Changes to Normal Games (update September 2022)

[Alisae]

rip no hider

[Alisae]

3. I don't think the solution to "it's hard to come up with an answer for SK/multiball setups" is "never ask the question". I've seen or played a bunch of multiball normals that were fine in the realm of balance/swing. This was, of course, when there were more reviewers to go around.
My understanding is the consensus needs to be on a town:scum1:scum2 EV ratio of 33:33:33 or 50:25:25. It's possible to balance toward either.

SK and Multiball in large normals still exist.

[Alisae]

Multiball minis are fucking terrible dude imo.
SKs ok sure fine but Multiball shouldn't ever be a thing especially in 13 player games.
No one was even running Multiball normal minis to begin with so like, there's 0 problem there.

[Alisae]

Stop encouraging bad game design imo.

[Alisae]

except the open thread had millions of multiball games.
More multiball mini opens have been ran for awhile then multiball minis.

"stop encouraging bad game design" is kinda joke except it isn't because in the normal queue its expected that the game design be "good" (and the fact that normals have good design is a joke but thats a different story for a different time)
In the open queue, ok fine.

[Alisae]

Atleast mandatory reviewing didn’t get cut

[Alisae]

they might even ask you!

this happens?

[Alisae]

Why don’t we see how it goes rather than tearing it down before it starts?

Yeah we're not the problems with the site let's let it die.

[Alisae]

Ya know what would be great
If the site was way more liberal then the Skittles team wants to be

[Alisae]

Not having SK is going to be sad.

no this is a good change

[Alisae]

I think that Alisae is responsible for the failings of the normal queue and I advocate promptly permabanning him to restore the normal queue to its former glory.

Lmao good post

[Alisae]

I thought about joining NRG
But then I realized that would be a mistake

[Alisae]

But Fire that would be a mistaaaaaaaaake
A terrible terrible mistaaaaaaaaaaaake

I’ll only join NRG if V joins NRG

[Alisae]

Ty Implosion, if I was smart enough to come up with some of these terms or concepts in 2017, I might have used some of them!

[Alisae]

wow dunn thats a cool role you found there!

[Alisae]

Question:
Why do you guys want Traitor to be normal?
Why is the role fun to play?
I don’t get it maybe I don’t see the fun in the role.

[Alisae]

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[Alisae]

Why is the role fun to play?
I don’t get it maybe I don’t see the fun in the role.

This is important btw
Its super important to make sure your game is going to be fun to play.

I get the design elements behind it and the depth it allows for, but if its not a fun role to play, who cares

[Alisae]

Can suicide bomber be normal?

[Alisae]

Can suicide bomber be normal?

[Alisae]

Can suicide bomber be normal?

I don't see any immediate issues other than it being a Day action.

both sides can have 1 so it being a day action is fine no?
and even then it can be night action

tbh, day could be a modifier thats normalized but only for certain roles.

[Alisae]

I would like to put forth the role modifier if Fragile - dies if targeted by an ability or if it uses an ability.

That sounds so unfun to play...

Coming from the man that doesn’t vote.

your modifier is unfun to play

[Alisae]

@Implo, is it possible you can get the roles listed on the wiki to be ordered alphabetically

[Alisae]

yeah its called a Cop.

[Alisae]

A. Implo most likely will not want to have a role that nullifies the Miller. He doesn't want Godfathers in queue but wants Millers and he talked about why somewhere in this thread.
B. I'm pretty sure in normal games Cops get Town or Mafia and that only comes up in Multiball games but even then I still think its Town or Mafia but not 100% on this.

[Alisae]

Finder targets player declares vanilla town or mafia goon

[Alisae]

sounds like a better vanilla cop to me cuz you have to name a role and for you to get a positive result, it would have to be that specific role.

[Alisae]

I honestly don't really get what it adds to the queue personally.

[Alisae]

though on second thought, i have a pretty funny setup in mind that I could use with this said "universal finder"

[Alisae]

Actually so the above setup I'm just going to post here, because quite frankly, I don't think its fun enough to warrant being ran.

But the way I came up with using this role is to troll whoever gets it.
Because of how the role works, I feel like the player would most likely want to guess Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon

But what if there was only 1 vanilla townie and 0 mafia goons? Then suddenly you get to watch something thats really funny.

Here are some things you can do with this. I feel like if you are doing any of these things, you're making the game for your entertainment rather then it being an actual like good or fun game, which is why I'm posting these ideas here, but
You can
- throw in a bunch of neighbors. Make them aligned with each other or not, up2u.
- throw in multiple universal finders because the player will likely think that they're unique and not guess their own role.
- add in roles that aren't vanilla townie or mafia goon but also don't add any real power to the game. There are plenty of them.

[Alisae]

Also I think finder wouldn’t differentiate between VT and goon, like Rolecop does

then what's the point.
At that point you're just playing a more unfun rolecop

[Alisae]

Do you think the role in its current state has a reason to exist within the normal queue or is it just bloat?

[Alisae]

Akarin what niche do you feel like the role fills?