Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[MOMOMEN]

okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

[MOMOMEN]

fuck off lld

[MOMOMEN]

I hope one day I can reach LLD's ego while maintaining my competence, it'll be a marvelous time

[MOMOMEN]

I'm not gambitting, and I'm not a liability. You can still cop me while I'm alive. I'm also loud so you know everywhere I target (which is almost nowhere). Anyways, playerlist review time!

i) beeboy
ii) CheekyTeeky
iii) Momrangal
iv) Wisdom
v) MariaR
vi) Lovebird
vii) Lady Lambdadelta
viii) Kokichi Oma
ix) NicoRobin
x) mastina
xi) Sudowoodo [Hydra of Alisae & Pine]
xii) RedFlavor
xiii) MOMOMEN [Hydra of Eddie Cane & Killthestory]
gonna lurk but smart enough
gonna ate but smart enough
gonna be annoying
gonna tunnel but smart enough
friendsish, competence debatable, very swingy
competence debatable
gonna be annoying but smart enough
gonna ate and be annoying but smart enough
gonna do nothing
gonna wallpost more than i'm gonna read but smart enough
friendsish, smart enough
???newbie queue player, looked okay
gonna carry, smart enough

[MOMOMEN]

If he's lying scum, the fake claim is obvious motivation wise. Claim it early, it's like a miller claim but doesn't actively impact his game. There will always be people who look at that and go "oh that sounds cool, probably town for claiming it right?" and that's just off mark.

And there are always people that policy miller like claims, including myself. This is not a miller. We are coppable and targetable by any other actions. You missed the main benefit to claiming this as scum, which would be that when/if we die ours/my reads won't be completely ignored because people will doubt my alignment being antitown.

If he's lying town, it's a gambit and he'll inform us later. In that case, my opinion can change when and if I see the gambit do anything. Scum could pretend to be "gambiting" too.

The scenario is lying town, you aren't allowed to call me scum in the scenario I'm town.

If he's scum and is telling the truth, he's got a positive passive. It means that the town never knows when lylo is, because they do not know how many scum have been lynched by a magnitude of 1 dead body.

I guess?

If he's town and is telling the truth, same thing, in reverse. He's a town liability.

Again, I guess? We aren't ascetic so not really but sure.

Do I believe it likely that he is town with that ability? I don't think the odds are high. I know negatives on town exist this game (See: my restriction. I can't move my vote except every 48 hours after I vote) but that negative?

You're overblowing how negative it is.

[MOMOMEN]

The ability is a liability to lynch, am I wrong?

Like, this is part 1 of a series of questions that I want to lead to where my mind is on the ability, but let's be clear about how it works.

If we lynch you, you will not flip any alignment, correct? That is a liability due to our impaired ability to know if and when lylo exists.

It is, yea. Only on lynch though. It is an impairment, albeit a minor one. I/we plan on obv towning and forcing scum to kill us, so don't worry about that. And of course like I said below we are targetable by every role and when someone's targeted by us they'll know because we are loud. There's more to our role I'm not claiming, but this is the relevant / antitown part.

[MOMOMEN]

I

Lol, already met my quota of getting called stupid in this game

I would call you stupid if I thought you were stupid. Competence debatable is basically calling you average.

[MOMOMEN]

So in my mind, it's like, there's a lot of scum motivation to claim that role.

I would agree with this. If it helps, I've never faked miller or ascetic as scum in my history (and I've played with almost everyone in this playerlist) but that's mostly irrelevant because I think we both agree I'm not lying about my role. I can tell you why I told KTS we should claim if you'd like. He didn't really comment, just said sure.

[MOMOMEN]

Indeed

[MOMOMEN]

Vig shouldn't shoot me anyways. Scum can if they want.

[MOMOMEN]

Oh, and talk to me, not KTS for the next couple IRL days. He's gonna be following but he's not posting.

[MOMOMEN]

Nico, did you message me too?

[MOMOMEN]

Cool with that.

Anyways, topic starters!

Any benefit to mass flavour claiming rn? Any risk?

[MOMOMEN]

Actually, the chance there's roles that target flavours (ie I target Pine the flavour not Pine the user) is nonzero, and yea fair enough there aren't too many benefits.

There's a theory that Nico is scum when they're posting a lot and involved in a game, thoughts Yume?

[MOMOMEN]

I think Lovebird is town

[MOMOMEN]

You're welcome mariar

[MOMOMEN]

Why do you have my avatar

[MOMOMEN]

Nico and Sudowoodo arent partners

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: Sudowoodo

[MOMOMEN]

Please sheep me for the sake of sheeping me. Thank you for your cooperation.

VOTE: Sudowoodo

[MOMOMEN]

thats an even more anti town role than mine!

[MOMOMEN]

stop softing

[MOMOMEN]

redflavour would be a scum flavour cop!

mastina, sudowoodo vote please

[MOMOMEN]

I need a wagon on him though and Wisdom is cute!

[MOMOMEN]

Eddie why Sudo?

MOMOMEN (I'd give them the ninja, but I'm not sure it'd be wise to combine their existing negative utility with another)
NicoRobin
Momrangal
MariaR
Lovebird
Kokichi Oma
RedFlavor
beeboy
Lady Lambdadelta
Sudowoodo
CheekyTeeky
Wisdom

Readslist right now.
for some degree of clarity, LLD/beeboy/RedFlavor's positions are somewhat interchangeable since all are about the same level of 'null', but when forcing one to be higher than the other, this is the order I most felt was right, so it's what I went with.

Why are Maria and Mom town?

but more importantly

ask the mod how your role would interact with a loud modifier; if the person you gave it to was loud. watcher wouldn't be relevant for me and if loud still happens through nontracker then its a nonissue.

[MOMOMEN]

Love you're my only town read. Don't leave me :/

excuse me

[MOMOMEN]

Lovebird, Cheeky, Wisdom, Beeboy

Code: Select all

[v]Sudowoodo[/v]

[MOMOMEN]

Pagetop!

[MOMOMEN]

Also I am a town godfather.

Do we win by lynching you

VOTE: mastina

Disloyal subjects.

[MOMOMEN]

why does the sun shine bright

[MOMOMEN]

Why are Maria and Mom town?

Because reasons, obv.

ask the mod how your role would interact with a loud modifier; if the person you gave it to was loud.

The role PM specifies that it's watch-immunity and track-immunity. Not that it's a ninja. This technically SHOULD mean the person I give it to could even be followed, voyeured, detected, or other such variations. Given that, I imagine that the role SHOULDN'T impact the Loud modifier at all; Loud is not a track/watch action.

Expand if you can. Partly because I want to fine tune how to read Maria. Mostly because I don't share those reads and both are hard null for me.
Agreed PROBABLY, please confirm though.

Mastina, for example, will obviously have some sort of wallposting-related power.

I disagree. There are other aspects to Mastinas play but gonna also not dig into this any further

yes, but that's what she's known for. i have aspects to my play other than dude without an avi, but that's what i'm known for.


-


oh and if it wasnt clear

dont ask KTS anything, pretend youre just playing with eddie. we are not discussing reads or anything game related for now.

[MOMOMEN]

not helping
Are you scumreading him or is this something else

it isn't role related

[MOMOMEN]

Uh Eddie Sudo feels town.

See Wisdom? This beautiful person townreads Sudo and is STILL obliging. Why can't you be more like Cheeky?

[MOMOMEN]

Why would you want to listen to you senile grandmother talk for an hour? You wouldn't, but you still go visit her.

[MOMOMEN]

bad cheeky

[MOMOMEN]

how often do you ever move your vote more than once every 48 horus though? aren't you usually a tunnelly player?

[MOMOMEN]

eddie dies n2 probably

[MOMOMEN]

hi fam

[MOMOMEN]

mastina I want to vote someone not you
Who should it be?

Sudowoodo

[MOMOMEN]

nvm im informed sudowoodo claimed cop lol

VOTE: MariaR

[MOMOMEN]

Mafia prob don't have day talk.

I'm gonna need reasoning for this given as day chat is definitely site norm rn

[MOMOMEN]

Got an answer from the mod: it does not affect the loud modifier; it is ONLY for watches/tracks.

Any objections to mastin targeting me today/night? I am loud, so I am still effectively "tracked", and we want scum to kill me so I wasn't going to get watched anyways.

[MOMOMEN]

EDDIE. I NEED YOU.

Hello my child.

[MOMOMEN]

I have a n0 inno on mastina yes I am calling you bad

Fine I'll entertain the possibility you have an N0. How do you have one? I've never seen an n0 on MS.

Its rare, but it happens. Could explain what took so long for this game to get started too cough cough wifomfest

[MOMOMEN]

Wisdom how do you feel about Cheeky and monomom

Cheeky town
If that means momrangal null

I think it means momomen;

call me eddie for now though, because this is my game completelyish for now.

[MOMOMEN]

I am still worried about who gave me a letter to send out but I have a hunch that

everyone

got a letter they could send out.

pedit: mastina is conftown cuz I have a n0 inno on her!

oh. so yume wasn't talking to me.

[MOMOMEN]

hi fam

vote claire!

Did you select to have an inno on Mastina, or did Cheet? Can you say how its worded (paraphrased)? Like, "Mastina is aligned with the town"?

[MOMOMEN]

mastina I want to vote someone not you
Who should it be?

Sudowoodo

YOU ARE FUCKING BAD AT THIS GAME READ THE GAME AND VOTE CLAIRE

I voted Claire before I saw this post ironically. I don't townread you. <3

[MOMOMEN]

mastina I want to vote someone not you
Who should it be?
Sudowoodo

YOU ARE FUCKING BAD AT THIS GAME READ THE GAME AND VOTE CLAIRE

Actually Eddie Cane is probably one of the best two overall scumhunters in this entire playerlist. Certainly top-three at the very least. (The other two would be Wisdom although I admit it's possible he's atrophied and LLD when she gets "in the zone".)

I actually trust his opinion quite a lot. Not absolutely, but enough where I certainly am listening quite intently to what he is saying.

Ali knows this/me, e's just kidding around. Its not real anger Pine probably does too, but that's Ali typing I think

[MOMOMEN]

nvm im informed sudowoodo claimed cop lol
VOTE: MariaR

VERY FUCKING BAD REASON TO WRITE THEM OFF AS TOWN.
I know the EXACT nature of their innocent on me.

And I am telling you it is NOT something which makes them town in any way shape nor form.

If you townread them off of other merits, by all rights do so.
But that is the last fucking thing you should townread them off of. Please trust me on this, I am speaking on fucking role-based merits here. The nature of Sudowoodo's confirmation of my alignment makes ME town but does NOTHING about Sudowoodo's alignment.

See and I posted my below q about the inno before I saw this post. I'm a fuckin PSYCHIC

I don't townread Sudo. JS. There's other reasons to move votes.

[MOMOMEN]

Got an answer from the mod: it does not affect the loud modifier; it is ONLY for watches/tracks.

Any objections to mastin targeting me today/night? I am loud, so I am still effectively "tracked", and we want scum to kill me so I wasn't going to get watched anyways.

This is currently submitted as of right now btw. I can change it any time before the end of day if you raise an argument to the contrary.

Actually its probably /better/ I can't get watched. Scum won't be afraid of a random Watcher if they want to kill me.

[MOMOMEN]

Actually tbh I might start refusing to play with mastina if she keeps on pushing me as wolf every game I know its not intentional and tbf I like being IC'd but its not fun to deal with it really isn't.

pedit: Its MU style. Mastina is aligned with the town.

Did you select Mastina or was it part of your initial role pm?

[MOMOMEN]

okay. Who do you lynch on a maria scumflip (other than me)?

@mastina

I don't think this kind of question is overly important. It also heavily depends on wagonomics and we can't know those about a lynch that hasn't happened yet.

[MOMOMEN]

part of me wanted to call Sud town because I don't think scum them pushes me like this when they openly knew I was rly excited for this but I wouldn't put it past ali after a certain game to do anything to win so that's my mistake.
Pedit:

Mastina is openly dodging my questions

Mastina is being called conf town, and if the team is Sudowoodo and Mastina we'll get there.

[MOMOMEN]

I keep thinking my posts are momo and laughing at myself and realizing no wait those are me thats my avi

[MOMOMEN]

part of me wanted to call Sud town because I don't think scum them pushes me like this when they openly knew I was rly excited for this but I wouldn't put it past ali after a certain game to do anything to win so that's my mistake.
Pedit:

Mastina is openly dodging my questions

Mastina is being called conf town, and if the team is Sudowoodo and Mastina we'll get there.

Who tf cares about that you still openly answer questions mafia is a team game and if the town doesn't have teamwork we're not going to get far

Let's try again. Quote the questions she hasn't answered.

[MOMOMEN]

I asked her to show meta for what points to me scum
I have also asked sud this and none of this has been posted
they both have openly said this is why I'm scum yet nothing to back it up
If I am scum they should be able to show this easily and help case me for others to see that I'm scum. Instead Ali is just telling people to vote me while mastina is ignoring me

when i vote people for meta i'm usually too lazy to post this,

but their turn.

[MOMOMEN]

Huh

[MOMOMEN]

I have a lot of stuff to pr ocess

[MOMOMEN]

I DECLARE EDDIE CANE

[MOMOMEN]

How is this at 20 pages already. I'm not even looking forward to reading this, but I will.

Every time I open this thread it doubles in length. Magic!

[MOMOMEN]

okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

Lynch this claim.

Why?

It ain't town. "I don't actually flip when I'm lynched" is like, not town.

I don't think it's that deep. I think that's NAI. Based on what I've seen from Eddie Cane in games, he sometimes posts a random "Eddie Cane" post, so I'm assuming that's just a flavor and NAI. So, I don't like how you're trying to put a policy lynch on him for it. Unless you've never played with Eddie Cane before? Then I suppose that would be different.

Huh? I was pretty clear that was a role claim lol

[MOMOMEN]

I don't think I ate, and I don't think I've played with Eddie Cane enough ( I don't know who the other person is) for him to have a read like that for me, so he could just be making up this whole list.

Okay Gerry

[MOMOMEN]

{LLD, Claire, Kokichi} is the solve btw.

If you're town that's a semi feasible solve ya

[MOMOMEN]

Whoever got me should be a lie detector, if the mod knows anything about me.

In the event that there could be a lie detector this game, everyone should make a post that only says "I am aligned with the town."

There's better ways to break a Lie Detector. "Eddie Cane and MariaR are aligned with town". Double cop, and if it turns up a negative we get a confirmed 1v1 and another player is then conf town if you lynch correctly. Covers way more ground. Or, "Eddie Cane and MariaR share an alignment". Either we become masons to each other or again we 1v1. Scale it up to three people if you want for the first question: "Eddie Cane, Mariar, and Sudowoodo are aligned with town". Its effective for verifying townblocs. Just using it as a cop is suboptimal.

[MOMOMEN]

I should probably claim that ability in fact.
I am a compulsive D1 permanent-track/watch-immune-inventor.

As in.

I am required to make one person (and sadly, it does specify "ANOTHER player" so no self-targeting to make sure it lands on town) in the game, by the end of D1, be track/watch immune. If I don't submit anyone, it's randomized. I'll let you know who I am selecting; it'll be among my largest townreads for obvious reasons.

What was the point of claiming this? You could have just given it to one of your strongest townreads without claiming.

Again, we've gone over the point of claiming this.

[MOMOMEN]

MOMOMEN (I'd give them the ninja, but I'm not sure it'd be wise to combine their existing negative utility with another)
NicoRobin
Momrangal
MariaR
Lovebird
Kokichi Oma
RedFlavor
beeboy
Lady Lambdadelta
Sudowoodo
CheekyTeeky
Wisdom

Readslist right now.
for some degree of clarity, LLD/beeboy/RedFlavor's positions are somewhat interchangeable since all are about the same level of 'null', but when forcing one to be higher than the other, this is the order I most felt was right, so it's what I went with.

Why am I even on this list? I made one post and it was about me just being busy? I'm literally 1 person below someone you called town in one of your posts. Hopefully you explained this later.

Useless empty commentary #3. Dun Dun Dun.

[MOMOMEN]

Please read my 559 and place down a vote please or engage with it.

I will support Kokichi, Claire, or LLD wagons.

Thank you.

No. I wallpost better.

[MOMOMEN]

Why the fuck is Lovebird town, Sudo?

Why didn't you question my townread of Love o.o

[MOMOMEN]

feel free to submit your paragon nominations for me now.

why aren't you lurking this game

is caring a scumtell beebopaloozo?

[MOMOMEN]

At page 27. Going out buh bye. #ChronologicalReading

[MOMOMEN]

In all seriousness Yume I've obvtowned myself by now but if you actually tried to READ me you would see that.

You also know I am not good at reads on D1 and D the rest......

why did you post this?is there an expectation yume should be able to read you?

[MOMOMEN]

Wis atleast you're not dealing with Kiana.
RC pushed Kiana Kaslana a lot and Kiana called him a misogynist

Kiana is a guy

[MOMOMEN]

Knowing who Kiana was, it was pretty funny

oh you got there yourself lmao

[MOMOMEN]

Seems you know everything about this game Yume. It's weirding me out that this is the most I've ever seen you post, more than 2 games with you combined, but then you were lurking so. Is there any reason you're more animated in some games over others?

active involved yume is generally scum yume. her ignoring me bringing that up earlier doesnt change that.

[MOMOMEN]

And there you have it. The reason I scumread Wisdom is because he voted her in the beginning. It's not much, but it is enough for me on D1.

that's not a valid reason to scumread. please try again.

[MOMOMEN]

I still dont see how that's a crumb

Also I certainly don't say such things

I do

[MOMOMEN]

/done talking to Nico

Does anyone know why Momrangal also votes me for voting mastina

Of course you are, you've gotta continue your ego trip, after all.

Wis has actually been fairly reasonable!
It’s actually kind of disturbing

I've seen wis being a dick

this isnt yhat

[MOMOMEN]

Mastina
Nici
Kokichi

Sudowoodo
Momomen
Wisdom?
LLD
Beeboy

Cheeky

Red
Lovebird
MariaR

pretty weird reads

[MOMOMEN]

Kay

I feel like both Red and Lovebird have some townish posts but I also townread them less than others so meh you could be right

I dont remember any red posts enlighten me on the towniness?

[MOMOMEN]

NicoRobin is stupidly obvious town btw.

yeah

well guys things that are stupidly obvious to stupid people aren't always smartly obvious to smart people so if you could explain it to my kind that would be appreciated

[MOMOMEN]

I dont wanr ro lynch yume

[MOMOMEN]

Masonize: Alisae

If this fails and alisae is scum, then one of Claire or LLD is scum. Likely LLD since I think Maki is towny from her responses.

Kokichi: I have a very strong gut feeling this is a Mason crumb. Someone else sent us a message claiming Mason, not with you. Claiming is totally worth blowing your cover, 100%.

is this where the game breaks?

[MOMOMEN]

Okay
At the start of the game Yume sent us mail saying she was masons with mastina
in attempt to get Cheeky to calm down, I announced a N0 Inno on mastina
Hence why that happened.

I don't have a N0 inno on mastina
that was made under the assumption that mastina was a mason.

BUT

Recent events have shown that a 2ND pair of masons has surfaced.

Hence why I am outing this information.

I think its fairly obvious who the 2nd pair are, and I really hate the fact that I'm doing things this way.

aka
mastina and Yume are not masons.

Big shocker.

who's the second group?lol

[MOMOMEN]

lowkey outing the mason thing was not very useful for the town lol

theres more I need to proceed too when I'm not on mobile

[MOMOMEN]

Hope you're having a laugh behind your screen ali love it when I tell you how excited I am for this game and scum you just comes in and power lynches my ass.

She wouldn't make this post as scum.

I disagree

[MOMOMEN]

But she is right, we're not masons. I sent that message to them to test them. If they were really town, they would have discussed which of the 'mason' pairs were more likely, rather than jumping ship immediately upon seeing a new shiny info appears. They were looking for an opening to discredit us for quite a while, and they took it the moment it reared its head.

[MOMOMEN]

How is this at 20 pages already. I'm not even looking forward to reading this, but I will.

Every time I open this thread it doubles in length. Magic!

hello EDDIE CANE

hey

I have some messages and just

this game is fun I'm enjoying it fick the haters

[MOMOMEN]

There is an easy way to solve this. Lynch me. After I flip town, burn the woody one.

shut up

[MOMOMEN]

UNVOTE:

I might need to call in the cavalry. Be back after work.

[MOMOMEN]

YUME: you should know what I'm conflicted about.

[MOMOMEN]

if you're mason I consider your play gamethrowing

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: Wisdom

[MOMOMEN]

i wanted to vote Kokichi but voting mastina and nico at this point is pretty dumb

[MOMOMEN]

I keep thinking about how I can't explain why I'm enjoying this game but I am a lot

[MOMOMEN]

Maybe its just seeing my avi. Momo brings a smile to my face.

[MOMOMEN]

i wanted to vote Kokichi but voting mastina and nico at this point is pretty dumb

because of what? There are no fucking masons and whoever takes yume seriously is laughable

Because I'm basically a god of townplay.

[MOMOMEN]

My thoughts are for now Mastina and Nico are invalid votes and I consider pushing them scum/shitclaiming. Koki is a fine vote.

[MOMOMEN]

No time to wallpost. Actually, I have time, I just don't feel like doing it.

My PoE rn is roughly {RedFlavor, Woody, Kokichi, LLD, Mom, Wisdom, MariaR}.
Right now I'm looking to lynch Woody, Kokichi, LLD, Mom, or Wisdom mostly.

[MOMOMEN]

Their mastinayume posting is really fuckin bad

[MOMOMEN]

If we get to the point that I suddenly want to powerlynch them we can talk more. For now, sure.

Want to make any of the others a wagon?

[MOMOMEN]

Because I have Elli's tell on Mastina. Or a n0 inno. Or I'm reaction testing. Doesn't matter right now.

VOTE: Kokichi

Maria, stop.

[MOMOMEN]

then its mastina and kokichi?

let's focus on mastina for now

Don't associate with scum. Bad for your health.

[MOMOMEN]

Then vote Wisdom. Mastina is invalid. You should know I should be trusted on this.

[MOMOMEN]

I get triggered when people hit their spouse

[MOMOMEN]

Eddie why do you scum read LLD?

Dont really scumread but dont townread

[MOMOMEN]

i wanted to vote Kokichi but voting mastina and nico at this point is pretty dumb

Then vote me. Talk is cheap

I voted you before you posted this

[MOMOMEN]

No time to wallpost. Actually, I have time, I just don't feel like doing it.

My PoE rn is roughly {RedFlavor, Woody, Kokichi, LLD, Mom, Wisdom, MariaR}.
Right now I'm looking to lynch Woody, Kokichi, LLD, Mom, or Wisdom mostly.

How is that a PoE that's literally half the game

Because its "literally half the game" 3 scum in 7 is better than 3 scum in 13 lmao

[MOMOMEN]

Ok unrelated question but if you have a public cop (keep in mind its public)
do you target null reads or people you think are scum?

I think null reads cause you want both green/red results to help you.
But I had a lot of people disagree with me on this.

no
do it on people that are hard to read and will be an asset if town, and generally better to do it on someone who fits this bill who is also being somewhat suspected. if I had a day cop public rn it would be on lld or Wis.

[MOMOMEN]

i)

beeboy

ii)

CheekyTeeky

iii) Momrangal
iv)

Wisdom

v) MariaR
vi)

Lovebird

vii) Lady Lambdadelta
viii) Kokichi Oma
ix) NicoRobin
x) mastina
xi) Sudowoodo [Hydra of Alisae & Pine]
xii)

RedFlavor

xiii) MOMOMEN [Hydra of Eddie Cane & Killthestory]

Feels ok.

back in the poe you go

[MOMOMEN]

Lovebird is literally obvious town????

Literally?

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: wisdom

[MOMOMEN]

eddie finally let me out of the basement to post.

[MOMOMEN]

this game is very emotional, and i'd like it not to be that way. if you guys could mindmeld or butt heads civilly, that'd be awesome. it's hard enough to read through this, but it's getting harder the more people's pride begins getting hurt. i appreciate all of you, but the game's gonna turn into awful if people don't keep control over themselves. thanks, guys. : )

@Sudowoodo, i think you're town. who should i iso.

[MOMOMEN]

this game is very emotional, and i'd like it not to be that way. if you guys could mindmeld or butt heads civilly, that'd be awesome. it's hard enough to read through this, but it's getting harder the more people's pride begins getting hurt. i appreciate all of you, but the game's gonna turn into awful if people don't keep control over themselves. thanks, guys. : )

@Sudowoodo, i think you're town. who should i iso.

No one you should sheep beeboy B)

no thank you.

i was isoing people anyway, i just wanted to see what you said. hrm.

[MOMOMEN]

Ok YOLOKILL

that was fun.

inb4 KTS is obvious town but only in a neighborhood I don't have access to.

lol, the sod and eod were so killer it was hard to do anything else but obv!town in that neighborhood.

also, gonna park right here quick while i organize my thoughts along with my read. VOTE: MariaR

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: beeboy

-eddie

[MOMOMEN]

you absolute dickhead

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: wisdom

[MOMOMEN]

{cheeky, eddie, yume, mastina} are aligned with town

good start

[MOMOMEN]

you not rock, you tree

[MOMOMEN]

I am 99.9% sure this is going to be a hard game btw.

it actually isn’t

[MOMOMEN]

alisae loves turds

[MOMOMEN]

beeboy I just saecastically insulted all of our supre special discord!!

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: Momrangel

this is wolf one hundred percent of the time. i’ll message Eddie about it, but i’m confident in this read. my track record d1 as villa is prett good, so just go ahead and sheep me instead of being ridiculous.

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: Momrangel

this is wolf one hundred percent of the time. i’ll message Eddie about it, but i’m confident in this read. my track record d1 as villa is prett good, so just go ahead and sheep me instead of being ridiculous.

ew
mara is town

bookmarked for postgame

[MOMOMEN]

kts just let eddie play if youre going to be useless

I don’t appreciate you being condescending and emotionally charged, but I especially don’t appreciate you being wrong and e,optionally charged.

play better or stop talking to me. that simple lmao.

[MOMOMEN]

yay more game ruiners

shut up

[MOMOMEN]

okay convince me mara is scum then

no i’m done engaging you

bye

[MOMOMEN]

love, nico, bee boy all v off the top of my head. Maria is playing similar to the hydra game where they were town, but I’m really not used to her playing like this now or before. it’s like really a downgrade from last time I played, and I don’t mean that as an insult. it’s just, the way they get their opinion across has deteriorated and is now just bad ate. idk, i’m waffling on the slot because mainly there’s lots of scummy ppl in it.

I dislike Mom and think that’s a wolf. idk wisdoms scum game, but he’s a little too aggressive in such a way that it’s reminiscent of his town game. the other hydra is ok, but aliases actually solves as a hydra. feels pockety and not actually giving me good looks into their process without it looking convoluted or just flat out scummy.

leaving mastina and lld I’m gonna reread before sitting on them as an alignment. Red iirc reminds me off his town games, but I not think his scum game would be different either. His style isn’t hard to replicate. I’ve got to read over the unknowns, too.

[MOMOMEN]

Tell

me

why mara is scum then please. Also stfu pine you're worthless (B

why are you so use in this game?

i’ll make a detailed post maybe momentarily, but maybe not. I want to have fun, but I seem one of the only ones lmao. It’s kind of aids.

[MOMOMEN]

rude*

[MOMOMEN]

thanks.

they can fit in my wolf poe for right now.

[MOMOMEN]

My pine post was a joke I thought the (B face made that clear. I haven't been rude blunt? Yes but not rude. I'm having fun playing mafia as is everyone here or we wouldn't be playing it KTS

i’ve seen a lot of borderline posts that just irk me this game, but lol ur post flew past me.

[MOMOMEN]

I think LLD is town. They don’t make a whole lot of sense, but they’re still aggressive on it and very pushy later on, they get sort of ate esque later on in a way that feels good. it’s flimsy though, and not enough to write them off. don’t want to push there today. gotta look into mastina

[MOMOMEN]

she feels like town-mara, havent seen anything to make me worry

she hasn’t actually done anything that brought her to attention? it’s purposeful avoiding attention and intent to play to their meta without actually playing like a townie. they rarely make pushes, but frequent shading others while also offering flimsy tmi reads is super scummy.

[MOMOMEN]

You're not wrong about laying low. Not scum tho

I see.

VOTE: MariaR
let’s talk

@Mom where you at in reads?

[MOMOMEN]

my locks are bad only nico, lovebird are town.

[MOMOMEN]

I don’t know if this is as good a look for beeboy as originally thought

[MOMOMEN]

beeboy has a weird case of making too much sense, tmi reads, and not very aggressive pushing either. he too isn’t laying low while also being clumsily townread for odd reasons. i’ve wolfed with beeboy, and this is his wolfrange, too?

[MOMOMEN]

yall are bad

-eddie

[MOMOMEN]

these flimsy townreads and general poe's that contain 1 wolf max is silly

[MOMOMEN]

after mastina does a thing, we should just hammer someone. probably Maria, wisdom, or kokichi. this is the point where extending the day isnt gonna help anything. we have enough interactions to sort.

[MOMOMEN]

1440 kts. 41 42 eddie. we are trying to sign sorry

[MOMOMEN]

Actually. This is annoying. VOTE: kokichi just lynch me and then sheep my reads. Every time I'm town and this happens day 1 I end up being right usually. Based in early game cheeky is scum. Lynch that tomorrow. Maria is lock town, mastina is town

can we policy this

[MOMOMEN]

like if you don't get it yet I don't know what to tell you

if your gonna claim masons do it or fuck off

[MOMOMEN]

this is aids

later i'll maybe post again someday

[MOMOMEN]

wisdom maria kikuchi

its solved goodbye folks

[MOMOMEN]

yo ali show me how to block posts cause eddie and kts are aiding up the thread rn

ironic

[MOMOMEN]

yknow what maria honestly i just spent 15 minutes consoling kts because you (and others) are being dumbasses, pricks, and various other insulting words i don't feel like thinking of so fuck off

[MOMOMEN]

I feel kinda bad reading this game knowing I am putting in 5% of the effort everyone else is.

you can keep saying that but its not true lmao

[MOMOMEN]

I think i am going to stop playing mafia unless i’m purposely memeing tbh
I mostly just hate my own play and being always wrong and being incompetent

if you think about it, you're only about 25% likely to be right about any given SR. if you get to the point you're 40% accurate you're an amazing player, and 50%+ is legend status. being wrong is part of playing mafia, just be okay with that! Also, don't be arrogant about being wrong like some people (Quick, Robb, I can go on for a long time lmao) and you're good. there was that one dude andy who came here from town of salem and he was a complete newbie and nobody gave him a hard time besides the scum team because as long as you're fun to play with nobody really cares how good you are.

{Cheeky, Claire, Kokichi, Bee, Yume, EDDIE CANE, Lovebird} These are locktown if there is a wolf here it is Yume.
The leftovers are {Redflavor, Wis, Mara, LLD, mastina} Wolfteam is in here most likely.

Redflavor Wis Mara?

Pretty close to my PoE. I have my post completed and in a draft right now, but I'm waiting for KTS and for Mastina so its a surprise! That solve is not my first pick but is possible.

[MOMOMEN]

LLD is a good bet for scum if I could get to the point of Maria and Kokichi lock town. Nobody wants to help me get to that point though so :shrug:

[MOMOMEN]

why are you intentionally making my life difficult yume :/

[MOMOMEN]

my friend offered to make me meatloaf, pasta, cheese and crackers, steak, watermelon, or sushi. which should i take? i know sushi is the obvious answer but last time he made sushi the rice ended up red

[MOMOMEN]

LLD is a good bet for scum if I could get to the point of Maria and Kokichi lock town. Nobody wants to help me get to that point though so :shrug:

I don't think scum-Kokichi threatens to replace out and then selfvotes on top of it
Maybe one of the two, but a scum that uses those as weapons most likely thinks using two one after another is too much and doesn't do it

they're both players known for AtE, though ya, i don't think they have to be a team. what makes maria town?

[MOMOMEN]

1511 shows me yume is reading so little it makes me legitimately angry

[MOMOMEN]

Momo is town

That's all folks

pocket attempt denied

[MOMOMEN]

i think that sudo interacted with beeboy in a very scummy way. it looked like sudo was trying to buddy beeboy and encourage him to make reads for no particular reason since she never actually commented on any of these reads. the slot hasn't done any of the analysis and thinking i usually see and expect from town, and their sort of aggressive in a way that doesn't solve the game but creates more confusion. i'm conscious that both players in that slot are good town players, and i really enjoyed playing with alisae and bear in the hydra mash. here, at least alisae is nothing like that.

i think mom has just been completely avoiding attention. they admit they do this, and i'm hesitant to push there because i either caught a wolf or a power role that's good for town. they looked like they softed power role, so i'm not too fond with pushing them today. however, i think despite this their behavior still aligns with what i'd expect a wolf to do. they avoid making strong pushes, a lot of their reads are soft tmi reads, and they have no real thought process for me to follow that i can prove its town.

i think flavor still isn't any particular range, but i don't like the buddy attempts without actually pushing a slot they think is town. they instead sheep votes, and i'd hope that town flavor understands that i need something to concrete to go off their slot while scum red hopes i can't read their slot.

i also really dislike the whole kokichi thing. i don't want to call it fake because it probably isn't, but i really just hate it. i might be biased because all the ate is pissing me off, but like, it's just disgusting and means nothing to me. all the players i've played with on this site have tried ate'ing me as wolves, and it's getting too be recurrent and silly. i'm just going to lynch the slot if it doesn't actually offer good thoughts and resorts to getting townread through means that aren't right.
i also think cheeky has the potential to be deep. i read earlier that they fake making no sense and being nonsensical, and it's sort of the vibe i'm getting. a lot of their posting doesn't make sense, but there also isn't a typical town fire in their posts that i like to see. it's just LISTEN TO ME I WRITE IN CAPS AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU or listen to me you're stupid i disagree with you. town try to push their thoughts through any means by thinking through them and offering their own justified perspective while cheeky just wants to yell. furthermore, i feel like there would typically be a bit of waffling made there by town if people are telling them what they're saying is wrong. i know it happened with me. just reads as fake.

i think a lot of the game is also screaming vt's, and i really just don't want to play with that. it's aids to read through it, and it's aids to be told i'm blocked and that i'm throwing the game because i offer opinions that differ from others. this game hasn't been enjoyable so far, and i'd really like to change that. like, i get sometimes people get frustrated, but you're getting frustrated over a game and causing distress to other people. it's just not cool. pls play the game like it's meant to be bc i'm already not having a good time and am at the point where i just want to not post, and that's been about the way every single game i've played here as gone. hint, i've caught at least 2 wolves each day 1 in the completed games i've played, and during those times, ppl constantly talked shit to me. it's so tiring.

[MOMOMEN]

alright i'm going to disappear again. apathy engage.

bye

[MOMOMEN]

oh fuck some of that wasn't meant for the game thread

my bad

[MOMOMEN]

Bee and Sudo (at least 1 of the heads) are really good friends Eddie so I don't think it's really that awk considering it's coming from them. Don't know if you knew that I think you're bias with kokichi due to past shit. Mon I agree with you on. What's your take on mastina

i'm kts.

i also didn't know bee and sudo were friends, but in that case, i still think it's a pocketing attempt. like, if they were friends, sudo would be asking opinions in a different way. not only that, but they'd

actually consider the ideas presented.

it's like, why go through all that time asking beeboy to catchup without actually commenting or engaging with most of the stuff he's said? that's just useless and a waste of time for beeboy.

i just don't like ate. it's kind of prevalent on this site in a way i've never seen before, and it's starting to really wear me down.

mastina i think is town for reasons i might go into later.

[MOMOMEN]

i'd rather like to not chew anybody out.

[MOMOMEN]

Tbh Mara was pinging me this entire time but everyone agreeing with that read is making me second guess it heavily.

same

[MOMOMEN]

i think beeboy's progression is real.

[MOMOMEN]

His case on me is bs. He goes from hard TRing me to SRing me when I stop sheeping his reads. Also, I yelled in one post, he's misrepping my play and is clearly oblivious to my playstyle. Feels like his reads had to change with everything coming out.

i didn't really case you, and i never hard townread you. that was eddie. no, you definitely yelled a lot, and you've been sort of toxic. regardless of if i'm oblivious to your playstyle, others are not, and i've read what they had to say about you. my reads are my own. eddie's are his own.

this post has a lot of inconsistencies and not a lot of proper reasoning.

[MOMOMEN]

being townread is cool, but i'd so much rather prefer it if people engaged with my reads instead. announcing your townread on me just gets me killed tonight.

[MOMOMEN]

everyone that i know or knew is pretty damn different, so if that were reasoning for someone being scum, i could case half the damn game.

[MOMOMEN]

You continue treating me like you have a guilty on me when I have done nothing to warrant it

You know, there's an old EpicMafia saying which is usually laughed at for being ridiculous, but fuckit it needs to be said:

WHY ME = FRY ME.

i thought this was pretty reasonable by wisdom

[MOMOMEN]

please stop arguing like this.

tell wisdom why he's scum so he can tell you why you're wrong. it's how mafia works. not passive aggressive ego measuring. i'm trying to read u, pls.

[MOMOMEN]

please don't call anyone's ears deaf either lol.

[MOMOMEN]

tell wisdom why he's scum so he can tell you why you're wrong. it's how mafia works. not passive aggressive ego measuring.

What mafiascum games do you play where the latter isn't exactly how it works???

that's why i tend to avoid mafiascum

[MOMOMEN]

i thought this was pretty reasonable by wisdom

Not particularly, actually.

Wisdom is displaying a particular attitude which follows the mindset of a scum player.

Care to guess what I am

actually

talking about? (The why me fry me was just my tongue-in-cheek way of joking about it.)

yeah, he's pretty defensive about people he's scumreading which is always a bad look. however, considering the gamestate, i don't think it's much of a stretch to go as far and say he could also do this as town? i've been pretty defensive as town, too, and it's a lot of the time based on context of the game. this one has been pretty toxic fmpov, and it seems fine that he feels he has to defend himself as scumreads have been very inconsistent and a flash wagon could appear on anyone.

please stop arguing like this.

tell wisdom why he's scum so he can tell you why you're wrong. it's how mafia works. not passive aggressive ego measuring. i'm trying to read u, pls.

Initially, it was because he voted mastina, but now that scum read has increased, due to him refusing to back off no matter what I say. Also, he is in cahoots with Su hydra to try and discredit us.

so because he's pushing a scumread you're scumreading him? that's kind of silly. both scum and town can tunnel people. i also dislike discrediting you guys, but i think that's more on a personal level. definitely not okay, but definitely not related to his alignment within what i've seen, and i think you've done the same to him.

ftr, i'm not defending wisdom. i'm open to listening to scumreads on him, but these scumreads aren't as much to go off of as people claim compared to other people i've seen.

[MOMOMEN]

Why would I self vote if I was Mason. This is why this game is cancer

why would you self vote in general? the only reason it's cancer is because when people like YOU get frustrated or feel panicked, they resort to a strategy that will earn them easy towncred without them actually playing well for said townread. it's not cool, and you're not off the hook just because you can whine in thread. please stop and actually play mafia.

[MOMOMEN]

so because he's pushing a scumread you're scumreading him? that's kind of silly.

Not silly at all if his so-called scumread is my mason partner.....

in a role madness game where he scumreads both of you, that doesn't seem like it comes more from town than scum.

and even then, being inconsistent and not making a whole lot of sense is typically a town tell (player specific)

[MOMOMEN]

@wisdom, confirm or deny this?

[MOMOMEN]

Why would I self vote if I was Mason. This is why this game is cancer

why would you self vote in general? the only reason it's cancer is because when people like YOU get frustrated or feel panicked, they resort to a strategy that will earn them easy towncred without them actually playing well for said townread. it's not cool, and you're not off the hook just because you can whine in thread. please stop and actually play mafia.

I've self hammered before as town because it was best for the game, I nailed 3 of the mafia in that said game (And of course no one listened) So, I'm expecting the same here. I'm not doing this for towncred, I'm doing whats best for the game so we can move tf on. it's already 60 pages and still day 1

you expect this to convince me that what you're doing is with good intentions when it really isn't lol

[MOMOMEN]

lol okay?

[MOMOMEN]

i leave for a couple minutes, and ppl get aids again

come on, people

[MOMOMEN]

The school of Elli says that bullshit makes people easier to read.

sort of

[MOMOMEN]

I dont particularly think the post you quoted was scummy?

It's an agenda based read

lolok

[MOMOMEN]

Does anyone still think Sudo might be scum or have a good reason they are town
Poe keeps leading me there

i think they're scum

[MOMOMEN]

Aka not natural bee

I dont particularly think there is a solid agenda calling either of us scum. Neither of us get lynched.

the read isn’t natural because after kts was informed that we know each other really well he continues to try to justify it instead of taking in new information

sorry does it come off as biased when i say this is entirely misconstrued and wolfy?

[MOMOMEN]

what the fuck

these mason claims are bullshit

[MOMOMEN]

agenda based is so vague and terrible that it's just hilarious that you keep recycling it as a way to scumread me LOL

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: momo
Like bee look about how they’re talking about my slot its really scummy

they realized that i, the glorious kts, have outted them. this is their only option.

[MOMOMEN]

lol

[MOMOMEN]

Cheeky is probably town if I am a wolf

um

[MOMOMEN]

Cheeky is probably town if I am a wolf

um

wut

i've only ever seen wolves say these type of things lol

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: sudo

[MOMOMEN]

Cheeky is probably town if I am a wolf

um

wut

i've only ever seen wolves say these type of things lol

i’ve only ever seen wolves turn every single possible post into a scumpost lol

my progression's been pretty real on you. for some reason, you can't handle being scumread lmao.

[MOMOMEN]

Cheeky is probably town if I am a wolf

um

wut

i've only ever seen wolves say these type of things lol

i’ve only ever seen wolves turn every single possible post into a scumpost lol

my progression's been pretty real on you. for some reason, you can't handle being scumread lmao.

isn’t that an indication that you’re wrong?

not on this site. seems every wolf and their mother likes to ate like nobodies business, and nothing you've said here is anything that a wolf hasn't done to me in my small return to the site.

basically what i mean by that is frozen lol

[MOMOMEN]

oh fuck some of that wasn't meant for the game thread

my bad

remember when i said post that on discord so i could post off of it

>_>

karma got u kappa

[MOMOMEN]

Bee and Sudo (at least 1 of the heads) are really good friends Eddie so I don't think it's really that awk considering it's coming from them. Don't know if you knew that I think you're bias with kokichi due to past shit. Mon I agree with you on. What's your take on mastina

I know Bee and Ali are besties. Its still awk. I play to pocket Giga and JJ and my other friends when I'm scum most of the time, because town!me would play to "pocket" them too.

[MOMOMEN]

Btw, Eddie. I know that you are pretty sure that Nico's town, but you're probably looking for something more. I believe if you look here:

Except that she does. Have you read her wiki at all? It clearly says in there she puts as much stock in early game interactions as she does for those in later game

...You should find what you're looking for. At least, I think. (Honestly not too sure how, just from my understanding this is what you're after.)

I didn't see the word.

[MOMOMEN]

VOTE: MOMOMEN

I'm more disappointed in you than you could possibly imagine.

[MOMOMEN]

Momomen is still town btw.
There read on me isn't faked as far as I can tell.

I still also think they are actively trying to sort people and shit.
Like they just seem obvious town.

That's basically my scum MO lol

but ya we are obviously town here to KICK SOME ASS

[MOMOMEN]

beeboy has a weird case of making too much sense, tmi reads, and not very aggressive pushing either. he too isn’t laying low while also being clumsily townread for odd reasons. i’ve wolfed with beeboy, and this is his wolfrange, too?

I don't know I think this is kinda legit.
He recognized a few things he has seen me do as town in the past, sees that those are missing and find that odd.
"TMI reads" is just a common thing he uses to scum hunt as town which is another town tell.

And like he recognizes that all the people town reading me are kinda doing it for aggressively flimsy reasoning.

good job kts!

[MOMOMEN]

my friend offered to make me meatloaf, pasta, cheese and crackers, steak, watermelon, or sushi. which should i take? i know sushi is the obvious answer but last time he made sushi the rice ended up red

Well, given this:

Except that she does. Have you read her wiki at all? It clearly says in there she puts as much stock in early game interactions as she does for those in later game

You should have your meal prepared already.

Actually the power went out so I didn't eat anything.

(unless I'm blind I'm still hungry lol)

[MOMOMEN]

His case on me is bs. He goes from hard TRing me to SRing me when I stop sheeping his reads. Also, I yelled in one post, he's misrepping my play and is clearly oblivious to my playstyle. Feels like his reads had to change with everything coming out.

Again, shame. You're better than this.