NY 213 - Game Over!

[TehBrawlGuy]

alright nerds I'm not reading 100 pages

what specifically should I read/take a look at?

[TehBrawlGuy]

replacing into scum slot noice

VOTE: Tehbrawlguy

roooood

and i was going to announce my cop clear on you too

[TehBrawlGuy]

UNVOTE:

removing my predecessor's vote

[TehBrawlGuy]

i figured it out though it's ausuka

[TehBrawlGuy]

for real though, if you can direct me to anything specific I should read up on, that would be helpful

plus you can reuse the same shit for the other slot that's pending replacement

[TehBrawlGuy]

timetravelling from where I left off:

Mylo slipped down to scumlean on my list with that vote on PP. I don't see any reason for it at all, and

it seemed like he was opportunistically picking on someone that he knew was not around when he was pressured to throw down a vote.

talk to me why you believe this?

Because of the progression. Mylo doesn't mention PP anywhere in his ISO and then:

Responding to my prod. I'm busy tonight and tomorrow morning, but I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

Are you going to vote for anyone?

I guess I could VOTE: PP because OMGUS and they haven't really done anything to town read them on.

He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.

this is perhaps a bit blunt, but is mylo a weak scum player? i actually view this as a towntell if he's not b/c I think Scum are generally a little bit more worried about appearance. this seems much more town-realizing-he's-not-voting with a dash of lazy

[TehBrawlGuy]

fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw

anyway, I agree with whoever said masons + fulltown neighborhood is unlikely, so I'm pretty OK lynching in that pool. FL's partner needs to claim.

Out of neighborhood + FL, who should I read up on? Can someone give me a breakdown of everything that's happened related to the hood/its players?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think it makes sense given the neighborhood. I want to lynch out of masons+neighbors, and I can't really evaluate who to lynch out of that until I know who the mason pair are.

for sake of clarification, though, I don't want a fullclaim if he has other modifiers or attributes, I just want to know who his partner is

[TehBrawlGuy]

Why would you want to lynch within masons if a partner claimed?

Based on what you've said (wanting to lynch within masons/neighs)
Either you doubt the claim, in which case you should want to lynch FL.
Or you believe the claim and you should want to lynch Wave.

But you're saying you want a mason partner to claim

then

you want to vote within the 3 people. That definitely doesn't make sense.

I don't see what's so hard to get about it. One of those lynches is probably a mislynch, getting FL's partner to claim helps me determine which it is. I could lynch Wave now, I guess, and leave the second mason unclaimed, but I'd rather lynch more accurately.

[TehBrawlGuy]

How about you catch up by readin some ISOs?

Also 'fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw'- what exactly do you want us to point you to? In general?

I was pretty much looking for the below so that I would have context/know what ISOs to hit, so thanks.

Hood
-Ausuka the IC
-Performer the lynched veneful
-Wave the living

If you want to lynch in the neighbourhood, you want to lynch Wave.

Can masons even have modifiers in a normal?

I'd suggest looking at KK (where I'm voting), FL (to decide if you buy the claim), Wave (Neighbour), Android (yesterday's leading lynch for a time and only survivor of a large wagon), and the other lurkers since it'll be quick (Wheme, yourself, Mylo, Scion, Pine whoever else slips my mind due to lack of presence).

Time to sleep.

[TehBrawlGuy]

omg jjd I missed that post entirely somehow

Guess I bitched for no reason oops

[TehBrawlGuy]

alright so I did some ISOs

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)
wave: scum
mylo: town
FL: lean town


I don't need FL's partner to claim, I'm sure enough in Wave lynch. Neighbor-meta aside, 99% of wave's contributions have been calling other players Town. Having lots of townreads and very few scumreads is a wonderful way to coast without taking heat or giving off associatives as Scum, and his tone also feels off.

VOTE: wave

plan to iso KK soon(tm) but I'm really happy with a wave lynch both mechanically and reads wise, so it's not a high priority for me.

[TehBrawlGuy]

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)

Spoiler:

ftr, i'm not defending his play or saying's it's good or protown.

it's just very obviously coming from a town player

[TehBrawlGuy]

standard timetravelling warning

There is zero chance there isn’t at least 2 scum in
PoV
JJD, Golden Rob, PP, Lalendra, Wave, Wheme, and I will power lynch my way through after the mason claim comes through.

Hint, I will not be going after JJD or Wave.

You're a mason, Wave's on your wagon which you want to lynch from, and Wave's the only non-conf town Neighbor left... and you won't vote him? How is he not obvscum from your PoV?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Slight town lean on PP himself, but Rampage is town and so I really dislike the wagon.
A18 is still obvtown

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way. Who outside of the 3 leading wagons could we go to? Obv. Wave is my preference, but I don't think that's going to gain legs.

[TehBrawlGuy]

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

[TehBrawlGuy]

on, but of the three leading wagons

????

what?

[TehBrawlGuy]

As of the last vote count before my post, it was you/pp/a18, it's just that the a18 voters swapped off.

[TehBrawlGuy]

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

[TehBrawlGuy]

UNVOTE: wheme

mobile posting sucks

[TehBrawlGuy]

Heads up: I don't have internet ATM because of Frontier shenaniganry. I can mobile post so I'm still here but it'll be pretty stilted. Will address a18 hopefully tonight on my PC.

Seemssomeone got speedhammered with no claim recently in mini2010, and that was town on town, so I've got good reason to be wary on it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Dude, I'm here, and I said I wanted to lynch him, chill out. I can just revote him after the claim or near deadline if he doesn't.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Let me get this straight, you're scumreading me for not wanting to see a hammer before claim, when my most recent completed game had exactly that?

Do you not see why that makes no sense?

[TehBrawlGuy]

yes, I want all the town credit for lynching someone who I've stated I'm null on and only on because I hate the other wagons. Clearly.

Also that was more in reply to GR saying nobody would speedhammer, tbh.

[TehBrawlGuy]

k
VOTE: wheme
dunn please intent

[TehBrawlGuy]

Coming back around to Andriod, I basically TR all of their content. The short, content-y posts, the early case on Lovebird, general tone, the later case on JJD, etc are all good. I feel like I can follow their line of thought, and that it's coming organically as Town.

Only thing I don't like is the total tunnel focus on JJD today, and that's a pretty small point considering I like their posts to JJD in a vacuum.

Probably the most telling to me is that they're still going on with a relatively low posting chill style D2 after almost getting the lynch D1. I feel like that's not the survival mindset of Scum. It's possible I'm misreading it and they're just that kind of low activity player regardless of alignment, but it definitely helps make them Town for me.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I saw the modpost in the preview and i was like, fuck it, post anyway

the last point still holds some water, I think, but obviously that makes it less important.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Where is scum here if any?
(Osuka (9) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176),

Almost50

(390), JarJarDrinks (535),

Performer

(623), TheRampage (681),

Hopkirk

(696), Kublai Khan (725))

in a game this large I would be shocked if there wasn't at least 1 scum on there

due to subbing and not seeing the case, the only one there have a decent read on is JJD.

from a purely VCA perspective, I would wager that if he's scum, the earlier voters before him are not or else it would be pretty scum-saturated. That leaves rampage or KK, if you want to assume there's 2 Scum on it

Are either of Rampage+JJD or KK+JJD believable scumpairs?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Probably the most telling to me is that they're still going on with a relatively low posting chill style D2 after almost getting the lynch D1. I feel like that's not the survival mindset of Scum. It's possible I'm misreading it and they're just that kind of low activity player regardless of alignment, but it definitely helps make them Town for me.

Having 29 posts in 3k posts game makes you think it's coming from own?
What do you think of A18 offering themselves as lynch and then retracting?

I don't think that's an accurate representation. They said that Town could do as they wished, and when the Town went elsewhere, they did too. That's not a retraction by a18, that's the offer not being taken by the town at large.

[TehBrawlGuy]

As for the posts, I think someone who was nearly run up on policy grounds and (iirc) got brought up today a bunch as a viable lynch would generally attempt to do more of anything to just not get lynched as a default. The replace out on inactivity grounds mostly invalidates that, but I still think they'd have done more early one when they were here if they were Scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

just intent so he claims instead of playing around

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm in full agreement that we should lynch regardless of the claim, but if he's got a night action, it's important to hear what he did with it, especially if it's investigative.

Pushing for a lynch pre-claim gives us absolutely nothing.

[TehBrawlGuy]

UNVOTE: wheme

This vote's coming back tonight but I'll give you a few hours time.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not. I'm 90% this is scum stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: wheme

[TehBrawlGuy]

So, you got your Doctor PM. You saw the Innocent Child announcement. You saw some mason claims and you didn't scratch your head at the idea that town is over-powered?

one strongman and suddenly it's not though

Yeah, protective + confirmable townies is bonkers in a vacuum, but it's really not hard to balance around (it's just swingy)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Not that I buy whemes claim, though, but let's not assume a real doctor or other strong roles is op.

[TehBrawlGuy]

except i didn't hammer, he's only at l-1

someone else needs to hammer

[TehBrawlGuy]

then you're just straight playing badly

you should /always/ give closing thoughts as town

[TehBrawlGuy]

Dunn, if you scumread me, why didn't you list it when Wheme asked who on your wagon you had a SR on? Or am I just a not-Wheme lynch?

[TehBrawlGuy]

What about JJD's push on the wheme lynch?

[TehBrawlGuy]

hello everyone. nice to join yall. If you have any questions for me and could direct me towards the content your talking about i'd be happy to answer.

agreed with PP, the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave
PP is claimed VT

I'll have a content-y post for you in a bit

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Can either of you explain why texcat? I don't recall her being a floated lynch before, and I haven't thought anything of her up to this point.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

we have a flipped Scum, and all we're going to do with that is just lynch someone off the wagon? if we think Scum are more likely to be off the wagon, there should be at least one off wagon where Wheme flip implicates them more

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

and the last is meta which I don't have on tex


There's nothing in her ISO that really pushes me either way, so I don't hate it, but she's only at slight scumlean for me

[TehBrawlGuy]

@thread:

what does Wheme scumflip do for your reads on other people?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

Why does JJD have to be scum in your scenario? JJD is good at mafia and that;s why he knew wheme was about to flip red.

It's not that you have to be Scum in that scenario, it's that you're more likely to be.

Town!JJD is pretty sure Wheme is Scum, and possibly thinks I might be Scum.
Scum!JJD knows Wheme is Scum, and knows I'm Town to set up on for the future.

This alone is far from damning evidence, but it's a brick in the wall of the case against you, most of which is far stronger than this point by itself anyway, especially Wheme's interactions.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Off the wagon, pushed for another lynch over Wheme that likely wouldn't go through, whole stuff around FL claiming Mason, weak participation overall which has been consistent with scum!text ime (half the posts of the mod).

we have a flipped Scum, and all we're going to do with that is just lynch someone off the wagon? if we think Scum are more likely to be off the wagon, there should be at least one off wagon where Wheme flip implicates them more

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

and the last is meta which I don't have on tex

There's nothing in her ISO that really pushes me either way, so I don't hate it, but she's only at slight scumlean for me

Scum is going to be both on the wagon and off the wagon the way it went down yesterday. Why focus on the wagon? They were obviously the more active ones and can be tackled later based on associations.

I pushed for Hopkirk to claim too, so that's not a good argument for JJD. Yes, JJD was also off the wagon D1, but had a stronger stance on a scum lynch D2 so I don't want to focus on it today. I don't rely solely on meta, but it helps where I'm at given everything else.

I'm not saying JJD is town. I said I don't want to focus there today, and I think scum off the wagon is better. I think that texcat is probably that.

I'm not advocating for focusing on the wagon or off the wagon. I'm advocating for focusing on Wheme's interactions with other players.

Why are you so against me pushing JJD? I'm pretty meh on texcat, but I don't really have a problem with you pushing her. The only other lynch I really like is Wave, both for the reasons I stated D2, and for Wave "thinking that this was Wheme's towngame" before swapping to Wheme later on after he got more heat. Given that Wavewagon went nowhere yesterday, and that Wave's on me now, I think pushing there would both be nonproductive and might quagmire into a 1v1. If you want me off JJD, give me another candidate I like.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm so behind in this but thanks for getting wheme lynched. He was one of the people I was scum reading since my day 1 catchup.

I have like 50-60 pages to catch up

skip to 10p before D2 ends and give us your thoughts from there to now

you can catch up on the rest later

[TehBrawlGuy]

how is that extreme bussing? wheme's at L-2 there and there's absolutely no counterwagon

unless JJD is incredibly bad he sees the writing on the wall there. I haven't played with him before to gauge skill level, but he's clearly better than awful.

[TehBrawlGuy]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but I'm not sure it's alignment indicative, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

[TehBrawlGuy]

jarjar was vote 6 according to the vc?

right, he voted wheme when his only wagon options were wheme or PP, and it would've been very sus for him to vote PP

he started pushing wheme hard once wheme got to L-2 and was the obvious lynch

do you not see why this raises my eyebrow?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG if you ignore context and thought jjd was scum jjd bussed H A R D. I'm a little weary of scum using the context of the situation and trying to point the "bus" towards JJD to avoid the scum members that actually did bus. Yes it was only 2 votes away. His push is more convincing than lets say.... lalendra's for example. It was probably the most convincing behind flavor and hopkirk tbh.

ignoring the context of the situation is an ignorant thing to do, though

the point that I'm making is that once Wheme is at L-2, and especially during/after his claim shenangiganry, he is the lynch regardless of anything JJD does. (barring some kind of miracle) If JJD just leaves the thread and does nothing, Wheme dies. JJD's push being hard or convincing or whatever is irrelevant because it doesn't actually change the outcome of anything.

Metaphorically, Wheme is on the ground, the bus is already going at his head full speed, and his arms are tied down. JJD pinning his ankles too is not particularly throwing Wheme under the bus.

[TehBrawlGuy]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

I'm still re-reading, but I'd likely remove Golden Robster from that list. Golden Robster was first to vote WhemeStar in the day and has pretty consistently had him as scum.

obviously I'm biased, but GR was in support of CFDing off Wheme onto men near EoD

i dont really give him townpoints for wheme lynch lol

[TehBrawlGuy]

no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

i shouldn't be though - I endorsed Wheme lynch over the other two wagons, and unvoted for purely policy reasons while plainly stating I still wanted Wheme dead. I was also probably the most mentioned candidate for a potential CFD off of Wheme.

you're coming at JJD from the opposite angle I am. I'm not looking at who was most or least likely to bus Wheme, coming at it from ???->Wheme. I'm saying that if you look at Wheme's own behavior foremost, looking for Wheme->??? the biggest associative is that Wheme was weakly bussing JJD. Going the other way from JJD->Wheme, it checks out that they'd be a scumpair, but I really care about the link from Wheme->JJD. There isn't any Wheme->Creature or Wheme->Lala link, unless you count Wheme's really early vote on Lala.

[TehBrawlGuy]

huh, idk why i didn't remember there being a wheme->creature link when there's such a large one. I guess it's because I was focused on the votes so much

yeah, OK, I can get on board with Creature being linked to Wheme

I still like JJD better, but I'm OK with Creature wagon now. I'd be willing to bet at least one of the two is Scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

i've yet to ISO wheme but I wanted to with a little feedback in mind on my first impressions.

in all fairness i think if hop and flavor were wrong about a main read it was you but i'm not sure they were.

You say JJD had no other option. The same could be said of your play for a player thats not willing to bus.

Thats all im getting at.

as for the votes off the wheme wagon after wheme was obviously going to be the lynch or at least picking up good steam, why do you think those happened? Dunn's is pretty noticeable.

I think you might misunderstand me here.
JJD had previously called Wheme scum and PP leantown, so when it came down to those wagons, he had no choice but to go Wheme to stay internally consistent.
I had recently subbed in, and never commented on either of those players before I voted Wheme, so if I were Scum, I could've done whatever I wanted without it contradicting my previous reads.

yes and i agree ignoring context is ignorant... to an extent.

let me ask you this, and i'll discuss jjd more with you but, what do you think of the players that decided not to take a stance on the matter at all and vote else where after jjd began to make this push?

like you said barring a miracle wheme is the lynch so what did others have to gain from moving their vote to places that were not wheme?

I would evaluate those players on a case-by-case basis. If they previously TR Wheme, then staying off makes sense as either alignment - either out of genuine conviction it was a ML, or to feign the same. I'd also view it as more likely to come from inexperienced Scum than experienced Scum, since bad/new players might not correctly read how doomed Wheme was. I'll go take a look at Dunn and see what I make of him.

[TehBrawlGuy]

huh, idk why i didn't remember there being a wheme->creature link when there's such a large one. I guess it's because I was focused on the votes so much

yeah, OK, I can get on board with Creature being linked to Wheme

I still like JJD better, but I'm OK with Creature wagon now. I'd be willing to bet at least one of the two is Scum.

Then throw a vote down, brother.

I still like JJD better

i'm not in a hurry to wagonswap, I just wanted to state that my prior stance of Creaturewagon being meh was no longer valid

[TehBrawlGuy]

The ones trying to topple the WhemeStar wagon at the point where it became a legit wagon and by-passed PenguinPower were: Gamma Emerald,

TehBrawlGuy

, Vaxkiller, and especially Creature.

Can we stop with this?

I never attempted to stop the wagon. I wanted his lynch to go through. I said this

repeatedly.

I attempted to stop him getting lynched before he could claim because that's objectively the correct policy decision.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The ones trying to topple the WhemeStar wagon at the point where it became a legit wagon and by-passed PenguinPower were: Gamma Emerald, TehBrawlGuy, Vaxkiller, and especially Creature.

Around and posting, but not joining the WhemeStar wagon: Dunnstral and (much lesser extent) texcat.

also of note is that dunn absolutely did attempt to topple wheme wagon, so why is he in the second group?

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

and referring to doing a CFD off wheme:

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

for the record (and because Tchill asked me), though, I think Dunn's town. There is a solid policy argument that lynching an unCCed doc is a bad idea, because you can lynch him later and his lynch is free if a real doc dies. Dunn's not a dumb guy, and Scum!Dunn would've seen me getting raked over the coals for my policy unvotes on Wheme and just avoided putting himself in the quagmire, but town!dunn cares more about not MLing a doctor with confirmed innos alive. I also like the tone in 3242, which feels genuine.

[TehBrawlGuy]

And I'd assume that there'd be at least a scum off the wagon and another near the end of it too.

nice I agree

mylon gets a pass d3

Hehe, I get a "Get out of lynch" card for today!

i mean if you're going to be completely useless and only show up when you get beetlejuiced we can absolutely reconsider that

[TehBrawlGuy]

how is that extreme bussing? wheme's at L-2 there and there's absolutely no counterwagon

unless JJD is incredibly bad he sees the writing on the wall there.

were you not around? It was like pulling teeth getting those 12 votes on wheme. The writing was most definately NOT on the wall.

I haven't played with him before to gauge skill level, but he's clearly better than awful.

I'm a fuggin mafia prodigy yo. Trust me, only an awful scum player would push a scumbuddy as hard as I pushed wheme.

You cant just say "hurr durr wifom" for everything that happens in a game of mafia. U might was well start using a RNG to pick scum at that point.

Pro-town play generally comes from town and anti-town play generally comes from scum. Don't convolute everything.

You know full well that I was. 10-11 of those votes weren't terribly hard to get, it was the very end that was prolonged, and that was partially because I helped prolong it.

From my experience, I don't typically see the elite players misusing the term WIFOM, so I don't really buy into your posturing.

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

i was pretty clearly referring to creature's general posting style and unhelpfulness towards the end of D2

[TehBrawlGuy]

The fact I tried to stop scum lynch (who apparently posted their reads when it was likely they were gonna get lynched anyway) isn't AI.

The way, the reasons and my motivations are AI.

Was I really trying to defend my buddy there or was I just town who thought I had a good reason to defend him?

Sorry, but the mafia game isn't about just lynching anyone who defended scum, otherwise town winrates would be stratospheric.

This is good post.

It doesn't make me TR you, but it's a good post.

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

Jumped onto the Wheme wagon late
Unvoted when he got to L-2
Was one of FL's main scumreads if Wheme flipped scum

Didn't finally re-vote until multiple people pressured him to do so

i understand that we're in a world where "alternative facts" are a thing, but let's look at what actually happened

i unvoted wheme for policy reasons, and said I would vote him again post-claim
people whined at me
i told them to go pound sand
eventually wheme claimed
i voted him again

you can't just claim that I was "pressured" into doing what I said I was going to do from the start lol

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Rest of the post

: Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

Is your vote here based only on assumption that Wheme was bussing?

Made some formatting adjustments to the post.
~Ircher

No, the flow of logic is basically this:

Scum usually bus at least one of their teammates in a game this large
▼
I should check if Wheme bussed anyone
▼
Upon checking, the only candidates for a Wheme bus are Vax and JJD. JJD makes more sense of the two, and makes a lot of sense.
▼
Let's look at from the other angle, Vax->Wheme and JJD->Wheme and see which makes more sense
▼
Vax->Wheme doesn't really make sense, but JJD->Wheme does
If JJD+Wheme makes sense both ways, JJD's probably Scum.

tl;dr I was looking that way under the assumption wheme was bussing, because I think that provides a useful lens. Once I looked that way, I found that regardless of what lens I used, JJD made sense as Scum

[TehBrawlGuy]

anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

[TehBrawlGuy]

Scum usually bus at least one of their teammates in a game this large

you have statistics on this? there's almost certainly scum on his wagon, but to say he definitely bussed a teammate is a completely nonsensical assumption

Standard games from two of my homesites were in the 20-25p range, so I've got a lot of familiarity with setups of this size.

I said usually, not definitely. I also literally just posted about why I think it holds up even under lenses besides "wheme probably bussed".

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think I could see TBG town. I want to read some of his other stuff some time.

i only have one completed game onsite within the last like, 2 years, and we were in it together, so that's not going to help you

some of the ongoings i'm in are close to finishing though so you can dive those soon(tm)


i don't SR Vax, but I also dont get TRing him for the claim. yeah, it's a bad claim if he's scum, because he gets shot, but it's also a bad claim if he's town, because he gets shot. it's just a bad claim.

[TehBrawlGuy]

also I would expect 5-6 scum in a 25p game tbh

there's less than 0 chance we have 3, and I'd be shocked if it was 4

[TehBrawlGuy]

Gamma, you appear to be caught up. Who's in your scumpool and why?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TehBrawlGuy is also on my scum list. His explanations of "the proper thing to do is blahblahblah" feels mechanical and overly rational. There's no... anticipation or anxiety to his posting.

lol, this is the most flattering way anyone's scumread me in a long time

You're pretty much correct on the last part, though. I thought Wheme was obviously scum after the claim hesitance, and I thought he was clearly the lynch, so why would I rush or stress about the inevitable?

Pine I'm null on, so whether or not I swing that way will depend on his replacement's posting

[TehBrawlGuy]

@Krazy

Here's the important information

the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest of D1-D2 is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave, and the late Performer, who was also Vengeful
PP is claimed VT

[TehBrawlGuy]

Hi guys, haven't read anything yet. Good job on the maf lynch. Don't expect a vote from me tonight.

How many mafia are we expecting with this many players? 6, with 5 still alive?

Yeah, either 6 or 5 total both seem plausible. I think we treat both the same way right now anyway.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't know that we as a thread do. For me at least, I like JJD more because I think Wheme attempted to bus JJD, than because of JJD bussing Wheme.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Correct, even though Ausuka is IC, Wave could be any alignment. He was actually my preferred lynch D2, but it didn't go anywhere, so I swapped to Wheme.

What puts Ank in your townpile?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I mean, is it that hard to believe? They're confirmed town, that doesn't mean they're right. You want people to just mindlessly sheep them?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look at the inverse as well. If we ML lala, we'll look at her wagon for scum. If that wagon is largely conftown or town looking players, what happens to any scum who joined to push the ML?

They get spotlighted and screwed.

[TehBrawlGuy]

no, not even close

it's pretty basic that townies are more concerned with scumhunting and scum are more concerned with survival

also, if we're asssuming lala is town, then obviously all the scum know she's a ML, but the townies who want to join her wagon would think she's going to flip red

[TehBrawlGuy]

that's the man from the "wine in front of me" scene of princess bride, where WIFOM gets its name from

he's saying that scum might do that specifically because it would give them towncred as a thing scum would be unlikely to do


imo, I don't think scum being lynched yesterday actually affects the rest oft the scumteam's willingness to bus very much. When you have a 3 man scumteam, yeah, losing one makes you reluctant to bus and leave it all in the hand of the last scum. When you have 5 or 6, a scummate getting MLed is pretty meh.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I have to go to school soon, so does anyone else have some "Lightning Round!" questions for me?

who's scum and who should we lynch today

[TehBrawlGuy]

I have to go to school soon, so does anyone else have some "Lightning Round!" questions for me?

who's scum and who should we lynch today

Dunn and Creature, and probably Dunn.

why

[TehBrawlGuy]

ugh i want to PL mylo for not doing /anything/ but after reading his meta I actually think this is town mylo

who can we CFD to?

[TehBrawlGuy]

it's frustrating that he's got such a lazy antitown way of playing the game, and 90% of the time I advocating for PLing those players because they're not a huge loss

i'm just pretty sure his role pm is town so this is the 10%

[TehBrawlGuy]

"i advocating"

this is what I get for playing mafia while watching TV

[TehBrawlGuy]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

where do you live that puts you in GMT-4? PR? brazil?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Brawl is Tex better than Dunn?

As a lynch? Yeah, infinitely. Dunn I've got a pretty solid townread on and Tex is leanscum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

where do you live that puts you in GMT-4? PR? brazil?

Brazil, but it's supposed to be -3.00

oh right I'm an hour off because my own timezone is observing DST

[TehBrawlGuy]

Hey, I can CFD texcat too.

though, lately I've been like "but damn, that player might be just pretty lynchbait"

and like a lot of players rn feel like lynchbait

LETS GOOOOOOOO

she cannot be more lynchbaity than mylo, though, you agree?

[TehBrawlGuy]

(what is 'CFD' again?)

i'm pretty sure it's not standard terminology, but it's Chinese Fire Drill

it means a big wagon swap near deadline

and you should do one onto tex

[TehBrawlGuy]

if we all swap tex becomes the leading wagon with momentum

CHOO CHOO

[TehBrawlGuy]

I have to go to school soon, so does anyone else have some "Lightning Round!" questions for me?

who's scum and who should we lynch today

Dunn and Creature, and probably Dunn.

why

His ISO is like terrible here. And I don't think it's his town meta either*

*From my own limited experience

Want answers to this btw

I think he's making stuff up

from us or from mylo?

[TehBrawlGuy]

though, lately I've been like "but damn, that player might be just pretty lynchbait"

and like a lot of players rn feel like lynchbait

ooh pick me pick me!

cast a vooooote

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't have any scumreads currently

why is your vote on scum

because voting scum is how i win

tbh the best way to see this is to go look at tex iso

the short version though:
she casts a lot of naked votes, shadecasts others for casting naked votes
of the votes she casts and directions she pushes, it's usually on the softest targets - today she expressed suspicion on wave/rob, but did nothing with it and then just sheeped mylowagon
most of her contribution is null points, townreads, etc that don't stick her neck out - there's actually very little town-motivated pushing anywhere

[TehBrawlGuy]

don't understand how we're letting these players away with soft defending wheme

and then letting them wagon the most lynchbaity players in the game aka the weak players

is this not what tex did?

[TehBrawlGuy]

is this not what tex did?

when did she soft defend wheme?

also is this question sarcasm because you're asking me for empirical validation about your argument?

in referring to potential CFDs off wheme:

What about Mylo?

also here:

The fact that Wheme, Lalendra, and Mylo are on PP also points towards PP town. They’re either scum joining on, or town that is being used a scum sheep votes for scum.

Wheme likely has the worst ISO in this game, to be honest. We had Wave, who I think is town, alongside the masons and Penguin being the only ones on the Wheme wagon initially when PP was picking up steam.

Have you looked at Mylo's ISO? Have you looked at ArcAngel's ISO (though it has improved somewhat with BrawlGuy's replace in)?

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

I have this sneaking suspicion that scum is controlling this game. Perhaps it's just my bad gut. The one advantage that town has over scum is numbers. And we give up that advantage when so many players are not playing.

Yesterday when we started consolidating wagons, it looked like it was going to be either Performer or Wavemode. And then it actually ended up being Performer and Android. And today, it looked like it was going to be Penguin and Robster, but now it's looking like Penguin and Wheme. Based on this alone, I'd say Wavemode and Robster are likely scum.

it's a legitimate question, imo she soft defended wheme and has been voting lynchbait players for most of the game

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't have any scumreads currently

why is your vote on scum

because voting scum is how i win

tbh the best way to see this is to go look at tex iso

the short version though:
she casts a lot of naked votes, shadecasts others for casting naked votes
of the votes she casts and directions she pushes, it's usually on the softest targets - today she expressed suspicion on wave/rob, but did nothing with it and then just sheeped mylowagon
most of her contribution is null points, townreads, etc that don't stick her neck out - there's actually very little town-motivated pushing anywhere

I skimmed texcat's ISO and I don't understand this case at all.

do you want to not skim it
or ask anything that i can clarify
or suggest other options

[TehBrawlGuy]

the fact that wheme flipped scum?

i'll give you that they make sense from worried town, but the posts also vibe from the perspective of a scummate who thinks wheme is potentially savable

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think Whemestar was heavily bussed from what I'm seeing so far, and Texcat being on a Mylo wagon for 1000 pages before the hammer doesn't fit that theory at all.

Do you like Wave, then? I would definitely be down to go that way.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Hmm. After Ankamius makes the observation that Lalendra might be town because the wagon is too town, both Creature and Vaxkiller jump to try to revive it.

are you starting to see why I'm really not liking Creature right now

how would you feel about creature wagon, then?

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: creature

[TehBrawlGuy]

Also curious if anybody TRs Dunn?

I do, yes.

also, fuck it, VOTE: gamma. i definitely tr lala's recent posts and while creature is still an acceptable lynch, I'm shifting more town there too

[TehBrawlGuy]

Also curious if anybody TRs Dunn?

I do, yes.

also, fuck it, VOTE: gamma. i definitely tr lala's recent posts and while creature is still an acceptable lynch, I'm shifting more town there too

more town where? on gamma wagon?

my read is shifting more towards town on creature. it's still way more towards scum than my read on lala though

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: texcat

Sajjwagon is fine, but I think texcat wagon is better odds.

[TehBrawlGuy]

being hardpushed by him is making it hard for me to get a non-biased or non-judgemental read on him

also this question is to @everybody as well

i think he's pretty variable - some of his points I've liked a lot, some have just been totally off. The way he's presented them has seemed pretty Town to me though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

no one is hammering before hopkirk gives final list.

btw, texcat hasn't posted yet, so although I don't think texcat would ninja a hammer, let's not l-1 scion kthxbai

if she's scum and sajj is town then absolutely she would

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

so if you didn't want another claim why'd you choose to try and lynch someone else (which may lead to another claim) instead of lynching the incredibly convenient (due to the fact we already had multiple players for the "doc" to protect), atrocious doc fake claim?

pp was already claimed vt lmao

[TehBrawlGuy]

Yes, I am still scum reading Mylo.

Looking at my wagon, I'm pretty sure either Krazy or Dunn is scum. I don't think both of them can be. I keep having my doubts about Creature, but I can't believe he's actually scum posting this much. I'm surprised by TBG. I thought he was more logical than to follow memes and cookies onto my wagon.

???

I was on your wagon yesterday. I started its big resurgence. But voting for you again is following the memes and cookies, and not, you know, simply revoting you?

VOTE: texcat

Sajjwagon is fine, but I think texcat wagon is better odds.

TBG, what makes you think my wagon is better odds? This seems like an awkward way to justify a vote.

did you miss the part where I cased you yesterday or something??

like it was a pretty low effort case but it was there

[TehBrawlGuy]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Also, how do you feel about Scion?

I think that the wagon in a vacuum has merit, but the people pushing it and the fact that it was running against Tex gives me a bad feeling. It's very similar to how I felt about Lala. I'd rather see a lynch elsewhere, although if it ends up being her v Dunn or someone else I TR, I at least don't

hate

her wagon.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Krazy, you realize I've followed you on exactly one vote this game, right? That was the deadline scramble on Gamma. I don't count Tex today because you followed

me

onto Tex D3, she was who I was on the majority of D3, and you happened to post here first today before I could re-vote her.

On another note, Dunnwagon is abysmal and he's Town. Probably one of my strongest TRs, actually.

Can you go over why this is town Dunn?

OTOH, him not wanting to lynch Wheme on policy grounds after seeing me get raked for unvoting Wheme on policy grounds is very indicative of town!dunn. If he's Scum, he can just kill Wheme or wait the phase out, but actively coming in to take fire defending Wheme is dumb. I liked the way he responded to me after I questioned his vote on me as well.

I've found myself agreeing with him a lot over the last few days too - his view of the gamestate mirrors mine fairly well and I feel like I can follow his progression.

umm okay but scum!dunn would know wheme is scum?

which is all the more reason scum!dunn would be aware how much flak he would take for the policy defense of his buddy wheme, no?

[TehBrawlGuy]

hiloninja13

byeloninja13

[TehBrawlGuy]

Invest in a Texcat wagon

I'm with you that's she's pretty scummy, but I think the town has spoken and doesn't want to lynch her

we should both probably move to greener pastures. suggestions?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Holy fuck, that is some savagery from the mod.

Well done.

[TehBrawlGuy]

yawn VOTE: Dunnstral

can we lynch this yet??

like anyone but dunn is good but I like this one

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ank you put Dunn below 50%?

Like just because there's scum on the wagon (there is) doesn't mean this isn't another bussing day.

Scum aren't going to want to bus in this chaotic of a gamestate, are you crazy?

*krazy

[TehBrawlGuy]

Have fun with your town lynch

[TehBrawlGuy]

D3 Mislynch

Lalendra (11) (HAMMER @ 4577) - PenguinPower (3678), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Tchill13 (4215), Vaxkiller (4220), Creature (4284), Ausuka (4286), Hopkirk (4339), Kublai Khan (4557), Skygazer (4564), Scioness Sajj (4577*)

D4 Mislynch

Dunnstral (10) (HAMMER @ 5104) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Gamma Emerald (4847), Skygazer (4973), Golden Robster (5019), Myloninja13 (5059), Wavemode (5071), Krazy (5104)


The subset of players on both mislynches is {Wavemode, JarJarDrinks,

PenguinPower

, Creature}. I think this is a pretty good place to start, and I'd prefer JJD or Wave. VOTE: JJD in particular has been pretty instrumental in our failed lynches. He even set up the awful Dunn lynch before Lala died.

Dunn is obviously next lynch after lala.

[TehBrawlGuy]

excuse me you left me out

ok you can be in my lynchpool too

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: vaxkiller

y

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: vaxkiller

y

good question.

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

that doesn't answer my question about what you see in vax

[TehBrawlGuy]

What did their votes look like day 3+4?

Scioness was the really strong counterwagon to Dunn, though, so if you think it was TvT, then she should be out.

I agree with your assessment that D3 and D4 look like primarily wagons on Town players, btw.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't believe Wave or JJD bussed so the door is open to a Kublah or scioness bus atm.

Why not? Do you not think them being on both the D3 and D4 mislynches reflects poorly on their odds of being Town?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't believe Wave or JJD bussed so the door is open to a Kublah or scioness bus atm.

Why not? Do you not think them being on both the D3 and D4 mislynches reflects poorly on their odds of being Town?

I mean sure but it's possible they're still town after that. I was a huge advocate of both lynches and was wrong both times.

Why don't you think they bussed?

Do we both agree that both the mislynches were scum-fueled?

[TehBrawlGuy]

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

nobody would hammer preclaim unless they wanted to be lynched tomorrow

and considering the claim... hmmm....

are you trying to implicate me or GR with this, I legit can't tell

[TehBrawlGuy]

UNVOTE: wheme

This vote's coming back tonight but I'll give you a few hours time.

This is also not town.


If we’re switching wagons after a claim, which no matter what the claim is, this goes.

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

he's lived long enough. Fos'd by a few but i don't believe his wagon has actually ever grown to a modest height.

you already voted me last page, did you really forget that fast lmao

[TehBrawlGuy]

im a little out of sorts atm lmao. Apologies.

lol no worries I just found it funny

[TehBrawlGuy]

I was pretty sure he was Scum

in this game

at that point, but he said he never did that, which implies he's similarly stubborn and useless as Town. That's why I made 3241.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't believe Wave or JJD bussed so the door is open to a Kublah or scioness bus atm.

Why not? Do you not think them being on both the D3 and D4 mislynches reflects poorly on their odds of being Town?

I mean sure but it's possible they're still town after that. I was a huge advocate of both lynches and was wrong both times.

Why don't you think they bussed?

Do we both agree that both the mislynches were scum-fueled?

Idk if they were scum fueled or not. they to the game is not the dunn or lalendra lynches.

it's the wheme lynch.

For the third time, why don't you think Wave or JJD bussed?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)
Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra

and im gonna ssume one scumis in each reads list.

that'd be: sajj and TBG.

why are you assuming this?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I dont think wave or JJD bussed because I TR them.

okay, why this, then?

[TehBrawlGuy]

why do you have such a hard time answering very basic questions about wave and JJD?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ehhh looking at the votes I think that's a perfect time for a bus from wave; there was very little pressure on wheme when wave placed his vote, PP had all the pressure still, and scum doesn't like to jump on mislynches towards the end. Like I'm not even seeing why he was town-reading PP when I ctrl-f through the iso.

want to vote wave, then?

who are your picks for most likely scum now that we're post dunn-flip

[TehBrawlGuy]

Tell me more about how reiterating my stated stance was bad

[TehBrawlGuy]

(big fos on TBG and less on ankamius)

it's more ok for ank to flip flop and act indignant when dunn got lynched

than it is for me to call him town for two weeks, note he's my strongest townread, attempt to start other wagons, and then quote ank's post

how does this logic work?

[TehBrawlGuy]

The thing I didn't like about JJD being scum was that Wheme was pushing JJD and JJD was also pushing Wheme. While two scum do tunnel each other sometimes to avoid committing to wagons that will flip scum, I feel like I would see that from JJD but I wouldn't see it from Wheme. I just don't see it when I look at his playstyle. I probably need to reread that section but I want to say JJD struck me as basically being locktown based on how Wheme was acting on him. While scum bus all the time, especially when the wagon won't be likely to develop, I feel like the way Wheme was pushing for JJD seemed more opportunistic and less like a soft bus. In a large normal with no existing scum flips that would slightly surprise me for the bus to be going both ways. Not impossible, just not likely.

Also, based on pure activity, if both GR and JJD are scum town is basically fucked. Between the two, I see it as way more likely that GR would be scum than JJD. I don't think either is the optimal lynch for today.

TBG, can you explain why you see the JJD/Wheme interactions as bussing?

The main thing I dislike about Wavemode being scum is that Dunn spent a lot of time defending the slot. I want to say Dunn had a pretty solid TR on Wave, at least in the early game. I need to reread what Dunn liked about Wavemode/disliked about the wagon on him though.

@Mylon, while you're here, can you answer a simple question. When you say "meta" what do you mean? Do you actually read other games that person has played in?

Sure, I can. First, though, do you agree that in a game this size, it's likely Wheme voted or pushed at least one other scummate once before he died?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG, can you explain why you see the JJD/Wheme interactions as bussing?

Sorry didn't add the @ and don't want this question lost in the shuffle

I appreciate that b/c it makes my life easier, but I caught it anyway

ty though

[TehBrawlGuy]

I pretty much agree with your assessment of Wheme. Take a look at this post I made at the start of D3.

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

We now know for certain that PP was Town, so any bus coming from Wheme would have to be Vax or JJD.

Vax bus doesn't make sense - as I say in the post, he was TRing Vax until then, and his vote tied Vax for the lead. It's too aggressive for Wheme, when he could play it safe and continue his TR of Vax.

JJD bus makes a ton of sense. He takes pressure

off

JJDWagon with his vote, but casts shade at JJD verbally (without actually doing anything) so he doesn't look weird for having backed up off his supposed scumread. I would call that a soft bus, wouldn't you? Put another way, if JJD was Town, why would Wheme drop him to 180 on Vax? He wouldn't - sticking on JJD would be the safer push.

[TehBrawlGuy]

tbg trying to stall while at the same time re-stating that he doesn't mind voting wheme (aka the bus)

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

fake "it's closer to deadline" and votes wheme while also off-handed comment about open counterwagons

Not "it's closer it deadline". The VC was posted right before I said that. Wheme had 7 votes, PP had 8. I meant the wagons were closer than I thought, which is why I tied them with my Wheme vote.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG gets to wear the sorting hat!

VOTE: Lalendra person

A50 is obv town here

I agree. this one is town too.

Unfortunate but would scum be so chum so early into d1? WIFOM tho.

We should get Texcat today.. they read on me make no sense.


VOTE: Textcate

Arcangel strikes me as kinda towny

i figured it out though it's ausuka

TBG early is noticing players that are not vanilla town, so he seems engaged.

He hadn't mentioned Mylo since his vote for him in 1947 - 470 posts earlier. Mylo dropped a vote there when asked for a vote and came up with some weak reasoning, didn't even really try to back it up. So, it looked like he was opportunistically throwing a vote on someone who had literally just said they wouldn't be around to defend themselves and using OMGUS and vague "I don't see any reason for them to be town so they must be scum" as an excuse.

this is perhaps a bit blunt, but is mylo a weak scum player? i actually view this as a towntell if he's not b/c I think Scum are generally a little bit more worried about appearance. this seems much more town-realizing-he's-not-voting with a dash of lazy

I like TBG's assessment of Mylo.

fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw

anyway, I agree with whoever said masons + fulltown neighborhood is unlikely, so I'm pretty OK lynching in that pool. FL's partner needs to claim.

Out of neighborhood + FL, who should I read up on? Can someone give me a breakdown of everything that's happened related to the hood/its players?

This is dumb and bad strategy and nukes my earlier townlean on the slot. That being said, my main question is--would scum be that greedy? Especially this early in the game? I know, wifom.

alright so I did some ISOs

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)
wave: scum
mylo: town
FL: lean town


I don't need FL's partner to claim, I'm sure enough in Wave lynch. Neighbor-meta aside, 99% of wave's contributions have been calling other players Town. Having lots of townreads and very few scumreads is a wonderful way to coast without taking heat or giving off associatives as Scum, and his tone also feels off.

VOTE: wave

plan to iso KK soon(tm) but I'm really happy with a wave lynch both mechanically and reads wise, so it's not a high priority for me.

TBG backs off mason claim necessity, which suggests maybe his earlier insistence was ruffles from settling into a game he hadn't got caught up on yet. Pressure on wave seems intuitive given the gamestate at this time.

standard timetravelling warning

There is zero chance there isn’t at least 2 scum in
PoV
JJD, Golden Rob, PP, Lalendra, Wave, Wheme, and I will power lynch my way through after the mason claim comes through.

Hint, I will not be going after JJD or Wave.

You're a mason, Wave's on your wagon which you want to lynch from, and Wave's the only non-conf town Neighbor left... and you won't vote him? How is he not obvscum from your PoV?

This is some more shitty reasoning but it could just be that he has no idea how to deal with an unproven claimed mason.

Slight town lean on PP himself, but Rampage is town and so I really dislike the wagon.
A18 is still obvtown

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way. Who outside of the 3 leading wagons could we go to? Obv. Wave is my preference, but I don't think that's going to gain legs.

This seems like town that has replaced in and isn't really settled in his reads willing to compromise. TBG could have pretty easily stayed off the wagon considering he was still playing catch up at this point.

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

What, no one ever hammers at an unexpected time while someone is at L-1! It's unthinkable!

This looks shitty in retrospect but seems pretty reasonable for a conservative town player going by the book.

just intent so he claims instead of playing around

Seems towny.

UNVOTE: wheme

This vote's coming back tonight but I'll give you a few hours time.

Looks shitty in retrospect but I almost want to say scum would not unvote their buddy twice while waiting for a claim. Wheme was far up the wagon and it would make more sense to assume there's a good chance he goes down. It looks shitty but strikes me as having more town-motivation than being indicative of what tchill calls "stalling." This isn't really stalling, this is not letting a happen before a claim is out. From TBG's perspective as town, if he has put an un-claimed TPR at L-1 and scum hammers before claim/results, he is fucked.

VOTE: wheme

Some more explanation here would have been dope. I mean he was lynching through a doctor claim and nothing?

Holy some1 has a brain

This reads like wheme trying to make TBG look shitty after his flip.

Can either of you explain why texcat? I don't recall her being a floated lynch before, and I haven't thought anything of her up to this point.

TBG did not read ArcAngel, his predecessor... I don't know what kind of tell that is but it's surprising. Actually this might be the scummiest thing TBG has said all game, in not even being aware of who his predecessor voted.

no i understand and would be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if you were not a huge suspect.

Like i said im worried scum would try to use the context of the situation to achieve a mislynch on jarjar.

why would creature or lalendra be less likely to bus than jarjar? That does take skill and effort, what jarjar did, as either alignment.

i shouldn't be though - I endorsed Wheme lynch over the other two wagons, and unvoted for purely policy reasons while plainly stating I still wanted Wheme dead. I was also probably the most mentioned candidate for a potential CFD off of Wheme.

you're coming at JJD from the opposite angle I am. I'm not looking at who was most or least likely to bus Wheme, coming at it from ???->Wheme. I'm saying that if you look at Wheme's own behavior foremost, looking for Wheme->??? the biggest associative is that Wheme was weakly bussing JJD. Going the other way from JJD->Wheme, it checks out that they'd be a scumpair, but I really care about the link from Wheme->JJD. There isn't any Wheme->Creature or Wheme->Lala link, unless you count Wheme's really early vote on Lala.

I don't fully understand why TBG prioritizes busses over off-the-wagon and I don't get why he wants to ignore texcat when his predecessor thought the slot was scummy.

huh, idk why i didn't remember there being a wheme->creature link when there's such a large one. I guess it's because I was focused on the votes so much

yeah, OK, I can get on board with Creature being linked to Wheme

I still like JJD better, but I'm OK with Creature wagon now. I'd be willing to bet at least one of the two is Scum.

I don't really get this.

anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

TBG did you just not read texcat before when you were defending him or wtf?

@Krazy

Here's the important information

the last 10-20 pages of D2 are the most cruical, the rest of D1-D2 is skippable

Hopkirk is confrmed masons with the late Flavor Leaf
Ausuka is confirmed IC, and neighbors with Wave, and the late Performer, who was also Vengeful
PP is claimed VT

Regardless of alignment this was a dope post and super helpful.

that's the man from the "wine in front of me" scene of princess bride, where WIFOM gets its name from

he's saying that scum might do that specifically because it would give them towncred as a thing scum would be unlikely to do

imo, I don't think scum being lynched yesterday actually affects the rest oft the scumteam's willingness to bus very much. When you have a 3 man scumteam, yeah, losing one makes you reluctant to bus and leave it all in the hand of the last scum. When you have 5 or 6, a scummate getting MLed is pretty meh.

TBG and I share the same reasoning on likely busses on day 3.

if we all swap tex becomes the leading wagon with momentum

CHOO CHOO

This is town.

CONCLUSION

TBG is

probably town

There are some questions:
why and when did your position on texcat change?
why did you not read your previous slot and forgot about his texcat votes?

Here is a premise you have to accept for TBG to be scum:

Having replaced in, TBG took a largely null position on himself and the town's credit that he was catching up and almost immediately hard bussed Wheme.

Is that a likely scenario?
[/quote]

me not wanting to being Wheme to L-1 makes even more sense in the context of one of my previous games,

[TehBrawlGuy]

god damn it I hit the wrong button

[TehBrawlGuy]

anyway, in response to Krazy

me not wanting to being Wheme to L-1 makes even more sense in the context of one of my previous games, mini 2010, which finished shortly before this started. Town got run up to L-1 and got speedhammered by another Town. I had literally

just

seen that happen. I mentioned it earlier, too, so I don't know why everyone keeps glossing over that fact to just go "TbG wAs STaLLiNG". There's just such a lack of contextual thinking here.

I don't recall ever defending Texcat or changing positions on her. At the time of early D3, I was still trying to do basic sorting of people - I had read the thread from when I /in'd to the present, and I had read the isos people told me to read, but neither of those had much on tex, so they were still null. I asked about her because I needed to decided if I wanted to read over that slot immediately, or continue pushing the reads I had and evaluate Tex over time or later.

You're correct, I didn't read my slot, so I didn't forget about his Tex vote, rather. I never knew about it. I think there's more value in having a fresh pair of eyes come in than anything else. Yeah, it gives me a known-town's perspective on the game, but first, the thread benefits more from having my own pure perspective instead of some weird amalgamation between both, and second, just because my slotmate was town, doesn't mean he was right, or even close. Look no further than this game, which has been full of shitty reads by our confirmed Town players, for proof of that.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think how and who wheme reacted with at the end of his lynch could be pretty useful info.

the lalendra and dunn lynches happened because of their interaction with the wheme lynch.

the wheme lynch is still the main prirority.

yes, and both of those were mislynches on town

do you not see why that makes this is a bad strategy?

[TehBrawlGuy]

if you want to lynch me for the same reasons you lynched them, you've clearly learned nothing from their flips. lol

[TehBrawlGuy]

oh also I should VOTE: wave since that has momentum and JJD doesn't

[TehBrawlGuy]

if you want to lynch me for the same reasons you lynched them, you've clearly learned nothing from their flips. lol

clearly not why i want to lynch you. I just added that.

I mean, it doesn't add a lot of credence to your case when your opinion of "valuable info" is something that caused us to mislynch two townies.

If your case on me was decent, you wouldn't need to add garbage to it to hammer the point home.

[TehBrawlGuy]

so you had lalendra and dunn lock town?

if anything their town flips tell us we don't know how scum interacted with that wagon. So you can't lock scum someone or town clear someone for it.

I'm your biggest scum read and you don't know where I stood on the last two lynches?

[TehBrawlGuy]

so you had lalendra and dunn lock town?

if anything their town flips tell us we don't know how scum interacted with that wagon. So you can't lock scum someone or town clear someone for it.

I'm your biggest scum read and you don't know where I stood on the last two lynches?

You'd rather discredit than answer. Cool.

Yeah, I would.

If you're not paying enough attention to know my reads on them despite me being your biggest scumread, and you can't open my iso and ctrl-f "dunn" or "lala", what am I going to gain from engaging with you? It's not my job to spoon feed you basic level content that you can get yourself.

Like, I think you're Town, but your reads and posts have been abysmal distractions. I want your shit to get shot down so those of us actually paying attention to the game can maybe solve it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

So 100% of your case on TBG is based on Wheme's actions? You are ignoring the actions of TBG's slot itself?

That's the same case TBG has on me.

You know that's horseshit.

I also don't like how much towncred you're trying to give yourself for how late you actually started pushing Wheme, and I really don't like you spearheading two consecutive mislynches.

Holy some1 has a brain

Also, Tchill, this comment is directed at TBG. Wheme draws attention to TBG unvoting him. That's scum avoiding commenting on his buddy?

no you are incorrect. He didn't unvote. The post was directed to Dunn unvoting him.

In fact if u reread those pages TBG had his vote on Wheme when he posted this:

What about JJD's push on the wheme lynch?

WTF is that?

I was trying to sort Dunn's logic and whether he was just trying to set up shade on me, or if he was Town and genuinely just looking for any non-Wheme lynch.

I correctly got a townread from his posts at the end of D2, so...

[TehBrawlGuy]

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

I’ll claim when there’s intent to hammer

this kind of post comes from Scum far more often than it does from Town. It just comes from Town >0% of the time, so good policy says don't lynch without intent

[TehBrawlGuy]

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.

oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

Why is everyone so bloodthirsty? Wheme dies in a few hours.

I've seen enough annoying stubborn town PRs that I'd rather wait a few hours for information than not.

I'm 90% this is scum

stalling for lulz, but that still leaves a chance it's not.

Learn some patience.

What made wheme go from a "tolerable" lynch to 90% scum?

it's in that post - his repeated attempts at stalling the claim despite obviously being our preferred lynch target

OK just so I have this right:


- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play?

I don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse, or what, but pushing Wheme after he massively scumtold is something anyone paying attention of either alignment should've done, because he was obviously Scum. Hell, your argument is the same thing with our names switched.

- TBG voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is a bus

- JJD voting for wheme and then pushing hard after the claim stall stuff is legit town play

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to. Also, looking at Wheme's behavior, him stalling both gave him more time to spotlight me for my policy decisions and you more time to showboat pushing him.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Like the only difference between our play is that while I was calling Wheme scum, I was also actively fighting against people trying to derail the wagon.

I didn't see you ONCE try to tell the people that were trying to lynch elsewhere that they should keep their vote on the guy who was 90% scum.

Really?

I said I thought he was Scum, said I wanted to seem him lynched multiple times, and asked Dunn to bring him to L-1 and someone else to hammer.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Well aside from the other obvious difference of me being on the wagon early and you kust attaching ur name to it when all the momentum had already built up.

Alright, this one is just straight fabrication.

We voted it

one page

apart, with only

one vote

between us. I literally voted him within hours of you doing the same.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The big difference is that I'm not touting Wheme lynch as a thing you should give me townpoints for, but you've been happy to.

THAT'S the big difference? You came out voting for me as your first post after the wheme lynch before I posted anything.

Try again.

Yes, let me grab the post:

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

Do you note how this post has nothing to do with your actions towards him D2, and everything to do with his actions towards you?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Wheme is dead to rights here, L-2 before TBG even votes btw.

No, and you and JJD need to get your fucking facts straight because I'm sick of correcting you on literally black and white matters of fact.

Wheme was at 7 votes, L-5, when I first voted him. PP was at 8 votes, and L-4 when that happen.

Gamma voted 300 posts later, after Wheme's awful stalling and claim.

[TehBrawlGuy]

you UNVOTED. you didn't want to lynch him for a majority of the time. Thats what that means.

...

busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme.

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

UNVOTE: wheme.

still want lynch

still want lynch

...

you ... need to get your fucking facts straight because I'm sick of correcting you on literally black and white matters of fact.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I unvoted him when he was at L-1, because he was at L-1.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Btw. "I'm fucking sick of" isn't the nicest way to show players they've got something wrong.

first off, the most deeply ironic thing is that you even manage to misquote me on the

same page

as my post

Secondly, I don't care. You had things factually incorrect yesterday, I told you to cut it out, you didn't. If me using harsh language is enough to snap you out of it, well, fucking good.

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: sajj

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

this is me voting the not-me wagon out of survivalism. I'm pretty donezo explaining shit.

I've had lynches I hate go through 2 days in a row, most of my content doesn't really get engaged with in the thread, and I feel like I'm wasting my breath at this point.

This Town wants to lynch me when I've been on the right side of literally every lynch since I replaced in, and right on PP being Town well before the Wheme lynch. Why? because "hurr durr tgb unvoted wheme", despite it objectively being the correct policy decision to do so and backed up by me seeing a speedhammer in Mini 2010. (and despite the fact that I was one of the counter-wagons to Wheme)

I even debated not unvoting because I knew it could look shady after he died, if he flipped Scum, but I was like, eh, not doing something because you're afraid of looking scummy is literally the #1 scum motivation, so it's better to do it. I assumed someone might not get that unvoting was correct policy, and FoS me for it, but I never assumed it would be the majority of the thread. Dunn had the read on me right, and he knew it was correct policy, so what did the thread do? Lynch him, because they couldn't grasp why

his own

choice was correct policy. It's asinine. I hope y'all learn not to auto-judge policy decisions like this anymore.

you'd think after two straight mislynches, people would realize they've been off-base this game, (and likely steered that way by mafia) but y'all are charging straight ahead with shockingly little re-evaluation, and I'm just done with it. I can't make you listen, and I can't make you pause to think critically. Maybe that's on me for not being strong enough of a leader, or eloquent enough in my explanations, but regardless, I've hit the point of frustration with the gamestate where I'm not willing to put in more effort right now.

[TehBrawlGuy]

VT

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Ank sorry but you missed it
Also this makes me not very pleased with JJD
hey tbg can you quote your JJD case again so I can comb through it real quick, there's some stuff I'm thinking I might see and if I do I'll probably go with you on that

here are the most important posts

I pretty much agree with your assessment of Wheme. Take a look at this post I made at the start of D3.

VOTE: JJD

I had my suspicions anyway, but Wheme ISO really nails it down for me. Wheme only ever votes for 4 people past the early voting chaos. Vax, PP, Flavor Leaf, and JJD.
FL is dead and Town, PP is very likely Town after yesterday. If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Vax he HARD townreads all of D1, until suddenly flipping on him, saying this:

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

The vote count at the time was this:

Day 2 VC #10

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206)
Andriod18 (3) - Pine (1936), JarJarDrinks (2192), Hopkirk (2197)
Texcat (2) - Wavemode (2044), ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (2171), Lalendra (2184)
PenguinPower (2) - Ausuka (1960), EspeciallyTheLies (1996)
Myloninja13 (2) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - Kublai Khan (1944)
Not Voting (6) - Vaxkiller, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj, Myloninja13, WhemeStar

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

Added activity rule #12: "Regardless of whether or not you actually post, you are expected to be reading the game to the best of your ability at all times. (In other words, do not state that you have not been reading the game.)"

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Voting JJD here establishes JJD as the lead wagon, with 4 votes, while voting Vax ties him with JJD and the rest at 3. This looks very much like Wheme!Scum not wanting to put a scumbuddy in peril - if he was setting up a mislynch on JJD, he could just vote JJD and nobody would really question it, since he'd been on JJD D1. It also doesn't make sense for him to flip on Vax if he's a scumbuddy, since he's been hard TRing Vax thus far.

In addition, he makes sure to mention several times just how much he thinks JJD is scum. (besides his votes on him)

Jar jar is a good vote for now

Man I want jar jar lynched but VOTE: Vax

JarJar is prob scum

It's an obvious, clumsy bus. It's even more damning when you realize JJD is the only bus that makes sense out of Wheme's votes. Wheme's actions show JJD is also Scum.

We now know for certain that PP was Town, so any bus coming from Wheme would have to be Vax or JJD.

Vax bus doesn't make sense - as I say in the post, he was TRing Vax until then, and his vote tied Vax for the lead. It's too aggressive for Wheme, when he could play it safe and continue his TR of Vax.

JJD bus makes a ton of sense. He takes pressure

off

JJDWagon with his vote, but casts shade at JJD verbally (without actually doing anything) so he doesn't look weird for having backed up off his supposed scumread. I would call that a soft bus, wouldn't you? Put another way, if JJD was Town, why would Wheme drop him to 180 on Vax? He wouldn't - sticking on JJD would be the safer push.

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

FL mason claim stuff also applies to JJD, who pushed for mason buddy Hopkirk to claim (I did too, but honestly we should both get scumpoints for that)

D3 Mislynch

Lalendra (11) (HAMMER @ 4577) - PenguinPower (3678), Wavemode (3716), JarJarDrinks (3721), Tchill13 (4215), Vaxkiller (4220), Creature (4284), Ausuka (4286), Hopkirk (4339), Kublai Khan (4557), Skygazer (4564), Scioness Sajj (4577*)

D4 Mislynch

Dunnstral (10) (HAMMER @ 5104) - JarJarDrinks (4815), Creature (4817), PenguinPower (4819), Texcat (4829), Gamma Emerald (4847), Skygazer (4973), Golden Robster (5019), Myloninja13 (5059), Wavemode (5071), Krazy (5104)


The subset of players on both mislynches is {Wavemode, JarJarDrinks,

PenguinPower

, Creature}. I think this is a pretty good place to start, and I'd prefer JJD or Wave. VOTE: JJD in particular has been pretty instrumental in our failed lynches. He even set up the awful Dunn lynch before Lala died.

Dunn is obviously next lynch after lala.

[TehBrawlGuy]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

[TehBrawlGuy]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

@TBG, if u are town then think for a second:

Why as scum would I unvote ... at L-1?

there's something poetic about you asking me this



But honestly, if Sajj and I are both Town, I think you probably feel like it doesn't matter who goes down, and getting both claims is good for you. We have essentially no strong Night PRs outed so, I could absolutely see that coming from a bold Scum player, which is pretty much exactly what I peg you as. Based on Wheme's universal backup flip, Scum clearly have multiple PRs, so I'd wager Town has at least a few left hidden. If one of those Scum PRs is Rolecop, forcing a claim is actually huge, because your pool of candidates for PRs must be very small.

[TehBrawlGuy]

huh, I swore I remembered you giving me crap for it, but sure enough, I checked your iso and you're right, you said the same thing then

[TehBrawlGuy]

so TBG do you have any points on JJD relating to his actual play, rather than the supposition that wheme bussed?

all you said in 3466 was that you "had your suspicions"

like what?

did you skim my last post or something? 3 of the 4 posts I quoted in it were about JJD's play specifically. Beyond even that, he's attempted to milk the Wheme lynch for towncred

really hard

, which does ping me, but not that much because JJD's got an ego.

otoh I don't remember why I was scumreading him like, 3 weeks ago - I remember being told to read his ISO and not liking it. If you wanted to know, you probably should've asked me then instead of chainsawing me two posts later:

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

welcome, tyrion

even if I did, I don't think me pulling quotes from D1/early D2 is going to be particularly useful

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't like how they voted each other then both moved of at basically the same time. Though Scion voted TBG after he voted her, then unvoted him after he unvoted her.

to be fair, look at it from my eyes

my choices are sajjwagon, which may save my life, or vanities - i kinda have to pick sajjwagon
then
gamma expresses interest in JJD, I post my JJD case, gamma votes JJD - who do you think I'd rather be on, the guy I've been pushing for 3 days, or the lady I'm on literally just to save my own hide?

I do agree that the Sajj shift is weird, but I don't know why Sajj does that if she's Scum, when she can just stay parked on me.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look at JJD iso and
1. tell me when he started scumreading tbg

this is also a pretty good read of texcat iso

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look at JJD iso and
1. tell me when he started scumreading tbg
2. tell me why he waited for tbg's claim before voting for me
+ what reason does town jjd have to get claims in the open like that

1. Today-ish. His reads are just so bad.
2. I already did. Information.
+ I like getting scummy players to claim cuz it helps me read them

Man, this is some classic MS groupthink. My reads are bad, because they go against the generally accepted townpool.

Meanwhile, in reality, I've been right on literally every flip since I replaced in, and you've been off mislynching townies.

For some reason, I don't put a lot of stock in what you feel is bad.

[TehBrawlGuy]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

I’ll claim when there’s intent to hammer

this kind of post comes from Scum far more often than it does from Town.

So how bad does this post ping you?

lol

not claiming before intent

So I guess we have to assume that TBG must have just missed that post from SS and he's gonna firmly plant his vote there whenever he shows up.

After all what other reason would TBG have to ignore something scummy that SS said?

I don't like that post by Sajj, no. One bad post is not enough to overcome my scumread on you, and that shouldn't be surprising.

Also, context does matter. That kind of post is usually from Scum, but sometimes from PRs. D5, with one Scum dead, no PRs outed, her chances of being a PR are way higher than Wheme's were.

[TehBrawlGuy]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

Wouldn't it be awful to run up sajj if he was a PR also?

???

getting the person you don't intend to lynch to claim is bad.

also sajj is still a she. it's literally in her name, scionESS, and it's right there under her avatar too. i don't really get how everyone keeps missing that

[TehBrawlGuy]

Beyond even that, he's attempted to milk the Wheme lynch for towncred really hard, which does ping me, but not that much because JJD's got an ego.

K PLEASE just be scum in this game and not genuinely this dense

u dont get to attack someone ON THE BASIS OF THE WHEME LYNCH and then when he defends himself go "look hes trying to milk towncred from the wheme lynch"

replace "dense" with "rude and incredibly condescending" and this is basically how I feel about you tbh

if you genuinely want to engage with me, don't be an ass and we can maybe talk

[TehBrawlGuy]

then why didn't you swap to Sajj then? You stayed on me and forced my claim, which could've been awful if I were a PR.

VOTE: jjd

Wouldn't it be awful to run up sajj if he was a PR also?

this whole talk you've got your quote from was about JJD unvoting TBG

ONE MINUTE

after TBG claimed, even though JJD said he was already scumreading me more before TBG's claim. JJD got TBG's claim and immediately moved to me to get another claim.

I'm saying that's bad logic on TBGs part. Something said specifically for him but fits for everyone else also.

it's not specifically for me, it's specifically for everyone who isn't Sajj, because that's who JJD's preferred lynch is.

if JJD's preferred lynch was me, then forcing Sajj's claim would be bad under the same logic, but JJD's preferred lynch is not me.

do you get it?

[TehBrawlGuy]

getting the person you don't intend to lynch to claim is bad.

nah not always.

not always, no, but generally speaking

in this particular instance where unclaimed townies are particularly likely to be PRs, it's pretty bad

[TehBrawlGuy]

i love that after spearheading the mislynch of two consecutive townies, there's not a thought in your mind that you might perhaps be wrong

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: JarJar

No way you can justifiably vote jjd over TBG.

god it's been a long time since I was deathtunneled this hard as town

it's still as obnoxious as I remember, though

[TehBrawlGuy]

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy

i thought you wanted sajj?

I do prefer sajj.

then maybe keep your vote there until closer to deadline? we have a day left

[TehBrawlGuy]

Yeah must be just as irritated being tunneled as scum. Sajj is a fine lynch too

but it seems you'd like jjd now that that wagon has popped up.

[/b]

dude

like JJD "now"? did you forget i've been pushing him for THREE DAYS?

for real, when I die and I flip Town so you know I'm not bullshitting you, please start taking notes or something in your mafia games. there's not really a way to say this without being rude, and I apologize for that, but seriously, if you can't keep all the information in your head, you need to start putting it down somewhere

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG why did you vote sajj at any point then?

read my posts

VOTE: sajj

is this forced? or can you expand on why SS is scum?

this is me voting the not-me wagon out of survivalism.

Ank I'm pretty torn on the inside but I'd rather double down than let up.

That's what's up with me.

sunk cost fallacy ahoy

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm in full agreement that we should lynch regardless of the claim,

but if he's got a night action, it's important to hear what he did with it

, especially if it's investigative.

Pushing for a lynch pre-claim gives us absolutely nothing.

this was pre-claim as if he knew wheme was going to claim PR and a PR with night action at that

assume, for a second, you are wheme!scum, and walk into town!tbg having made that post. what do you do?

the correct answer is "you immediately claim TPR" because it makes me look sketchy af

look at my interactions with wheme under the lens that scum!wheme is setting up me!town, and tell me it doesn't make perfect sense? or tell me that he doesn't do

everything

in his power to make me look bad when he flips scum? it's so patently a frame attempt of him setting up my mislynch after he goes down.

[TehBrawlGuy]

It was absolutely right for Dunn and TBG to BOTH be saying to wait for Wheme to either claim while there was still plenty of time in the day cycle. Dunn was town and TBG is town.

this is an underrated point. literally, the progression of the thread has been:


"Dunn stalled the Wheme wagon on policy grounds, but Wheme was Scum! Dunn must've stalled because he's scum too!"
*Dunn is lynched*
*Dunn flips town*

"TBG stalled the Wheme wagon on policy grounds, but Wheme was Scum! TBG must've stalled because he's scum too!"
(and in like 12 hours)
*TBG is lynched*
*TBG flips town*


I keep seeing arguments of the form "TBG did _______ because he's Scum", that also apply or were used against (flipped Town) Dunn. There is clearly a protown reason for my actions - we know because those were also the actions of a dead town player. Yet for some reason, despite Dunn lynch being a failure, the thread is totally content to use the same arguments against me in the hopes of a different outcome. Why has nobody reevaluated their read on me after Dunn's flip?

[TehBrawlGuy]

the obvious difference between me and that guy is that bvoight had previously expressed suspicion of winger multiple times and been voting him - it would have been weird for him to 180
i had newly replaced in and could've made literally any stance on Wheme up b/c I'd never talked about him before

[TehBrawlGuy]

it's so weird to me that people simultaneously believe that:

I was aggressive enough to bus wheme when I could've made up any read on him I wanted, and my own slot was null.
but suddenly the next morning my balls just shriveled off and I decided to unvote and revote him twice at L-1 while publicly advocating for people to wait for his claim

[TehBrawlGuy]

ngl as happy as I am to have jjd at l-3, Tex would be a good cfd

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm here and available to wagon not me players if we want that

Try tex? VOTE: tex.

[TehBrawlGuy]

tomorrow you need to lynch in JJD/Wave/tex if you lynch me

[TehBrawlGuy]

you alla can talk shit about my reads all you want but the fact is I've been correct on every flip since I joined

Once I'm conftown y'all need to read my iso again, ok?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG is scum that WANTS to survive and is being SURVIVALISTIC

No shit, dude, I said that explicitly. That's not some kind of revelation.

If I just voteparked Wave all phase you'd all complain after my lynch that I was on a vanity and didn't do shit to stop my own mislynch.

[TehBrawlGuy]

you also missed the convenient part out

if you flip red

if you are basing my scummines on that one post. i do really not gain anything from suggesting what i did. if i flip red then my only good reason to suggest what i did would be to protect tbg
and by posting that i would make not only make myself lynched but also him so
i'm losing two scum for one push on texcat

.
idk it's not a bad play if you and tex are both red =. tex red flip makes me look really good, your red flip a lot less so

plus scum clearly have multiple PRs, so if tex has a stronger role you really want to use tonight it's sensible

makes basically no sense if you're the only one of us three that's scum though

VOTE: sajj
if this is red we gotta lynch in me/tex tomorrow imo

[TehBrawlGuy]

l-2 btw, nobody put this to l-1 before a claim

dont make me do what I did with wheme again please

[TehBrawlGuy]

you also missed the convenient part out

if you flip red

if you are basing my scummines on that one post. i do really not gain anything from suggesting what i did. if i flip red then my only good reason to suggest what i did would be to protect tbg
and by posting that i would make not only make myself lynched but also him so
i'm losing two scum for one push on texcat

.
idk it's not a bad play if you and tex are both red =. tex red flip makes me look really good, your red flip a lot less so

plus scum clearly have multiple PRs, so if tex has a stronger role you really want to use tonight it's sensible

makes basically no sense if you're the only one of us three that's scum though

VOTE: sajj
if this is red we gotta lynch in me/tex tomorrow imo

so you are saying i was the one that wanted the tex wagon to happen and i put tex and l-2 and then 'tried to convince' RG to vote tex so it could move attention from her to me, and we could get me lynched instead of tex??? im lost

you said yourself you thought I was dead and nothing was going to happen - hell, I thought I was dead too

it kind of makes sense for you to have been bussing tex for towncred assuming nothing was going to work. once I started her wagon, you didn't vote tex to give it momentum until she was at l-3 even though you were present

you taking the heat afterwards is weird as fuck, but honestly that whole series of wagon shifts is bizarre, so something weird happening does fit

tbh I'd still rather lynch tex first but i don't think that's gonna happen anymore

[TehBrawlGuy]

idk if i have been kept alive becuase my reads are bad or i'm just that scummy though. so you will have to figure it out yourself.

this is very self-righteous
what makes you think you'd get killed over the others?

by killed i mean eating the rope
i wouldn't get nked, it never happens

So you're saying that you think there's a chance that you havent been lynched becuase of how scummy you are and how bad your reads are?

So like, the scummier someone is, the less likely they are to be lynched?

in this game?

yeah kinda

[TehBrawlGuy]

eh

VOTE: tex

it's just more likely to me

i can some back to sajj if we need my vote to secure lynch

[TehBrawlGuy]

i will say that sorting which of sajj/tex is scum is the least confident I have been in a read all game, so significant chance I'm whiffing it here. Very confident it's one of the two, though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

you also missed the convenient part out

if you flip red

if you are basing my scummines on that one post. i do really not gain anything from suggesting what i did. if i flip red then my only good reason to suggest what i did would be to protect tbg
and by posting that i would make not only make myself lynched but also him so
i'm losing two scum for one push on texcat

.
idk it's not a bad play if you and tex are both red =. tex red flip makes me look really good, your red flip a lot less so

plus scum clearly have multiple PRs, so if tex has a stronger role you really want to use tonight it's sensible

makes basically no sense if you're the only one of us three that's scum though

VOTE: sajj
if this is red we gotta lynch in me/tex tomorrow imo

so you are saying i was the one that wanted the tex wagon to happen and i put tex and l-2 and then 'tried to convince' RG to vote tex so it could move attention from her to me, and we could get me lynched instead of tex??? im lost

you said yourself you thought I was dead and nothing was going to happen - hell, I thought I was dead too

it kind of makes sense for you to have been bussing tex for towncred assuming nothing was going to work. once I started her wagon, you didn't vote tex to give it momentum until she was at l-3 even though you were present

you taking the heat afterwards is weird as fuck, but honestly that whole series of wagon shifts is bizarre, so something weird happening does fit

tbh I'd still rather lynch tex first but i don't think that's gonna happen anymore

dude you know how many times i have been told this game that X wagon is bad becasue my vote was on it?
it's only as many times i can ignore it. then i can get resentful about it which i did and then i can joke about it which i was
like look in my iso if there was anybody i really tried to get lynched it has been tex, do you think i would keep bringing her up liek that thorughout the game if i didnt really want to get her lycnhed

uh, yes? you know besides you that I've been the other big recipient of "YOUR READS ARE WRONG AND BAD" from the mislynch hivemind (still funny). the parallels between us is a big part of why I prefer tex lynch over yours

that said, you being ignored would give you literally the perfect opportunity to bus b/c you know it's not going to catch

[TehBrawlGuy]

if tex was scum she would 100% be making more of an effort to appear town right now; her last post was awful

the fact that she doesn't look like she gives a shit means that she's either pro scum (which I 100% doubt) or town that doesn't care (which I believe right now)

GR THIS IS CRITICAL MOMENT

ARE YOU TOWN?

OR IS U HER BUDDY?

NOTHING YOU JUST WROTE IN THIS POST IS RECONCILABLE WITH ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE SAID THIS GAME FAM

LOOK AT THE WORDS

SCION IS SCUM CAUSE SURVIVALISTIC BUT HARD LURK TEXCAT IS TOWN BECAUSE SURVIVASLISTIC

WHAT THE FUCK

^^^

i was pretty sure GR was town because he was so aggressively wrong but this post makes me reconsider

[TehBrawlGuy]

I guess I now understand why large games on MS are too scumsided: lack of plurality lynches.

(i actually think it's because MS has a culture of heavy replacement, which benefits scum, and that issue is significantly more pronounced in larges

also shitty hiveminding behind bad players who post with bravado)

[TehBrawlGuy]

HARD LURKING IS MORE SURVIVALISTIC THAN VOTING

DO YOU NOT LARGE GAME?

no man I didn't martyr hammer myself at L-1 and voted for the only other counterwagon to my own

don't you see how that clearly and obviously makes me scum????