Changes to Normal Games (update September 2022)

[Cook]

Does a Traitor Vigilante surrender if the main contingent dies?

[Cook]

isn't moonlight dancer just a superstar?

can you even attach modifiers to roles that have no powers (e.g. vanillas)?

[Cook]

2-Shot Townie would be an example of a red herring modifier - do you really think "Twice in the game during night, you have no special abilities." makes sense?

was thinking about this, and it's like a gated death miller (which could be interesting for a scum role in a theme game)

Welcome! You are a

Mafia 2-Shot Activated Death Miller

.
• During the night you may activate your ability for this night and the day following.
• If you die when your ability is active, you will flip as a

Vanilla Townie

.

[Cook]

The term you're looking for is Death-Godfather

and the term i originally used!

but i swapped it out

[Cook]

the real question is not what a backup traitor would do, but what would a backup goon do in the hands of a traitor?

i'd say

Welcome! You are a Mafia Traitor Backup Goon.

You have no special abilities.
You are a member of the Mafia along with XXX and YYY. They know there is a Traitor. They do not know who you are.

Once a Goon dies, you will become a Goon and join the main contingent of the Mafia.

[Cook]

Is there a difference between those being roles and being a modifier for a vanilla townie?

Vanilla Cops.

[Cook]

i'm willing to run a few open games where this is the case

[Cook]

I also propose

Gunbearer

and

Gunless

, which have the following abilities/modifiers:

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Traitor Gunbearer

.

You do not have access to the Mafia PT. Your partners are XXX and YYY. They do not know who you are but know you exist. If you are the only remaining Mafia member you will surrender and the Mafia will lose.

You have access to the Mafia's factional kill. At night you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

so then you can modify this ability.

Welcome! You are a

Mafia Multitasking Roleblocker 2-Shot Compulsive Gunbearer

.

You have access to the Mafia's factional kill.

Twice in the game at night you must send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

In addition at night you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player's action will be blocked.
You may perform both of these actions in the same night.

...or give it to a Townie/SK.

Welcome! You are a

Serial Killer 1-Shot Novice Gunbearer

.

At night you may send me the name of a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

In addition, once in the game (but not on Night 1), you have access to the Mafia's factional kill. At night you may send me the name of a player and indicate you are bearing the gun. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

and Gunless is a modifier that does the reverse.

Welcome! You are a

Gunless Mafia Rolestopper

.

You do not have access to the Mafia's factional kill. The game does not end if you are the last member of the Mafia remaining.

[Cook]

You have notably interesting and clever thoughts on mafia mechanics (notably even in a forum about mafia) and I've thought so for a while now.

Thank you!

[Cook]

Pressured

Role ceases to function when eliminating a member of its faction would cause that faction's loss.

ELo

Role only functions when the town not eliminating scum would cause a loss.

MeLo

Role only functions when the town eliminating one of their own would cause a loss.

[Cook]

Vaporizer just functions as a Combined Goon Personal Alien.

That works.

I've used Personal Rolestopper in a game before for a traitor – it's fairly useful.

[Cook]

factional neighbor actions?

do it in a theme first, mini theme queue’s empty

[Cook]

I'd be interested in a just huge game with no special mechanics to make it bearable.

run a 30 player mountainous game

[Cook]

reflexive fruit vendor

[Cook]

1-shot activated reflexive fruit vendor

[Cook]

the only game that's in sign ups right now is Cook's Pick your

Poison

Policy game

YES GOOD FILL PLEASE

[Cook]

i would 100% be down for running "almost normal" games. mini theme seems to be my jam for a queue. push the boundaries. see what you can get away with.

or, in the opposite direction, take Basic roles. they're the roles and modifiers you should fundamentally know to start your mafiascum career. whitelist changes — i'm in charge of it — but it's really low-level stuff like 1-shot cop. you would expect to see 1-shot cop or an ungated doctor in your average mafiascum game.

is normal about being a cross-section of mafiascum? or is it about seeing how you can work within limits to create mechanics and dynamics interfacing?

[Cook]

gonna toss out the name suggestion Allies

[Cook]

can we alias

Alien

to

Abductor

to help differentiate the faction and the role?

[Cook]

instead of aliasing it to abductor can we add abductor as an alternate name for alien?

[Cook]

was asking to add another name to a normal role

i figured it would be good practice to ask the NRG before doing something to the wiki page

[Cook]

I am willing to test this idea in a game.

[Cook]

How about
Survivalist - role which contains this modifier will fail, if the caster dies while using it

what happens if a survivalist jailkeeper targets the mafioso who is attempting to kill the said survivalist jailkeeper

i would say the jailkeep roleblocks the mafioso, the kill is prevented

[Cook]

modifier, even if not ultimately normal, would still be useful to describe some action resolution, for instance my standard that recruitment is stopped by kills

[Cook]

Ridiculous questions about backups that will probably never come up in practice but that made me say "hmmm":

If a 1-Shot Backup Tracker tries to track someone before a Tracker has died (who knows why, maybe they misunderstood the role PM), does this failed attempt use up their one shot?

If there are two Backup Trackers, does one dying activate the other one (since a Backup Tracker is a Tracker with a modifier)?

i would resolve the targeting issue as if a backup was a scheduling restriction ("cannot target until someone of this role is dead") and thus the target is wholly invalid. no shot is taken.

the second, under your logic would result in the backup tracker's scheduling restriction being cleared. i'm not sure if this is Role As Intended, though.