Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[NicoRobin]

Hi Alisae. I picked you as my role, yeah.

[NicoRobin]

@Alisae hydra Are you town? Cos if you are, my role is super awesome. Please don't be scum.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

Uh to say this is an early townread would be an understatement. Reasons?

Reasons are something you people are not entitled to knowing. Only Sudowoodo is.

[NicoRobin]

How many votes still left on me?

Cos depending on your view, you just ruined my whole plan. :/

[NicoRobin]

Well, I am going off for the night, and I'll be very sad if I am lynched while I am asleep. Hopefully, that won't happen.

[NicoRobin]

I apologize. You weren't asking what I thought you were, so the amended answer is because there are more town than scum, so AliPine hydra has a higher chance to be town than scum, and that's as good a reason as any for me to townread them this early.

[NicoRobin]

@That person Did you receive my message? You know who you are.

[NicoRobin]

mastina, what're your thoughts on Nico? I'm not sure how I feel yet, and frankly yours is the read I'd trust the most.

I don't see any scum motivation whatsoever to Momomen claiming that role. If I'd been issued it, I'd have shut up and essentially flipped Town off from the grave.

So it's either a fakeclaim or Town truth.

LLD's plan to treat it as a Miller claim works for me.

Pine

Did you receive my message? Yes or no?

[NicoRobin]

k, thanks.

@Momo Unfortunately, my message was a 1-shot.

[NicoRobin]

@Sudowoodo k, I won't.

[NicoRobin]

Nico, I'd actually prefer if you didn't answer any more questions for a little while.

Trust me here.

What are you thinking of doing, though?

[NicoRobin]

Well, Nebby hydra told me to shut up, so shut up I will.

[NicoRobin]

Nico and Sudowoodo arent partners

Why aren't we?

[NicoRobin]

Well, I have him as my scumread too, so......

VOTE: Wisdom

[NicoRobin]

I'll be turning in for the night. Do your stuff, partner(s)

[NicoRobin]

I am aligned with the town.

[NicoRobin]

and hi everyone.

[NicoRobin]

Yume vote MariaR please ty

I would, but my partner(s) don't trust your motivations.

[NicoRobin]

Yume vote MariaR please ty

I would, but my partner(s) don't trust your motivations.

oh my n0 inno aka mastina?
Yeah they're voting MariaR you should sheep them

Exactly.

[NicoRobin]

plus mastina can't even read me Yume you know this everytime she pushes me I'm pratically mod confirmed town
You want to know what mastina CAN reliably do?
Misread me when I'm town.
Do you want me to dig through all of the times mastina misread me? Because I can do that just to prove a point.

Hey Yume are you going to read this post and sheep me or what

I'd do that if my partner(s) tell me to.

[NicoRobin]

If she is really your n0 inno then you should trust her.

[NicoRobin]

Well, there was a game where she nailed all the scum, yet people refused to listen and it ended up in a big fat loss for my faction.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256

So I am not gonna let people go there and say she can't read people, because she damn well can.

[NicoRobin]

Well, there was a game where she nailed all the scum, yet people refused to listen and it ended up in a big fat loss for my faction.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256

So I am not gonna let people go there and say she can't read people, because she damn well can.

YUME YOU ARE STUCK IN THE FUCKING PAST ITS WHY I DON'T ENJOY PLAYING WITH YOU

Well, I thought we are bffs Nebby. What changed?

[NicoRobin]

Well, there was a game where she nailed all the scum, yet people refused to listen and it ended up in a big fat loss for my faction.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=68256

So I am not gonna let people go there and say she can't read people, because she damn well can.

YUME YOU ARE STUCK IN THE FUCKING PAST ITS WHY I DON'T ENJOY PLAYING WITH YOU

Well, I thought we are bffs Nebby. What changed?

a lot...

Such as?

[NicoRobin]

I'm already voting Wisdom and that vote isn't gonna change anytime soon, considering both me and my partner(s) scumread him heavily.

[NicoRobin]

Yume you don't care about my posting or anyone's posting anymore tbh.
Like its part of the reason why I don't like playing with you.
You don't work with people you're just an obsticle getting in town's way like right now.
Like idc about your partner's reads.

You should vote with me over mastina because ywall are voting what is probably town.

pedit: OH GET OVER IT THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE INVENTIONS IN A GAME, TRUST ME I AM A GOOD MOD ITS DEFINITELY IN KEELY'S RANGE NOW PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING CLAIMS.

Well, if Kokichi's action succeeds, then I'll sheep you, but not before that.

[NicoRobin]

Also, if someone could give me another shot of that message ability so I can set Cheeky straight, that would be nice. *hint hint*

[NicoRobin]

You guys are free to set me straight in a civil manner in thread. Yelling at me instead of talking to me and sorting shit out is what makes town dysfunctional so pull your head in.

I'd rather if my reasoning stays somewhere private, cos scum would love to get their hands on what I know.

[NicoRobin]

Also, about me getting in town's way.....

Nope
Double nope

[NicoRobin]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that despite me saying multiple times I don't trust people unless proven (because I trusted scum twice and allowed them to manipulate me), you still ask me to trust you because hurr-durr. How do I know you're not scum buddying/trying to manipulate me? Tell me that.

@Nebby

[NicoRobin]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that despite me saying multiple times I don't trust people unless proven (because I trusted scum twice and allowed them to manipulate me), you still ask me to trust you because hurr-durr. How do I know you're not scum buddying/trying to manipulate me? Tell me that.

@Nebby

mastina pushed me
therefore I am an IC

That's not enough and you know it.

[NicoRobin]

In all seriousness Yume I've obvtowned myself by now but if you actually tried to READ me you would see that.

You also know I am not good at reads on D1 and D2......

[NicoRobin]

Which is why I am sheeping my partner(s)

You know this. You even used this to try to save me when we were scumpartners. Yet suddenly you don't know again.

[NicoRobin]

In all seriousness Yume I've obvtowned myself by now but if you actually tried to READ me you would see that.

You also know I am not good at reads on D1 and D2......

Okay then you can sheep me because unlike mastina, I lynch wolves

Maybe I'd trust you more if you become my partner(s), so ask me again after Kokichi reveals his result.

[NicoRobin]

Nico do you know that mastina is voting Maria?

Yes, bu she also said she wishes she voted you as well, so I'll be her proxy and keep my vote on you.

[NicoRobin]

Because I know stuff, let's leave it at that.

[NicoRobin]

Not this time, pal. This time, I have a legit reason.

[NicoRobin]

Because I know stuff, let's leave it at that.

It'll be hard to get a lynch through without an explanation but ok...

That's why I am asking for another gift of something that would enable me to tell you in private.....

[NicoRobin]

Oh, yeah, let's be on it.

@CheekyTeeky Give me an ability that enables me to talk to you in private. I'll tell you what I have, then you can judge whether what I have is legit or not.

p-edit: YES

[NicoRobin]

Does Sudo know what you have? Because they don't seem to be scumreading me

Yes, I used my 1-shot to tell them. It differs from person to person, but what I have is enough for me to scumred you, at least until I get better footing.

Seems you know everything about this game Yume. It's weirding me out that this is the most I've ever seen you post, more than 2 games with you combined, but then you were lurking so. Is there any reason you're more animated in some games over others?

When I have good partner(s), I tend to be more involved.

[NicoRobin]

mkay Cheeky expect Mail.

I meant something that could enable me to tell him directly, though the mod, because I don't trust you that you won't twist the truth.

[NicoRobin]

Seems you know everything about this game Yume. It's weirding me out that this is the most I've ever seen you post, more than 2 games with you combined, but then you were lurking so. Is there any reason you're more animated in some games over others?

No, just this one thing that would force you to re-evaluate what you have.

[NicoRobin]

So, Cheeky, is mastina still scum?

[NicoRobin]

And there you have it. The reason I scumread Wisdom is because he voted her in the beginning. It's not much, but it is enough for me on D1.

[NicoRobin]

Go ahead and laugh, but I'll have the last laugh.

[NicoRobin]

lol

Ans you, explain why you voted her despite my insistence not to do so.

[NicoRobin]

Nico it was just RVS
mastina hadnt even posted
how can I possibly have scum motivation for that vote

You have it because you refuse to remove it even after I tried to get you to do it.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

It would be boring without her around,

Yeah thats totally a factor for deciding who to lynch

/sarcasm

Do these ring a bell?

[NicoRobin]

Nico it was just RVS
mastina hadnt even posted
how can I possibly have scum motivation for that vote

You have it because you refuse to remove it even after I tried to get you to do it.

But that's townie, how could he know how to trust you?

I also left a crumb in that post. >.>

[NicoRobin]

Yume you need to flip the chessboard around and look from his PoV

Funny coming from someone who wants me to trust them without seeing things from my POV and realizing that I can't trust you automatically just because you ask me to.

[NicoRobin]

Obviously. Do people always see crumbs?

He says he is a God of scumhunting multiple times and insists that he is always right no matter the circumstances, so if he were that good, he should've been able to see a simple crumb and act accordingly.

[NicoRobin]

Nico you should trust Ali 100%

You just said he didn't know he could trust me or not, so why the hell should I trust others?

Make up you mind: either others don't trust me and I don't trust them, or I trust others 100% and they trust me 100% in return.

[NicoRobin]

I still dont see how that's a crumb

Also I certainly don't say such things

Even if you don't say it, your actions and attitude towards others certainly do. Actions speak louder than words. Have you ever openly said 'I was wrong, I am sorry' after every mislynch you've ever made?

[NicoRobin]

Cheeky, I'm not so sure Nico is Town either, with all that entails.

Ali and I don't fully agree on this point.

Pine

(Still catching up on what I missed overnight tho)

Lol, go ahead and lynch me, see what happens. I guarantee others will lynch you as soon as I flips. If I have do die to ensure that, then so be it.

[NicoRobin]

/done talking to Nico

Does anyone know why Momrangal also votes me for voting mastina

Of course you are, you've gotta continue your ego trip, after all.

[NicoRobin]

Scum: Sudowoodo, Wisdom

[NicoRobin]

Wisdom shot me in that game just so he didn't want to take responsibility for being scum MVP.

[NicoRobin]

Scum: Sudowoodo, Wisdom

Seriously, be worse.

This is opposite.

And it is opposite because.....?

[NicoRobin]

I didnt shoot you in any game

Wrong, you shot me in FA's normal game.....Heavy metal mafia or something.....

[NicoRobin]

You remember wrong. I shot scum there.

No, you admitted you shot me at the end game.

[NicoRobin]

Scum: Sudowoodo, Wisdom

Seriously, be worse.

This is opposite.

And it is opposite because.....?

Wis and I are Town (I think, I'm at like 90% on Wis)

Pine

And why are you town?

And don't give me some bs about how she always misreads you and how I should trust you without reservations while also claiming others shouldn't trust me so readily.

[NicoRobin]

Also, Wisdom, stay away from any games I play/mod in the future. I am mad of you because of what you did in Symphonic Metal and that isn't likely to go anyway anytime soon, so I'd rather blacklist you than subject other players to my distaste of you. It also benefits you not being in the games with me.

p-edit: Then why was I killed there? It was obviously so you won't have to face responsibility for your actions. We made a deal that you would lynch yourself if you mislynched another, and I was shot before I could make you keep your end of that deal. I wonder why that was?

[NicoRobin]

I also feel that's too high for Nico

It's really not, and if you know what others know, you'd know it's not.

p-edit: Apologize to me and I will.

[NicoRobin]

Scum: Sudowoodo, Wisdom

Seriously, be worse.

This is opposite.

And it is opposite because.....?

Wis and I are Town (I think, I'm at like 90% on Wis)

Pine

And why are you town?

And don't give me some bs about how she always misreads you and how I should trust you without reservations while also claiming others shouldn't trust me so readily.

Why are you going to ask a question you don’t care about the answer to?

Seriously I don’t think you care about the answer you’re just gonna tunnel regardless
Hence why I am making this town win by kicking and screaming if I have to

Remember 1936? Scum asked that exact same question. The exact. same. question.

Hence the one making this a town win will be mastina.

[NicoRobin]

I also feel that's too high for Nico

I disagree. He's being far to blatant about a specific thing that I find it surprising that you think that.

Also cheeky and beeboy could maybe switch places I guess and bee doesn't really deserve to be that high but like, I really don't see scum motivation in how he went about his claim.

VOTE: MariaR

I am a she, it says so right here in her profile.

And no, I am not gonna stay out of the games I would enjoy just because you are in them, Wisdom.

[NicoRobin]

I also feel that's too high for Nico

I disagree. He's being far to blatant about a specific thing that I find it surprising that you think that.

Also cheeky and beeboy could maybe switch places I guess and bee doesn't really deserve to be that high but like, I really don't see scum motivation in how he went about his claim.

VOTE: MariaR

I am a she, it says so right here in my profile.

And no, I am not gonna stay out of the games I would enjoy just because you are in them, Wisdom.

[NicoRobin]

Unless there is scum in wisdom and alisae then it loses a bit of cred.

Why?

[NicoRobin]

I'm trying to keep what I know under wraps, yet every time someone posts something like the above, I wanna rip my hair out and reveal it all in public.... D:

[NicoRobin]

I can see both of those 2 players specifically asking you to push them.

lol no. Wisdom and I made it obvious we hate each other's guts, so I am the last person he'd want to carry.

[NicoRobin]

@Kokichi Results?

[NicoRobin]

@Kokichi Results?

[NicoRobin]

:/

[NicoRobin]

I don't think we should discuss the legitimacy of a mason claim :/

Hush. Mason counterclaims catch us 2 scum.

lolz.

[NicoRobin]

I dont follow the mason business

t'is okay, u r no suppozed to.

[NicoRobin]

OMG KOKICHI I HAVE BOMBS TO DROP

:O

[NicoRobin]

Don't bomb us.

[NicoRobin]

Let's all be buddies....

p-edit: @Sudowoodo *gives you a leery look*

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Sudowoodo

I found my fish which I'll deep-fry.

[NicoRobin]

Okay
At the start of the game Yume sent us mail saying she was masons with mastina
in attempt to get Cheeky to calm down, I announced a N0 Inno on mastina
Hence why that happened.

I don't have a N0 inno on mastina
that was made under the assumption that mastina was a mason.

BUT

Recent events have shown that a 2ND pair of masons has surfaced.

Hence why I am outing this information.

I think its fairly obvious who the 2nd pair are, and I really hate the fact that I'm doing things this way.

aka
mastina and Yume are not masons.

Big shocker.

Well......

I guess since you chose that route......

:/

[NicoRobin]

CHEEKY I WAS LITERALLY TOLD BY YUME THAT THEY WERE MASONS WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO AT THE TIME

I assumed they were masons too, which is why I made that weird posts in 500 or 501 quoting nico saying the half read on her about her not wanting to lynch mastina wasnt scummy but I didnt like the emoticon. I figured if I townread nico and mastina too hard it would be obvious so I only chose one. Mastina is still town in my opinion

wait

I am sorry
I think I have no clue what the fuck is going on anymore

You don't trust me fam, yet you expect me to trust you.

Get rekt.

[NicoRobin]

I am outta here.

*sadface*

[NicoRobin]

Traitorous monkey......

[NicoRobin]

@Sudowoodo Explain why that second pair of yours are more likely to be masons as opposed to us?

[NicoRobin]

Burn the woody one.

[NicoRobin]

Join me, for Ultimate Justice!

[NicoRobin]

But she is right, we're not masons. I sent that message to them to test them. If they were really town, they would have discussed which of the 'mason' pairs were more likely, rather than jumping ship immediately upon seeing a new shiny info appears. They were looking for an opening to discredit us for quite a while, and they took it the moment it reared its head.

[NicoRobin]

We're not burning the woody one.

Go away.

[NicoRobin]

We're not burning the woody one.

Go away.

No. We're not lynching them ever.

I am.

[NicoRobin]

Look I am going to sleep I think I've obvtowned myself enough so long lynch um Claire
or Kokichi
or Yume
or LLD

those contain wolves.

Sure.

[NicoRobin]

There is an easy way to solve this. Lynch me. After I flip town, burn the woody one.

[NicoRobin]

There is an easy way to solve this. Lynch me. After I flip town, burn the woody one.

Aren't you like a mason.

No, I am not. Damn Su betrayed me by revealing that I am not. I want their head on a pike and am ready to die to achieve that.

[NicoRobin]

So all mason claims are faked and should be ignored as expected?

Unless a player flips mason, yeah.

[NicoRobin]

So take that, Sudowoodo. I discredit your second 'mason' pair just like you did to us.

[NicoRobin]

Nico

What?

[NicoRobin]

Don\t talk to me, you are easy-come, easy-go, switching your opinions at a drop of a hat.

[NicoRobin]

If you doubt I am town, lynch me, lie-detect me, do anything, but this lukewarm thing doesn't cut it anymore.

p-edit: mastina is town, I am town, Su and Wisdom are still scum.

[NicoRobin]

I think you're getting overly emotional about how this gambit broke.

I don't think Alipine is scum.

Not interested in your actual link to Mastina but... Where are you currently standing with the game?

They claims we're not masons and ya'll instantly believe them with no reservations whatsoever.

Yeah, don't talk to me. I am done.

[NicoRobin]

I don't doubt you're town, I just have a massive headache trying to process stuff.

I need some sort of anchorp

The best way to obtain an anchor is to lynch me. Do it.

[NicoRobin]

^ Listen to this guy and lynch me

[NicoRobin]

There is an easy way to solve this. Lynch me. After I flip town, burn the woody one.

shut up

No.

[NicoRobin]

So lynch me. If I flip mason, lynch Su. If I don't, celebrate their genius for the world to hear.

[NicoRobin]

Why? Because I am mad they revealed everything prematurely?

[NicoRobin]

If you mean the lynch thing, then yeah, I am willing to die to expose their scumminess to the world.

[NicoRobin]

You guys blindly believe them, and in most circumstances, it's gamethrowing as well. Town should have at least some level of doubt.

[NicoRobin]

Look at this game

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72865

The scum there tried the exact same tactic, the exact same one. Yet you expect me to believe that their shenanigans aren't the same thing? Because they are, regardless of the player behind them. Bottom line is, all scum have to discredit conftown or they lose.

And yet, here you are, believing Su like their word is law or something.

[NicoRobin]

>.>

[NicoRobin]

Quit making my life difficult.

[NicoRobin]

What's wrong? Your vote is what\s wrong.

[NicoRobin]

Vote Wisdom instead. You scumread him too, right? Do a compromise with me.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Wisdom

[NicoRobin]

Yeah, I'll do whatever it takes to stop votes on my partner(s)

Tough luck, Wisdom.

[NicoRobin]

we did it nico haha!

Just five more votes to go.

[NicoRobin]

Because you did that. It was you who first announced that we aren't masons, if I recall correctly.

[NicoRobin]

I have nothing more to say to you regarding this matter. I have reasons for what I do, as you'll soon see.

[NicoRobin]

Also, why the hell would you claim Masons with someone who (at the time) hadn't posted? That's not a Town thing to do.

Nico + Mastina = scumbuds

Because I had four votes on me at the time?

What if you had accidentally lynched me?

[NicoRobin]

pine its yume, she doesnt ever do town things

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[NicoRobin]

Also, have you ever heard of 'subtlety' or 'selective information', huh?

[NicoRobin]

pine its yume, she doesnt ever do town things

I have no history with her. It took me forever just to figure out who Alisae was talking about in Discord.

And frankly, that's not a satisfactory explanation. Blatant scumminess should not be rewarded with an "Oh Yume you so crazy". It should be lynched.

I am wholly unconvinced. If there's a reason for Nico to have been lying, she needs to be out with it so we can move on.

I want Mastina to weigh in on this. I'd like to see her corroborate and disown the Mason plot.

Why could I possibly lie? Come on, work your brain a little and work out why would I lie in a public thread where anyone could read everything?

[NicoRobin]

@Su I will not talk anymore till mastina comes on.

[NicoRobin]

[NicoRobin]

Me too.

[NicoRobin]

Except that she does. Have you read her wiki at all? It clearly says in there she puts as much stock in early game interactions as she does for those in later game

[NicoRobin]

Anyway, she has good reason for the push, and she'll explain those later.

[NicoRobin]

Everyone associated with a Mason claim or soft has disavowed said claim.

Not ev'ryone.

[NicoRobin]

You don't know what you're dealing with. :C

[NicoRobin]

But she is right, we're not masons. I sent that message to them to test them.

she even admitted they're not masons

Yeah, that thing was a lie too.

[NicoRobin]

theyre not masons ffs

stop acting like you dont know yume

And stop acting like you know me yourself.

[NicoRobin]

nico if scum-mastina ends up winning the game due to your bullshit will you admit how bad you are?

Depends. Would you admit how bad you are if she flips mason?

[NicoRobin]

If Mastina and Nico are neighbors would Nico really be so naive to send that masonry message to alpine?

Well, considering I was fooled twice by scum and learned from it, no.

Time to put an end to this festival.

[NicoRobin]

mastina is town. I am town. We're masons

[NicoRobin]

^Lie detect that if you don\t believe me.

Bah.

[NicoRobin]

You still haven't answered my question, Wisdom.

p-edit: I am Alisae. Mastina is Pine/Alisae. Hence, we share alignment. And you have be as town. Ergo, she can't be scum.

[NicoRobin]

why are you intentionally making my life difficult yume :/

It's you who is making my life difficult for wanting to lynch my mason partner. >.>

By the way, congratulations, you forced me to come out into the open, ensuring that we'll be killed.

[NicoRobin]

1511 shows me yume is reading so little it makes me legitimately angry

Explain, cos from what I see, everyone scumread her. Even if they weren't voting her, they scumread her all the same.

[NicoRobin]

I am Alisae. Mastina is Pine/Alisae. Hence, we share alignment.

That sounds like you made it up rather than something Cheetory wrote

I am mastina and Mara is also mastina, and we aren't masons

I stand by what I said. Lie detect if you don't believe.

[NicoRobin]

Rather than slinging mud, simply lie detect. How hard is it?

[NicoRobin]

Rather than slinging mud, simply lie detect. How hard is it?

requires someone to actually HAVE a lie detector?

Just because there may not be one doesn't mean people have to drown in sheer stupidity. There are masons, and it's us. I mean, not even me is that stupid so as to scumread a mason, regardless of what other may say. >.>

And about others calling me naive, I ousted three scum in three separate games, one of whom was blatantly buddying me. Naive? Hardly.

This is not me being manipulated by her. It's a cold, hard, fact. The title of our PT is 'mason PT', therefore if anyone is manipulating me, it's the moderator themselves, and that's impossible as well.

[NicoRobin]

Rather than slinging mud, simply lie detect. How hard is it?

requires someone to actually HAVE a lie detector?

Just because there may not be one doesn't mean people have to drown in sheer stupidity. There are masons, and it's us. I mean, not even me is that stupid so as to scumread a mason, regardless of what other may say. >.>

And about others calling me naive, I ousted three scum in three separate games, one of whom was blatantly buddying me. Naive? Hardly.

This is not me being manipulated by her. It's a cold, hard, fact. The title of our PT is 'mason PT', therefore if anyone is manipulating me, it's the moderator themselves, and that's impossible as well.

[NicoRobin]

By the way

Spoiler:

Crackers are yummy

[NicoRobin]

Me being different does not mean not town

Sure, in of itself, but when you pair it with the actions you are doing along with what direction you're taking the game in (away from the right one), it makes a pretty damn good case!

What actions? What direction?
You continue treating me like you have a guilty on me when I have done nothing to warrant it

I'd say your actions warrant it. Please continue selling how I'm a stupid one.

[NicoRobin]

Oh? Do you believe that your opinion holds more worth than ours? Sure sounds like you do indeed believe your logic is flawless.

[NicoRobin]

please stop arguing like this.

tell wisdom why he's scum so he can tell you why you're wrong. it's how mafia works. not passive aggressive ego measuring. i'm trying to read u, pls.

Initially, it was because he voted mastina, but now that scum read has increased, due to him refusing to back off no matter what I say. Also, he is in cahoots with Su hydra to try and discredit us.

[NicoRobin]

so because he's pushing a scumread you're scumreading him? that's kind of silly.

Not silly at all if his so-called scumread is my mason partner.....

[NicoRobin]

so because he's pushing a scumread you're scumreading him? that's kind of silly.

Not silly at all if his so-called scumread is my mason partner.....

in a role madness game where he scumreads both of you, that doesn't seem like it comes more from town than scum.

and even then, being inconsistent and not making a whole lot of sense is typically a town tell (player specific)

Actually, he townreads me and only scumreads her, so.....

[NicoRobin]

Ok, so mastina and nico actually masons? Trust beeboy's read on nico but still scumread mastina.

Yes, we are.

[NicoRobin]

You didn't even read what I just said.....

Okay, not gonna waste anymore time today, goodnight.

[NicoRobin]

nico if scum-mastina ends up winning the game due to your bullshit will you admit how bad you are?

Really towny

WE\RE MASONS. MASONS. DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT IN BOLD AND IN COLOR SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER?

EXPLAIN IN WHICH UNIVERSE IS SCUMREADING A MASON A TOWNY MOVE.

God, I try not to get emotional, but y'all are making me have an aneurysm.

[NicoRobin]

EXPLAIN IN WHICH UNIVERSE IS SCUMREADING A MASON A TOWNY MOVE.

In the universe where we don't know you are masons and youre not a trustworthy player

Okay, so you agree to put 'I am a terrible player' in your sig once mastina flips mason, right?

[NicoRobin]

Either you agree to this deal or your opinions hold no value.

[NicoRobin]

/faceclaw
This is going to continue all game until one of us dies

You'll die before we do.

[NicoRobin]

I am pretty sure nico is town. But, not masons with mastina, just very very deeply pocketed by scum mastina.

VOTE: NicoRobin

Okay, since people refuse to see sense, I'll flip myself to prove it to you. :L

[NicoRobin]

I am pretty sure nico is town. But, not masons with mastina, just very very deeply pocketed by scum mastina.

See, the thing is, I really am not.

I was pocketed by scum!Skybird
I was pocketed by scum!Shiro

.....and you are telling me I learned nothing from those?

If so then X_X

[NicoRobin]

Knows exactly what to do to create positive feelings towards herself.

At this juncture, me living is meaningless. All it does is create the endless loop of players parroting 'mastina is scum, mastina is scum'.

My death will give all of you a wake-up call.

[NicoRobin]

Sorry if this is in thread but what is Nico's flavor?

Alisae

Go away.

[NicoRobin]

You still haven't answered my question, Wisdom.

p-edit: I am Alisae. Mastina is Pine/Alisae. Hence, we share alignment. And you have be as town. Ergo, she can't be scum.

Me and cheeky have the same flavour but we're not masons

Yet we are. Accept it wait till one of us dies, after which point you'd have to accept it anyway.

[NicoRobin]

>.>

[NicoRobin]

Nico are you still going to argue you are masons after beeboy's claim?
Or are you saying there are four masons?

Yes, I am. Did it ever occur to you that other claims could be LYING?

You really think everyone who decides to claim mason is telling the truth? O.o

In that case, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

There is only one mason claim that's legit, and it's mine. You'll learn as much when one of us dies.

[NicoRobin]

But she is right, we're not masons. I sent that message to them to test them. If they were really town, they would have discussed which of the 'mason' pairs were more likely, rather than jumping ship immediately upon seeing a new shiny info appears. They were looking for an opening to discredit us for quite a while, and they took it the moment it reared its head.

Okay, tht statement was made to ensure we won't get NKed. Happy?

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Nico

Yeah, that's the way. Continue doing it.

[NicoRobin]

Just one thing: will you believe mastina is my partner when I flip mason?

[NicoRobin]

Also, I guess that all those things you said at the end of 1936 were a damn lie?

[NicoRobin]

Yeah Yume I'll believe mastina is ur mason buddy.

tbh I'm moreso voting you because I think keeping you at LyLo is a terrible terrible mistake with how this day played out.
I'll probably change it later if people talk me out of it.

Read this and tell me I am bad at LYLO

Then read this and tell me I am easily pocketed by scum

[NicoRobin]

Why does beeboy fakeclaim masons with Lovebird here Nico?

Read the two games I listed above too, then I'll tell you.

[NicoRobin]

Why does beeboy fakeclaim masons with Lovebird here Nico?

Why would I fakeclaim masons with mastina? Saying 'because you are naive' doesn't count, cos the two games I listed above disprove that.

[NicoRobin]

Besides, even if bee were telling the truth, there can be multiple mason pairs. We already have three inventors and it's possible for two players to share flavor as well, so would two mason pairs really be that much of the stretch?

You silly.

p-edit: Read 1936 if you want the answer.

[NicoRobin]

In fact, you are one who are naive, believing every damn claim you see willy-nilly.

[NicoRobin]

In fact, you are ones who are naive, believing every damn claim you see willy-nilly.

[NicoRobin]

methinks I should go back to lurking and spare myself the headache.

[NicoRobin]

so would two mason pairs really be that much of the stretch?

yes because it means four conftown

Again, read 1936. It had four conftown.

[NicoRobin]

so would two mason pairs really be that much of the stretch?

yes because it means four conftown

Again, read 1936. It had four conftown.

namely randomidget, Sappho, Varsoon and myself.

[NicoRobin]

I gave reads and my mind hasn't changed since then.

[NicoRobin]

Scum are Sudowoodo and Wisdom (and possibly beeboy, because my experience says scum are more likely to lie about something like this)

Everyone else is town, yo.

[NicoRobin]

And try scumhunting motivations instead of scumreading whoever doesn't agree with you

I see no town motivation in scumreading a mason, thank you very much.

[NicoRobin]

If discrediting us left and right is all you're gonna do, then get out.

Occam's razor says that those that discredit/don't believe our mason claim is scum, because they have to disbelieve in it, otherwise they will lose in LYLO.

Surely you are smart enough to realize this. You are fighting a battle you cannot win here.

My previous games taught me a lot of things, this being one of them.

p-edit: People refuse to lynch me. People refuse to lie detect my post. So humor me: how else am I supposed to get people to believe me?

[NicoRobin]

Town does not know if you are a mason or not
Stop assuming people should autobelieve you or share your views

Well guess what? That's right, you don't know whether beeboy is a mason either, yet you instantly believe him.

[NicoRobin]

I am scumhunting. Just because you think my scumreads are dumb doesn't mean I'm not.

[NicoRobin]

You dont need to get people to believe you
We are not lynching you or mastina today
Just scumhunt and stop caring about the mason thing

Funny, I recall about at least thirteen people agreeing that mastina is scum and should be lynched, you being one of them.

[NicoRobin]

Well guess what? That's right, you don't know whether beeboy is a mason either, yet you instantly believe him.

Because I look at motivations
I cannot understand why beeboy fakeclaims that out of nowhere
While I can understand why you do it

Because he is scum who wants to discredit the masons?
To hunt for reactions?
For the lulz?

[NicoRobin]

And have you read the games I listed + mini 1936?

I am guessing you haven't, cos if you have, you wouldn't be calling me an idiot.

Now either read them or stfu about me, cos if you don't read those three games, then you don't know how I play at all. >.>

[NicoRobin]

However, since you came to your senses, I am done arguing with you.

[NicoRobin]

Nico I have played with you enough to know how you think and how you play
I dont need to read games

Yes you do, cos my playstyle has changed by a lot.

[NicoRobin]

No, cos Occam's razor says you're scum.

[NicoRobin]

In all three of those games, I caught scum, so I am a far cry from a bad player like you seem to think. However, you are too stubborn to ever change your mind about me, so I am done.

[NicoRobin]

We'll have a long talk about my scumhunting abilities once this game is done.

[NicoRobin]

And that's why I am good at scumhunting. in all the games I listed, I caught scum by refusing to listen to the POVs of players I scumread.

[NicoRobin]

So tell me, why the hell should I listen to what the players I am scumreading have to say?

[NicoRobin]

Thats not how one scumhunts however
You should consider the other player's POV and decide if their motivations are coming from a town or scum mindset
Just pointing at someone, calling them scum, and refusing to consider anything else from that point is just tunneling and will net you scun only if you are lucky

That's rich, coming from you.

[NicoRobin]

So tell me, why the hell should I listen to what the players I am scumreading have to say?

Because you might be wrong and they might be town

This is also rich coming from you, considering you tunneled players who you thought were scum in Symphonic Metal mafia and refuse to back down even when the rest of us argued that they could be town, which is why the town lost.

So, based on what you just said, you were a bad scumhunter even back then, so don't you dare lecture me.

That's a method that worked for me in all three games, so too bad.

[NicoRobin]

Well, my playstyle caught me scum thrice, so I am not gonna change it just because you say so.

[NicoRobin]

You say you know me, but all you know of me is from a period where I never caught scum. That's changed, and I now can actually catch scum.

[NicoRobin]

and you refuse to read games from a period where I did catch scum, so whatever you know about my playstyle is outdated.

[NicoRobin]

And speaking of looking from other people's POVs, why aren't you looking at things from mine or even considering that we are actually masons?

[NicoRobin]

Also, I don't take advice from hypocrites.

[NicoRobin]

Nico if you had changed you wouldnt scumread people for something so shallow as daring to question your mason claim

Nor would that be the only thing in the game you cared about and based your reads on

In 1936, I scumread a player for exactly this, and they flipped scum, so whatcha say?

[NicoRobin]

Well, a certain someone once said that luck is a part of skill. I fully believe in that.

You want me to consider you as town? Fine, then answer this: what is your town motivation for scumreading a mason?

[NicoRobin]

cos as far as I am concerned, there is none, which is why my scumreads are what they are.

[NicoRobin]

and the fact you are calling me stupid and naive and easily pocketed rather that seeing things from my POV is doing you no favors.

[NicoRobin]

*than

[NicoRobin]

In another game, I killed off the scum who tried to pocket me using the fact they were my bodyguard, so I am not that naive, thank you very much.