You have 48 hours to decide what the groups for day 1 will be.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:56 pm
by Kokichi Oma
Hi. Any ideas on groups
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:16 pm
by havingfitz
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:17 pm
by havingfitz
Have there been other games this theme? Might be worth a review.
Hello team.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 4:39 pm
by zMuffinMan
busy atm
my first ideas for scum in this setup were a 643 or 733 split with all scum in the 4 or one of the 3s but it heavily depends on how likely it is you think you can avoid a lynch plus how much risk you want to take
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:14 pm
by zMuffinMan
on second thought that's not so good an idea though because town probably has at least a way to determine how many scum are in a given group and that could backfire massively
anyway will think about this later. bbl
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:55 pm
by zMuffinMan
safest option might just be to do a 1-1-1 split because if town does have some sort of sensor role and uses it D1 we'd be kind of fucked if we gamble (otoh, it could work brilliantly if town is without a sensor role but i'm not sure it's worth the risk)
i thought my role was pretty cool
then i actually read what my role is and saw how it resets the votecount and now i think it's not so cool
the lesson learnt here, of course, is that reading is uncool
oh well
i'm currently considering strongly hinting at having a neutral-but-kinda-positive-but-potentially-negative-so-i-dunno-what-it-actually-is role D1. i think i'd probably do that if i were town with this role. depends on whether i feel like i wanna pretend i'm vanilla or not i suppose
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:35 pm
by havingfitz
Zmuff....what makes you think there might be a sensor type role (something I've never played with btw)?
Can you explain your role?
Can he paste it in here mod?
I hadn't thought about not partitioning everyone (ex. 1-1-1). That merits some thought.
I'll lpok again this morning...but last night I couldn't find a previous partition game. If anyone knows of one please link it.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:57 pm
by zMuffinMan
my role is pasted in here (check the spoiler in OP)
sensor role is just a guess - town has some power (probably) and it's related to the mechanic (probably) so sensor (or some variation of it) makes sense (you might even say it's a sensible guess) (i'm sensing i'm running out of puns now)
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:02 am
by zMuffinMan
just try to throw out guesses for roles that make sense (this one wasn't intentional but i'm making no effort to alter my
corny[/size] hilarious punning)
sensor
a town mirror of my role
someone who can decide what group they're in regardless of what scum picks
some sort of governing role or something i guess is possible (or at least saving someone in a particular group)
double-voter
maybe i'll think of some more later if i can be bothered
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:05 am
by zMuffinMan
CAN'T EVEN GET MY BBCODE TAGS RIGHT
PS: sorry if my sensational sense of humour offends your sensibilities btw
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:12 am
by zMuffinMan
purple is a really ugly colour for private topics btw
why haven't they fixed that yet or how do i change it?
green wasn't much better but damn, black-text-on-purple is bad and the whole colour scheme makes me wish i were born without eyes
after some testing, i've decided this will be my new colour, unless someone has a better suggestion
seems fine in preview at least
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:13 am
by zMuffinMan
maybe i'll just stick with black actually... that doesn't look as good as i previously thought it would
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:30 am
by zMuffinMan
i guess for now i'll just write out a preliminary idea for partitioning and if anyone has any better suggestions than we go with that instead...
1:
dram
DV
pine
kokichi
2:
wisdom
sircakez
...
i literally no know one else in this player list so split the rest randomly, but 3+hf in group 2 and 4+me in group 3, i guess
if you're wondering why i get the bigger group, it's because
i need to compensate for something
i'm clearly the boss of this small mafioso unit... though i would prefer a less perverted-sounding role...
@implosion: would you mind changing my role name to something cooler like "1-shot destroyer of hopes and dreams"?
i feel this adequately describes what my role does while giving it a bit more oomph
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:37 am
by zMuffinMan
there's no reason the two of you can't also petition to change your role names too, i guess
i'm not sold on a 1-1-1 split but it's just the safest bet until we have a better picture of what town power looks like (of course, we could always mix up the groups a bit - e.g. put me in a group of 4 with players who are easily lynched (someone is gonna need to help me out on who this would be in this player list, i'm oblivious to who most of these guys are!) and at some point D1 i switch groups and have my group get lynched or something? there's even potential gambits where i switch with one of you)
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:27 am
by havingfitz
Zmuff...if you want to be a self annointed boss feel free as long as I don't have a contradictory opinion to anything you say.
I liked your new color better than black...I hate these purple PTs. If there was a way to default to a different color in this theme I would...just not too interested in changing color each time I post.
I misinterpreted the 1-1-1 as suggesting we could just place 1 individual in each partition. You were referring to 1-1-1 only in regards to our scum dispersement though...yes? So we do have to sort everyone within one partition or the other (I should read the game OP again).
What was your thought process on the groupings you suggested?
Are there players who as town are going to be considered too valuable (or popular) to sacrifice a group they are in? If so...we might be able to have 2 scum in their group. NSG? Eddie? Wisdom?
Are there players who regardless of their alignment tend to be popular lynches or come across as scummy (ex: Kokichi according to Wisdom)?
DeasVail? Pine? idfk.
Zmuff...that role. The fact you have to announce it to the game when you use it and the vote resets kind of sucks. Would be much nicer if the vote did not change. Kind of a get out of jail free card. If you think you can sell it as a town aligned role it might be worth claiming. idk....
iirc Eddie and NSG have a tendency to scum read me. I could be wrong...but that seems to be my recollection so being in a group with them could help me.
In post 16, havingfitz wrote:What was your thought process on the groupings you suggested?
i was using an incredibly complex system...
"put the few people i know with a bunch of people i don't know"
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:50 am
by zMuffinMan
i realistically don't have any preferences for groups
just put DV in with a bunch of lynchbait
it would feel pretty good to be able to mislynch him D1
and then hold it over him at an ausmeet
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:51 am
by zMuffinMan
... of course, if he manages to get my group lynched D1 then uh... hopefully he doesn't read the scum PT
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:58 am
by havingfitz
What are you thinking wrt your role?
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:59 am
by zMuffinMan
optimally, i think the path to victory is something like the following (left hand side is total numbers, right-hand side is groups)
10:3 - 5:4:
4
(1-1-1 split means 1 scum dead)
7:2 - 3:3:
3
(1-1-0 split means we preferably lynch an all-town group but worst case scenario is another scum dead)
either 4:2 or 5:1 - 2:2:2 (either 1-0-0 or 1-1-0 split, if 2 scum alive here we'd win on a mislynch of the town group)
if we haven't won after D3, then we use the NK here and go into the final day 2:1 with 1:1:1 split of groups (obviously 1-0-0 split)
the other option is gambling on weird splits throwing off the town - but i think that could be considered after D1
there's also the possibility that my switch can be utilised to prevent a scum lynch on a given day or potentially as a way of gaining some town credit (i.e. i swap one of you, we lynch your group, i potentially look better... BUT this backfires if people see the obvious so i might just not use my role - sorry mod!)
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:02 am
by zMuffinMan
i can't really see a way that using my role actually
helps
scum
at best, it could serve as a distraction
so the only way i can really think to utilise it for any semblance of town credit is to claim it (or hint at it strongly) early on, eventually use it, prove what it does and then point out "AHA! NO SANE MOD WOULD GIVE THIS SHIT A ROLE TO A SCUM PLAYER!" and everyone will nod sagely at how true that statement is
Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:05 am
by zMuffinMan
i suppose at 3:3:3 there are potential ways to use it (but i would look bad on the following day because of it)
for example, put myself in a group with 2 lynchbait players, go "yeah, fuck this shit, scum obviously want me dead today", switch for another generally agreed scum player (or gambit here and switch with one of you) and then lynch that group
but eh, i'll think about it when it gets to that point
for now, i'm almost certainly not going to use it D1