Ircher's Large Normal Review, May 2018

Ircher · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sat May 12, 2018 4:49 pm

What about 1 less mason, and a tracker in place of one of the Friendly Neighbors?

Ircher · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Sat May 12, 2018 5:01 pm

I could also try replacing a role with a 3-Shot Vigilante.

Ircher · Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Sun May 13, 2018 1:16 am

I mean, it is a large, and I’m not sure where you two are getting the # of conf town going up from.

Okay, first, if I have make the following changes, what do you think:
1) Make the Innocent children both be mod confirmed D1
2) Convert one of the Friendly Neighbors into a Mafia Traitor
3) Change all of mafia’s roles from Tracker-related to Role-cop-related.

Ircher · Post Post #12 (isolation #3) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:31 am

1. Town Vanilla
2. Town Vanilla
3. Town Vanilla
4. Town Vanilla
5. Town Vanilla
6. Town Vanilla
7. Town Vanilla
8. Town Vanilla
9. Town Vanilla
10. Town Vanilla
11. Town Vanilla
12. Town Vanilla
13. Town Vanilla
14. Town Vanilla
15. Town Vanilla
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16. Town Vengeful Neighbor A
17. Town Activated Innocent Child Neighbor A
18. Town Innocent Child Neighbor A
19. Town Mason
20. Town Mason
21. Town Universal Backup
---
22. Mafia Vanilla Cop
23. Mafia Backup Vanilla Cop
24. Mafia Vanilla Cop Enabler
25. Mafia Universal Backup

Okay, I reduced the number of confirmed townies from 8 to 6. The mafia will also be able to shoot one of the Innocent Children N1 because they will be revealed at the beginning of the game. Finally, to help Mafia better find town PRs, I have changed all the tracker-related roles to be vanilla cop-related roles.

Is this still too many confirmed roles, or do you think we can balance this from here; if this still seems far from balanced, then I think I will come up with an entirely new setup.

Ircher · Post Post #14 (isolation #4) » Sun May 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Okay, that's true....... I might go with something completely different then.

Ircher · Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Mon May 14, 2018 6:20 am

1. Town Vanilla
2. Town Vanilla
3. Town Vanilla
4. Town Vanilla
5. Town Vanilla
6. Town Vanilla
7. Town Vanilla
8. Town Vanilla
9. Town Vanilla
10. Town Vanilla
11. Town Vanilla
12. Town Vanilla
13. Town Vanilla
14. Town Vanilla
15. Town Vanilla
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16. Town Vengeful Neighbor A
17. Town Activated Innocent Child Neighbor A
18. Town Neighbor A 2-Shot Friendly Neighbor
19. Town Mason
20. Town Mason
21. Town Universal Backup
---
22. Mafia Vanilla Cop
23. Mafia Backup Vanilla Cop
24. Mafia Vanilla Cop Enabler
25. Mafia Universal Backup

I'll draft the new role pms if you two agree that this setup's balance is within the realm of normality. I have replaced the Innocent Child with a Friendly Neighbor that can only use their ability twice per game to decrease its power some. (Also, in terms of Universal Backup and X-Shot, the Universal Backup would inherit both shots, regardless if the original used them, correct?)

Ircher · Post Post #21 (isolation #6) » Mon May 14, 2018 11:01 am

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Spoiler: Sample Vanilla Townie Role PM
Welcome, {Player}, to Large Normal {Number}!
You are a
Vanilla Townie
!
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  town
  are eliminated, and at least one town player is still alive!
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(Reposting this because it changed somewhat.)

Ircher · Post Post #22 (isolation #7) » Mon May 14, 2018 11:06 am

1.

Spoiler: Town Vanilla

2.

Spoiler: Town Vengeful Neighbor A

3.

Spoiler: Town Activated Innocent Child Neigbhor A

4.

Spoiler: Town Neighbor A 2-Shot Friendly Neighbor

5.

Spoiler: Town Mason

6.

Spoiler: Town Mason

7.

Spoiler: Town Universal Backup

8.

Spoiler: Mafia Vanilla Cop

9.

Spoiler: Mafia Backup Vanilla Cop

10.

Spoiler: Mafia Vanilla Cop Enabler

11.

Spoiler: Mafia Universal Backup

Ircher · Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Tue May 15, 2018 6:37 am

Oh yeah, can we clarify exactly how Enabler works in terms of the normal guidelines (especially in terms of backup enablers (Universal Backup here)).

My interpretation is that as long as at least one Enabler is alive, players can use their night action. (Thus, if the Mafia UB inherits the enabler ability, mafia can still use the Vanilla Cop ability). But that comes with a issue: the flip of an enabler leaves PRs affected by the Enabler in the dark about whether they can use their role. My solution here is to automatically return "No Result" to a role that is no longer enabled, but that has issues as well if players aren't aware of this.

If my interpretation here about enablers is wrong (i.e.: if an enabler dies, all roles enabled by it are disabled regardless of the existence of another enabler), then I'm fine with that as well; I just want to clarify.

Ircher · Post Post #29 (isolation #9) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:28 pm

Alright, I'll implement the Enabler as specified in post #26. Let me know if you need anything else.

Ircher · Post Post #30 (isolation #10) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:48 pm

Oh, prob. should go ahead and state that I have a week long V/LA coming up in a week where I wouldnt be able to start the game if it filled.

I don't think my game would fill in that time tbh esp. given the current site state, but I'm just going ahead and noting this now.

Ircher · Post Post #33 (isolation #11) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:52 am

Can Not Known 15 get access to this thread? They agreed to be my backup mod.

Ircher · Post Post #35 (isolation #12) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:56 pm

@Radiant: If I were to reveal this setup as being singleball, how would that affect balance, if at all?

(As in, would that be acceptable or no? I'm fine either way, but I had a person asking about if the game was multiball, so......

Ircher · Post Post #37 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:46 pm

The game is over!

Ircher · Post Post #38 (isolation #14) » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:07 am

(Going to post these links simply to facilitate easy access to the game for future readers.)
1. Game Thread
2. Mod PT
3. Mafia PT
4. Neighborhood PT
5. Mason PT
6. Dead/Spectator PT
7. Review PT
8. Ankamius's PT - Created on request.
9. Krazy's PT - Created on request.