Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Lovebird]

VOTE: math

Why did you pick 2

[Lovebird]

Btw, I asked a friend if I should pick 6 or 7. I thought 7, but she said 6. Annoying.

[Lovebird]

I think everyone so far is town

[Lovebird]

VOTE: ircher

[Lovebird]

Hey how lovely you posted the first 5 pages overnight

Hmm I'm unsure of SIMYK being town this early? Wouldn't reasoning around the draft be WIFOM territory?

VOTE: The Janitor

Serious question tho

Wonder if scum thinks that math took it as a joke.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: A50 for being salty I got the nr1 spot with nr1.

Scummy

[Lovebird]

I think everyone so far is town

I hope ur town so I don't have to try and get you lynched again (and fail miserably)

I'm town

[Lovebird]

hi, i'm town
VOTE: Beefster

hi, i'm town
VOTE: Beefster

AUSUKA-CHAN!!!!!!! ヾ(｡･ω･)ｼ

It has been a while since I last espied thou!

HOWEVER with that vote you arent realy convincing me of that (⊙△⊙✿)

hi!

the vote on beefster is because he's openly giving up his role for basically no reason while accusing math of rolefishing. doesn't seem like a real thought to me. "Hey, this person voted me based on draft analysis. They must be scum rolefishing me! Also, I'll claim, because that makes a lot of sense as a thing to do in this scenario."

On an unrelated note, I ?think? I know who janitor is.

the vote on beefster is because he's openly giving up his role for basically no reason while accusing math of rolefishing. doesn't seem like a real thought to me. "Hey, this person voted me based on draft analysis. They must be scum rolefishing me! Also, I'll claim, because that makes a lot of sense as a thing to do in this scenario."

I mean I DO agree that the thought process DOESN'T make sense BUT scum would also be aware of this and probably NOT think like this Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

Like it relay... doesn't make sense to claim because a townie is ROLEFIHSING you...

Yeah, it doesn't make sense it makes even less sense to claim, on page 1, because a scumread is rolefishing you.

I think generally if someone does something that doesn't make sense if they're town, they're scum. I do often see scum taking refuge in audacity, doing things that make no sense so people are like "why do that as scum?"

Ausuka is scum

VOTE: Ausuka

[Lovebird]

Going to make up for not pushing read in mafia month enough.

[Lovebird]

It really makes me feel like you wanna appear active while not having to take a stance, and I scumread you for it.
My vote isn't RVS.

Awkward

[Lovebird]

Lovebird, you stated that the people on page 1 are town, can you provide some reasoning, and has that changed for you?

They were towny. Idk, will go back and look.

[Lovebird]

Math was solving, beef looks lynchbaitu, worst is duck, I guess not that confident in almost or brass.

[Lovebird]

Ok, ausuka is scum. Maybe ico too. Think janitor is town

[Lovebird]

Lol, animal block posting rn. If you count dinosaurs.

[Lovebird]

I think generally if someone does something that doesn't make sense if they're town, they're scum. I do often see scum taking refuge in audacity, doing things that make no sense so people are like "why do that as scum?"

LOVEBIRD can you TALK TO ME about WHY this sort of reasoning is MORE likely to come from scum? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

When I first read it I liked the NUANCE of the angle but after some sleep it doesnt ping me as town BUT I don't really scumread it? 「(°ヘ°)

Also where do YOU think Math-sensei's townread of you is coming from? (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

Just, scummy way of talking. Nervousness, skittish.

Idk, I tricked math as scum before. Fine with him townreading me, though

[Lovebird]

Ah, these games are too much reading.

[Lovebird]

How is mafia month at all relevant here? Why bring this up?

Wtf? You were scum and I knew, but didn't push that much.

[Lovebird]

Mathdino

mutantdevle

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Ausuka
the worst
Almost50
brassherald
Lalendra

Beefster

The Janitor

Lovebird

Iconeum
Taly
Ircher

[Lovebird]

Slow start I guess.

[Lovebird]

The duck is town, right?

[Lovebird]

Ok, I read it but can't find quote now. But, ircher saying that his meta makes him town is towny.

[Lovebird]

Ausuka making the one big post where she goes from scumreading ircher to townreading him is weird. If you read through and change your mind before post is finished, why do you include first parts in the first place.

[Lovebird]

Okay I have 30 spare minutes let's gooooo

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ircher

why do you find it unnecessary to not address any of his concerns and naked vote inistead?

how do you read me (besides adorable)?

Is there really any other way to, honestly?

Vengeful has been in 7 PYP X/Y games. Of those, 57% (4) have been town.

Ya, I figured picking Vengeful is not really typical for either faction but would you agree about scum profiting more from it from the vig option and/or a vig being more likely town?

@janitor; If you believe Simyk has been posting lots of non-fluffy content, why doesn't that make her town to you?

I'm townleaning there after catching up.

425 to 428 seems mostly fluff to me when there's enough to discussion I reckon

In the future shall we see what you had PLEDGED to PROVIDE (O_O ;;) ?

What exactly?

Okay and I'm out again! Sorry for being shit at planning.

I think this is towny

[Lovebird]

Lol

[Lovebird]

Good, it wasn't a gambit.

Town

[Lovebird]

VOTE: A50 for being salty I got the nr1 spot with nr1.

Scummy

Can you tell me what is scummy?

It really makes me feel like you wanna appear active while not having to take a stance, and I scumread you for it.
My vote isn't RVS.

Awkward

?

Page 6 rvs

What don't you get about that one? "And I scumread you for it. My vote isn't rvs." So formal, doesn't feel natural.

[Lovebird]

because she's scum who was manipulating the meta from mafia month and is apparently scumreading me for not editing my posts.

Lol. Manipulating meta? Explain?

[Lovebird]

Why would we vig me?

[Lovebird]

Ok, I read it but can't find quote now. But, ircher saying that his meta makes him town is towny.

H-honto ni?? ∑(;°Д°)

Lovebird if THIS is a toneread I DO NOT possess agreement in that it was done in a SPECIFICALLY TOWN fashion and if it is more about the ACTION I would DEFINITELY insist my meta makes me town if I were scum (눈_ლ)

AUSUKA-CHAN'S vote here is TOWN by the way ✧٩(•́⌄•́๑)

You would do that? Idk, seems really towny to me unless you have really good scumgame or intentional meta manipulation. Keeping things simple I think it's towny.




Explain ausuka?

[Lovebird]

You're low on the draft and a null read for a bunch of people

Ok. But, let's vig scum and shoot ausuka.

[Lovebird]

Mathdino

mutantdevle

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Ausuka
the worst

Almost50

brassherald
Lalendra

Beefster

The Janitor

Lovebird

Iconeum
Taly

Ircher

I had reason for janitor town, can't remember rn.

[Lovebird]

IF you told the truth or said nothing, then you eventually would be EXPOSED so the best solution is to JUST bluff and say that your meta makes you TOWN - ESPECIALLY in a context where AUSUKA-CHAN is in the game Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)

Ausuka-chan's vote is town since if I KNEW I was townie and saw someone writing 587, I would just vote them aswell~

But, do you think that's thought process that scum ircher has? Preempt meta?

[Lovebird]

To CLARIFY I mean if someone did that TO ME with 587 (O_O ;;)

pedit: I would NOT vote a null slot if one of my scumreads were wagonning it, especially in THIS setup (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

I think it makes sense.

[Lovebird]

Sigh.

[Lovebird]

Ok bye.

[Lovebird]

are you caught up lovebird?
mathdino, have you rolled scum with a50 before?

Stopped reading

[Lovebird]

can u un stop?

Ok.

[Lovebird]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

[Lovebird]

Subject: Vengeful Mafia (2x games) - GAME OVER

VOTE: Ausuka

Serious vote.

[Lovebird]

Subject: Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

VOTE: ausuka

[Lovebird]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

Boon game.

Oh yeah. Idk what difference you see. My games are too much reading now, though.

[Lovebird]

Scum
Lovebird - Slight Scumread - Literally posts "this is town" and "this is scum" without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Lol.

[Lovebird]

I would THINK scum shooting someone WIDELY TOWNREAD such as me, eddie-kun, ahiru-tan, taly, or you would be a GOOD indication ╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂

Would scum ELECT to avoid shooting someone townie just because there could be a TRACKER? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)

pedit: LOOKS like we're in agreement!

Eddie and taly widely townread?

[Lovebird]

Scum
Lovebird - Slight Scumread - Literally posts "this is town" and "this is scum" without giving reasons and then disappears. Unhelpful, and I question how genuine their reads are.

Lol.

Yeah responses like these aren't changing my mind in the slighest.

You really think those things you said had to do with if I'm scum?

[Lovebird]

Why not? It is not necessarily (at least imo) that you have acted scummy so much as being hard to read.

I'm not hard to read. People done it easily before.

[Lovebird]

{Mathdino, Ausuka, Lalendra, Myloninja13, The Janitor, Lovebird, Ircher}

notable that ausuka and lovebird cannot be scum together

removing myself from this list that creates

scum in {Ausuka/Lovebird, Lalendra, Myloninja, Janitor, Ircher}

only 5 slots for scum feels wrong

these are ally uncharismatic lurky lynchbaity players

who's deepwolfing

Maybe it's eddie.

[Lovebird]

Your posts serve to generate a dichotomy or a discredit because you've also kept your vote on Ausuka since 273 without going into depth on why she's scum to you. I'd like you to elaborate on your thoughts in full.

What?

[Lovebird]

This isn't how you played before.

Why is Ausuka scum? And Ico? And you townread a scummy slot. Hng. Fos Lovebird.

Played before when?

Boon game.

Oh yeah. Idk what difference you see. My games are too much reading now, though.

You were a much more relevant presence there from memory. You also correctly sorted my slot and generally gave me the impression you're a decent player. Here you have done jack ehit and your reads are almost backwards from mine.

Also yes, taly, you're scumreading playstyle.

This game is faster. Or maybe I just have less time.

Maybe you're scum. Or maybe I'm just dense.

[Lovebird]

Why not? It is not necessarily (at least imo) that you have acted scummy so much as being hard to read.

I'm not hard to read. People done it easily before.

Yeah, but you are hard

for me

to read.

Ok, makes sense for you. But, just for you being hard isn't reason to vig me.

Just let it slide @Lovebird

Idk what you mean.

[Lovebird]

Subject: Vengeful Mafia (2x games) - GAME OVER

VOTE: Ausuka

Serious vote.

Subject: Mini Theme 2001: Mafia Month [game over]

VOTE: ausuka

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Iconeum

[Lovebird]

Lovebird is gettin shady I'm probably w you SIMYK. Last few posts feel intentionally slippery and hard to read into, for Lovebird.

Explain?

[Lovebird]

Not explainging things isn't my scum style. Everyone just always townreads big walls and explanations anyways.

[Lovebird]

Ya I can read. I mean I don't see where you see that.

[Lovebird]

@Lovebird can you please explain what on earth is going through your head when you decide to randomly naked vote the #1 in the draft list without any real discussion surrounding the potential of them being scum?

I said my reasons for iconeum being scum. Nobody else is voting ausuka, so I decided to switch things up.

[Lovebird]

Yeah ok I was gonna move it anyways.

[Lovebird]

I guess eddie can't be scum if ausuka is scum.

[Lovebird]

Idk.

VOTE: Taly

[Lovebird]

Who should I be voting? I don't think ircher is scum.

[Lovebird]

Doesn't feel good.

[Lovebird]

Ok.

[Lovebird]

why do you aggressively not give a shit about what happens this game

Not true.

Patience is a powerful tool.

[Lovebird]

Hi.

[Lovebird]

How am I supposed to respond to 1302? Getting talked to death.

None of things you describe are scummy.

[Lovebird]

vote someone who is more likely to be scum?

I guess. Voting lalendra doesn't feel good. People sure she's not just lynchbaity?

[Lovebird]

Yeah, I don't see how you came to that conclusion when you saw Ausuka explaining herself... What does "scummy way of talking" mean? If you're referring to syntax then there's no way that is AI.

Totally wrong

Some people are just awkward as scum. Can't deal with being informed. Idk how you could even disagree with that.

[Lovebird]

I guess I should just sheep biggest wagon or towniest players then.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Lalendra

[Lovebird]

I did some RESEARCH on Ausuka-chan's old account and found some SCUMGAMES for everyone's PERUSAL! (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

Why would you look at old account instead of recent scumgames?

[Lovebird]

i generally agree with the sentiment that "if lalendra is scum, y'all got lucky"

she happens to be in the PoE pool

and keep in mind she's going to be an important mislynch candidate for scum if she's town

yeah but off the top of my head if theres scum on her wagon its lovebird lol

Should I be voting "more likely scum" or my scumreads?

[Lovebird]

Mathdino

mutantdevle

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Ausuka

the worst

davesaz

Eddie Cane

Lalendra
Myloninja13
The Janitor

Lovebird

Iconeum
Taly

Ircher

Couldn't remember reasons for janitor town, same with mylo. Only taking out eddie and mutant because I think ausuka is scum.

[Lovebird]

I finially caught up and I think I've got some basic townreads here?

I think The Worst, Math and A50/dave are all town, and I town lean Saske and Eddie. They've all made good contributions to the game.

I'll certainly vote Lalen with you!

VOTE: Lalendra

And to Icon, it's mostly A50's contributions that make me town read that slot. Although I do know dave has a tendency to be a bit lynchbaity.

I'll certainly vote Lalen with you!

VOTE: Lalendra

And to Icon, it's mostly A50's contributions that make me town read that slot. Although I do know dave has a tendency to be a bit lynchbaity.

What in Lalendra ISO is scum for you? Or do you have other reasons to sheep the worst here (though it's not really sheeping because the worst is on Ircher not Lalendra)?

Interesting that A50 was your townread of the 2.

Lalendra is mostly a lack of anything townish. I don't like the snarky attitude that just doesn't seem to be trying to help town here.

But I am also partly sheeping the worst here, he is my strongest town read.

[Lovebird]

I guess I can't really tell just looking at it.

[Lovebird]

And I do believe the reasons for my assessment are AI, you're around when it's to divert some form of attention off of you. You don't defend what you think could be town, or even give reasons for such, and you don't really push your scumreads aside from saying a post is scum and throwing a vote down because... you most likely think the person you're voting is scum, but you don't give reasoning to build a case?

Why do you expect everyone to play same way you do as town?

[Lovebird]

I disagree with your assessment because I've played multiple games with Ausuka and there's nothing about her that strikes me as awkward in this game, or what's in the scope of her town-game.

I don't know why it's hard to believe that I disagree with you when you don't explain how something is awkward, or the reasons behind your reads.

Not taking about ausuka specifically, just in general. You said syntax can't be scummy.

Are you going to address my other points onto you or are you going to respond to 1 thing I've stated and not the questions I've asked?

Maybe I will.

[Lovebird]

...Stating an opening post as scummy with no reason...

Oh nooo, lock me up

[Lovebird]

So... you call an opening vote scummy, and then say the reason behind it is awkward when it was pledged to be a serious vote...

This looks to me like you're trying to place WIFOM or suspicion on Iconeum without really creating or backing up a certain stance. If you explained half of your assessments that would make it much easier to read you.

I called the wording awkward, not the reason.

How could I not be taking a stance when I say "scummy"

[Lovebird]

Isn't your scumread on Ausuka based around meta?

What does this have to do with what you quoted?

[Lovebird]

Only taking out eddie and mutant because I think ausuka is scum.

I don't get the correlation?

You and ausuka both picked six. So, don't townread you, but if ausuka is scum then you'd be town. Think mutant is scum if you're scum, if you're town then your read probably right on him

lovebird i REMEMBER you answering my question but i've read the last 5 pages and your iso like 5 times and can't find it

what are your confident reads?

Math town. Dave town. Ausuka scum.

[Lovebird]

forgot, mb. not being in early game makes it really confusing. makes sense. is mutant because i meta hard town them then?

Something like that.

[Lovebird]

I thought you had some secret tells on me or something.

[Lovebird]

Math

[Lovebird]

I thought you had some secret tells on me or something.

wat

i outed that tell when i failed to use it correctly, remember?

scum-you probably adapted if scum

Yeah lol, I did for alternating 9p.

[Lovebird]

[Lovebird]

Either Lovebird is being a town dick, or Lovebird is scum purposefully trying to be a town dick. Lynch either way.

What? How?

[Lovebird]

vote someone who is more likely to be scum?

I guess. Voting lalendra doesn't feel good. People sure she's not just lynchbaity?

VOTE: Lalendra

Lovebird, what changed? Because:

I guess I should just sheep biggest wagon or towniest players then.

Is just not town motivated

Just lynch this already

Which is it? Anti-town to be on "vanity wagon", or consolidating "not town motivated"?

[Lovebird]

Mathdino

mutantdevle

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Ausuka

the worst

davesaz

Eddie Cane

Lalendra
Myloninja13
The Janitor

Lovebird

Iconeum
Taly

Ircher

Couldn't remember reasons for janitor town, same with mylo. Only taking out eddie and mutant because I think ausuka is scum.

...You're making reads without remembering why? And just coasting on that instead of taking new information into account?

No? I reconsidered a read because couldn't remember my original reasoning, so probably not all that strong in the first place. Wtf does second sentence even mean?

[Lovebird]

I wonder how so many people don't understand what I say when it's not that complicated.

[Lovebird]

Btw, met my quota of getting called bad.

[Lovebird]

loljks

VOTE: Lalendra
actually starting to feel like I'll be disappointed if Lovebird is the lynch here
she's actually fine

Yah. What even are people's reasons why I'm scum? Iconeum says my scumread is based on "weak reasoning" and means I'm scum, but it's not. Awkwardness in speech valid a reason as any. More valid than reasons against me, really.

[Lovebird]

Anyone up for last minute flashwagon?

[Lovebird]

Any non-striked from my most. Of course, I prefer ausuka most.

[Lovebird]

From my list

[Lovebird]

I can't understand that at all Eddie, but maybe we will get somewhere.

Also, I'm just gonna put this out there, but

if Lovebird reaches L-1, I'm hammering because 1) I want the day to end 2) While I don't have much a read there, I don't think I can read them well, and I think the case laid out there is reasonable enough to warrant lynching 3) There really isn't reason to delay.

So in other words,

@Lovebird

: If you are going to claim, you probably want to do so now.

How much effort have you made to try to read me?

[Lovebird]

Aw, prodded over mother's day.

[Lovebird]

Do you have anything to add @Lovebird?

I could answer any questions someone has, but I don't think my opinion matters that much rn.

[Lovebird]

Ok humour me. Why does a townie pick role cop in this setup?

Deny to scum?

[Lovebird]

Should I still bother claiming anything if I'm not getting lynched?

[Lovebird]

I went for jailkeeper / tracker.

[Lovebird]

How bad is no lynch vs town lynch in this setup? I can self hammer if it's really necessary.

[Lovebird]

Flashwagon?

VOTE: Ausuka

[Lovebird]

Ok, I guess.

[Lovebird]

If only I picked 7

[Lovebird]

Ach, I played bad this game.

[Lovebird]

Idk. Not sure what to learn from this one. Not "follow own reads more", because even if that puts taly and eddie in the poe I just tunnel ausuka more.

[Lovebird]

be more active

don't aggressively give up at people

you were obvtown but only to good townhunters

you otherwise had uncharacteristically low charisma this game
like you seem to have more charisma as scum because you're more aware of how you're perceived
see if you can coopt that skill for your towngame

I guess I missed too much of early game.