and show ONE post where I INSINUATED you should claim. And yes, insinuated, 'cause I've never explicitly or "basically" asked you to claim, not even once. And what you said makes no sense about "thinking I'm a master of not pr hunting as town", you just don't know what you're saying anymore

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Uuuuuh that I thought you thought I was a PR and that you were scum doing the exact same bit I did with eth0s???

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You were townleaning me "with a detail", why would that "detail" mean you are a PR??? What would you being a PR have to do with a read on me? It's the other way around, Oxy.

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okay, let's argue about it in post game. jesus christ, pin.

Good idea, we're both getting frustrated and this could be perfectly me having trouble with english again

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if draynth is a pr, there are 3 scum in {the worst, ofrhz, skitter30, sunshine}

Sell me sunshine. I agree with the worst and ofrhz and strongly disagree with skitter, so sunshine is the only loose end

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Sure.

UNVOTE: Mathdino

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We're scumreading him!

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OMFG Dino

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Dino gets universally townread when there's no way to confirm if he's town or not

Dino gets scumread when he's actually a confirmable town

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Well, if I had to go anywhere right now... VOTE: ofrhz

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Oh, right, I assumed there was no vig because I thought you were scum, damn. Uuuuh what do you suggest? I want to lynch Oxy but you seem to townread him, and your townreads are better than your scumreads

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my reads are also ass this game

so you tell me

a very large part of me wants to lynch skitter for being terrible but that's probably wrong

my wagon feels town-motivated at its base

my strong townreads are {ruru, pintu} -- these are the ones i'm probably never wrong on

oxy? i literally haven't seen a single case on him that wasn't shit in some way

he's made a bunch of posts i don't think scum make

Well, I feel like the most opportunistic vote on you was coming from ofrhz; I thought he was bussing a little to evade suspicion if you flipped scum, but now it's pretty obvious he's scum. I know he will be vigged, but what if there's no vig? We powerlynch him tomorrow, right?

I will check the worst's ISO, that could be fun to read

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if there's no vig then yeah ofc you lynch him tomorrow

TW is probably town, don't waste your time

help me sort everyone either

A. off my wagon
B. 5th vote and onward on my wagon

aye aye captain

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Ok first glance, my lynchpool would be {Uglyduck, Sunshine, NSG} in that order

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VOTE: Uglyduck

I know you want it

[pinturicchio]

Still do not see UgDuck as scum with daychat
Like
Eek

Well, I guess you'd say, what can make me feel this way?

[pinturicchio]

skitter and Dino cooperating? What a plot twist amirite or amirite fellas? I'll give 100% credit to my Haiku.

Yo Ho, Yo Ho, a tinfoil's hat for me! Uglyduck and Sunshine are scum together, don't know who the last one is!

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My exact reaction both duckling and skitter. ruru stop the speculation, leave out the hesitation, bring us scum for our nation and we'll give you a standing ovation!

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By my own admission, I'm not that serious, but I do think Ugly is scum and the argument about "scumpartners would coach him on their PT" is bullcrap, and the first fella who brought that argument was Sunshine, so from my point of view seemed like a soft defense on a slot that was not providing anything thoughtful

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Shoot let me go back and read again that part of the game 'cause I was looking for Sunshine and ofrhz associations and I brought the idea of Sunshine/UglyDuck because of interactions when UD's wagon started to get some momentum

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(Well before reading, calling it now: scumteam is ofrhz, Sunshine and UglyDuck. This is for ego purposes at the end of the game)

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oh yeah missed that, my bad

There are some weird interactions between you, UD, and Sunshine, and I'm starting to think 2 of you three are scum.

Ok I didn't find the Sunshine thing I saw (there's a post where UD had only one vote and Sunshine said "UD is newb!town pls don't lynch" and that pinged me but not quite as I thought), but I found this post and it would be hilarious if ofrhz was trying to separate himself from his partners by doing this read

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skitter and Dino cooperating? What a plot twist amirite or amirite fellas? I'll give 100% credit to my Haiku.

Yo Ho, Yo Ho, a tinfoil's hat for me! Uglyduck and Sunshine are scum together, don't know who the last one is!

not forgiving you if pintu is scum math

i guess we can call it even for 1859

(even though i came around to scumreading him as the game was winding down)

What you talking about? You're scumreading me for this post or something?

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Nooooo NSG get your next level tell for reading me and use it wisely!! We need you on our townbloc

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i think NSG thinks that you play scum like jaydragonking

That would be lovely

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AP could you unvote please? Not Mafia is coming, I can feel it

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in fairness to myself, ofrhz self-voting was legitimately scummy and i still want him vigged

HOW ABOUT THIS GUYS

we could compromise by lynching ofrhz and vigging not_mafia

Oooooooooooh now we're talking

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How about lynch ofrhz and vig UglyDuck

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okay how about this

lynch ofrhz

if town (and especially if quickhammer), vig not_mafia

if scum... vig uglyduck?

Edit: AP we really do not have a lot of options lol

DING DING DING DING HORACIO SALAMANCA

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VOTE: ofrhz

Vig if you don't follow Dino's plan I'm telling my parents I met an awful person on the internet!!

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Am I a bad person? If we don't have a vig....

I we don't have a vig and ofrhz flips red, we lynch UD. If he flips green, we can decide about Miltank. Ducky duckyyyy come with ussss we have breadcrumbs just for youuuuu

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I think UD is a better vig shot when I flip green

Aaaaah, the WIFOM for our vig when you flip red, smart move, but the point of using the vig shot as a second lynch is exactly to avoid this kind of situations

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@Not_Mafia Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

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Sup cunts etc.

Welcome NM, you town?

Sup

Nope, not this time

Just wanted to note that Not_Mafia has only posted twice and one of those is Proffesor Oak in a suggestive attitude with a cow, and I can't hold my shit together

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hey AP didn't you have to look at the opening post in order to come up with that vote count

He hasn't noticed yet????

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ofrhz already claimed VT

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Can we lynch UglyDuck now, pretty please?

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Oh and by the way, it's pretty clear that the scumteam chose a 1 shot cop and thought that the worst was that PR, so now we have an IC and a 1 shot cop with a check (I assume he used his check today to reduce the risk of being killed before revealing his check), so we're in good track. I mean, the best scum could do would fakeclaim that and mislynch once; maybe the claim should come before LyLo to avoid that situation (then the claim should be done today/tomorrow, right?)

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ruru I'm not following your thoughts, care to explain?

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I'm more convinced about the idea of living Dino alive because he wasn't townreading NSG, implying that they want to mislynch NSG today

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I'm more convinced about the idea of living Dino alive because he wasn't townreading NSG, implying that they want to mislynch NSG today

If we knew this to be the case, this would pretty much clears at least Skitter, you, and me. I don't think any of us give IC!dino an entire second day to find a strong town read on NSG.

If they're keeping Mathdino alive because of his reads, I think it is more likely because of the scum he is town reading than because of the town he is scum reading.

I don't think it clears anyone except NSG.

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I don't know Oxy, I haven't thought anything about nothing yet, I'm just saying what I think would explain why scum decided killing tw instead of Dino. And I don't care if you clear me or not, I'm not townreading you, exactly because of posts like that. "I no longer think it would clear you"... So if I said "wow Oxy I agree with you, we're cleared!!" you would townread me? WTF

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I'm more convinced about the idea of living Dino alive because he wasn't townreading NSG, implying that they want to mislynch NSG today

I think i've been mislynched maybe once this entire year. if that's their plan, it's not going to work out.

Why would scum know that? We've talked about how great is Dino at reading you, so given that info, it's not crazy to believe that scum thought they could mislynch you with Dino leading the wagon.

Btw, I'm townreading you, if you didn't noticed already

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I mean, draynth is scum, right?

Like, why isn't he dead.

Yeah, this is a good point, but is WIFOM. I will insist until I die that Draynth has not claimed yet, he was never at L-1, and maybe scum believed that he was VT pulling a mind game... But by occam's razor, they should've killed him, so I want to see what he has to say about this.

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I don't know Oxy, I haven't thought anything about nothing yet, I'm just saying what I think would explain why scum decided killing tw instead of Dino. And I don't care if you clear me or not, I'm not townreading you, exactly because of posts like that. "I no longer think it would clear you"... So if I said "wow Oxy I agree with you, we're cleared!!" you would townread me? WTF

I said that if we knew it to be true, then it would mean x people clear.

This is not the same as saying someone is cleared. At all.

Yeah sure. It was a gross example, but my point stays the same.

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alright, mate. tunnel me all game, that's fine.
The idea that they kept mathdino alive to lynch nsg is absolute shit, tho.

1. Not tunneling you.
2. Haven't insulted you or your reads.

Back off

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@Dino why is Draynth not a 1-shot cop??

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pintu not scum gg

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@skitter Oxy was hard-reading tw as scum, so don't know what are you talking about

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Someone "claiming" VT =/= Oxy hard-reading that someone as VT. Oxy was scumreading the worst, period. Draynth could be VT "claiming" PR and scum didn't buy it.

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I'm a little lost, but I'll summon my townbloc and we'll solve this game. With the power of friendship! NSG! ruru! Dino! And our beloved pinturicchio!

Come on, gals and dinosaur, where we at. We have seven players to analyze, three of them are the scumteam. I love gambling, and scum leaving the IC alive was a bold move, so I'll make my play right now: hardclaim 1-shot cop, NSG town confirmed. Between those 7 players there's one PR, so 6 players where 3 are scum and we have two mislynches before LyLo. Let's do this.

AP, Draynth, Sunshine, Oxy, Uglyduck, Skitter and Not_Mafia.

If I had to bet for one of those being town, it would be Skitter.

If I had to mislynch one of those to avoid leaving him on LyLo, it would OBVIOUSLY be Not_Mafia.

If I had to bet who scum is trying to mislynch today, that would be Draynth.

And finally, if I had to bet who the scumteam is, that would be Oxy, Uglyduck and Sunshine. If I was wrong on one of those, I would love to be wrong on Oxy since he's a strong player, so my bet would be VOTE: UglyDuck

Bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao!

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why do people keep investigating NSG -_-

Because you weren't townreading her and I thought you were going to be killed and someone had to conf!town her since she has good reads. I was already townreading Mohab, but that slot needed credibility

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It's the same to making the Vig shoot someone town decides; my reads are not as good as I think they are, so investigating someone like Ugly would have been a horrible mistake if he was town. NSG can solve this game better than me. Now we have you and NSG as conf!town, so help me solve this Mr. Dinosaur.

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what is it about draynth's wagon that makes you think scum are actually trying to mislynch him

Draynth's wagon on D1 formed on sand, and then everything has been about his "PR softclaim", which I believe it was a scum misrepresentation of the situation. Draynth was at L-2 when he said he wasn't going to claim could be either be VT or PR; scum wasn't sure if he was a PR or a VT, decided that if he was VT he was an easy mislynch on D2 and that was an optimal situation, left him alive and started pushing him until he claims. How anti town is pushing Draynth until he claims if everyone thinks he's a PR?

Yes, I'm paranoid as fuck, maybe I'm thinking this too much and it's just scum!Draynth, but even if it is, UglyDuck would still be his partner, so...

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huh. I had sunshine pegged as a pr

Why didn't you kill him last night then?

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Well Math, if you want to lynch scumpartners, quoting what a great player said on his first post on D2:

Can we lynch UglyDuck now, pretty please?

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Sup cunts etc.

Welcome NM, you town?

Sup

Nope, not this time

VOTE: Draynth

Dino how the hell can you say that Not_Mafia is playing his scumgame if he has posted only this on the entire game.

I mean if you want to say that Scioness was scummy ok, but come on.

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ugh. gross kill.

Finding his reads in his ISO is not fun - I stopped. If someone else wants to scrape those up, that would be cool.

Not going to have much time for this until late tonight,

but on first glance, {UD, Skitter, NM, NSG} looks like a good lynch pool

Or maybe because the scumteam thought he was a PR but then had to say it was a bad kill because it was a softclaimed VT

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i hope it's draynth/NM/uglyduck so that i was right

maybe it's not uglyduck though, if i'm wrong on one i think it'd be him

You were scumreading me too!! Second game you're wrong about me, now you have to tell me that wonderful metaread you have on me! It's a siterule, I read it somewhere

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@Dino again, and proving my point about Draynth, you're already assuming that he'll claim JK and everything about your plan assumes that. If we lynch somebody else today, skitter is dead and scum!Draynth will say that he hasn't claimed yet and claim VT. CAN WE STOP HELPING SCUM PLS?

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Why the fuck would I claim 1-shot cop when I was being townread already. I think I've been vote like once in the entire game. Same with skitter, why the fuck would she claim tracker. I was waiting for a vt claim from draynth, now we should lynch him to avoid any WIFOM on D2. But I think I understand Dino's reasoning: if we lynch Ugly and he flips red (which he totally will), Draynth "protects" Dino (pffft) and skitter tracks Draynth. If Dino doesn't die and skitter gets a result, I'm scum (pfffft). If skitter lies and says he got a result when in reality he's not the tracker, he will be instalynched the next day after you guys lynch me. If skitter says Draynth didn't move, we lynch Draynth and if skitter lies, he get's instalynched next day... Easy.

Let's lynch Ugly

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LAMIST!Oxy on the last pages after the claim is not enough? He's talking about a {Pin, Sunshine, AP} I mean come the fuck on, at least say something like {Pin, NSG, Not_Mafia} since I confirmed NSG as town and I don't want to read Not_Mafia.

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@skitter don't lose your time. Even if Oxy is town, he's atrociously wrong on how he's dealing with the claims.

@Oxy who do we lynch today out of me, skitter and Draynth; vote for that player. That's all we need.

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I'm not asking you a question, I'm telling you to vote your scumread out of us three, period.

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Ok I loled. Sorry, I'm being too aggresive. Could you please vote someone, ideally UglyDuck?

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Glad I could make you smile, mate. =)

I've made my thoughts clear about why we should lynch draynth. Math is legit good at this setup stuff, so if math says we still don't lynch draynth today, then I'll hop on either UD or NM - whatever the consensus decides. I won't hold things up any longer.

p.edit I don't really understand the question. Do you mean the I beg your pardon comment? I bristled. it happens.

Can you vote UD or NM right now? It's for a science project I'm doing

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Sorry Oxy, Not_Mafia had to die with a lolhammer. Beautiful irony, isn't it?

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:lol" Did the scumteam really thought that they could push me over skitter? That's sad.

@Dino 9 players, 7 town and 2 scum. Three conf!town (you, NSG and me), one obv!town (ruru), and the rest:
Sunshine
AP
Uglyduck
Oxy
and Draynth

Draynth is confscum; assuming he's lynched today, D4 starts with 6 town and 1 scum, two conf!town and ruru between those 6. Pretty solid for town.

If we don't lynch Draynth, however, and we mislynch today, tomorrow Is 5v2, but with you and me alive and NSG dead. Draynth would still be conf!scum so it's solid for town too.

The list above is the order I would like to lynch, but in reality I have to decide who I want to lynch the most between UD and Oxy. Was Oxy pushing Draynth yesterday? Can't remember. Do you know who wasn't pushing Draynth? Me sorry for over complicating things about him

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ruru could be scum if AND ONLY if Dino is scum, nothing more, nothing more, nothing less. So @scumteam if ruru and Dino are town, you will have to leave Dino alive to make us believe ruru could be scum, what a pickle! But there's absolutely no chance of ruru being scum and Dino being town at the same time

@Dino this is all you need to know about ruru; you being conf!town basically confirmed town!ruru

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VOTE: Draynth

Can I be the new Not_Mafia?

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Can we get some associations between Draynth, Not_Mafia and the other players? Just for the old times

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Brief readslist

Spoiler: AP (Town)

I still think AP is town, but his intent on getting a strong PR suspect (by his own admission) to claim D1 is frustrating for me

Spoiler: TheWorst (Town)

TW is probably town, read progression seems legitimate and doesn't seem to be trying to push any specific lynches but lynch the best candidate.

Spoiler: Sunshine13 (Town)

I really like his point about people pushing a no information lynch, it's a good observation in my opinion.

Spoiler: Uglyduck (Town)

Despite him trying to lynch me I think he's probably town.
The only thing I'm concerned about is how easily he tried to jump on NSG with MD (Possible scum partners?) but he said he was reading backwards which if true would make sense.

Spoiler: NSG (Town)

Probably town, seems genuinely frustrated with Math's arguments against her case(s). Doesn't feel like forced anger from scum.

Spoiler: Oxy (Scum)

He's Scum.
He's Scum.
He's Scum.
He's Scum.
He's Scum.
Did you really think there'd be anything else here?

Spoiler: Skitter30 (Town)

Skitter is obvtown to me at this point

Spoiler: pinturicchio (Town)

Everything he brings up feels like it's from a town trying to solve the game POV rather than scum trying to push a narrative POV

Spoiler: Scioness Sajj (Town)

Might seem weird but suggesting her own lynch seems townie to me as it's a kind of "Vt's are expendable, lynch me for info" kinda view. I don't necessarily agree with it but I also can't see scum suggesting it so *shrug*

Spoiler: ofrhz (Slight Scum lean)

He's felt super opportunistic for most of the game tbh

I took out Dino and ruru since they're not relevant to the point I want to make. Look at every townread Draynth gave and look at Scioness' read, see what lying do unconsciously? "I still think AP is town", "TW is probably town", "NSG probably town"... But about Scioness: "might seem weird but..."; his read on me and Sunshine are the most worked out reads maybe because we were pushing the wrong people, so it's worded to appeal us. Now, the other read that looks similar to his Scioness' read is Ugly's: "Despite him trying to lynch me..."; he worked with conditionals on both cases.

Also, if you look at Draynth's ISO, you'll see that he was townreading Oxy to the point of having him alone on the top of his tierlist, and had Ugly as one of his scumreads (he explicitly said that his scumreads were ofrhz, Mohab and UD after making his first readlist, where UD was null and never explained how his read on him evolved). When Draynth started getting some pressure and his counterwagon was Oxy, he started scumreading Oxy.

So conclusion: it's probably UD, yeah, I've been scumreading him since his very first posts independently and Draynth's read on him looks like partner material.

I don't want to vote now tho, I already lolhammered two of the three scums, don't want to mess up the tradition.

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agreed - he is tomorrow's lynch if ud flips town

You're in no position to say that you'll have to kill me tonight instead of NSG if you don't want to be pushed to death

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@Oxy, you do know that the last time I voted you was on D1, right? You're taking too seriously my push on you, at this point I'm just messing with you 'cause it's funny

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VOTE: UglyDuck

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Great game, everyone, and thank you brass for hosting! And a special thanks to Oxy for making me laugh the entire game; you play great under pressure!

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Draynth

Can I be the new Not_Mafia?

VOTE: UglyDuck

Feels good

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Great game, everyone, and thank you brass for hosting! And a special thanks to Oxy for making me laugh the entire game; you play great under pressure!

thanks =) You played well, yourself:

Draynth Post #50 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:35 am

Man if only Pin knew how spot on he was with the line

"I have a tinfoil hat theory that both UD and Draynth are scum"

Well, I pushed UD until the end, my problem was gettin paranoic about people pushing Draynth. In my defense, the first time people was pushing Draynth was with barely good arguments and they wanted a claim for the sake of it instead of being useful.

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I think Dino is really accurate on his post #129 on the dead thread: this game was pretty solid for town since a lot of the playerlist already played together in Newbie 1859. ruru was obv!town since the begining of the game, we had an IC, skitter was pretty readable too, Oxy wasn't going to be mislynched before other players... Pretty hard for scum to challenge that

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OK.. so both TW and skitter have guessed it right (I'm surprised skitter did tbh).

I'm Almost50

Wow didn't have a clue it was you! Well not that it matters, I don't think I know your meta enough. But I laughed a lot with your posts and comparing this to Tit for Tat where we were antagonic players, this was a blast

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Love playing with you too, duckling, I really like your tone and I think you're a good example of player in this site, where a lot of players think being aggresive is the path to victory

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so, what's the next game we're all signing up for together?

i wonder how long we could keep the train going. it'd certainly be an exercise in improving all of our meta reads, and probably in improving scumgames?

There's a game I'm waiting to be in the Mini Queue (gamethrowing upick I believe it's called?), if y'all want to go there it would be cool! I've played two uPicks and it's much more difficult not to know the setup beforehand so I want to improve in that as well

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I laughed a lot with your posts

That was the main purpose of the gimmick, and I'm glad you loved it.

Now I can't stop looking at your name and think it's "Almost Phiphty" instead of "Austin Powers"

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Step 1: dont read the setup
Step 2: click here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10172128
Step 3: put "/in 725"
Step 4: :3

step 5 its multiball but I am playing it w a friend so hope the player list is great. we need 5 more I think

Done. Would be fun if someone else from here join us too!