Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Momrangal]

Eggooo.

Call me back when the game gets under way.

Pedit:

VOTE: wisdom

[Momrangal]

Yawn.

Sorry for making you waste your vote LLD.

I have a weird kinship to Mastina this game and I don't like her being voted before even posting

[Momrangal]

Mastina, for example, will obviously have some sort of wallposting-related power.

I disagree. There are other aspects to Mastinas play but gonna also not dig into this any further

[Momrangal]

I didn't get a message

I did get the ability to send one


Pedit: because I'm her~

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And no I didnt know she was an N0 clear.

Pedit yea

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Sec fussy baby is fussy

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So I'm supposed to put this game over my baby. Got it.

[Momrangal]

Mastina
Nici
Kokichi

Sudowoodo
Momomen
Wisdom?
LLD
Beeboy

Cheeky

Red
Lovebird
MariaR

[Momrangal]

Thats about where I'm sitting and I agree on wisdom being reasonable and it being weird but because *reasons* that may not be entirely alignment indicative

[Momrangal]

Right now, all my scum reads are purely PoE which I'm not sure how to take ATM.

Not gonna explain kokichi. That could drastically change come d2 but I highly doubt it

It was a combination of early game Rvs fun and a little bit of trying to get Mastinas alignment read myself and admittedly I am sleeved by her hard tr on me and I would probably be pushing there if she wasn't cleared

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I also feel that's too high for Nico

I disagree. He's being far to blatant about a specific thing that I find it surprising that you think that.

Also cheeky and beeboy could maybe switch places I guess and bee doesn't really deserve to be that high but like, I really don't see scum motivation in how he went about his claim.

VOTE: MariaR

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Mom wierd question
Should I care about Kokichi’s Masonize.

Answer should reach you soon

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What about Red, Mara?

Purely Poe

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Oh.

I am aligned with town

[Momrangal]

TR on Loki drops to null

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Loki=koki

Pedit: :/

[Momrangal]

I hate this game

[Momrangal]

Who's Yume?

I also have reason to believe at least one pair of masons exist

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Alisae. You didn't confuse my message as a mason claim of sorts did you

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Or pine?

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Nico

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I think you're getting overly emotional about how this gambit broke.

I don't think Alipine is scum.

Not interested in your actual link to Mastina but... Where are you currently standing with the game?

[Momrangal]

What are you talking about?

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I don't doubt you're town, I just have a massive headache trying to process stuff.

I need some sort of anchorp

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Who's Yume?

I also have reason to believe at least one pair of masons exist

Alisae. You didn't confuse my message as a mason claim of sorts did you

[Momrangal]

I need a Mastina in my life. Like asap

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Except I literally said that my baby was fussy right before she aid that and the implication looked like I dropped off suddenly without explanation so

[Momrangal]

I need a Mastina in my life. Like asap

You know I work most days now, right? I get home at an average time of like 8 PM PST when you factor in the days I get home much later, much earlier, and precisely at, that time. 8 PM PST is midnight in the timezone most players are in.

Frankly the only reason I'm posting right now is that dance was cancelled for tonight; if it weren't, I wouldn't be home for another two hours. (Okay, so I got home at like 4:30, but I would have spent the time between 4:30 and me leaving at 6 preparing to leave and maybe doing some finishing touches on Lynch the Wolves which by the way still needs a reviewer. But I certainly wouldn't be posting here without that.)

I didn't!

Grats on more hours

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I think its fairly obvious who the 2nd pair are, and I really hate the fact that I'm doing things this way.

Oh you mean Wisdom and Maria?

Yeah guess one of the reasons I've been calling those two scum?

mara + kokichi

Maria or Mara?

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Thats about where I'm sitting and I agree on wisdom being reasonable and it being weird but because *reasons* that may not be entirely alignment indicative

Right now, all my scum reads are purely PoE which I'm not sure how to take ATM.

Not gonna explain kokichi. That could drastically change come d2 but I highly doubt it

It was a combination of early game Rvs fun and a little bit of trying to get Mastinas alignment read myself and admittedly I am sleeved by her hard tr on me and I would probably be pushing there if she wasn't cleared

I also feel that's too high for Nico

I disagree. He's being far to blatant about a specific thing that I find it surprising that you think that.

Also cheeky and beeboy could maybe switch places I guess and bee doesn't really deserve to be that high but like, I really don't see scum motivation in how he went about his claim.

VOTE: MariaR

What about Red, Mara?

Purely Poe

TR on Loki drops to null

Quoting for my/others references for now

Still not gonna really explain koki right now but I believed in the Masonizer claim and I do believe there could be more than one mason group this game

[Momrangal]

Confirmed
Mastina
Nico

Strong town
Sudowoodo
Momomen
Beeboy

Lean town
Wisdom
LLD

Null
Cheeky
Kokichi

PoE scum
Red
Lovebird
MariaR

Did a little bit of editing since then and added exactly what group people belong to for clarity but I feel like I'm way off base somewhere

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Sudo did you think I was masons with koki or Maria?

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I don't care what you or anyone else says, but I believe that Mastina and Nico are masons. I strongly believe that there is at least one team of masons in this game and I strongly believe that the second mason team could also be legit dependent on further reading.

I disagree with mastina regarding you and the only question that comes across my mind is why they would target you with that info if Mastina doubted that you were town.

I have a hard time believing things would transpire the way they did on the mason thing if you were scum here.

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Mmmm... I may be giving momo and bee a little to much credit and they probably both deserve to be just town, but the way they went about claiming their roles doesnt make much sense to me if they are scum


Pedit: ive never played with Nico. She may have admitted it but stuff still isn't adding up here

[Momrangal]

Jeanne sounded familiar. I played one game with her but she remains largely unmemorable

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Wisdom and LLD are both pretty weak town for me. I don't think wisdoms play style change is alignment indicative and I'm not too keen on mastinas expectation of you mean a whole lot.

I do agree though, the way you don't question the similarity of yours and mastinas role being sus is kinda weird especially after cheeky claimed and I think some time down the road a full mass claim will be necessary but the way you are going in and out with how you're reading mastina seems somewhat organic but I think I recall your ability to do that as scum is solid

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I'm cagey about LLD and I can't really explain my read on her but it is largely gut.

And then theres my PoE scum pool. Everyone in that pool hasn't left an impression on me and I have absolutely no opinion of anyone in there

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You aren't wrong and likely only one in my pool is actually scum but im not gonna budge on mastina at this current point in time. I could revisit koki but I played a few games with him and already I get the feeling that this isn't much different than his usual. So far he's been town in every finished game and I still don't know how I feel about your case on him

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Caring about?

My scum pool?

The best way to figure out which of that pool is wrong is looking at other people's opinions about it.

Like everyone else seems to believe lovebird is very town so I kinda feel like that may be someone I can strike out

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Maria how do you feel about a mastina/Kokichi/LLD solve

Is there anyone other than those who you think could be scum instead

I don't really like a lot of the kokichi votes but I do want to go back and look at a game where kokichi and mastina were scum together and this bussed hardcore so that makes me pause a little. Whuy do you tr mara? They're in my poe

Everyone who thinks you're scum is in you're poe

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You're not wrong about laying low. Not scum tho

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Goddammit9

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Koki and Maria aren't scum. I need to readjust

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If Mastina and Nico are neighbors would Nico really be so naive to send that masonry message to alpine?

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VOTE: Red

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One of them is not working together with people.

That's actually a thing he does on occasion

[Momrangal]

Read what momo said.


Mastina, you sticking around?

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Sudo is it possible that I can send another message

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Mastina, I need help refining my reads but I also want to put Maria and koki to the side for now. Two masons does seem kinda strong but assuming things don't go wrong, it'll be apparent by d3 if there is only one and which of the two is false

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Talk to me a little more about wisdom. I made points about him earlier

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That's the idea they are trying to push

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V/LA until Monday

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Erm..

Didn't I state V/LA

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Momo didn't you literally just say you thought I was a pr

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Like why the fuck am I getting ran up to claim

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VOTE: mastina

You mean to tell me there are

four

people who can conftown

Why is this a surprise? I've been bringing it up as a possibility all game.

[Momrangal]

Maria. If you and koki aren't masons WTF was that "I'm not going it alone" comment regarding koki


Pedit : ok

[Momrangal]

Who's Yume?

I also have reason to believe at least one pair of masons exist

Alisae. You didn't confuse my message as a mason claim of sorts did you

I don't care what you or anyone else says, but I believe that Mastina and Nico are masons. I strongly believe that there is at least one team of masons in this game and I strongly believe that the second mason team could also be legit dependent on further reading.

I disagree with mastina regarding you and the only question that comes across my mind is why they would target you with that info if Mastina doubted that you were town.

I have a hard time believing things would transpire the way they did on the mason thing if you were scum here.

Koki and Maria aren't scum. I need to readjust

Mastina, I need help refining my reads but I also want to put Maria and koki to the side for now. Two masons does seem kinda strong but assuming things don't go wrong, it'll be apparent by d3 if there is only one and which of the two is false

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I honestly don't know where to look at for scum. My PoE imploded on itself


Pedit: oh. Why did you make it seem like it was more than that

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Or I might be reading into it to much but I got the impression of the koki town read as something role related

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I feel like I might be being buddied

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Confirmed
Mastina
Nico

Strong town
Sudowoodo
Momomen
Beeboy

Lean town
Wisdom
LLD

Null
Cheeky
Kokichi

PoE scum
Red
Lovebird
MariaR

Did a little bit of editing since then and added exactly what group people belong to for clarity but I feel like I'm way off base somewhere

This is where I was last but, I feel like MariaXkoki is either TvS or TvT

I feel like sudoXcheeky is TvS mechanically but both of them are starting to feel townie to me

LLD stays the same but I can't get a good handle on you. I don't like how you brought up the evil twin thing and is kinda going back and forth between trying to push me and getting me to talk and open up to you

Pedit : @wisdom

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I mean clearly

Bee and lovebird are now moved to confirmed town position so like...

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Here's where I stand with LLD.

clearly she could have kept on voting Momo. It's within her meta to do so, and I don't think anyone would really look at her eweird for that. Instead, she backed off the claim and essentially did a 180 on that slot without really replacing anyone else into it. I don't buy scum LLD being unable to find a viable replacement that she can go after and I would understand why town LLD would feel apathetic trying to find scum in this game

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If I'm not town by play why would I be town wisdom ?

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Confirmed
Mastina
Nico
Loveburd
Beeboy

Strong town
Sudowoodo
Momomen


Lean town
LLD
MariaR
Cheeky

Null
Wisdom


PoE scum
Red
Kokichi

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Mmm Sudo drops to null

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I do not like her having me as null
She's the person in this playerlist who should be able to tell I am town here

And why would I be able to conf town new wisdom when my accuracy on old wisdom was as good as random?

Or do you not remember all the times we used to cross tunnel each other as town?

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Strong town
Sudowoodo
Momomen

Also can you talk about why you strong read Momomen?

Like I said earlier, between you and sudowoodo there is high probability that scum is up in there, especially considering where the rest of the game is. They seem play by town but nearly everyone who has far more experience than them is saying this isn't out of their scum range and rereading how you CC'd and why and how you went about your claim just... Doesn't seem like scum at all.


As far as Momomen is concerned they just seem... Genuine. Their thoughts are transparent and well laid out that scum normally won't do.

Aside from that, what they claimed and how they claimed was a rather risky gambit for scum to pull off and the rewards gotten from it wouldn't even out so I don't think it would be scum play there

[Momrangal]

I'm a mason copl

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No you misunderstand.

I am not a mason. I am a cop specifically for masons

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VOTE: wisdom

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There is no way you don't townnread me here with the way I claim

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Because this is not a claim I use as Scum? I don't do simple claims as scum

[Momrangal]

I also don't drop a billion different sorts at multiple points in the game, softing left and right about what it is that I am

Pedit: is a fairly basic role and not my super ridiculous claims that I tend to make as scum

[Momrangal]

Oh, no? It means I never do it as scum not since then not now.

My last fake claim was something no-one has ever even heard of before

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Because???

You aren't the same wisdom. You don't even have the same intensity as you used to have. I did and am taking that into consideration and I did read you as possible town but with the current game state and mastina saying how weak my points are made me reconsider.

And I guess you do have a point in how you said you wanted to get a town read off me but like, you were town reading me all game since pretty early on and I have a hard time believing that it was all my sifting considering I only started with putting my flavor out there

[Momrangal]

And I mean my softs make it pretty clear that my role was mason related but I specified that I was not one so if you were town reading me based off my potential role what did you think my role could be?


Pedit: what?

[Momrangal]

Necromancer the game?


Pedit : yes

[Momrangal]

Oh

Just looked. Didn't even know it finished goddamn.

But like...

I was trying to get you and other people to scumcread me but it didn't work

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I've also seen your town game in mafia month and I feel like you're alot more trolly there then you are here. You never really have content but I think you're trolling attitude is more geared towards confusion and misdirection vs doing it just because.

You also seem less inhibited as town and you feel kinda cagey here but I'm not sure how to decipher your trollness here

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And yes which is why I kept saying there is likely more than one mason team.

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See you're saying you aren't doing it but you're doing it

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Like its not explicit but, I do feel like you were kinda taking my side earlier on and I was planning on giving you some space because I saw the drastic change in your play in necromancer and it does look like your new town play but there you made all your pushes with confidence even if you could be wrong. Even how you handled kokichi there isn't how you're handling any of your reads here

[Momrangal]

I feel like there is one scum between sudowoodo and cheeky based off mechanics. Where do you stand on that

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I have no words for the last couple pages.

I get mason/not mason. I dont get masons alignment at all.

Also in what world does scum masons ever exist.

Both pairs of masons are town and im town

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UNVOTE:

I'm really happy you're here Math.

Thanks.

What do you make of momrangel’s theory that there is scum in you and Mastina?

Not her and Mastina. Her and Sudo/pine.

I also think mechanically probable scum between the two of us and so did wisdom

Also i couldn't find it but i thought i saw you propose town leash and direct me and for the love of god why would you suggest that. I already have my pool reduced to four players so why would you reduce it to two and give scum a greater chance of possibly messing eith my results

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Mmm...Ok.

I intend to check between bee/love pair.

Mastina/nico seem far more beleiveable. They claimed first and i didnt see any kind of pushback from the bee or lovebird.

Also, youre essentially saying that im either scum or my role has no utility

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VOTE: notmafia

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V/LA to the 25th

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VOTE: NotMafia

Da fuq

Blatant self-preservation. You're the next biggest wagon.

This is inherently false. He's the third biggest wagon. I'm the next biggest wagon. This isn't self preservation in any sense, I think your perception is a little muddied off his actions.

[Momrangal]

Also, math. While I have some free time im gonna say my piece. Up until you blew up at nico you didn't make it clear that your gender was changed and even I was a little confused. I know you as Titus's sister and I probably would have misgendered you to and I apologize if I already did but I honestly think she was genuinely confused.

Nico is clearly town and if there is a scum mason, it's in the latter pair. I think you are letting the emotions get the better of yourself regarding your reads and while I know you and your sister (well I know your sister does, I'm assuming the same for you) prize yourselves on logic, I say see what mastina has to say tomorrow and leave that alone.

Not to mention she outright said she can't give it to me. :/

You need to straight up stop calling him she. Its disrespectful and further more, he is trying to game solve. If he can ensure me an accurate result, I don't care about what he can exactly do. He can contribute to a gamesolve then let him and go after another scum read because I know she has one.

Everyone else do the same. I'll settle on something else but I think NM would be the best lynch.

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Ive read like, three if the 10 or so new pages in the last two days and I really don't wanna do this while on vaycay.

Got to the fake mason stuff tho!

One or both are definitely scum. I feel like they both wanted me gone and both were the biggest supporters of my lynch. I feel like if they were town they would have admitted to the gambit vs push me while ignoring the fact that I can confirm their role

[Momrangal]

Also, my role is now completrly useless Dino says and does nothing but actually confirm that Nico/mastina are now masons so like... I don't understand why that doubt is still there

[Momrangal]

LLD was a mild town read for me most of the game but towards the end after I died, I had put her in my PoE. I didn't see what happened after d3 though