Gerrymandering Shadow Government Democracy Mafia Endgame

[Ankamius]

Good morning

I will catch myself up when I get a chance

[Ankamius]

This game is next on my list, I'll be here shortly

[Ankamius]

How many mafia are we probably dealing with? I assume 4-5?

[Ankamius]

Either scum aren't doing what I believe most rational scumteams would be doing or there's a different amount than four scum.

Hm.

I'm honestly not sure how to start analyzing here, can someone walk me through what happened this game so far?

[Ankamius]

Hebi what is your role?

NK15 can you unpack the lie more for me?

[Ankamius]

Skitter: trying to rig the districts to get two free votes pushed through

Although maybe that's the type of strategy that would be better pushed in gamestates like where we are at now, where individual votes are more impact full.

Idk, trying to figure stuff like that isn't very easy in a game this complex

[Ankamius]

Just mapping out the districts doesn't indicate that scum went that route since the beginning of day one at least, no idea about only doing it some days

[Ankamius]

Hi Whemestar

What's up

[Ankamius]

well

what exactly is town doing

this setup is one of the worst possible ones I've ever seen for ways to get invested into it

[Ankamius]

like

hebi's claim isn't scummy and from what I can tell, the lie she apparently told is the type that makes sense with her claim

I think I don't understand the setup well enough to understand what the point against NK15 is?

[Ankamius]

well

what exactly is town doing

this setup is one of the worst possible ones I've ever seen for ways to get invested into it

I think we're waiting for BB to come back?

BTW, I've decided tomorrow to run for prez so things will be interesting then maybe!

honestly

I'd probably vote for you just because you're the first person in this thread that's not making my brain melt

[Ankamius]

do you promise to deliver the heads of all the scum by nightfall tomorrow hiloninja13

[Ankamius]

I stg if you get elected and hipshoot me

[Ankamius]

that would be hilarious but the dead thread wouldn't be as hilarious

[Ankamius]

19 = 4-5

but with third parties who the fuck knows

[Ankamius]

wtf we have two third parties?

what kind of setup is this

[Ankamius]

what are all the claims?

they aren't all like hebi's right?

[Ankamius]

Presidential Bodyguard (automatically bodyguards current and past presidents)
Government-Sanctioned Assassin (non-consecutive vig?)
2-Shot Fact Checker (true/false on mod-posts)
Honest Face (can't be frauded)
Second Home Owner (is placed in and can vote in two districts at once)
??? Name Changer (changes district names)
??? Roleblocker
??? District Tie Chooser (resolves district ties)

vs

unlockable joat 3p

vs

who the fuck knows 3p

vs

who the fuck knows mafia

[Ankamius]

idk how to even read that setup

[Ankamius]

for what

[Ankamius]

mylo it's not good to be high when trying to solve mafia games

[Ankamius]

oh sorry I'll amend

mylo it's not good to be [TEMPORARILY NOT ENTIRELY HERE MENTALLY] when trying to solve mafia games

[Ankamius]

what's the double voting pool

[Ankamius]

so basically someone probably committed fraud if I'm reading the setup stuff correctly?

[Ankamius]

ank you here?

I wanna try to solve this with you like labryinth

I'm here now, what do you know?

[Ankamius]

like

hebi's claim isn't scummy and from what I can tell, the lie she apparently told is the type that makes sense with her claim

I think I don't understand the setup well enough to understand what the point against NK15 is?

NK15 has acted scummy in general and has been trying to undermine town at every opportunity.

Examples?

[Ankamius]

mmmmmmm

yeah, NK15 is a good lynch today or tomorrow

what's the case on Invisibility?

[Ankamius]

well

he's one of two slots that hasn't showed up the last couple days after I replaced in, but that's less sketchy from ofrhz than it is blind bandits in a vacuum

otherwise it really just depends on roughly what their personality is, playstyle, and how the game has been going compared to how they fit into it

[Ankamius]

oh speak of the devil

[Ankamius]

oh speak of the devil

YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT IF IT WAS 20 MINUTES AGO

did you not notice I was here the past two days or

[Ankamius]

did anyone answer what the case on invis was or am I more blind than nos

[Ankamius]

well can we conjure up a snowstorm or something so we can't land there?

[Ankamius]

so do you think nk15 is scum or are you just lynching whoever

[Ankamius]

ok then

[Ankamius]

Why

[Ankamius]

What

[Ankamius]

I'll be here tomorrow

[Ankamius]

let's not kill the slot that's efforting

[Ankamius]

I'll be here tomorrow

This is still happening, don't end the day yet please

Speaking of which, what is dl at?

[Ankamius]

I'll have time then, hold tight a few hours

[Ankamius]

In the meantime, did anyone answer why Invisibility is on the block? I see the recent stuff but I want to know the before stuff too

[Ankamius]

Does anyone around right now have prior experience with Invisibility?

[Ankamius]

Blind Bandits is probably scum

Not impossible no

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Skitter: trying to rig the districts to get two free votes pushed through

Although maybe that's the type of strategy that would be better pushed in gamestates like where we are at now, where individual votes are more impact full.

Idk, trying to figure stuff like that isn't very easy in a game this complex

sorry, i'm still not sure what you mean by this

i imagine that scum would be trying to arrange the districts so as to make it easier to get their chosen person elected. the slot that most seems to be a thing for is maybe yours actually; it seemed on a few days that the districts were slightly tilted towards ruby, but if scum were purposefully trying to make that a thing they ddn't really capitalize on the district placements - ruby hasn't even voted in a few days

also it seems like wheme supporters are generally being sepreated i think

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like

hebi's claim isn't scummy and from what I can tell, the lie she apparently told is the type that makes sense with her claim

I think I don't understand the setup well enough to understand what the point against NK15 is?

he's pushing her basically on the basis of being third-party and wants to lynch her today even tho it's day4 and there's no flipped scum at this time

he also fake-claimed a guilty

and double-voted himself in order to deny hebi being in a tied district although he started the game saying double-voting is a scumclaim

he also outed 123's result after we all agreed in the party pt that we wouldn't

==

wtf we have two third parties?

what kind of setup is this

wheme lol-claimed third party but this claim is not particularly as much believed as hebi's

==

CURRENT LYNCH POOL IS {INVIS, NK15}

NO ONE ASKED FOR SKITTER BUT IM PUTTING HIM IN JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT

INTENT TO LYNCH WHICHEVER ONE COMES TO MIND WHEN I WAKE UP CAUSE PURRC CANT STOP ME IF HES AWAY

THOSE IN THE POOL SHOULD CLAIM ACCORDINGLY

i'm a she

if you're serious about this i'll claim

==

I hate this plan but I’m vt

lynch this with fire

why were you tip-toeing around a vt claim for like a week? and going out of ur way to avoid claiming?

It's really hot in my house, so I'm going to do caveman formatting for this, numbers indicate which quote response I'm referring to.

1.im referring to scum rigging the districts so that if they want someone specific in power, they have the votes to likely muscle it through. This is mostly a thing because of the consistent town flips but it's not very well supported by the district allocations (unless someone outside of the mafia can manipulate them, I heard hebi can but it's far more limited than what I think would be necessary to cause a false negative here)

2. This is a good case, I like this

3. That's something we need to figure out at some point, I'm almost at the point of just assuming we have a tiny mafia team and multiple 3Ps to make up the numbers as the biggest possible way this setup was designed

[Ankamius]

Because you were near lynch. Like, you were asked multiple times to claim, including by the president. Flat out refusal to do so is scum-indicative since we do have a time limit.

Anti town yes, it's not actually scummy for every single player

Tbh his tone around this interaction is looking like frustrated town more than caught scum

[Ankamius]

At the same time, I think BB should go on with the deal we made and lynch NK15 since Vizzy did claim first...

i mean ill probably do that

lowkey wanted both of them to vote

but ill just do this again tomorrow since it's likely that i can get president again cause you guys have terrible voter participation and we can essentially rig elections if you guys dont vote.

im fine being the chaotic villain so you guys can shake off the apathy to elect someone more sane

there cannot be peace without first a great suffering and the greater the suffering the greater the peace

This feels really iffy to me

[Ankamius]

i think invis is town

i'm having a hard time seeing NK15's posts come from scum with daychat, like the fakeclaim on aronis. this guy is also kind of just lynchbait as town

i think i want to VOTE: ankamius

I still want to know what this was all about

[Ankamius]

I still do not trust Hebichan, but whatever.
I haven't seen scum doing anything wrong and this voting system is insanely scumsided. I do not scumread BB for trying(and succeeding to) to get the presidency. I do not want to see Invisibility lynched right now, but rather Ankamius(Ok, Hebichan.... but I realize that this doesn't have a chance.), but Invisibility is ok, because their name fits their presence the first three days, and that points to scum more often than not.

Pfffffffffffffff

Lynch this

[Ankamius]

A recent invis game where he was lynched as scum. The circumstances aren't entirely the same (invis replaced into a scummy slot evidently and quickly got lynched), but he kinda just gave up in that game instead of trying to claw his way out of a lynch. His reaction here doesn't feel the same.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10329535

This is not a good case since the gamestates are completely opposite of one another. Nobody is going to have the same reaction to being wagoned every time they roll scum, and comparing a game where he was the last scum alive on day two to one where no scum are dead on day four isn't very comparible

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

ofrhz - Lean town.
Hebichan - Lean town.
123456789 - Lean scum
Aronis - Lean scum.
Ankamius - Lean town.

Need to sort:
Whemestar
Invisibility
mutantdevle
skitter30
Myloninja13
Blind Bandits
Not Known 15

It's slightly worrying that so many people agree on NK15 and Invisibility. It would be helpful if there were links to EOD/SOD or other events, as this is an exceptionally large and nuanced game to process. I've skimmed a few ISOs but I doubt I'm going to be able to read the full game.

Who is the current president? Was there any shenanigans with the voting over night?

I'll keep reading and try to filter more reads.

Tin foil hot take: Hebi and NK15 are working together to make the role claim feasible and Hebi appear townie. So NK double voting to prevent the tiebreaker could've been an excuse for Hebi's "role" to remain out of reach and unable to help town, whilst Hebi gets towncred for wanting to help.

This read is for entertainment purposes only so consume at your own risk. I'm currently townleaning Hebi subject to the claim being legitimate, it's weird that she's not a threat to scum though right?

More than likely scum can block her from reaching her abilities by putting her in smaller districts with at least 1 scum who double votes. Have her JOAT abilities been unlocked yet and has anyone else apart from NK15 double voted, whilst in a district with her?

@NK15 was your double vote outted by scum checking you for fraud or did you get caught by town adding it all up?

We probably have a TvS scenario here, if I had to guess. I doubt both are scum and I'm getting that manipulative feeling from how the day is going that doesn't generally pop up when scum have two wagons to choose between. This dichotomy feels a bit... deliberate?

[Ankamius]

But can you just lynch someone though?

The term will last until (expired on 2018-08-08 13:30:00) from now

You have less than 24 hours and I'm getting worried because you're not always here.

I don't like the timing of this

[Ankamius]

oh shit i was about to scumread ankameowse until i realized she replaced ruby red (the goat)

Are you a scumbutt kitty purr

[Ankamius]

I would be just as SHOCKED and APAWLED if you said that to me and flipped scum >: /

[Ankamius]

What do you think of ofrhz and mutant

[Ankamius]

cool we're at least somewhat synced then

I feel a bit better about your slot

[Ankamius]

I guess

[Ankamius]

sorry for being disappointing luv

[Ankamius]

Wheme, where are your thoughts at? BB flipping town is throwing me a bit

[Ankamius]

AHH we've mislynched four times already

Here we have the pinnacle of obvtown play

You're setting a prime example for everybody Hiloninja13, keep up the fantastic work!

[Ankamius]

i suck

[Ankamius]

hiloninja13

can you take a moment

and breathe

[Ankamius]

This gamestate feels like a loss already

[Ankamius]

Wheme are you seeing the same glaring issue I am?

[Ankamius]

No, the issue of the being no push anywhere other than you lynching Ofrhz or Invisibility

[Ankamius]

Oh wtf there's a push for mutant

Yeahno

VOTE: Whemestar

[Ankamius]

Sure

ENDORSE: 123456789

[Ankamius]

Apparently make him leader of the party we are in but I don't know if it does or not myself

[Ankamius]

HOT TAKE
- mutantdevle

[Ankamius]

Is it too late to lynch scum d1

[Ankamius]

Will there be cookies too?

[Ankamius]

My phone wanted to say vomits at first which is probably a sign I need to stop posting on my phone

[Ankamius]

Does anyone want to make a donation to our party? We're perpetually in suspense for what move Blind Bandits wants to play in our party PT and we need to invest heavily into necromancy in order to do so

[Ankamius]

Btw we have made no notable progress towards this goal so keep that in mind

Ty

[Ankamius]

Does anyone want to make a donation to our party? We're perpetually in suspense for what move Blind Bandits wants to play in our party PT and we need to invest heavily into necromancy in order to do so

Btw we have made no notable progress towards this goal so keep that in mind

Ty

We can only progress along this cataclysmic discovery with YOUR support

Do the right thing, donate to the lynch scum day one party or whatever the fuck we've been calling ourselves all game so we can develop the resources needed to reanimate Blind Bandits so we can continue our chess game

Thank you in advance everybody <3

[Ankamius]

If you hate suspenseful cliffhangers, support our efforts

This chess game has had me on the edge of my seat for over a week now and my butt is getting tired

[Ankamius]

There's masons my lord what is this!?

And we have officially gotten to day 6 without killing a single scum, which is almost surely a record at least lol.

BTW Ank & Skitter you kinda have to prove to me your town plz thanks.

I'm shocked you aren't already convinced by my selfless devotion to keep this chess game on the rails

I'm reporting you to the cia

[Ankamius]

I'm offended

[Ankamius]

Can I get a refund on this government

I think it's broken

[Ankamius]

VOTE: skitter30

meh

not much left to say I guess

[Ankamius]

hey no cannibalism allowed

just because the government doesn't work doesn't mean we can start eating each other

[Ankamius]

if only duckling was still around

we could lunch on duckling

I don't think he's appreciate that though

[Ankamius]

wow

I'm typing on a computer and I'm making the same typos

can I uninstall

[Ankamius]

brb uninstalling my fingers

[Ankamius]

what

[Ankamius]

This scumteam was fun to play with

Thanks for the hard carry, Skitter (and to a somewhat lesser extent, Hebi)!

[Ankamius]

I just heard mutant's heart break from Australia
also very very well played scum

Ank I'm blown away you just repped into the sketchiest slot 2k18 and just shitposted thru to endgame this is why you're the best

Hey that chess game was INTERESTING

[Ankamius]

I see the spoiled dead thread is still locked

Spoiler:

[Ankamius]

I'm glad everybody that had any experience with me (except for BB) was dead when I replaced in

because there's no way in hell I would've gotten away with how I played otherwise

[Ankamius]

I even went into that for like a full page in the scum PT

it was pretty tragic

[Ankamius]

eventually I realized that if the game ever reached a point where scum were in any trouble, I'd be confscummed just from PoE anyways so I just decided to shitpost all over the thread and try to make the end at least somewhat bearable for everybody else

I kinda get the feeling it was more cringey than anything though

oh well

[Ankamius]

Welcome to the "Wait For Blind Bandits To Make A Chess Move" party

Our current long term project is necromancy

gotta say

I'm glad this got posted in the mod PT, I was proud of this post

[Ankamius]

seeing 28 pages of scum PT when I replaced in was amazing

[Ankamius]

If it helps mutant

I was originally planning on going to war with you yesterday

It was so many layers of irony that Wheme didn't take it seriously and then just left the game with a no lynch

This game really was a prime example of overplanning, honestly, especially from me since I had no real way to go about enacting any of them and it wasn't necessary in the first place...

Plus I figured I would be confscummed by PoE if town ever had a chance so I figured I would just shitpost the rest of the game

[Ankamius]

If things had gone differently and I turned out to be town, I'm not actually sure I would've gone with your Mason claim in LyLo

That kind of thing usually pings "SCUM LED FAKE SOLVED SETUP" to me

[Ankamius]

^

[Ankamius]

idk what you mean nos

hebichan was the PINNACLE of obvtowniness

and I have no biases whatsoever clearly

[Ankamius]

Hi purr

I betrayed you

[Ankamius]

Heya person I replaced

I bloated the scum pt even more in your honor

[Ankamius]

I also spent 2/3 of the game shitposting because town wouldn't meet me powerscum : (

[Ankamius]

scummy