Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mastina

[Wisdom]

It would be boring without her around,

Yeah thats totally a factor for deciding who to lynch

/sarcasm

[Wisdom]

Is this person normally this scummy

Sadly, yeah. This isnt even scummy for her standards.

[Wisdom]

I think its more likely hes town than scum

[Wisdom]

LLD youre chasing a tinfoil here
Occam says that he just got that role as town and deemed it wise to inform us about what happens if we lynch him

[Wisdom]

Eh, the standard. Scum have a better chance at guessing PRs if they know the flavor

[Wisdom]

We could also pick separate hydra heads so its possible both you and Ali exist as roles

[Wisdom]

oh boi do I love set up spec that has 0 point at all and takes away from mafia games
ha ha x D

Your posts have been exceptionally useful so far

/sarcasm

[Wisdom]

Why do you have my avatar

[Wisdom]

Can we not
This will just confuse people

[Wisdom]

theyre prolly both town

[Wisdom]

Just my gut on the latter but I agree with the former as well due to their interactions

[Wisdom]

what
Why other naked votes are town and mine is scum

[Wisdom]

Mastina's role is very similar to mine

[Wisdom]

mastina who should I vote

[Wisdom]

Also I am a town godfather.

Do we win by lynching you

[Wisdom]

Why do you want votes on sudo

[Wisdom]

not helping
Are you scumreading him or is this something else

[Wisdom]

It does work

[Wisdom]

What post did you townread me off Ali?

[Wisdom]

Why would i want to vote a townread

though Ali is making me considering not townreading them anymore

[Wisdom]

like i posted nothing nai on page 2 and this feels like a pocket

[Wisdom]

ai*

[Wisdom]

What is the downside to revealing who youre scumreading before you make a case

[Wisdom]

Honestly
The most wolfy person is the one that is pushing EDDIE CANE for their claim
So can we lynch that please, because its a really scummy push
Ty <3

She stopped pushing him

[Wisdom]

LLD while you did stop pushing eddie, you havent really done anything else

Who would you vote now if you could use your vote?

[Wisdom]

I dont know
LLD is the sort of player who would fake a tinfoil there I guess
Like, I doubt she expected to get Eddie lynched but she probably thought it would be a good thing for town points?
And I agree she backed off a little too easily

[Wisdom]

But I mean, its risky to let possible scum live for so long
And you have no guarantee town will listen to you and lynch them the day before lylo like you want
So someone strongly thinking that claim is scum probably doesnt back down so quickly

[Wisdom]

The thing is, when youre pushing your read, you dont think of all that
I insist on this because i often push unpopular reads and its rare ill back down even if people come up with the most logical arguments
So you getting convinced and backing down there feels unnatural

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mastina

Why? Do you not believe her claim or think it comes from scum?

[Wisdom]

no

[Wisdom]

mastina I want to vote someone not you
Who should it be?

[Wisdom]

but youre still not talking to me

[Wisdom]

I very much doubt youre making that claim as scum, even if its similar to mine

And yes, there was duck tales, which I think was the only game we were both town, in which we worked well and Id like to see that again

[Wisdom]

Youre even better than me in calling scumteams d1

[Wisdom]

But why does mastina claim that as scum instead of using it on a buddy

[Wisdom]

I also think scum-mastina probably buddies me instead of going after me

[Wisdom]

Anyone that is ignoring this point is missing the jackpot. Mastina/Wisdom interactions are so shoddy I'm 95% sure these two are scum.

What point
Why do i even soft cc as her buddy if i dont plan to do anything with it
Why does mastina point it out

[Wisdom]

I'm not voting a newbie because they could OMGUS

What?

[Wisdom]

Mastina has claimed her flavor

[Wisdom]

Ali i dont want to lynch LLD

who else is scum

[Wisdom]

but I CAN say that I did in fact receive YOUR HYDRA as my role PM

[Wisdom]

Not very interested in voting maria either

[Wisdom]

Guys who aren't Alisae can you please look into my mini-case on mastina and give me your thoughts. Many thanks.

It sucks

[Wisdom]

These wagons all suck

VOTE: redflavor

[Wisdom]

These wagons all suck

VOTE: redflavor

wis you're voting low hanging fruit

Those can also be scum
also i don't know who else to vote

[Wisdom]

Whether you like it or not I consider you strong town and would like to be able to sheep you

@mastina

[Wisdom]

Cheeky pls

[Wisdom]

Isnt she always

[Wisdom]

Red explain your votes

[Wisdom]

Wisdom how do you feel about Cheeky and monomom

Cheeky town
If that means momrangal null

[Wisdom]

now shes misreading me as well tho

[Wisdom]

Fine I'm fucking counterclaiming Mastina and Wisdom. I am beeboy. I have inventions. Now shut up and lynch Mastina.

Srsly now
And you cant fathom the possibility the roles coexist?

[Wisdom]

cheeky stop being bad

[Wisdom]

This also caught my attention: Why would you say "LOL you think Mastina is town" to a player that had n0 on them? Sudo knows for a fact that Mastina is town (since they have n0) and there is no point in asking this unless you think n0 on GF is possible

Cheeky obviously didnt believe the inno and even stated so

[Wisdom]

cheeky stop being bad

Says dude who didn't push a soft on mastina.

Because unlike you i dont instantly go "oh we have similar roles, she must be lying"
Stop being so shallow, youre even doubting an inno based solely on your false belief that your roles cant coexist

[Wisdom]

Id trust that more if the rest of your reads werent scumreading me and a conftown

@cheeky re: red

[Wisdom]

cheeky stop being bad

Says dude who didn't push a soft on mastina.

Because unlike you i dont instantly go "oh we have similar roles, she must be lying"
Stop being so shallow, youre even doubting an inno based solely on your false belief that your roles cant coexist

HER ROLE IS UTTER BS AND YOU LET IT SLIDE.

how is it utter bs when youre claiming you have a similar one

[Wisdom]

you're right about there being a wolf in LLD/Wis though!

where did that come from

[Wisdom]

Wisdom had absolutely zero reason to be townreading me as strongly as he was and yet he seemed to know I was conftown just as strongly as Sudowoodo did in spite of him as far as I know NOT having access to the source of information Sudowoodo has.

I nowhere stated i was townreading you though

[Wisdom]

how is it utter bs when youre claiming you have a similar one

You're smarter than this.

So are you, probably? I dont know you but youre being dumb and shallow here

[Wisdom]

Yep, also have one

[Wisdom]

VOTE: maria

[Wisdom]

109 is questioning you and 117 is soft ccing you
138 is trying to get you to talk to me because you were ignoring me for some weird reason
After those i rethought about the claim and figured you werent making it as scum, thus actually townreading you

[Wisdom]

What i remember from duck tales is that we worked together and lynched scum

[Wisdom]

I cant read maria for shit but i trust both your ability to read her and mastina's insticts

[Wisdom]

I cant read maria for shit but i trust both your ability to read her and mastina's insticts

Don't trust scum~

Yeah ill totally buy the tinfoil theory of ali-scum conftowning mastina-scum
Its stack the deck again

[Wisdom]

sure

[Wisdom]

oh. If it meant you then town

[Wisdom]

mastina do you see maria-ali interactions as possible theatre?

[Wisdom]

You should see it as a sign of respect for your scumplay Ali

[Wisdom]

okay. Who do you lynch on a maria scumflip (other than me)?

@mastina

[Wisdom]

im trying to get mastina's thoughts about what scumteams make sense

[Wisdom]

Maria is town.

where did you decide that, cheeky?

[Wisdom]

There is a Wolf in LLD and Wis.
LLD starts the game out pushing EDDIE CANE for their claim. This is a type of push I don't expect LLD to make on a wolfbuddy. So if LLD is a wolf, EDDIE CANE is probably town.
Basically all they are really pushing is the claim, and they are talked out of it by Wis.
However I think the nature of the push was agenda based and the way backed out seemed really unnatural like they knew all of the answers so they could afford to do that. Like that whole way she backed out kind of just looked really unnatural to me.
This is why I think LLD is a wolf over Wis.
Wis and LLD's interactions could potentially be seen as TvS or SvT mostly because I feel like Wis is being extremely tame with how he's sorting LLD. Like this kind of tameness kind of actually makes me feel extremely awkward. This is probably just Wis paranoia, but either way I think LLD is a wolf because of their Eddie Cane push.

This doesnt explain why we cant be TvT, which is most likely the case

[Wisdom]

Very disappointing catch up scum Kokichi.

Oh no... My scumread who was just asking me questions and listening to my logic about lie detectors just called me scum after I called him scum... How tragic........

How tragic that this catch up style is so far removed from your town meta. I can't wait til Maria gets here.

This is what i also felt
Kokichi posting like this felt different than usual

[Wisdom]

I'm already voting Wisdom and that vote isn't gonna change anytime soon, considering both me and my partner(s) scumread him heavily.

Id gladly policy lynch this tbh
Why do I keep playing with yume

[Wisdom]

Lovebird looks townish @LLD

[Wisdom]

You misread
She makes someone immune to watching and tracking, shes not herself

[Wisdom]

Cheeky do you still think maria is town and why

[Wisdom]

Town: {mastina, Eddie, Cheeky}
Nulltown: {Sudowoodo, Lovebird, LLD, RedFlavor, NicoRobin}
Null: {beeboy, Momrangal}
Nullscum: {Kokichi, Maria}

[Wisdom]

beeboy read 559

[Wisdom]

I want to townread Sudowoodo more but everytime Ali is scum I townread em

And this LLD/Wis conjecture was weird

[Wisdom]

Like, I get the LLD scumread
But Ali claims theyre townreading me
Why assume I am scum if LLD isn't instead of considering we're just both town

[Wisdom]

I saw you struggled to read Maria too so you're sheeping others; is there anything you can pinpoint about her behaviour that you scum read?

There are similarities with a recent game she was scum in
But I'm not overly confident as Maria is scummy as town too

[Wisdom]

So you believe Ali and Maria to be TvS?

Not necessarily? I guess it could be TvT as well

[Wisdom]

mastina do you see maria-ali interactions as possible theatre?

Looks like you're not the only one to have thought that Beeboy.

Actually I was thinking its likely not theatre and given mastina was scumreading both maria and sudowoodo I wanted to see if she thought otherwise

[Wisdom]

Nico do you know that mastina is voting Maria?

[Wisdom]

She always scumreads me because she dislikes me

[Wisdom]

Given im town, no you don't

[Wisdom]

Does Sudo know what you have? Because they don't seem to be scumreading me

[Wisdom]

Ali you think nico scumreading me over that information is warranted?

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

Nico it was just RVS
mastina hadnt even posted
how can I possibly have scum motivation for that vote

[Wisdom]

Why would I remove it
Your argument was "She is fun to have around" and "She is good as town"
Well, guess what; The former isn't a reason not to lynch someone and the latter is irrelevant because she is also good as scum

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you know what I find funny though

2/3 of momrangal's posts are also this, voting me for RVSing mastina

Eggooo.

Call me back when the game gets under way.

Pedit:

VOTE: wisdom

Yawn.

Sorry for making you waste your vote LLD.

I have a weird kinship to Mastina this game and I don't like her being voted before even posting

[Wisdom]

And coupled with mastina being conftown to Sudo I wonder if Mom and/or Nico also knew something about it

[Wisdom]

What crumb

[Wisdom]

I dont get it

[Wisdom]

I still dont see how that's a crumb

Also I certainly don't say such things

[Wisdom]

/done talking to Nico

Does anyone know why Momrangal also votes me for voting mastina

[Wisdom]

Pedit: because I'm her~

you are mastina?

[Wisdom]

I'm also mastina
Apparently there are repeats

[Wisdom]

Mara talk to us about the game

[Wisdom]

I didnt shoot you in any game

[Wisdom]

You remember wrong. I shot scum there.

[Wisdom]

/facepalm

I shot Dierfire there

Look at the mod PT if you dont believe me

[Wisdom]

Explain Kokichi and Lovebird

[Wisdom]

I also feel that's too high for Nico

[Wisdom]

Nico we have talked about that game a thousand times and you don't want to listen
Put it to rest already

[Wisdom]

Also, Wisdom, stay away from any games I play/mod in the future.

That goes for you too, I don't want to play with you yet you keep joining games I am in

[Wisdom]

kay that's more or less what I thought

[Wisdom]

What about Red, Mara?

[Wisdom]

I feel like both Red and Lovebird have some townish posts but I also townread them less than others so meh you could be right

[Wisdom]

why the unvote

[Wisdom]

beeboy pls

[Wisdom]

Same here

[Wisdom]

yeah

[Wisdom]

I read you correctly in the clown game

[Wisdom]

I dont follow the mason business

[Wisdom]

thats what i thought

[Wisdom]

still read you correctly
And I usually read you correctly
I think I only read you wrong the first time we played

[Wisdom]

what

[Wisdom]

How do you even know someone has you
There is a Sudowoodo role on top of an Alisae role, and there are two mastina roles
Meaning not everyone is represented as a role

[Wisdom]

In the clown game who were you?

I replaced Cedrick D3

[Wisdom]

I’m retracting my n0 on mastina

what the fuck even
Mastina said she knows you have an inno on her

[Wisdom]

I doubt anyone is masons with anyone

[Wisdom]

i mean it's fucking yume
why did you take it seriously

[Wisdom]

okay how does that change your Maria vote Ali

[Wisdom]

kokichi is scum as is maria is what's going on

[Wisdom]

She made a post she would never make as scum

which?

[Wisdom]

eh dont see why not

[Wisdom]

there isnt one

[Wisdom]

nico working with scum as usual

[Wisdom]

dont go after tinfoil pls
though it is strange that mastina was claiming she knew about you having a supposed inno

[Wisdom]

pine its yume, she doesnt ever do town things

[Wisdom]

yeah if you know Yume you can tell this is town her

[Wisdom]

sadly site is full with people playing town like scum

[Wisdom]

why am i scum kokichi?

[Wisdom]

so basically bullcrap

[Wisdom]

When you scumread me you tunnel me.

Other than Danganronpa where did that happen?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mastina

[Wisdom]

I keep thinking about mastina claiming she knew about the supposed n0 and it doesnt feel right

[Wisdom]

i wanted to vote Kokichi but voting mastina and nico at this point is pretty dumb

because of what? There are no fucking masons and whoever takes yume seriously is laughable

[Wisdom]

zzz

[Wisdom]

vote mastina until Eddie realises hes the one shitclaiming

[Wisdom]

Maria is ali scum here

[Wisdom]

?
I asked you if ali is scum here

[Wisdom]

then its mastina and kokichi?

[Wisdom]

I get triggered when people say "1 scum is in x and y" out of nowhere

[Wisdom]

like, its baseless everytime and sounds manipulative
Like theres no way x and y can be both town

[Wisdom]

VOTE: kokichi

[Wisdom]

Maria does Koki look like he's in his town meta?

could be I tr him but not hard enough to defend him.

No way I defend you with 6 votes on you that way if I'm scum. I wouldn't have brought up that post in particular. I would have just been like. "Maria is probably a bad vote, vote blah blah"

You only did when I asked you for it specifically

[Wisdom]

disagree

[Wisdom]

Like I said I find her claiming she knew about the supposed n0 inno unsettling

Like she believed it and worked it into her claim

[Wisdom]

Ok unrelated question but if you have a public cop (keep in mind its public)
do you target null reads or people you think are scum?

I think null reads cause you want both green/red results to help you.
But I had a lot of people disagree with me on this.

Null reads

[Wisdom]

Wisdom this game is altogether timid. He is not being forceful. He is not being a strong pusher. He's being passive. Know his title, "Of the One"? Where he more or less trusts his own instincts? He's not even following that; he's tried outsourcing. Shitty explanation, but you get what I mean. He's being lazy, lax. Just. Everything he's not when he's town.

Except im like that as scum too

[Wisdom]

Mastina said she knows you have an inno on her

And I can confirm they do.

Of one specific type.

I never specified it was a cop inno.

Except they explained they don't

[Wisdom]

VOTE: mastina

Maria is right. This is standard manipulative scum mastina

[Wisdom]

like theres no fucking way mastina argues a fucking rvs vote is somehow scum motivated

[Wisdom]

VOTE: kokichi

whatever

this is absolutely scum mastina though

[Wisdom]

theyre not masons ffs

stop acting like you dont know yume

[Wisdom]

But she is right, we're not masons. I sent that message to them to test them.

she even admitted they're not masons

[Wisdom]

nico = yume = jeanne11

you cant have missed her

[Wisdom]

nico if scum-mastina ends up winning the game due to your bullshit will you admit how bad you are?

[Wisdom]

sudowoodo mastina is still claiming you have an inno on them
can you fucking explain what's what before I go crazy

[Wisdom]

Jeanne sounded familiar. I played one game with her but she remains largely unmemorable

she's a player everyone WOTCs due to her being largely useless and ruining games

[Wisdom]

okay and why is she still saying she knows you have an inno on her

pedit @Pine

[Wisdom]

though it is strange that mastina was claiming she knew about you having a supposed inno

Because I did know and it is an inno.

I didn't specify anything further, nor do I intend to.

Like she believed it and worked it into her claim

Sorry, but no.

I knew the exact nature of the innocent on me and I am still conftown.

The proof is in my posts.

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And she can't mean the message Nico sent, because then she wouldnt say "I wont specify further", the info is already in the thread and she could refer to it. Plus a message is not actually an inno and mastina is saying it's an inno.

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Mara I dont think Lovebird or Maria are flipping scum here
Red could but even that is not something I'd count on
Besides I don't think you believe it would be that easy

mastina/Kokichi/LLD is my current belief

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Also I dont understand why mastina is so tunneled on me so much since the beginning
To the point she goes and argues my RVS vote had an agenda or that you were justified for voting me based on it
I understand my style or my approach to her weirding her out but it doesnt warrant the way shes been treating me

[Wisdom]

I did? Read what I quoted and tell me why town-mastina is saying that

[Wisdom]

I dont see you really caring about it though

Am I the only one who sees a scum agenda in it?

[Wisdom]

You aren't wrong and likely only one in my pool is actually scum but im not gonna budge on mastina at this current point in time. I could revisit koki but I played a few games with him and already I get the feeling that this isn't much different than his usual. So far he's been town in every finished game and I still don't know how I feel about your case on him

I havent seen scum Kokichi either but he did feel somewhat different here

[Wisdom]

no that was to Pine

[Wisdom]

like what Im seeing here is

Sudowoodo: We have a N0 inno on mastina
mastina: Yeah, Sudowoodo have an inno on me and I am aware of it
Sudowoodo: Actually, we were lying, we don't have an inno
mastina: They do have an inno. I am still conftown.

The only way I can explain this is scum-mastina believing Sudo somehow got a (false) inno on them and playing off it

[Wisdom]

What is your explanation?

[Wisdom]

But she claimed it's known to her that Sudo has the inno
And she continues claiming it even after Sudo said they dont actually have it

[Wisdom]

The fact she's insisting?

How is it not bothering you?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Momrangel

this is wolf one hundred percent of the time. i’ll message Eddie about it, but i’m confident in this read. my track record d1 as villa is prett good, so just go ahead and sheep me instead of being ridiculous.

ew
mara is town

[Wisdom]

kts just let eddie play if youre going to be useless

[Wisdom]

yay more game ruiners

[Wisdom]

okay convince me mara is scum then

[Wisdom]

The fact she's insisting?

How is it not bothering you?

@pine

[Wisdom]

you missed kokichi

[Wisdom]

Maria how do you feel about a mastina/Kokichi/LLD solve

Is there anyone other than those who you think could be scum instead

[Wisdom]

she feels like town-mara, havent seen anything to make me worry

[Wisdom]

Why does it not make sense from a scum-mastina perspective?

[Wisdom]

Or she's just town?

[Wisdom]

Kokichi's town.

You know scum threaten to replace out. You even do it. Don't fall for it.

[Wisdom]

the selfvote was better

VOTE: mastina

[Wisdom]

And I doubt scum-Kokichi uses both the replace threat and the self-vote in quick succession

[Wisdom]

bah

who am I wrong on then

[Wisdom]

Kokichi why do you scumread Cheeky

[Wisdom]

Mara should I start worrying about you

[Wisdom]

maybe mastina/LLD/Red

[Wisdom]

If Mastina and Nico are neighbors would Nico really be so naive to send that masonry message to alpine?

Absolutely.

[Wisdom]

after mastina does a thing, we should just hammer someone. probably Maria, wisdom, or kokichi. this is the point where extending the day isnt gonna help anything. we have enough interactions to sort.

those lynches are all town though

[Wisdom]

Vote Wis
On a wolf flip Lynch redflavor

I can see why you'd think this but I'm just town who has an unreliable gut town there