Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[AP]

UglyDuck is also a duck

Not true. UglyDuck is actually a swan. Of all statements made in this game thus far this is the worst.

[AP]

I'm thinking there's at least one scum in {ofrhz, Sunshine13} unless one of them gets an avatar

Do you think you thinking that should make me more or less likely to think the same?

[AP]

I was hoping one of the ducks could quack this game open.

VOTE: mohab

alas, it looks like the guy from Jurassic Park is on the driving wheel and I'm betting on his plan to hatch

[AP]

I can’t be arsed figuring out colours

Englishman detected

[AP]

If you call me English one more time I'll shoot you.

Pardon me, Sir Wallace.

[AP]

didn't like mohab's vote post, seems like he's letting me lead town off a cliff

No. I just think you have the largest balls so I wanted to be on your tail is all.

[AP]

Two things:

How am I suppose to know if Dino is wrong? I'm not the mod and I'm not scum.
Also, my lynch is a bad idea. Period. Only Dr Evil would want me lynched to get his hands on my mojo.
Also also, why are there a lot of ducks and no pussycats?

[AP]

Whose alt are you AP? I owe you a high five

That's for me to keep and for you to guess.

But seriously, if I told you wouldn't that defy the whole point of playing on an alt?

Let's just focus on the game and try to find duck-tor evil.

[AP]

didn't mike myers play dr evil as well?!

He certainly did, but I'm Austin Powers in-character. Check my avi. He is bald but I have "her on my head".

[AP]

VOTE: Oxy

206 is an attempt to eliminate my existence.

[AP]

No mention of me

[AP]

Unless of course that list was composed while I was undercover

[AP]

that alarms you why......?

Because I've obv.towned enough even number 2 can see with his left eye closed.

[AP]

Seeing as oxycodone is actually a drug I can see him being Dr Evil's latest invention.

[AP]

my northside pal

Agnetha Fältskog?

[AP]

I actually think TW is my top scumspect haha

There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of suspect other players without explanation... and the Duck.

[AP]

@AP- why is your vote on Oxy?

Cuz I put it there, I guess.

[AP]

Thats your paranoia speaking ignore me

Right. Tell me MOLE.

[AP]

I’m about to crack under the pressure guys.

Would be interesting see you crack, Sunshine.

[AP]

AP....

Why did you vote Oxy

VOTE: AP

Busy. Come back later. I'm trying to keep the stream going so how about you stop squeezing.

[AP]

Wow that's kinda

evil

of you lol

AH-HA! GOT'EM!! Bag 'em and shag 'em for me, will ya?

[AP]

I mean, the point of the game is for town!you is to like, you know, try to figure out if math is trustworthy enough to follow instead of just listening to him?

Just listening to him cuz he's talking a lot isn't a really good idea if you're town - he could be scum trying to mislead you. And if you're scum, you've just absolved yourself of responsibility for your vote, cuz, after all, you were just listening to math, right?

Hmm. So you're saying Math could actually be molesting the molecular system in mole-dova? Is that it?

[AP]

Pretty sure scum!you never starts a thing with dino here.

Ah-ha! So you do trust in Dino being town himself here. Otherwise, why wouldn't scum.ruru try to distance herself from her partner?

[AP]

Yay I'm in real-time now.

VOTE: AP

I dislike both his mohab and oxy votes.

^Scum vote. They're always after me lucky charms.

[AP]

gonna need help reading ofrhz

Sorry, mate. I don't read German.

[AP]

while we're getting stuff of our chests

Not interested. I'm hetero.

[AP]

Honestly know nothing about AP

That's a first. How would you like to get to know me better?

[AP]

I want to hear something interesting from:-
Draynth
UglyDuck
AP
Scioness Sajj



loosely in that order [:

Here's something interesting from me for you to hear

[AP]

If you call me English one more time I'll shoot you.

I may or may not be talking about the game.

Found the Irish / Welsh / Scotsman?

WHOLY SHIT! That's IT. This is SCOTT EVIL.

[AP]

Good answer.

Why did you vote Oxy

The way you out it makes me look like his compulsory complementary second half: moron! I thus have to go after him.

[AP]

^That's an obvious slip if I've ever seen one. Ducks don't have teeth, so how the hell do you know how painful it is to visit the dentist?

I voted oxy because I wanted to. There's no case if that's what you're asking. I didn't move my vote because I don't have a serious scum read on anyone still. I don't want to jiggle my vote around for no reason or purpose.

[AP]

specifically sheeping maths' mohab vote and the random oxy vote cuz oxy left him out of his readslist

OMG! You're a

tripod

tryhard.

So you didn't like me sticking my vote unto a wagon I liked to see how it felt, and you also don't like me swinging it around. Tell me baby, what is your thing?

VOTE: skitter

Now you can add OMGUS to your list. Let's call it.. reason #3

[AP]

Attention! Attention!

As you well know, Mini Me (RIP) had defected and has been spilling his guts for us in a bid to become a reborn good character.

Spoiler: Exhibit #1

We also managed to penetrate Alotta Fagina's .. erm thoughts and used my head to overcome her defences, get her squealing while I was fishing for information.

Spoiler: Exhibit #2

OH, BEHAVE! <REDACTED>

Using the info I managed to infiltrate Duck-tor Evil's organization

Spoiler: Exhibit #3

going undercover

Spoiler: Exhibit #4

Until I came .. with the naked truth .. upfront .. bottom line .. so let me take a bite

Spoiler: Exhibit #5

is

the worst

nightmare you'll ever see

But that's not all.. taking another dip before I went off the facility I came to the conclusion

Spoiler: Exhibit (next number. Ran out of digits and I'm typing with my other hand)

is a really

Ugly Duck

if I may say so myself

And finally

Spoiler: Exhibit (add one to the previous one cuz I have both hands busy now and am typing with my tongue)

is a true

ruru

who will kick your ass if you mock her, but is kind and loving otherwise and will always be a true friend (honest to God that's what I got from googling "ruru". I'm not making this shit up.

So, through the mountains and the bushes I remain a loyal servant to her majesty.

Spoiler:

And now I'm considering creating an account by the name of Hercule Poirot to keep the power balance in Europe. Cheers

Oh, one final note

Spoiler:

The only one I'm not

really

sure about is the ugly one. I skitted by

skitter

and pintu smells too much like coconuts for my linking. Perhaps I should get back to Alotta Fagina for more digging on the subject?

[AP]

Oh, my. That took me a while, didn't it?

[AP]

VOTE: the worst

[AP]

Vote the pink one-eyed creature

[AP]

Acceptable D1 lynches: the worst/ruru

Acceptable N1 Vig shots: UglyDick/Pintu/skitter (in that order.. I think)

[AP]

Acceptable D1 lynches: the worst/ruru

Acceptable N1 Vig shots: UglyDick/Pintu/skitter (in that order.. I think)

Are you really willing to shoot a little innocent young padawan?

Not if UD flips red

[AP]

so guys

while i would love to nail skitterscum off of cogdiss (i.e. "she slipped that she knows dino is town")

i don't believe that's actually a scumtell, and the majority of the time i've seen people try to nail players off this, they flip town

sometimes town doesn't think about what they're saying or what their narrative is

skitter's meta-analysis of me is actually a little bit townish

i think skitter also gets sorted by the NK if not cop-checked fwiw

Did you read my report? Skitter is my 5th suspect, so let's nail one of the top 2.

[AP]

Acceptable D1 lynches: the worst/ruru

Acceptable N1 Vig shots: UglyDick/Pintu/skitter (in that order.. I think)

Why isn't UD in your acceptable D1 lynches?

Because I'm not SURE he's scum, so I would rather lynch my confident SRs and let the Vig take care of the shaky ones. (and of course, being ugly it's not that hard to see where I'm coming from)

[AP]

I think skitter is a really questionable vig shot btw

Agai, skitter is 5th in line, so worry about the first 4 first.

[AP]

@Dino: Could you skim read the game from the beginning with my scum team/suspects in mind and tell me if you see what I see?

P-edit:

@ofrhz: Check the opening 2-3 pages.. better yet, ISO TW vs ruru. I think you will see it clearer that way.

[AP]

Are you willing to be lynched if I flip green?

Yes. I'd be the Vig shot instead of UD even to save the town a mislynch if you flip green. Would you please vote yourself in return?

[AP]

AP, i'm not going to confbias myself, sorry

What if I asked nicely? What if I said "please"??

[AP]

]v]ruru[/v]

[AP]

VOTE: ruru

[AP]

Edit2: @AP: maybe if you did a dance or something

I did better, gdi. I have 31 reasons (41 if you count all games) for you to at least consider my reads.

[AP]

I'll take that as a compliment.

[AP]

OK.. I'll leave now and come back tomorrow. If nobody wants to listen then I'll yield and go back to role-playing and sheeping Mathdino.

[AP]

OK.. I'll leave now and come back tomorrow. If nobody wants to listen then I'll yield and go back to role-playing and sheeping Mathdino.

If you're sheeping Dino, why are you voting for one of his locktowns? Or why are you even scumreading one of his locktowns?

I'm going to sheep Dino for ease of mind, not because I think his reads are any better than mine.

There can only be one town leader, and I only offer my hand once. (How do you go from Austin Powers to Gladiator??)

And ftr, I don't think ruru voting herself makes her likely to be town. In fact, she's just admitted she was playing chicken with me to see if I will go all the way with my push. Think about it: Scum wanting to appear daring and not afraid of getting lynched.. or Ton who decided it was a good idea to get mislynched on D1 and possibly get another Townie miclynched on D2? Because, having never played with me before she can never be sure of my alignment from the playstyle or reads I have provided. Think, and let me know what you decide.

[AP]

Now excuse me while I go watch one of my favourite movies: Octopussy.

Spoiler:

Eh, not really, but I don't think AP would announce he'd be watching The Bourne Supremacy... not unless he somehow didn't differentiate between a

and a

[AP]

But why are you sure of me+TW?

Ok.. TW was being lol.wagonned on page one, and you came in with your 17 titally ignoring the wagon and trying to divert attention elsewhere. (yet you only saw "one duck" when TW's name didn't even have the word "duck" in it. How could you have possibly missed UglyDUCK was in the game? This is part of why I'm skeptical about him being your 3rd, btw)

Moving on, two votes placed on you, and TW switches his vote to a new person. He had already FoS'd Scioness but he was more focused on drawing your attention to the fact there is a nother duck in the game he forgot to vote until there was a second vote on you.

Actually, I retract my SR on UD at this point

Then your 25 comes out of nowhere. Someone who voted you + someone who voted TW and there's at least one scum in them? If that's what you think why did you vote Oxy earlier? More precisely; Sunshine13 hadn't even posted between the point you voted Oxy and the point you posted 25

then came 32 and I'll be damned if I could understand how you could get a read on TW so fast when he is one of the hardest players to read as either alignment?

I mean I could go on, but I'm not about to spend hours composing a post that will most likely get shrugged off anyway. If someone's interested in following up my line of thinking they can do it themselves. It's not that big a thread to do a full reread anyway.

[AP]

OK.. movie is over and I couldn't sleep instantly as I kept thinking about the game, so here's another try (that I somehow know I'll regret)

What if ruru didn't even mean TW when she said there was one Duck? What if she didn't look at the avatars and was referring to UD when TW incidentally and unintentionally threw her a life line thinking she was talking about him?

The problem here is it seemed like TW was confident it was about him, and it looks like the two have played together before that it's hard to believe she didn't take notice of his avatar.

It also doesn't explain why HE would interrupt her wagoning. I could see scum.her seeing a wagon being built on a townie and deciding to avoid it, but I don't see why town.TW would interrupt a wagon (and a relatively small one, mind you) on ruru.

[AP]

@AP I didnt check the player list until I said I checked the player list. I knew Math was in and like a couple of others from the queue but just started in the thread. I thought "the duck" must refer to me

My question is: Did you play ruru before?

[AP]

Nup. I thought I might know her from Discord mafia a while ago but I dropped that theory now

So you agree there's a chance she was actually referring to UD by "only one duck" and that your interference helped her out? How do you feel about a ruru/UD scum partnership?

[AP]

Read page 1 and tell me if you still want me to answer this.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but I'll guess you're still SRing Math+Sajj so a ruru+UD partnership isn't likely for you. Am I close?

Anyway, I really need to go now. It's past my Cinderella spell-breaking time already. ttys

P-edit: I answered the first part, which should also give you a solid idea of how my brain works. You should be able to follow up that line of thinking on your own. Further questions along the same line are to be considered posturing by me.

[AP]

The Worst Directly speaking to people through post 626
Mathdino: 28
Ruru: 12
Sunshine:9
Oxy: 8
Skitter30:7
Scioness Sajj: 6
Ofrhz:4
UglyDuck:3 <--low post number
Pinturicchio:2 <-had more than twice as many posts as uglyDuck as of 626
Draynth:1 <--low post number
Mohab500: <-- more posts, but all at once, and little content.

Looks like it's becoming a habbit of yours not to include me in your posts. Makes me want to double check my role PM lest we're scum together and I didn't notice.

Hmm.. nope.. I can assume I'm colour-blind and can't tell red from green, but the fact there are no names and no link to a PT still make me think I'm aligned with the Town.

Tea.. Oh .. Double You .. Enn. Yeah, that looks like TOWN to me, unless it's an abbreviation for This Odiously Wanking Nutter

[AP]

VOTE: UglyDuck

[AP]

oh hahahaha i think i might know who AP is

i won't out them if i figure it out for sure though

If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me --

Simply

Red

[AP]

Obv this isn't going to mean a ton if you are not willing to consider my pov, but I would give it a read.

Obv I'm not considering it bc I know my own alignment, so even if you are town I still can't see it from your pov.

[AP]

Also havent analysed but it feels like votes are flinging onto the ducks wayyyy too quickly whereas nobody has voted with me v Math despite the fact he just doesn't feel right.

No one else seeing this?

I see it, and it bothers me a lot. It maybe that we have 12 scums here and you're the only townie.

(That is of course to say that it's not even possible that you are pushing/voting someone the whole town reads as Town. No. That can't be the case.)

[AP]

hmmmmmmm

how do i make a readable catch up of 20 pages? post per page? spoilers? grouping by content?

Reading is for nerds. Just let us feel you.

[AP]

People I won't be shooting (if I was the vig, that is ) pinturicchio / Draynth / Oxy / Mathdino

Otherwise it really depends on the lynchee and their flip.

[AP]

It goes without saying that I also won't be lynching in these four, just to make it abundantly clear.

[AP]

okay fine
VOTE: Draynth
we have to lynch SOMEONE

i have way too many goddamn townreads honestly

We do, but it's not gonna be this one.

[AP]

it's sunshine's first game on that account

It's the first time I get to play too, baby. Everything before was just physical so doesn't count.

[AP]

OMG! This looks like a hideous VC. Just by the looks of it, I'm supporting neither of the 2 leasing wagons.

[AP]

Draynth wagon is such a compromise wagon.

Oxy wagon is 100% town imo. What's bugging you bout it mr powers?

People I won't be shooting (if I was the vig, that is ) pinturicchio /

Draynth

/

Oxy

/ Mathdino

Otherwise it really depends on the lynchee and their flip.

This was meant to convey that I'm town reading these 4, and you're asking me why it bothers me that you're wagoning 2 of them?? It is

clear

to me that these competing wagons are in act on 2 townies.

[AP]

Draynth wagon is such a compromise wagon

What do you mean by compromise wagon

@AP- could you explain the Draynth townread?

Nothing he said feels scum-driven or manipulative. I mean, you don't usually ask for town.case on someone. You ask for a scum.case, ad there's none IMHO.

[AP]

@AP, I’m guessing you’re not buying the “too dumb to be scum” argument?

??? On whom?

[AP]

@AP, I’m guessing you’re not buying the “too dumb to be scum” argument?

??? On whom?

If you mean UD, he's

not

dumb.

[AP]

AP - he does things but they are hard to parse. I enjoy his memeing but I do not follow his reads lmfaooo.

[AP]

my reads have changed.. a bit. here is the update:

Spoiler: the rest of it

Town

1) ruru. Huge change of mind on this I know. Whatever, hold it against me. content plus ideas about vig claim tactics (regardless of their usefulness) seem super Towny.

2) Math - at this point I just don't see why skum would put themselves out at much as much as they have been. At first it was whatever, talky-talky, but now it has been more directed. Personal Predisposition- I don't like when players reference other games, but outside of that.. just everything seems to be towny. Obv a flip will show more, but I don't see a point in even considering this today.

3) TW - Pretty much the same as Math. The bummer set up would be if it was TW!Math because we all would just lose. But still, don't see a point in considering this before a flip.

4) Oxy - I seriously do not get this one. They seem to be the ultimate town player to this point. They don't flood the thread, they are aggressively hunting... like simply the fact they have as many votes as they do make me question some of my reads. They could just be awesome skum, but anyone could D1. They could also be awesome town - as sure as I can be if they were to be lynched today, they will flip green. Tomorrow - whatever, we can re-evaluate i guess, but I just don't get it today.



Null:

1) Mohab/NSG - Mohab was so weird. That is like all I have. NSG seems to be a great gain, but I need more time to make up my mind here.

2) Scioness - Either lazy town or lazy skum. I feel like skum would interact more given how many drivers there are in the game, which is pretty much my only point bringing them up to null.

3) Skitter - The perfect middle. Makes me lean skummy, but null for today.

4) Pin - I am taking my own advice and avoiding making reads on players based on previous games. If I were to do that I would put them in the skum column bc all previous games they have been town and I have been town and they have pursued the relentless shit of me all the way through. However, outside of that I have nothing, so null and actually probably leaning town based on very recent oxy push which I believe to be Town targeting Town.

5) Mohab/NSG - I hate gauging subs. Mohab was way to weird, skum lean in all, but new player now so I will address as we continue.



Skum:

1) Draynth - While I feel Skum would normally be more apparent when so many drivers are present in the game, I can't get over the timing of their reactions. Everytime they come up in conversation they then come into the game. I suppose this is what lazy town would do as well, but just their overall demeanor feels off.

2) ofhrz - There is just skum here. pushed me super hard - like forever. Has literally found every avenue, even ones I haven't responded in, to find skum reads on me. The fact that (shame to point admitted), their skum pool equals exactly the people lurking thus far in the game is super skummy. And also, the vote me, unvote me, vote me again thing just feels skummy. If it was one, and then a stay, that would be one thing, but to jump off to jump back on when there is another wagon just feels like skum trying to make a TvT wagon scenario.

3) Sunshine - There whole bit with me felt off. The response felt off. Them pinging me on whatever the eff "laser theory" is was also weird. Still don't really get it, but it doesn't matter... D1 reads area D1 reads. You get them how you get them. To call them out in their fashion seems over aggressive from an otherwise non-aggressive player.



TLDR - Oxy is a horrible wagon. We should lynch ofhrz. If not, then Draynth or Sunshine.

Also, to be noted that the context in which Vig has been talked about in such certainty that it exists is suspicious. We have absolutely no idea that it is even a thing. We should probably limit out discussion around it

.

2 Mohab reads and I'm the only one missing. Damn it! Why do you all do your reviews when I'm busy digging wells?

[AP]

Neither of you are

stupid

sexy you're just

tackling

cracking this

game

nut very differently. Hug it out.

I fixed that for you. I also tweaked the post number a little, because I like my figures perfectly rounded.

[AP]

Vice

That's why you're my favourite duckling

[AP]

Vice

That's why you're my favourite duckling

Buy me a drink postgame

And here was I thinking a drink always comes be

fore play

[AP]

Pushing him until I start townreading him

Well, I know it feels like "Yeah, baby, push it, Ah, push it, push it good, Ah, push it, push it real good."

However, my advice is "Relax, don't do it, when you want to go to it, relax, don't do it, when you want to come. Relax don't do it, when you want to suck it, chew it, relax, don't do it, when you want to come."

[AP]

do i look like a dancing monkey

you know me from tit for tat

Monkey? Tit?? Boy, am I contagious.

[AP]

do i look like a dancing monkey

Dance dance dance

But not romance!

[AP]

The worst has been throwing

pot

shots at dino for a while now

This party is getting wilder by the minutes. YEAH, BABY YEAH!

[AP]

Can I adopt you?

Sure thing

[AP]

hence my utter boredom

Now that hurts

[AP]

People I won't be shooting (if I was the vig, that is ) pinturicchio / Draynth / Oxy / Mathdino

Otherwise it really depends on the lynchee and their flip.

Mr powers how do you feel about those nonvigs now out of interest?

Also AP iso looks damning in this context

Nothing has changed. I only added skitter, NSG and you to the "don't shoot tonight" pool, so my shoot pool is in Sunshine/Scioness/ofrhz/ruru/UglyDuck in no particular order.

[AP]

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK PROMISING THINGS AND NOT DELIVERING IS A SCUMTELL

#NOBAMBOOZLE

That depends on whether your promise is made before, during or after.

[AP]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ohm how I love naked voting!

[AP]

Brass already set it up, you do it

SNIP

Don't ask for PMs about this game. Talk about this game only in threads made by myself.

[AP]

Brass already set it up, you do it

SNIP

Don't ask for PMs about this game. Talk about this game only in threads made by myself.

[AP]

1- I wasn't referring to THIS game. I wanted to know how not to get an error in general
2- I didn't mean to PM me now. I assumed it goes without saying that it would be post-game

[AP]

Here's an example: The game f=23&t=74375 has long ended.

When I put f=23&t=74375 and set the postNumber on 0 (or anything else) I get:

Could not read vote counter settings. Helpful message: Value cannot be null. Parameter name: Could not find vote counter settings. Check spoiler tag name.

[AP]

that would be because you need to have properly formatted votecount settings with updated nightkills and daystarts

in the thread that you're trying to scan

Thank you.

[AP]

My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)

[AP]

GUESS WHAT TIME IT IS

[AP]

I'm fine, just had a slight argument with my fiancee. It'll be fine tomorrow.

My advice is for you to always have the last say. Whatever she says, your response should be "I agree!"

[AP]

VOTE: Draynth

FTR, I am reading Draynth as a TPR. You guys keep going about how scummy he is and I feel that the longer we wait the more likely Draynth will be lynched, so my vote here is to get him to claim and see if I'm correct.

Draynth @ L-1

[AP]

Gotta lynch someone, may as well be dead weight

I'll reiterate: I think Draynth is the kind of player that lurks it out as a PR to avoid being NK'd. Unfortunately for him this is the kind of town that suspects lurkers (against the MS meta of not lynching lurkers on D1)

[AP]

@Sunshine: We may still have problem here, which is town!Draynth (assuming you're correct) isn't playing the game, and thus is even more harmful to town than scum are! He's providing no content, and could potentially not even have a grasp on the situation come the point when his vote is the decider. I'm no against people playing relaxed, but I'm firmly against people not even checking in.

P.S. Look at me. I'm not exactly playing the game myself, but I'm around and I'm reading. I may or may not have come to conclusions that may help us later on. There may or may not be some clues I've dropped within my posts for me to refer to later on. In short, I'm doing the bare minimum, whereas Draynth seems not even meet that minimum.

[AP]

if you wanna stop Draynth wagon you vote scioness

VOTE: scioness

[AP]

@Sunshine:

We may still have problem here, which is town!Draynth (assuming you're correct) isn't playing the game, and thus is even more harmful to town than scum are!

Did you just make the point to lynch a Town!Lurker read over a Skum read?

If that's how you read it.

[AP]

@Ugly: I do see your point, and I'm not arguing against it. I guess didn't totally disregard the possibility Drayth could flip scum after all, so it inadvertently factored in my phrasing.

The way I see it is if Drayth is town he's not doing himself (or us) any favours, and especially so if he is indeed a PR, so I wanted to force a claim out of his slot.

Update: Draynth staying in the shadows until I removed my vote off him THEN coming on to say he won't claim is actually bothering me even more now.

VOTE: Draynth

And Mathdino already stated intent.

[AP]

I'm at L-2 so I'm not claiming

Oxy is scum, so is MD at this point

If that's all he's got to say after all that time, I don't think bad to rejoin that wagon at all.

[AP]

i'm feeling AP and sunshine and prob NSG tomorrow

if people could dive their ISOs that would be nice

KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF, MISTER!

[AP]

I could actually lynch AP

Just havent bothered thinking about why yet

What the DUCK?

[AP]

I'll dive him this evening.

Oh my love
You're so good
Treating me so cruel
There you go
with your fancy lies
Leavin' me lookin'
like a dumbstruck fool
with all your

Jive talkin'
You're telling me lies, yeah
Jive talkin'
You wear a disguise
Jive talkin'
so misunderstood, yeah
Jive talkin'
you just ain't no good

[AP]

WOW! Log at those milk jugs!

[AP]

*Look (I probably lost my composure there for a second)

[AP]

VOTE: N_M

Because, why not? Also.. Miss Grace Jones said it best:
I won't give in and I won't feel guilty
Rant and rave to manipulate me
From the nipple to the bottle
Never satisfied
From the nipple to the bottle

Now the cow must die

P-edit:
In that case, phuck Grace Jones.
UNVOTE:

[AP]

Such a passive-aggresaurus.

Seriously though, why AP.

Pedit: I know he didn’t take it seriously, I’m acknowledging that I deserve it :p

At this point, it's why not AP tbh.

Also you/AP could be a thing

No, baby. You and I can be a thing. Sunshine...

[AP]

(Well before reading, calling it now: scumteam is ofrhz, Sunshine and UglyDuck. This is for ego purposes at the end of the game)

These reads are very sheepable. I suddenly feel the need to become Welsh (or a Kiwi, in TW's case)

[AP]

I think I'm going to enjoy pissing you all off

[AP]

So you like to follow scum unto a mislynch?? Fine.

VOTE: AP

I too like to live dangerously

[AP]

@Dino: I don't know, and I don't care. But really, if I'm to be lynched here then you are my #1 suspect because I just know you're not that stupid.

[AP]

Like, you said you knew who I am. If you do then you 100% know this isn't my scum game by any means in any dimension of this universe.

[AP]

AP could you unvote please? Not Mafia is coming, I can feel it

OK..

UNVOTE:

It was to make a point, really. People follow scum pushes in a whim, but when a townie makes a legitimate push

the town

pushes back with all sorts of shitty reasons.

[AP]

??????????????

Sorry, ruru, but this wasn't directed at you. You don't know me anyway. We've never played together before (unless you too are an alt). Some of these players did, and Mathdino claims he recognized me.

[AP]

@Dino: OK, I just checked who was voting me, and I don't think skitter is scum at all. That's all I can say right now. Is TW scum? He could very well be. He's a cunning player and his posting doesn't swing either way regardless of his alignment.
Is ruru? I still have my suspicions of her, but everyone else seems to TR her, so I dunno.
Is Oxy? I had a TR on that slot, but this felt like a stab in the back. I mean, maybe I'm getting my my personal emotions mixed with scum hunting here still, but I just don't have the TR that I had on him before.

Let there be a flip and then maybe I can reevaluate on all my reads.

P-edit: Are you telling me that you

do not

know who I am?? I need to know right now, please.. do you, or do you not recognize who I am?

[AP]

Maybe I don't understand the depths of NM's antitown behavior having not seen it before? But I kinda feel like there are too many policyable players to policy NM when I'm townreading his slot in general

Let's start here. Why is N_M town? Why was Scioness town?

[AP]

I'm currently considering slipping into a different costume altogether. I'd just hate to burn this alt prematurely. It's fun to be playing without any expectations (read: burden of proficiency) attached to me.

@Oxy: Ok. Fair enough. Although, if I really did slip then I'd be surprised you -of all the players- are the one to notice, because I have played with half this player list before.

[AP]

Would like to have Math's final read on an AP read before EOD for obvious reasons

I'm town, you blob. I mean, if you're scum that's fine and I take back the "blob" bit. If you're town though and you really SR me then I', sorry to say I probably overestimated you. (and that would make me sad, tbh).

[AP]

to be fair i'm not BoP reading you

i just don't have a lot of lynch options right now

have you caught up in full?

That is

not

a definite answer. I'll ask again: do you or do you not know my main? yes or no. Simple.

[AP]

Edit: AP we really do not have a lot of options lol

maybe you don't, but I'm

not

an option to begin with, and never should have been. That is my problem with you.

[AP]

No. It's relevant that I know if you know who I am though.

[AP]

YES!

[AP]

VOTE: ofrhz

Vig if you don't follow Dino's plan I'm telling my parents I met an awful person on the internet!!

[AP]

however you basically confirming that you are who i think

Prey tell, how did I confirm my identity to you?

VOTE: ofrhz

[AP]

so what's your read on me?

Also this has got a bit more complicated. I mean you made it much more complicated than it should'v been. Now I don't know at which stage did you recognize me, nor do I know if you even got it right. *Thinking*

I guess I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you

do not

know me still, so then I hereby vindicate from all wrongdoing directed my way.

I should also note that you rely more on meta than on play, meaning you are more likely to lynch someone because they don't appear to play like you until you got used to them playing not like you, if that makes sense.

[AP]

Votecount 1.1

ofrhz(6)

~ Not_Mafia(88), pinturicchio(134), Mathdino(295), Oxy(275), ruru(219), AP(125)

UglyDuck(1)

~ northsidegal(111)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ the worst(437)

Draynth(1)

~ UglyDuck(63)

AP(1)

~ skitter30(110)


Not Voting (3): Draynth(52), Sunshine13(71), ofrhz(148)

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[AP]

hey AP didn't you have to look at the opening post in order to come up with that vote count

Actually I didn't. I have Mathblade's counter in the auto-complete utility of FF, so I just type Math and click on the link! I did when you said so now though.

So, you're a mod confirmed IC. Cute.

[AP]

Here's a quick tribute for the fallen hero

One duck down and two more to go
He was just vanilla
We still don't like the status quo
But we have to trust Godzilla

Ahem. I;m not interested in the mind games, Math. Why he was shot over anyone is none of my concerns. It was

good

for us to have a VT shot over the PRs and that's all that matters. It certainly wasn't "the worst" thing that could have happened to us.

Now, I'm inclined to actually vote N_M as well, but I first want to analyze the PRs issue.

1- Why do we automatically assume there's no Vig? Why not consider a Vig that holstered or even -maybe- shot the worst? (The latter is far less likely, but a possibility still)
2- Assuming there's no Vig, then we probably have a Tracker in their stead. That should turn out more handy later on.
3- I personally wouldn't expect scum to have picked a JK. That's one powerful town roe of you ask me. But then not everybody thinks the same and scum may have thought a tracker returns guilties while a JK blocking a kill doesn't know if they protected the target or blocked the shooter.

I think the Cop should claim (assuming they did check someone already). They become another IC and their check (assuming it to be a clear) becomes a third. That should narrow down our lynch pool.

A counter point that could be raised though is the Cop outing give scum one less target to worry about being the 3rd (more powerful) PR, but then they [/u]have to[/u] shoot the confirmed townies anyway, so I still say claim if you have a result.

[AP]

There is the potential that the vig killed tw, while scum decided to sit back and amuse themselves doing whatever scum do when they're not murdering people in the night. But that would be all kinds of silly.

Exactly. If scum did pick tracker + vig then they can sit back, let the vig get caught by the tracker, and shoot them both. If the tracker doesn't get the vig, tough luck, but they have been safe from being caught on the opening 2 nights anyway.

[AP]

If there’s a jk, it would probably mean there were no scum on math’s wagon as to avoid him outing himself.

I'm sorry, but how would they know who is IC anyway? Why won't they want to push Math in hopes he was the JK and had to claim?

[AP]

Ahaha that would assume scum knew math was ic prior to him outing never mind.

NVM. I spoke too fast.

[AP]

OK. so here's what I think:

- If there's a Cop who

had already used up his shot

, please claim
- If there's a Vig who

had already used up one shot

, please claim

Nobody else should claim yet, and neither of the two should claim in they have not acted last night.

[AP]

VOTE: Draynth

Let's do this, people.

[AP]

i feel like AP would also do that as scum?

Not take the Vig? Are you kidding??

[AP]

because i'm in the game

I really don't care. I would have picked IC+Vig+Cop still. All I (and my team) have to do is not be in the bottom 3 suspects by the end of the day, and maybe even have an influence on you to direct the Vig.

But anyway, that's still self-meta which is totally useless in situations like these. WIFOM is a thing, so I'll accept the argument on principle but will insist it's not the case.

[AP]

Also, Scum.me doesn't let Town.Dino live past N1, and especially not when you're the IC (so anything you say will at least be guaranteed to be town-motivated, and I can't fight you over it).

[AP]

AP, are you personally hardclaiming no cop or vig shot?

Erm, I did NOT ask for everyone to out they are NOT a Cop/Vig, btw. If I am either I did not act last night.

[AP]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

Let me think.. yeah .. this makes sense. It's certainly faster to post the above than -say- "I'm a <rolename>. Will post after work". After all, it's damn too hard to think of a good fake claim and one needs time to consider all options.

[AP]

Interesting how y'all pronounce m'name

[AP]

I'm lynching him with or without a claim now. I don't care if he claims to be brassherald even!

[AP]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

Okay, yeah. Draynth could claim Oxy's Mom and I'd still push for a lynch at this point.

Holding up the game is bad form.

How much would you demand for giving me the exclusive rights to run an account named "Oxy's Mom"?

[AP]

Unconditional love, and all of your earthly possessions at the time of your death.

Sound good?

Deal! I mean, considering I'm actually an extra-terrestrial who came to this planet for a quick visit (200 years), I would say that's a bargain indeed.

[AP]

"AP.. what possessions would he get in this case?"

[AP]

Oh I know where this is headed

I like the fact that you though this ahead.

[AP]

yeah like geriatric white flag amirite

?? Would that be AG or CoA?

[AP]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

54 hours and Draynth is still at work and never got home to catch up and post. Please give him a couple more decades and he'll be back.

[AP]

like, maybe lynching NM and saying that draynth has to jailkeep skitter is the way to go.

That would guarantee the NK to hot Mathdino, so not my ideal choice.

Maybe JK DINO though. If Scum kill the JK Skitter is toast. If they kill Skitter Draynth is toast. If they kill Pin you are mod-confirmed. Skitter tracks Draynth though would create the perfect loop.

VOTE: N_M

[AP]

Let me repeat:

Draynth protects Dino
Skitter tracks Draynth
Scum can't shoot any of the PR claims so they are forced to shoot elsewhere

[AP]

This probably kills pintu and NSG, granted.

I'd say NSG over pintu everytime. Shooting Pintu = NSG is confirmed a townie, while shooting NSG =/= Pintu confirmed Cop.

[AP]

VOTE: Draynth

Thus us the mechanically correct lynch. Even if we are wrong then pintu becomes conf!scum and we can reevaluate our reads based on it.
If we're right though we have a second IC, so whichever of Dino/pintu dies tonight we have another one whom we

know

is town.

[AP]

VOTE: UD

ruru is my next suspect, and precisely bc of her 2626. It feels like she's lining up lynches (if UD flips town somehow).

In what world do I make 2605 as scum with Draynth when the VC was:

UD (2): ruru, Oxy
Pintu (1): Draynth
Draynth (1): Mathdino

Both ruru and Oxy are very scummy (the latter for his response in 2627) but there's only 1 scum left, so one of the two is a beard if not both.

[AP]

So, how many ducks does it take to screw in a lightbulb??

[AP]

Omg can I know your secret identity?!?

Not yet, I'm enjoying phucking with your li'l brain, actually.

[AP]

In fact, I'm still interested in Mathdino's guess of my true identity. If he would kindly PM me whom he thinks I am I'd be much obliged.

[AP]

OK.. so both TW and skitter have guessed it right (I'm surprised skitter did tbh).

I'm Almost50

[AP]

my lynch is a bad idea. Period.

I thought I'd blown my cover with this one, tbh!

[AP]

I laughed a lot with your posts

That was the main purpose of the gimmick, and I'm glad you loved it.

[AP]

omg I just realised

you replaced into gunner mafia on d2 and got A50'd as a spitekill at endgame. LOL.

LOL.. what have I told you? I don't even know what to do to stop getting shot at by town and scum alike. Remember that game when I was NOT the target of either, yet ended up shot by BOTH sides as the BG? Did you see my game in the competition? I hard claimed VT on D1, yet I still was the N1 kill!

[AP]

OK.. I joined 725 as well. I'm not sure if I should also signup for purgatory

[AP]

@AP you can't be night killed in purgatory

*Sigh* You win. I'm in.

i'm in purgatory in a hydra with RC

OH, SHOOT! RC's gonna send me to hell just bc he can!