Echo Bay Grits SEO dead thread

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See Gork

I saved you from having to scumhunt.

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"scumhunt"

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Also, I lied. Lovebirds isn't town lol

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How isn't Lovebird shot yet?

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VOTE: Lovebird,
I really hated her page 3 and 4.

I am here now. Next looking on who-shooted who and who I think was the worst of that.

Shoot: McMenno

, a ultimatum should be enforched.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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AUSUKA YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

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Yeah, 364 is a scum post.

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I kinda scumread Bins too, not sure why.

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Oh, she helpfully posted a reason for me.

Thanks Bins!

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Eddie who's scum? I think I have three pinned so far

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I think the PRICKS plan is kinda... not really helpful for alignment judging? Maybe even slightly scum favoring? If I understand it right.

It's not meant to alignment judge, it's meant to be neutral, although my guess is that scum would prefer randomness and PRICKS is anti-random.

But if you've got thoughts on it favouring scum then feel free.

Aren't towns on this site usually worse than random lynching?

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S H O O T
L O V E B I R D
P L E A S E

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I kinda feel Taly's going to get shot today

Which would be pretty upsetting tbh

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light_ganski is super town

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Idk. I think people townread walls or big strategy way too much. Not really hard to fake as scum.

That's not why Taly is town

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Hebi could be scum

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Does srceen realize that shot isn't going through?

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Ugh

We only have 14 more chances for Lovebird to be shot on day one.

Or really any scum.

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5)

Lovebird

, is your

ENTIRE

game dependent on discrediting me?

Well now that I'm dead, yes.

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Like

I get the idea behind the PRICKS or w/e acronym thing

But it's never going to work

Either people will just defy it one-by-one or it'll let scum coast by forever

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Davsto might be actually be town

Hebi is scumscumscum though

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Theta has all my scumreads in the null pool

Possibly scum.

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tbh I don't think Srceen is scum but it's very unlikely he'll live to the end of day, so.

We weren't very lucky with the random-shoot phase but I don't think this phase is going to be any better.

Also Almost50 I thought you were pretty strongly town while I was alive so idk

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mm

I can see Momrangal-scum too. I'm getting weird feelings about the Davsto-case.

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Also Almost50 I thought you were pretty strongly town while I was alive so idk

The problem is when I'm obv.town the people who don't know me well side by scum and I end up being suspect.
When I'm town but not trying/wanting to obv.town the people who know me suspect me.
It's a damned if you do, damned it you don't kind of thing.

I feel you

There's a very distinct difference between my town game and my scum game, yet the lines really blur for people that don't really know me for some reason. I guess I'm just working from a different type of mafia theory than everyone else?

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Is Creature that brazen as scum?

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eh

I don't think that shot is very town either

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Ok Vax can be town lol

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Crossing my fingers that Lovebird might still be shot today.

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I wouldn't be surprised if most of the VTs already flipped tbh

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Ausuka is town

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Taly, there's a reason the lolshots are both on and flipping town.

Effort is NAI when you can be lolkilled for just looking at someone wrong.

Scum are among those that haven't shot yet, those hiding behind the block, and coasters.

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And Sando is scum

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I blame the fact that Lovebird hasn't been shot yet.

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Yeah, honestly the PRICKS thing is going to cause a lot more issues than anything.

And Sando is scum

Sup

I'm genuinely surprised you weren't.

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I guess I get shot tomorrow being in everyone null lists

SHOOT THIS

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Sando:

Taly, there's a reason the lolshots are both on and flipping town.

Effort is NAI when you can be lolkilled for just looking at someone wrong.

Scum are among those that haven't shot yet, those hiding behind the block, and coasters.

Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?
If I was scum, of course I'd hide behind the 'townblock' and try to effort up as much as possible. That's literally a free incentive to not be lolshot.
Of course some people don't do that as scum, so they are coasting too. I imagine a chunk of these people who don't have strong reads on them are scum as well, but these are the ones that are going to get culled anyways.

The reason town is probably going to lose this game is because people are wrongfully cleared.

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TBH I regret playing while I was really tired

I'd probably still be alive, but even otherwise if I was thinking more clearly, I would've shot lovebird after her second or third post responding to me. It didn't hit me how scummy they were until after I was already dead.

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Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?

Scum are playing to their win condition, town are not, it's fairly simple. Lolshooting is a towntell, but it's not helping town win, and as you say, scum aren't going to loshoot, so the only way to even the odds is to get town to stop lolshooting.

Town isn't playing to their win condition because they're trying to enforce an unenforceable system.

People are going to shoot because it's

SMART

to have a hair trigger in this game. It's smart to blow your kill on a scumread if you believe someone is looking to shoot you. If you're pretty certain you're not going to survive, then it doesn't matter if your target is part of a club that retaliates shots.

All that the system really does is provide a fake cushion against being shot. Scum are going to be looking to get into that block because they're going to be much more safe since less people are looking to shoot them. So in all actuality, town's real win condition is to set that up and then destroy it if it's used at all, because treating it like a townblock is asking for town to lose.

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Scum have no reason to shoot unless they're about to be shot.
Scum have every reason to try to look as town as possible.

So, of course everyone who was shot for lolshooting is town (barring not_mafia, who would do that as either faction). Why wouldn't they?

Scum are playing to their win condition, town are not, it's fairly simple. Lolshooting is a towntell, but it's not helping town win, and as you say, scum aren't going to loshoot, so the only way to even the odds is to get town to stop lolshooting.

I'm seeing a lot of people being townread because effort and scumread because no effort.

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Well, the issue is that there's always going to be people shooting from outside of that alliance.

The moment you get to the point where that's dominant... you're probably already looking at a scum win.

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So you can try to organize things, but ultimately the people that are going to support only shooting based on the consensus is never going to be realistically able to eliminate everyone else before there's not much left to have a consensus on.

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Well, actually, you

can

, but like what was just established, the initial culling is going to be a lot of town.

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What do you consider lolshooting?

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So basically to get out of RVS

Which the game already has

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Also we only have five more shots today.

I don't think we'll be seeing Lovebird in here until day 2.

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Ok, to be real, everyone's reads have been terrible so far.

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And yes, most towns are terrible.

This game type is also not conducive to people having strong solid reads lists.

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And, well... all I'm really saying is that this organization is not going to have a significant effect before it's too late because you need to cull everyone who's going to go against it, which is going to be mostly town.

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People are probably going to go against it because either they want to lolshoot, they want to shoot their scumreads and don't care what anyone else thinks, they don't like the idea of it in general, or they think it's scum-dominated.

Basically, you have to get everybody that's in category #1 and #3 gone. Category #4 will need to go too since they're going to thin out the people willing to go along with it.

So.

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#4 sounds really rare, honestly.

It seems like mostly #2 now.

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You're thinking about it wrong.

The way you handle scum-dominated things is by purging it.

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Brie is probably scum

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Chick you were the hero town didn't deserve

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I'd be so happy if that caused a lovebird shot on D1

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I'd start shooting primarily mid-town reads right about now

After Lovebird of course

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welp

I feel like Random's probably going to flip town

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I hope truth is just there's not much scum. Otherwise, we're doing really bad.

LOVEBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRD

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Ugh

Taly might actually be scum

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Lol

Magna is going to flip his shit when he sees why I shot Gork

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Shoot: Gorkington

I'm going to be dead by the time I'm home from work tomorrow so I want somebody fun to talk to in the dead thread.

Have a good night everyone!

Magna's going to see this and just cry

and probably use his shot on my corpse

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Whether that's before or after any respect for my play he may have ever had withers away is to be seen, though.

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Brie ruined it.

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MoI doesn't sound town at all

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Anka's dying words were literally about how she locktowned Lovebird iirc
But Lovebird is good scum

this is actually maybe something I've overlooked

worst is going to get shot, come in here, and be really confused

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Like, so, so wrong. Progression on ank made absolute sense. Had reasons to scumread, talked about them,

then ank made lolshot, thought he was giving up.

That's like

100% obvtown

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In what universe does a scum giving up just not shoot the person that's clearly posturing to shoot them

???

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I'm sorry, but in what world does it occur to you to just shoot the one person defending a reasoned townread in a game that can easily become chaotic? They've made their reads and thought process clear and you shot them because... they didn't agree with you? I still don't know why?

Reasoning has nothing to do with alignment. If you think that you'll lynch town nonstop and get tricked by reasonable scum nonstop.

Just go reread it. It's literally not just disagreement.

But it's great to know that you're only concerned with posting WHEN someone suspects you.

Lol.

Well yeah it's not just disagreement. It's also because you're scum.

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I do see the likelihood that Iconeum is scum

ROFL

Just kill Ico then this if ico flips scum

From my memory there was some weirdness with ico that tied him to peeps, so it looked like a good shot. Really not sure about ico, just liked that he told us the most from flipping him. Wish I had more motivation too look it up right now....

Taly saying this jsut ties 1 more person to them

Scum

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omg

if you shoot taly

then lovebird won't be shot

ATEOITEWOIMSDIOKOLYLKY

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So

1) My shot on ank made perfect sense
2) Your other reasons all boil down to me playing different than you

1. no
2. no

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Jesus. more posts tonight than the previous 5 days.

Somethings going on.

Because I'm here

And annoyed that people scumread me for NAI things

no, you're mad that you got caught for reasons you don't like

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Lovebird doesn't care about anything but surviving

It's insane how that's not obvscummed yet

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Fuck I'm in a mood

I need to sleep

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Don't think associates work much. Most scum are traitors, right?

ohhhhhh

I did not know that! Thanks for the free setup information!

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So how's it going guys

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I can see day two being lolshots, lolshotters being retaliation shot, then a scum sweep

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Taly did you forget corpse party

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The part I'm really mad about is that Taly dying and flipping scum

WILL REDUCE THE CHANCES OF LOVEBIRD BEING SHOT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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I mean...

Lovebird managed to live through day 1, so...

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Like

The way she interacted with you about the shot on me, even if I wasn't already locking her as scum, was extremely scummy.

And nobody picked up on it.

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those two worst posts aren't town.

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Honestly, I would've shot Lovebird if I wasn't dead tired doing that.

It didn't hit me how scummy those posts were until the next day.

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Oh

worst is probably lovebird's partner.

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Magna

It is very rare that I get scumreads

this

strong, to the point where it's impossible to change my mind on them.

They're

yet

to be wrong.

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Magna

It is very rare that I get scumreads

this

strong, to the point where it's impossible to change my mind on them.

They're

yet

to be wrong.

I think you are calling Love scum for the same reason you called me scum like 2 pages ago ... for pointing out things like Taly being scum and the PRICKS was riddled with scum.

Which means unless you can give a better reason than that ... I don't trust it.

You mean like looking for a somewhat town excuse to use their shot, then floating around doing nothing but occasionally giving essentially nothing reads until they get called out, then trying very hard to shut that down while still doing nothing of consequence?

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I still think most of the scum are in the null to mid-town category.

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There's probably close to that many scum left, tbh

I think there's a mechanic in play that doesn't mean a third scumteam but there's still a pretty sizable chunk of scum left by my guess. The problem is most of them are townread, which is why mostly town got shot.

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Don't worry Taly, MoI can't like you less than he likes me

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Don't worry Taly, MoI can't like you less than he

does

me

Probably makes more sense like this

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uh are we looking at 3 scumteams?
if so town has probably lost

btw does the worst actually believe this

3 scumteams is actually better for town than two

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Thanks Lovebird

You're still scum

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Make it sound natural and I'll consider it

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mm

As far as I know worst is the only unflipped confirmed bulletproof?

That could be an SK

SK might even be bulletproof completely tbh

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Well... not completely bulletproof, but significantly more than one-shot.

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I genuinely thought Love was scum

Or at the very least, they had a very anti town ISO and approach the game

Either way it was easy for me to hound on.

And yeah MoI... as the game progresses end people knew scum had been heavily townblocced like me I kind of did noobscum things and wasn't sure what to do XP

Yeah I'm honestly a bit saddened that nobody really ever realized that PRICKS was bad for the game, even after Sando was lolshot.

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Everyone familiar with me in that game townread me, so kudos. X3

Well if you were a scum player who can't play with a Pro-Town appearance when scum you would have been dead by like Page 10 LOL.

Upon replacing in I was about 75% sure I was correct. The two things that killed you for me were.

1. The "Why Me" response to Gamma's case. That sort of defense was a bit overwrought IMO.
2. The way you used your shot. It is the same reason Theta is my top pick for scum still alive. You both took stances in thread as PRICKS about proper shooting and then made shots that were pretty inconsistent with those positions.

The Ico flips pushed me to 99.5% since you had spent WAY too much time calling him scum but not shooting him and arguing against his end of day shot.

This actually makes me think...

Scum are probably those that had dissonant shots more than anything else, which...

shocker shocker

includes lovebird.

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Reading through ISOs now

Ausuka is almost lockscum, very likely groupscum and not a traitor.

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Davsto... might be town? Honestly hard to tell because reads can also read survivalistic.

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Austerity is town

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Vaxkiller reads Munitions... traitor?

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StefanB is a traitor of some kind or town, definitely not groupscum

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light_ganski is Munitions scum

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Theta's hard to tell... maybe a traitor? maybe town? Doesn't read groupscum at least.

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Toranaga is probably town?

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Wingedcatgirl and Gammagooey are both town

the worst I'm not bothering to read because I don't think I'll be able to get any read from it so

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Gammagooey
Austerity
wingedcatgirl

Toranaga
Davsto
StefanB

the worst
Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

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I can see day two being lolshots, lolshotters being retaliation shot, then a scum sweep

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ok idk to read that austerity post

I'm a lot less certain that slot is town now though

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yup vax is scum

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jfc either I'm scumreading too many people or town is fucked

worst is scum too

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Gammagooey
Austerity
wingedcatgirl

Toranaga

Davsto
StefanB

the worst
Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

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because strongman is sk

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wheeeee

someone saw why ganski is scum

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Scum are interested in killing other scum as much as town.

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Meh

I think the shots that were reasoned were scummier than the lolshots or gutshots

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Xyzzy are you talking to me with that post?

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There's very little risk to ganski outright outing the SK stuff she is since it's very likely to be worst.

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Watch

Ganski stating a scumread on Lovebird is going to be the reason they get shot

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They have around three days to take a shot before the day ends.

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Gammagooey
Austerity
wingedcatgirl

Toranaga

Davsto
StefanB

the worst
Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

Still here for reads except worst is sk

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Where's the stuff moi promised

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I kinda want to have a friendly competition with this

But that requires people shooting

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YES Davsto YES

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Yeah, you have to deal with me instead

Which probably is worse tbh

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Yeah but I'm crazier

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the worst is not town because the worst is the SK

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no but worst is taking MY reads into account

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I really hope each shot takes this long to take

I want to see this game end mid-July

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I'm going to commune with my dead brethren. Shout loud my dead comrades!

SHOOT LOVEBIRD

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I hope my reads suck

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Gammagooey
Austerity

wingedcatgirl

Toranaga

Davsto
StefanB

the worst
Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

Doing good so far I suppose

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That shot was horrible but I'm not sure if it is enough to overturn my townread of him

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And now my other strongest townread might shoot him

What a time to be alive

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yay

a slot I wouldn't be super surprised to see a scumflip one

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Kinda looking like we are about the same in read accuracy magna, tbh

Your scum reads are confirmed to be mostly a mix of both and my town reads are looking similar

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Latter yes, former I'm useless at

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Lovebird is blatantly scum

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In about a month

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Half the remaining slots are probably still scum. It would do a lot to explain why today's been so shot-sparse.

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my god

It's been another five days since a shot.

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no we need to make absolutely sure of everything first

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I'm starting to realize that this is the type of game that just diminishes in fun entirely over the duration. I'm kind of glad I died very early on, because now nothing is happening and I kind of get the feeling that everyone's shots are already mostly solidified no matter what results of whatever they're doing right now.

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Town not having confidence is generally a problem of scum successfully muddying the waters up or just town not being able to to find each other effectively.

Basically either good scumplay or bad townplay.

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Well, the strongest town players were lolshot very early on or shortly after they started posting.

That's partially my fault of course but it still holds.

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Like... The worst isn't a bad town, but my impression is that he's much stronger at holding towns together than outright leading them, and... well, the people held together in day one had more scum than those outside of that block.

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The rest I don't really know very well, but none of them are the big names that I've seen have huge strongtown reputations like Gork/ooba/MoI

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Gammagooey

Austerity

wingedcatgirl

Toranaga

Davsto

StefanB

the worst

Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

Doing good so far I suppose

My townreads are dying and my scumreads are not

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Updating for recent shots ... glad I was correct for the wrong reason on Austerity

Town - Vax, Lovebird, Ausuka, Light and Gamma
Null -

Stefan

and

TheBrie

Weak Scum - The Worst,

Winged

,

Austerity

, Davsto
Strong Scum -

Theta

,

Tora

,

Taly

Also my response to Austerity shooting me ...

for comparison

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lol

And suddenly the day ends

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And lovebird survives to reach night 2

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Gammagooey

Austerity

wingedcatgirl

Toranaga

Davsto

StefanB

the worst

Theta Alpine

Vaxkiller

light_ganski
Ausuka

Lovebird

Roughly where I'm at

Doing good so far I suppose

My townreads are dying and my scumreads are not

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Lovebird is always a good shot

(This game specifically, not in general)