Mini Normal 2010 - Scientific Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Hopkirk]

Huh, I thought Byron made a good point, but that Sho's comment on Screen was fine, so I didn't put too much stock in it. The OMGUS vote is really weird, though. I can get on this wagon. VOTE: Shoshin

Let me explain. Byron's voting me for townreading Screen. His explanation: Screen's town, I'm buddying Screen, so therefore I'm scum. My read on that: Byron's scum under his own criteria for what's scum and what's town, because (a) Byron assumes that Screen's town without any basis (he needs to do that to claim that I'm buddying Screen), (b) Byron buddies Screen by sheeping him (i.e. voting me), and (c) Byron claims that buddying is scummy (which he's doing) is scummy. This is precisely the type of hypocrisy that comes from scum because it's an example of someone's scumhunting criteria corresponding to their own behavior.

You sound very confident in saying that Byron's read on Screen is a hard read. That's very doubtful at this stage. Conclusions built on that are going to be weak.
Light town on Shoshin for unrelated reasons.

Sup

Garuga seems to be making excuses for not posting but in a way that comes of as LAMIST. VOTE: Garuga

I think the screenplay's joke vote is NAI, the reaction to it is NAI, and shoshin getting involved with it is NAI. That said, the 3 things together feel forced and odds are a chain of posts like that in RVS contains 1 spy at least. So I am fairly confident there's 1 spy among {shoshin, brawl, screenplay}. So FOS on you 3 while I try to sort you.

check this out y'all. Bujaber says he's "fairly confident" that there's a red within three players, yet votes someone outside those three. not only that but he doesn't even expand on his push on those three players at all. a green who has such confidence in a scumpool is most likely gonna focus on narrowing down that scumpool, but Bujaber doesn't push them, he doesn't ask any questions. the way I see it, I don't think Bujaber is trying to gamesolve here, I think he's trying to vote park on Garuga until he can figure out which way the wind is gonna blow

VOTE: Bujaber

When asking why a townplayer won't do something it's also useful to ask why

isn't

a scumplayer going to do that?
Don't really think it's AI. Scum seem more consistent in general too.
I don't think anyone's trying to gamesolve right now. You're virtue signaling/a bit LAMIST.

Wait there's already 3 votes on you god you're popular
VOTE: unvote

Why don't you want a fourth? It's 7 to lynch.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

Do we have to pay to access the full post?

I'm hoping we can find some town in the smart sheepers.

[Hopkirk]

P4. Posting as I read each page.
80 works fine from a Bayesian perspective.
Slight scumlean on Saudade following 83.
Slight townread on Byron. Sad I wasn’t on the list as obvtown like I should be though.
@Gustavo: Interested in the overeager read on Byron, and why it’s bad. He isn’t really forming many scumreads as far as I could tell. I don’t think scum massively benefit from forming light townreads and slightly shading less activies given they don’t know how the less active players are going to post/what they’re thinking. I liked it was wide for the same reason.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

Do we have to pay to access the full post?

I'm hoping we can find some town in the smart sheepers.

Are you implying that the "smart choice" is to sheep you?

Yes. I am 100% sure I caught scum in like 5 minutes because I am just that good at scumhunting.
On an unrelated note, UNVOTE: Una because I like him now.

VOTE: Byron

The entirety of your reads are activity based. They aren't premature, they are baseless and basically amount to fluff. You need to tweak your definition of inactive as well...your homesite operate on a 48/24 cycle?

Like, this isn't AI and I can follow the thought process behind forming the reads? Why's it scummy?

Fair enough. What about the part where he says I'm asking a lot of questions?

VOTE: Hopkirk
I think his post where he voted for TehBrawlGuy sounded manipulative.

That's because it was intended for manipulation.
I like/think it's funny how you think a naked vote can be manipulative.

[Hopkirk]

Oh yeah, TBG I liked since I disliked Saudade’s lack of response to 77, and TBG wanted to go after Saudade in 116 (maybe partially influenced by 77 idk).
@Garuga 131: actually that’s almost literally the opposite on my intent. Seeing who sheeps a vote when I imply it’s townie and hasn’t played with me before (so isn’t going to go along with it to try and read me), but when there’s also no particularly good reason to vote there isn’t very townie.
It’s not the amount of words that matter, it’s how they’re chosen.

[Hopkirk]

We'll go with it for now. What's your record on your gut reads?

This is meant to be a joke right?

I don’t keep records but if I had to guess I would say around 70%

People have been ignoring me this game I'm not sure I like it

Start interacting with people proactively then? If you aren't starting anything yourself then you're lurking.
Complaining about been ignored when you haven't actually responded to my last question is pretty eh.

[Hopkirk]

The response to Screen's quote was inside the quote because typed it after where i saw /quote

Townpool right now: Bujaber, Byron, Garuga, TBG (who i refer to as una for some reason earlier).

VOTE: Saudade

[Hopkirk]

Getting really active when accused is a scumtell that actually works, right Screen?
The name escapes me for now.

[Hopkirk]

Normally I catch up page by page, but I’ve seen some of the stuff about PTs so have more knowledge than I usually would.

@Boys: Bujaber townread earlier was for good thought process, asking questions that I could see town asking (aka that I was thinking at times), effort. Much more reason to townread him after the PT revelations.

Shoshin seems scum based on PT stuff as of p9. Rereading the first couple of pages and either Shoshin is unaware that 3 person neighbourhoods usually contain scum, or he isn’t trying to hunt in it like the other two are. @Screen/Brawl- was there any mention early in the neighbourhood that one of you was likely scum?

[Hopkirk]

@Screen: could you go over scum Garuga a bit more?

I have more reads but VOTE: Shoshin before anything else.
Looking at mod meta quickly.

[Hopkirk]

Well he hasn't hosted enough for that to be worthwhile.
I assume that means it's more likely for the setup to be typical rather than super creative though? Probably 1/3 scum as usual.

[Hopkirk]

@Garu: when did Shoshin go from scummier to townier for you?

[Hopkirk]

Worth considering a vig target and stopping vig/cop on same person.

[Hopkirk]

I’m glad the vig was Mumble and not someone bad.
Gustavo or Voyc top two picks for last scum I guess.
Let’s stop debating dumb setup stuff.

[Hopkirk]

Can narrow down the scumpool enough that lynch+even-vig makes this pretty trivial.

[Hopkirk]

Oh, must be Voyc then.
VOTE: Voyc

[Hopkirk]

You were already voting him. What was the point of that little act?

I'm legitimately interesting in how you thought this seeing as it's not possible to reach that conclusion even if you mixed me up with anyone else, or a mixture of people.

Nobody was voting him.
I hadn't posted.

I’m glad the vig was Mumble and not someone bad.
Gustavo or Voyc top two picks for last scum I guess.
Let’s stop debating dumb setup stuff.

Wait why isn't Knu in this group for you?

Light townread from pushing Bu then stopping in the way he did.

@Screen: why wouldn't there be another vig?

Issue with lynching TBG based on the scumteam claim is that the guy who made it also fakeclaimed rolecop at a similar time, so he wasn't definitely gamethrowing.

[Hopkirk]

Light townread from pushing Bu then stopping in the way he did.

Huh.. I scumread her for the same thing.
She stopped because the neighborhood was outed. She'd look really bad pursuing it. That's NAI.
But I feel the combo of her scumread on me for noticing the unnatural interaction and then going back on it like that is scummy. Seemed too sudden like she was looking for an excuse to back away from me when it looked like nobody would join her wagon on me.
And it pings me that she didn't offer a clear opinion on screen/sho/brawl.

@TIAM - It's not a strong read but I townread gustavo

Thinking in terms of tactics it's pointless to bring it up then drop it. Best case is he stays in the POE pool.
It's not a strong townread, it's a lets not lynch today.

Nobody was voting him.

This is a lie

Look at when posts happened. Nobody was voting him when you said I was. Bu changed a bit before then

[Hopkirk]

One of you might be right about the other but I disagree ..my scum pool is {voyc, knuflanto, saudade ...and hop if the first 3 are town somehow}.

That sounds like a reasonable scumpool I would throw gustavo in there but I digress.

Legit pool. Voyc or Saudade (music) today and vig the other imo.

[Hopkirk]

@Gus: if you're forming a POE pool then can you understand TiM doing the same thing and having you in it? You say you didn't do much d1

[Hopkirk]

@Screen: are you suggesting a MC to decide whether to lynch your neighbour?

Knuf should be replaced then lynched.

[Hopkirk]

It is semi-confirmable though. No point lynching there.

[Hopkirk]

I was thinking even-night vig, but that's not necesarily here with a even commuter.

[Hopkirk]

Mb/tiam/voucher are wagons I'll consider today I think

[Hopkirk]

It's only confirmable if we have someone investigate him right? He could fakeclaim commuter but that doesn't mean he doesn't make tonights kill assuming there is one. In that sense I don't see how it's any more confirmable than any other role.

VOTE: tiam let's try this

[Hopkirk]

Don't like either of NK's posts so far.
Can't really find effort to put in since it seems easy to just win through POE.

[Hopkirk]

You should claim now that you're about to face the music.

~I'm a sucker for a good pun. I enjoyed this.

[Hopkirk]

Fairly likely to flip scum.
Thoughts on possible even vig shot if townflip-NK I guess.

[Hopkirk]

MB shouldn't be listed in the VC.

Uhh, yeah... That was a test.... You passed...

Lynch/vig NK and TiM I think is where I'm at.

[Hopkirk]

Looking at setups with neighbours would be a good idea.

[Hopkirk]

Town on town violence needs to end.
Scum wanted to lynch you d2.

[Hopkirk]

Town on town violence needs to end.
Scum wanted to lynch you d2.

Sounds like a scummy "Yay we lynched scum" thing scum would say.

VOTE: hopkirk

which bit? I don't really see how either could be interpreted that way.
a- Referencing him being probable town and voting me.
b- My scumpool only includes people who were voting TBG at the start of d2. Scum clearly need to push that slot when there's any doubt whether it's town among town.

[Hopkirk]

Can't really respond since you didn't tell me which part you were talking about and I still can't tell?

[Hopkirk]

Did TIAM claim?
VOTE: TIAM

[Hopkirk]

I have a role that's likely weak, slightly swingy.
That's why I was wondering if we should mass claim.
After looking at previous normals, thinking we should claim if we have roles, but not what they are.

[Hopkirk]

No other claims would basically confirm some towns. Too many would also confirm some town. Lynchpool shrinks either way.
Roleblockers are very common and no active scum roles have flipped. If we have me, someone else, and Dunn as claims, no point telling mafia whether they should go for me or the other person just yet.
Some PRs are helped by knowing who is claiming prs.

[Hopkirk]

Role names might be a good idea. It depends who claims.

[Hopkirk]

My role is confirmable.
Want to hear whether NK is a pr or not (not what) before claiming.

[Hopkirk]

UNVOTE: TIAM

[Hopkirk]

Backup, now o-vig.
Well hammer when lunch

[Hopkirk]

Universal backup, now odd night vigilante.
Will hammer in about an hour and a half since it seems pretty clear cut, but it's hard to type the vote right now.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: tiam

[Hopkirk]

I've been pushing tiam for 2 days. Music box and tbg were on him yesterday and he was second largest wagon. Don't really agree he flew under the radar.

Town weren't right for the wrong reasons either. Don't know where you're getting that. D1 the scum in the neighbourhood was obvious when they revealed.

[Hopkirk]

This makes 3 games in a row being vig for me.

[Hopkirk]

2 scum/3 in a mini normal hasn't happened as far as I could tell based on the latest stats thread. The amount of people not wanting you in lylo for being in a neighbourhood was pretty high.

How anti-town would 3 town in a neighbourhood actually bw, assuming people are aware of site meta?

[Hopkirk]

As far as I can tell there's no normal option that wouldn't make that Byron game throwing.
If you flip VT then I'll obviously shoot him, but I don't expect to.

You know you're dead?

[Hopkirk]

Game is solved whatever yep.